Is there a posibillity of a g8 GXP in its second year, i hear it could possiblly have a LS9 in it

well before people yell to use the search funtction lol, the GXP if made has major talk of getting the LS3

How much do you think those would run at

Rumor is a base of $36-37k.

From ls1tech.com via ls1gto.com (http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=221478)

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I'm betting 33,995. That's 4000 over the GT Base, and its.....................







under 34,000!!! :D:D:rolleyes:

Not that I'm rolling my eyes at the car, but its just funny how they say "The most powerful car for under 30 grand. I wanna start rolling around laughing because its 5 dollars under. I mean.... bloody 5 dollars LOLOL!!! Mind you thats FIVE DOLLARS next to 30,000 or 0.0167 percent!!! WOW! Why not just make it bloody even. Its easier to type in 30,000.

But then, the "consumer" is an idiot. When Walmart says HEY ITS UNDER 5 DOLLARS AT 4.99!! Everyone yaks, "Hey, Kmart want's 5 dollars! Pfft!!

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Anyways.... Sorry, straying from the topic...

I call 34,995!!! :)

I just read that GM engineers believe they can tune the 6.0 to a possible 450 hp. Does any one think that could be used in a gxp model also going with improved brakes and suspenion

I just read that GM engineers believe they can tune the 6.0 to a possible 450 hp. Does any one think that could be used in a gxp model also going with improved brakes and suspenion

It is already confirmed that there IS a GXP model, and the engine IS the LS3. Official hp numbers aren't out yet. I have verified this via GM Dealerworld myself, and it wouldn't be in there if it were false. :)

I just read that GM engineers believe they can tune the 6.0 to a possible 450 hp. Does any one think that could be used in a gxp model also going with improved brakes and suspenion

Post #5 :sneaky:

I'd guess (and hope) that fully loaded it's still under or very close to 40k

I just wonder where they're going to unveil the GXP. It won't roll out in dealers until its officially unveiled....

and some hsv front end to match the ooomph

Rumor has it the GXP is supposed to resemble the HSV. But I never saw anything official.

Car show is comming to NYC this month - any chance of a GXP there?

So far we're pretty much certain that the Solstice Targa will be there. We're counting on the Ute version, and relatively sure that the GXP will be there.

The Targa is the only one that I can say is absolute. The other two are likely, but you never know.

It better have HUD, HID's, an info center screen like in the bonneville & grandprix, and a black and blue interior option!!! So far lack of these options in the base and GT has me very disappointed!!!:mad::cursin::censored::rant:

No, no, no... Come on GM, don't add on a bunch of non-performance enhancing stuff that will drive the price up. I want louder and faster. I don't need to be cutting edge with the technology, but I'd like to outperform the other cars on the road who have all those bells and whistles. Give me the LS3, Manual, louder exhaust, some differentiating cosmetic features if you need to, but that's all I need. And if I could get one in the $36K range, I'd be one happy camper.

No, no, no... Come on GM, don't add on a bunch of non-performance enhancing stuff that will drive the price up. I want louder and faster. I don't need to be cutting edge with the technology, but I'd like to outperform the other cars on the road who have all those bells and whistles. Give me the LS3, Manual, louder exhaust, some differentiating cosmetic features if you need to, but that's all I need. And if I could get one in the $36K range, I'd be one happy camper.

I agree, all I really want is the LS3, and perhaps a reworked fascia.

However, that blue/black interior option would be hot. I hope, but doubt we'll get a hud. Worth the extra price imho.

It better have HUD, HID's, an info center screen like in the bonneville & grandprix, and a black and blue interior option!!! So far lack of these options in the base and GT has me very disappointed!!!:mad::cursin::censored::rant:

As long as they are options and not mandatory w/ the GXP package to drive price up, fine, have all the options you want. I don't want to have to pay $45k because of HID's, a HUD I'll never use, monster Nav station, etc, just so I can have better suspension, brakes and an LS3.

Just my 2% of $1.

No ConeSS, good luck with that...higher trim level cars from most companies package this stuff. The cars are prebuilt and prepackaged with options. There will be no NAV but almost certainly Satellite radio and bluetooth. That in turn is packaged with leather etc.

