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#1 ·
Well my G8 GT has been having quite the hissy fit this past month. Hours after getting the car back from a warrantied engine rebuild; the alternator warning light pops on and Engineering Mode read 11.5-11.7V. I'm still not convinced this didn't occur during the engine rebuild however the dealer was looking to charge me ~$1000 to have it done. I used a connection at a dealer to get an alternator for ~$300 and decided to install it myself as I've been involved in much more difficult repairs. The following will describe the GM procedure and where I deviated from it to be the most efficient. I've highlighted in red the parts of the procedure I either didn't do, or changed.

The job took ~2h in the freezing cold, If I were to do it again I'd say it could be done in an hour.


GM part numbers that work are as follows:
92191127 - 100A GT alternator with the decoupler
92193199 - 100A GXP alternator without the decoupler (I've been told this works just as well and I wanted to use it, however I could only get the GT one on short notice)


  1. Disconnect the battery negative cable. Refer to Battery Negative Cable Disconnection and Connection.
  2. Remove the engine cover. Refer to Engine Cover Replacement.
  3. Remove air filter assembly. Refer to Air Cleaner Assembly Replacement.
  4. Remove the induction tube from throttle body. Refer to Air Cleaner Inlet Duct Replacement.
  5. Remove the mass air flow (MAF) sensor. Refer to Mass Airflow Sensor with Intake Air Temperature Sensor Replacement.
  6. Remove the drive belt. Refer to Drive Belt Replacement - Accessory.
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  7. Remove the power steering pump to power steering hose banjo bolt (1). Note: Bolts with micro-encapsulated thread sealant must be discarded after removal.
  8. Remove the power steering pump to power steering pump bracket retaining bolts (2).
    • Discard the bolts.
    • Place the power steering pump to allow access to the alternator.
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  9. Remove the alternator battery positive cable nut (1) from the alternator.
  10. Remove the alternator battery positive cable (2) from the alternator stud. Note: Press the retainer tabs to remove electrical connector.
  11. Remove the electrical connector (3) from the alternator.
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  12. Remove the alternator retaining bolts (1, 2).
  13. Remove the alternator (3) from the vehicle.
I personally raised the front left of the car and removed the wheel to access the nut that holds the electrical cable to the alternator easier but it is reachable from above. It is a 12mm nut.

Everything else was 15mm bolts on this job.

Now I found that the best way to pull it out was to unbolt the power steering pump bracket, leaving the hoses attached, and simply moving it off to the side when needed. You may be able to simply remove the power steering pump bolts from the bracket and shift it out of the way but I just unbolted the whole bracket.

The key step that the book does not get into is the fact that the alternator bracket has bushings which close the tolerance to the alternator when the mounting bolts are torqued. You may find that the old alternator is stubborn and wont come out even with all the bolts removed. Take a strong flat-head or a pry-bar and gently pry between the bracket and alternator to break the hold.

Once the alternator is loose, you will find it much easier to remove from the car if you remove the alternator bracket. It's very simple, just remove the 15mm bolt from the idler pulley (keep all the pulley components together as you remove the bolt, this way you don't waste time trying to remember which way each spacer was facing), then there's a single 15mm bolt holding the bracket to the engine block. With the bracket removed you'll be able to snake the old alternator out pretty easily (be careful of the rear of the alternator, there's a sharp piece there and you don't want to cut your hands or any hoses as you remove it).

Now, with the bracket removed from the car you will see the bushings I mentioned in the two bores that the alternator mounting bolts go through. You'll also see that they protrude into the space where the alternator fits. This makes it a pain to try installing the alternator in the car so what we will do is push those bushings the other way so they stick out on the outside of the bracket. I took a short flanged bolt and inserted it into the bushing from the inside of the bracket, then I took a metal rod (1/4" extension actually) which fit through the other hole in the bracket and I hammered at the bolt until the bushing was flush with the inside face.

Now you can insert the alternator in before you re-install the bracket. Just get it down into the engine bay while you have the extra room. Then install the bracket loose so you have a little extra wiggle room when installing the alternator. I inserted the lower bolt first which allowed me to rotate the alternator up and install the upper bolt. The rear bolt on the alternator is the short one, it basically self aligns with the bracket already attached to the engine so it's pretty straightforward, though don't forget that there's a wiring harness clip that bolts up at this point too. The final alternator connection is the power cable which is the one held on by the 12mm nut.