No ConeSS, good luck with that...higher trim level cars from most companies package this stuff. The cars are prebuilt and prepackaged with options. There will be no NAV but almost certainly Satellite radio and bluetooth. That in turn is packaged with leather etc.
On the 2009s, XM and Bluetooth are going to be standard across the board according to an order info thread in the lounge.

Thing is, the GT is just fine. If I can't afford the GXP I will most certainly get that in its place should I indeed decide to buy.

Why are HIDs a big deal? Seems like a fad thing to me. Enlighten me. As far as looking at them from an oncoming car, they're annoying.

^ You're not supposed to look at oncoming vehicles with HID, that's why they're annoying. I'm not going to vear this thread but to quickly answer your question, it's not a fad and when you experience them while driving, you'll see how much they illuminate the road and are easier on your eyes when driving at night.

:search: on the web for more info...

The HIDs light up a little bit more of the curb. That way, you'll see the deer just before you hit it, instead of when you hit it.... *snickers*

^ You're not supposed to look at oncoming vehicles with HID, that's why they're annoying.

Uhmm, its kinda hard to avoid them. Looking to the side only helps a little... and not to mention that's dangerous as it is.

^ That's true as I find myself doing that on occasion. But when they are not aimed right, then yes, they are more than just annoying. But having the tendency of looking at them, only makes it more dangerous when driving.

I don't doubt the benefits, though. I mainly have a problem with manufacturers making lights brighter and brighter. Even without looking at them, the glare is present.

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Could the GXP just be re-badged like they did to the CR8?

we'll find out on the 18th!!! what the GXP will look like!!

There is a little "fad" to hids. Some guys I know will get 7k or 8k hids just for the "blue" effect. To be different, etc.

I for one would never go over 6k or under 4k. That's the best range of visibility imho.

There is a little "fad" to hids. Some guys I know will get 7k or 8k hids just for the "blue" effect. To be different, etc.

I for one would never go over 6k or under 4k. That's the best range of visibility imho.

A lil off topic, but what does imho stand for :huh:

A lil off topic, but what does imho stand for :huh:


In
My
Honest
Opinion

Any speculation as to when GM will announce pricing on the GXP?

or you can substitue honest with humble.

Crap. Now Pontiac.com has updated their website and it states for both the GXP and Solstice Coupe...

"Available 2009"

It probably won't even be available for the 2009 Model Year. I think I'm going to get a vette since I don't have any kids right now and then towards the end of G8 production, pick up a GXP.

Any speculation as to when GM will announce pricing on the GXP?

I thought they already announced it on pontiacs website. They have previews of it and the ST. I want to assume the same as the Bunny GXP, close to 36 g's. :p

Pricing has not been announced. When the final tests are over and validated, and everything has been finalized they will announce it.

Pricing has not been announced. When the final tests are over and validated, and everything has been finalized they will announce it.

6-9 months from production and they don't know what the content will be or how much they want to make on each one? I would think that would be part of the original business plan for the car. Beancounters at GM must be slipping!:drink:

Note that I said final tests and validations. And then I said "everything" which includes costing and an MSRP devised by the "beancounters."

Why the hell is it always doom and gloom? GM is slipping! Oh no, GM is mucking up! God... get over it. They'll announce the god damn price soon. Keep your britches on!!@#!$!!#$@!

:angel:

Seriously, though, all cursing aside; hehehe... I bet they'll announce by the end of the NCAA tournament... maybe even have a commercial.... hehe. If not, by May we should know?

Hey, price is secondary for me. I want to know content to justify whatever the price turns out to be. I'll make my own decision on whether I would have paid whatever the price is for a G8 GXP equipped however it eventually will be equipped! At this point in time, I have decided that the chatter of $40K from the talking heads at GM is enough to push me into a GT. That doesn't mean I am not interested in knowing what I gave up in the GXP! Besides, wanting to know is why forums like this are around in the first place. If we bitch, quite justifiably in some cases, about GM, so be it. They are a big company, they can handle it. Not to mention, if they do monitor this site, as has be hinted at, maybe letting them know our displeasure on some items will get them fixed. Squeaky wheel and all that.:angel:

I think 36K MSRP will end up being the optioned price. With or without the gas tax; I'm guessing that would be added on Post MSRP. Perhaps you'll see some GXPs at 40K, but I think 38K with the tax would be realistic.

Might be too much for me. Perhaps this summer I'll get an 09 GT :)

The GXP will need to have some significant changes for me to buy it, but currently the manual is the draw for me. Though, Im not sure I want that expensive of a car to be my first stick. I want to learn before hand, but I'm not sure.

Ram, how old are you and never had a stick shift? The first car I bought, back in '67, was a VW Bug. Drove it like I stole it! Did my modding on it with big tires and big exhaust, lights, 8 track stereo, speaker system, upgraded dash, HD clutch, seat belts and drove the wheels off it. Sold it after a couple of years and got half what I paid for it, not counting the mods. Believe me, a manual is not all its cracked up to be, especially if you drive in a lot of rush hour traffic, or on a lot of hills. That clutch can become a real pain in the ass in those types of driving. But everybody should do at least one, I did 7 before I got old and wise!:angel:

I think 36K MSRP will end up being the optioned price. With or without the gas tax; I'm guessing that would be added on Post MSRP. Perhaps you'll see some GXPs at 40K, but I think 38K with the tax would be realistic.

Might be too much for me. Perhaps this summer I'll get an 09 GT :)

The GXP will need to have some significant changes for me to buy it, but currently the manual is the draw for me. Though, Im not sure I want that expensive of a car to be my first stick. I want to learn before hand, but I'm not sure.

Gas tax is part of the MSRP. There is really only one cost option, which is the sunroof. I think everybody is betting the tranny choice is no cost and then color. Pretty simple.

Chip

I'd pay close to 40k if they can get by w/o a gas guzzler, and add some "creature comforts". Sorry I want them. Haters need not reply.

For 40k, the car should have comforts or it should be rated at 430hp. Which we know the later is not so...

Ram, how old are you and never had a stick shift? The first car I bought, back in '67, was a VW Bug.

26, and I've owned only 2 cars. The main deterrent for me is that its quite a $$$ car, and I don't know if I want my first manual to be so....'spensive :p

26, and I've owned only 2 cars. The main deterrent for me is that its quite a $$$ car, and I don't know if I want my first manual to be so....'spensive :p

Don't worry about it. As long as you don't negligently and forcefully abuse the tranny it will be fine. Everyone misses a shift every now and then. However, you will probably put some good wear on the first set of rear tires as you learn the power. Try to find a friend with a stick in a beater and try to get some work in. Believe me, once the car is yours, you will catch on quick. After a few stalls at traffic lights your learning curve spikes upward real fast.

If you really want a stick then get a stick.

LOL. Yeah, I can imagine all the honking bastards behind me.

Believe me, a manual is not all its cracked up to be, especially if you drive in a lot of rush hour traffic, or on a lot of hills. That clutch can become a real pain in the ass in those types of driving.
Word. My roommate has a manual truck and while he's not exactly a driving ace, it's one deterrent from me getting a manual car. He has to shift and clutch way too much just driving through a shopping plaza. Also, the second or third time I drove a stick, I got stuck at a red light on a hill in Blacksburg, VA. While there wasn't any car behind me, I tried to clutch out but stalled it. Well, then a car got real close on my butt so when it turned green and the cars in front of me started going, I (somewhat accidentally) dropped the clutch with the engine revving pretty high and left that hill in a ploom of smoke. I reckon I took 2,000 miles off of the 40K tires on my sister's Hyundai Sonata. I suppose better drivers would be able to control the pedals better and work the handbrake to get out of such a sticky situation... but I'd much rather deal with two pedals instead of three in situations anywhere near that. :eek2:

Word. My roommate has a manual truck and while he's not exactly a driving ace, it's one deterrent from me getting a manual car. He has to shift and clutch way too much just driving through a shopping plaza. Also, the second or third time I drove a stick, I got stuck at a red light on a hill in Blacksburg, VA. While there wasn't any car behind me, I tried to clutch out but stalled it. Well, then a car got real close on my butt so when it turned green and the cars in front of me started going, I (somewhat accidentally) dropped the clutch with the engine revving pretty high and left that hill in a ploom of smoke. I reckon I took 2,000 miles off of the 40K tires on my sister's Hyundai Sonata. I suppose better drivers would be able to control the pedals better and work the handbrake to get out of such a sticky situation... but I'd much rather deal with two pedals instead of three in situations anywhere near that. :eek2:


Give you a couple more days experience and you will have mastered it.