Once you're at that point it's just a matter of snugging up all the bolts on the alternator, re-bolting the power steering pump bracket, and installing the idler pulley.

Don't forget some obvious things like re-attaching the air cleaner, connecting any sensors that needed disconnecting, re-installing the serpentine belt properly etc.


Hope this helps some people and if anyone has any questions, feel free to ask.
 
#3 ·
You can use the higher output PPV alternator also FYI.
92258220 - 170a
-Greg
 
#4 ·
Why would one want to use a higher amp alternator unless you plan on using a hi amp draw source like extra stereo amps or other?? Reason I ask is it also takes power to drive additional amps though it may be minimal .powers power, and we want all we can get/keep.BTW thanks for the detailed experience as it gives me is the confidence and preparation needed to get it done.
 
#5 ·
Glad I can help!

No need to go higher amp unless you plan on adding additional loads as you've mentioned. Though if you are in a rush and need an alternator having options help.

Though I will note that the mechanical power required to drive the alternator is based on the electrical load drawn from it. Therefore 2 G8s with identical electrical components but one with a 100A alternator, one with 170A alternator, the engine power will be unaffected.
 
#15 ·
Thanks for this write up, Swift. I used it tonight when I R&R’d my alternator. I had an intermittent issue of the Alternator Light coming on, and going off. Engineering Mode would show voltage drop from 14.0+/- down to 11.9-11.8 after a 5 minute warm up. FYI the Alternator Light trips at 12.2 volts in my MY09.1

Everything was easily done using this as a guide, but completely from the top for me with hand tools. I used:
stubby ratchet (tighter spaces)
standard ratchet
extended ratchet with flex head
misc extensions
15mm wrench & short sockets
12mm wrench (alt. terminal nut)
bench vise & small pry bar

I’ve added notes in bold and photos from my job for anyone unsure how involved this is, it took me 45 minutes in my garage thanks to this write up.

Now I found that the best way to pull it out was to unbolt the power steering pump bracket, leaving the hoses attached, and simply moving it off to the side when needed. You may be able to simply remove the power steering pump bolts from the bracket and shift it out of the way but I just unbolted the whole bracket.
(2) 15mm Bolts from front of bracket

(1) 15mm Bolt from side


Pop out Reservoir

Put to side where airbox was


The key step that the book does not get into is the fact that the alternator bracket has bushings which close the tolerance to the alternator when the mounting bolts are torqued. You may find that the old alternator is stubborn and wont come out even with all the bolts removed. Take a strong flat-head or a pry-bar and gently pry between the bracket and alternator to break the hold.

Once the alternator is loose, you will find it much easier to remove from the car if you remove the alternator bracket. It's very simple, just remove the 15mm bolt from the idler pulley (keep all the pulley components together as you remove the bolt, this way you don't waste time trying to remember which way each spacer was facing), then there's a single 15mm bolt holding the bracket to the engine block. With the bracket removed you'll be able to snake the old alternator out pretty easily (be careful of the rear of the alternator, there's a sharp piece there and you don't want to cut your hands or any hoses as you remove it).

Shows idler pulley already removed, there are three 15mm bolts on the front


Now, with the bracket removed from the car you will see the bushings I mentioned in the two bores that the alternator mounting bolts go through. You'll also see that they protrude into the space where the alternator fits. This makes it a pain to try installing the alternator in the car so what we will do is push those bushings the other way so they stick out on the outside of the bracket. I took a short flanged bolt and inserted it into the bushing from the inside of the bracket, then I took a metal rod (1/4" extension actually) which fit through the other hole in the bracket and I hammered at the bolt until the bushing was flush with the inside face.
Alternator in bracket, as removed



Used Bench Vise to pop alternator out of bracket, the bushings do need to be pushed to allow the new alternator to be installed in the bracket. Photo after bushings pushed out


Now you can insert the alternator in before you re-install the bracket. Just get it down into the engine bay while you have the extra room. Then install the bracket loose so you have a little extra wiggle room when installing the alternator. I inserted the lower bolt first which allowed me to rotate the alternator up and install the upper bolt. The rear bolt on the alternator is the short one, it basically self aligns with the bracket already attached to the engine so it's pretty straightforward, though don't forget that there's a wiring harness clip that bolts up at this point too. The final alternator connection is the power cable which is the one held on by the 12mm nut.