No need for the handbrake in that situation. All you gotta do is let the clutch out to just where it begins to engage the flywheel (you'll feel it and hear the engine begin to lower revs), then you quickly move your right foot from brake to gas and transition into the gas while letting clutch out normally. Sounds harder than it is, but it's not that bad once you do it a few times. Living in Austin, this happens all the time with the hills around here. You'll have fun learning too and have stories to laugh about.

Ram, how old are you and never had a stick shift? The first car I bought, back in '67, was a VW Bug. Drove it like I stole it!

Hey thats what I learned to drive a stick with also. My dads 69 bug. He bought it brand new and still owns it to this day with only 58,000 miles on it.

Hey thats what I learned to drive a stick with also. My dads 69 bug. He bought it brand new and still owns it to this day with only 58,000 miles on it.

Like I said, drove the wheels off it and sold it a couple of years later. Was a '63 with a butt load of miles by the time I was through with it. Living in SOCAL at the time, driving is a way of life down there. Good old car, fond memories. Still wont buy another car with a clutch thou!:angel:

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PONTIAC ANNOUNCES THE 2009 G8 GXP

High-Performance Flagship Combines Progressive Design and Powerful Performance

(3/15/08) NEW YORK – Today Pontiac announced the flagship of its GXP performance series, the G8 GXP high-performance sedan, at the New York Auto Show. This 2009 model will join the Solstice, G6 and Torrent GXP models in Pontiac dealerships in late 2008. The G8 GXP takes the G8’s responsive driving experience, refined passenger environment and aggressive good looks to a new level. It also delivers an enjoyable driving experience, thanks to a 6.2L V-8 that produces in excess of 400 horsepower.

“More than just raw power, the GXP delivers the sophisticated yet exciting driving experience that enthusiasts expect in a car costing far more than the GXP,” said Jim Bunnell, Buick-Pontiac-GMC general manager

Engine performance

The heart of the G8 GXP is the 6.2L LS3 small-block V-8, currently rated at 402 horsepower (300 kW)* and 402 lb.-ft. of torque (546 Nm)* pending final SAE certification. This engine is the newest member of GM’s small-block V-8 family. It features a revised, larger-bore cylinder block, high-flow, L92-style cylinder heads; larger-diameter pistons; unique camshaft and camshaft timing; revised valvetrain with offset intake rocker arms; high-flow intake manifold; and high-flow fuel injectors.

The LS3 engine has an aluminum cylinder block with cast-in-place iron cylinder liners. Larger bores help create a 376-cubic-inch displacement. The block casting also features revisions and machining in the bulkheads to enhance its strength and improve bay-to-bay breathing. New pistons were designed for high-rpm performance.

New, high-flow cylinder heads aid engine breathing and are based on the large port and valve design found on the LS7 engine and other GM L76 engines. The larger-capacity, straighter intake port-design optimizes intake flow to the combustion chamber, an effect augmented by large valves, measuring 2.16 inches (55.0 mm) on the intake side and 1.59 inches (40.4 mm) on the exhaust side.

Pending final testing, the G8 GXP is expected to deliver 0-to-60 mph performance of about 4.7 seconds, and a quarter-mile time of 13.0 seconds at 108 mph.

Six on the floor

A new six-speed Tremec TR6060 manual transmission is optional on the G8 GXP. This next-generation manual smoothly transfers the engine’s power and torque to the rear wheels with a reduction in shift throw. The transmission features a host of refinements including premium gear synchronizers; stronger gears, housing, and bell housing; a single-piece counter shaft; and machined gear teeth.

The standard Hydra-Matic six-speed 6L80 automatic transmission is technologically advanced and robust. It uses a clutch-to-clutch operation and an integrated 32-bit transmission controller to deliver smooth and precise shifts. The six-speed has a generous 6.04:1 overall ratio that enables a “steep” first-gear. The result is strong launch acceleration along with “tall” overdrive ratios that lower engine rpms for better fuel economy and reduced noise.

A 3.27 final drive ratio comes with automatic-equipped GXPs, and a 3.70 gear is matched with the manual transmission. A limited-slip differential is standard.

High-performance suspension

The G8 GXP rides on the G8’s 114.8-inch (2915 mm) wheelbase with wide front (62.7 inches / 1,592 mm) and rear (63.3 inches / 1,608 mm) tracks. The four-wheel independent suspension is fully adjustable and is tuned for the highest performance in the G8 family. The GXP’s ride and handling was developed and validated on racetracks and highways around the world, including the famed Nuremberg Ring. It rewards the driver with sharp, immediate responses, as well as a well-balanced road feel during spirited driving.

The suspension employs a MacPherson strut design in the front and a four-link, coil-over-shock design in the rear. A direct-acting front stabilizer bar, decoupled rear stabilizer bar and lateral ball joints on the rear suspension deliver increased lateral stiffness for more responsive handling. The front suspension features fully adjustable caster, camber and toe; the rear suspension has fully adjustable camber and toe, for more precise tuning.

Steering and brakes

The steering rate for the GXP is tuned to provide immediate response with definitive driver feedback. Like the G8 sedan and GT, the GXP’s steering box is located ahead of the front axle line for a quicker, more direct feel.

The Brembo braking system matches the GXP’s boost in performance with an equivalent increase in stopping power. The system includes 14-inch (355 mm) vented front and 12.76-inch (324 mm) rear disc rotors, with special quad-piston alloy calipers in front. The alloy calipers on the rear brakes have single-piston actuation. The four-wheel disc brake system includes standard anti-lock brakes and traction control.

Wheels and tires

The GXP rides on 19-inch polished aluminum wheels with a special machined face. Performance-oriented summer P245/40R19 tires are standard, and a comparable all-season tire is available. Combined with the suspension and steering enhancements, this setup gives the GXP exceptional cornering grip.

Exterior styling

The G8 GXP exhibits strong Pontiac design cues. A unique front fascia with a lower splitter and a distinctive rear fascia diffuser contribute to its sporty look. The dual-port grille, fog lamps, bold wheels and confident, wheels-at-the-corners stance are all unmistakably Pontiac traits.

Interior amenities and comfort

The G8 GXP’s interior is driver-oriented with aesthetic and tactile details like instruments with a sporty appearance that match the car’s performance. Interior materials consist of satin and chrome trim and high-quality textured materials throughout. The instrument cluster glows with crisp, white light on the primary instruments. Pontiac’s signature red lighting illuminates the rest of the instrument panel cluster.

Standard comfort and convenience amenities include:

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Highly bolstered two-tone sport seats with color-coordinated gauge cluster and GXP embroidery
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Leather-trimmed steering wheel and gear shifter
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Power-adjustable front seats
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Fog lamps
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Alloy sport pedals
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A 230-watt Blaupunkt audio system
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XM Satellite Radio

The seats offer firm support to hold occupants in place during aggressive cornering. The standard heated leather seats were designed to deliver excellent comfort during long drives. They are available in Ebony or an Ebony/Red two-tone.

Safety

Maintaining the G8’s tradition of a full suite of standard safety features, the G8 GXP includes:

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Four-wheel disc brakes with ABS and traction control
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Electronic stability control
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Seat-mounted thorax air bags and dual-stage frontal air bags for front passengers, with automatic passenger sensing system
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Roof rail side-impact air bags for both seating rows
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OnStar

Contacts:

Jim Hopson
Pontiac Communications
Phone: 313-667-4124
E-mail: jim.hopson@gm.com

Vince Muniga
Product Development Communications
Phone: 586-575-1928
E-mail: vince.muniga@gm.com

2008 PONTIAC G8 GXP SPECIFICATIONS

Overview

Models: Pontiac G8 GXP
Body style / driveline: 5-passenger, front-engine, rear-drive sedan
Construction: unitized body frame, 1- and 2-sided galvanized steel
EPA vehicle class: midsize sedan
Manufacturing location: Adelaide, Australia
Key competitors: Dodge Charger SRT-8, Nissan Maxima