Once you're at that point it's just a matter of snugging up all the bolts on the alternator, re-bolting the power steering pump bracket, and installing the idler pulley.
I installed the bracket first, followed by attaching the alternator terminal, then inserted the alternator.


Don't forget some obvious things like re-attaching the air cleaner, connecting any sensors that needed disconnecting, re-installing the serpentine belt properly etc.
Belt Routing Reference


Hope this helps some people and if anyone has any questions, feel free to ask.
This write up was very helpful, thanks for taking the time Swift!
 
#16 ·
I also want to add that I used the PN Greg suggested for the PPV alternator, since it was all I could come up with. I paid just under $300 for it with shipping, and the core was surprisingly worth just $50.

I took photos of the PPV 170 Amp alternator next to my OE 100 Amp unit since I couldn’t find one when I searched.

GM Part Number - 92258220 – 170A Caprice 6.0L PPV Alternator
(This is the Remy #20015)








 
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#18 ·
My alternator warning light came on briefly this morning when I fired up the car. It only stayed on for about 45 seconds at most then went off. I'm really dreading changing this bitch out! Every time I change my oil I think to myself, "I REALLY hope I don't have to replace that alternator because it looks like they put it in a bitch of a location!"

I've replaced alternators on past vehicles and they have all been easy, on top of the motor type jobs. I really appreciate the detail you guys provided on this writeup! Really really good info. I'm really not very mechanically handy, so I need every bit of info I can get.

Will provide some feedback after I do the job to let you know how an amateur handles the job.
 
#19 ·
Good info here. I'm sure I will have to do this some day. 82K on the car now.
 
#20 ·
Greant info ... thx

Mine just bit the big one last night
 
#21 ·
So this thread is awesome!!!! I replaced my alternator today on my GXP. Everything went well except one thing. The plastic wheel mounted on the alternator bracket. When I removed it to get a the bolt behind it. I was unsure of the direction of the ring behind this plastic wheel. So it threw sparks upon start up. So I flipped the direction of the ring and everything appeared to be right. So I drove 15 miles and the belt was shredded. Any ideas before I install a new belt and shred it too?
 
#23 ·
I don't know what I did but I installed the idler pulley wrong on the alternator bracket. The stud to where the idler mounts to was damaged so that the idler pulley won't sit properly and won't rotate correctly. I think I didn't seat the idler all the way or the rear idler washer was backwards. So I damaged the alternator bracket so I have to buy a new one and idler pulley too. Be careful of this.
 
#22 ·
This is a great detailed write up. My 09 w/55k just threw up the alternator light tonight along with the battery light. Haven't diagnosed anything yet as for charging, battery voltage(stock) all I did was look at it lol..

I'm just praying it's not the same as another thread that it turned out that the alternator fried the ecm along with it that would definitely ruin my week. Looks like a straight forward job after seeing this write up, I thought the same as another poster in this thread looking at the alternator and saying to myself "that's gonna be fun"

Anybody else have the battery light come on along with the alternator light?

Best case for me would be only a battery but that's not the way my luck rolls so I'm planning for the worst.. I'm still wondering why I didn't get the battery saver mode as most others do, maybe because I only had a few miles till I got home Idk.
 
#24 ·
I used this info to change my 09 G8 GT alternator with 68K yesterday with minimal hassles. New AC Delco unit on Amazon is currently $209 with no core charge. I also just replaced the original battery at the 6 year mark. THANKS to those sharing all the great hints & suggestions in this thread!!
 
#25 ·
You got the oem one for $209?i just got one for $287 from a friends dealer hookup and am going to put it in in about an hour.. Can I as the seller you got it from? I can still return mine =)..


EdIT: Found it and ordered it.. I'm going to put it in the box I already have and return when it arrives.. Just hoping it's actually an oem piece like stated. Saved me $80 thanks..
 
#29 ·
Using the PN provided earlier in this thread, my parts guy tracked one down for me. At the time, he couldn't get me a direct replacement so I went with the PPV. I just made sense to take pictures of them side by side since, at the time, there wasn't much available to look at on the internets
 
#32 ·
I've only replaced a couple of alternators, and never in this car, but as long as the bolts are not showing wear, I don't see why they can't be re-used. Seems wasteful to throw them out if they're still in good shape.
 
#34 ·
Stickey?
 
#35 ·
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