Engines

6.2L V-8 (LS3)
Application: G8 GXP
Type: 6.2L V-8
Displacement (cu in / cc): 376 / 6162
Bore & stroke (in / mm): 4.06 x 3.62 / 103.25 x 92
Block material: cast aluminum w/ cast-in-place iron bore liners
Cylinder head material: aluminum
Valvetrain: valve-in-head; 2 valves per cylinder; roller lifters
Ignition system: high-energy distributorless ignition; solid state direct-fire ignition w/ coil near plug and integrated ignition
Fuel delivery: returnless, multi-port fuel injection
Compression ratio: 10.7:1
Horsepower (hp / kW @ rpm): 402 / 300 @ 6000*
Torque (lb-ft / Nm @ rpm): 402 / 546 @ 4400* (automatic transmission)
400 / 542 @ 4400* (manual transmission)
Recommended fuel: premium unleaded
Maximum engine speed (rpm): 6600
Emissions controls: evaporative system, close-coupled catalytic converters, positive crankcase ventilation, electronic throttle control
Estimated fuel economy (city / hwy): TBD

Transmission

Type: Hydra-Matic 6L80
six-speed automatic TR6060- six-speed manual
Gear ratios (:1):
First: 4.03 3.01
Second: 2.36 2.07
Third: 1.53 1.43
Fourth: 1.15 1.00
Fifth: 0.85 0.84
Sixth: 0.67 0.57
Reverse: 3.06 3.28
Final drive ratio: 3.27 3.70

Chassis/Suspension

Front: multi-link MacPherson strut; direct-acting stabilizer bar; progressive-rate coil springs; fully adjustable camber, caster and toe
Rear: four-link independent; progressive-rate coil springs over shocks; stabilizer bar; fully adjustable camber and toe
Steering type: variable-ratio rack-and-pinion; rack forward of axle centerline
Steering ratio: 46-53 mm per revolution
Steering wheel turns, lock-to-lock: 2.8
Turning circle, curb-to-curb (ft / m): 38.4 / 11.7

Brakes

Type: four-wheel disc w/ ABS; ventilated front and rear rotors; quad-piston front calipers; single piston alloy rear calipers
Rotor diameter (in / mm): front: 14 / 355
rear: 12.76 / 324

Wheels/Tires

Wheel size and type: 19 x 8-inch polished aluminum with machined face
Tires: P245/40R19 summer (standard); P245/40R19 all-season (optional)

Dimensions

Exterior
Wheelbase (in / mm): 114.8 / 2915
Overall length (in / mm): 196.1 / 4982
Overall width (in / mm): 74.8 / 1899
Overall height (in / mm): 57.7 / 1465
Track (in / mm): front: 62.7 / 1592
rear: 63.3 / 1608
Curb weight (lb / kg): 4050 / 1837 (automatic)
4023 / 1825 (manual)

Interior
Seating capacity (front / rear): 2 / 3
Headroom (in / mm): front: 38.7 / 989
rear: 38 / 965
Legroom (in / mm): front: 42.2 / 1071
rear: 39.4 / 1001
Shoulder room (in / mm): front: 59.1 / 1501
rear: 59.1 / 1500
Hip room (in / mm): front: 56.7 / 1439
rear: 58 / 1472

Capacities

EPA passenger volume (cu ft / L): 107 / 3047
EPA interior volume (cu ft / L): 124.5 / 3528
Cargo volume (cu ft / L): 17.5 / 496
Trailer towing maximum (lb / kg): 2000 / 907
Fuel tank (gal / L): 19.2 / 72.6
Engine oil (qt / L): 8.9 / 8.5 (dry)
8.8 / 8.3 (w / filter change)
Cooling system (qt / L): TBD

*Pending SAE certification.

Note: Information shown is current at time of publication. Please visit our GM Media web site at http://media.gm.com for updates.

LS9 in a second year GXP? Nice dream. Never going to happen due to cafe fuel standards getting tighter and emissions.