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: G8 Gt vs Turbo Camaro SS


shaunfin24
01-25-2009, 01:25 AM
I dont really post on here i just like to read and get ideas but i thought i would let everyone know this story

I was driving down the feeder been looking for a legit race no v6 or inline 4. When i came upon this camaro ss thinkin here we go this should be good race. Well i get up next to him and i here the blow off value just hiss, thinking to myself im gonna get my ass whooped well he looked over at me and we slowed down to about 40 45. We both took off at the same time i started to full a fender on him as he shifted threw gears then he caught right back up to me and was pulling a fender on me and by this time we were at 100 and he shut it off bc he was probally embarrsed bc i was right next to him and gaining. im pretty sure if he would have kept going i could have got little bit more in front of him but o well.In my person opnion his camaro ss sounded like **** and i dont think the turbo was set up right just by what i heard.

As for my modd im all stock accept that i cut the mufflers off today making it straight pipe from the axle back.

p71
01-25-2009, 04:28 AM
hmmm....

Shaffe
01-25-2009, 10:31 AM
..............LS1 Camaro should have been able to pull on you or be even. a turbo LS1 should have decimated you

LasT_ResorT_G8
01-25-2009, 11:45 AM
^^^ +1 to that

The Commodore
01-25-2009, 05:05 PM
Are you sure it was an SS and not a V6 turbo?

I raced an LS1 Z28 and he was able to pull away pretty easily.

jmorgan
01-25-2009, 07:06 PM
Most Camaro turbo v6's run well too, 350rwhp is not that hard and only weigh 3400lbs vs 4000lbs that your car weighs. Was it an LS1 or LT1 or maybe the V6. V6 might be a race on 6-8psi, there is a turbo V6 Camaro in Katy that has over 650rwhp.

roswald0511
01-25-2009, 08:19 PM
Sorry, but I call BS...................

































































Unless he had the turbonator :)

TheTugBoat
01-25-2009, 08:32 PM
#1 Just caust you hear a blowoff doesn't mean the turbo system is working properly.

Could have been an LT1 with a busted ass turbo setup.
Could have been a v6 with ss badges...OP did you see the SS inlay grille? SS emblems in the right spot on the trunk? Correct SS hood?
Also could have been a true SS from like the first year they released the LS1 SS's with 200k miles and a turbo system producing no boost.

Can't call bull**** till you get the facts first people.

The Commodore
01-25-2009, 09:10 PM
He could have mistaken the sound. I could believe the story more if it was just an LS1 F-body or a horribly setup turbo.

shaunfin24
01-25-2009, 09:13 PM
Most Camaro turbo v6's run well too, 350rwhp is not that hard and only weigh 3400lbs vs 4000lbs that your car weighs. Was it an LS1 or LT1 or maybe the V6. V6 might be a race on 6-8psi, there is a turbo V6 Camaro in Katy that has over 650rwhp.

It was red camaro with some rims that all i really know which could be any camaro in houston lol

#1 Just caust you hear a blowoff doesn't mean the turbo system is working properly.

Could have been an LT1 with a busted ass turbo setup.
Could have been a v6 with ss badges...OP did you see the SS inlay grille? SS emblems in the right spot on the trunk? Correct SS hood?
Also could have been a true SS from like the first year they released the LS1 SS's with 200k miles and a turbo system producing no boost.

Can't call bull**** till you get the facts first people.

I dont beleive it myself everyone, it has ss badages but you know how ppl are they like to throw badges on there car when they really arent...i figured a ss would take off on me all stock but like i said we were on the feeder and we took of then he went his own way and i went mine we didnt talk or anything so i have no clue if it was really an ss or the v6 that was turbo. In my opioin i think the turbo was ****ed up bc it sounded really bad like it was messing up im not an automovite tech so i coudlnt tell you what was wrong with it but i didnt think it was working right to begin with and i said that in the post so dont everyone rag on me bc i dont think i we can take a stock ss as it is but i thought i would post what happen

LasT_ResorT_G8
01-25-2009, 10:17 PM
Unless he had the turbonator :)

ahaahahhaahha lol he probably did have a turbonator:judge:

Gizmo
01-26-2009, 08:53 AM
*sigh*

99-LS1-SS
01-26-2009, 09:32 AM
So, a stock LS1 4th gen f-body will pull away from the G8 GT? I have wondered how those two would end up if racing.

Sorry for the hijack.

SRG963
01-26-2009, 10:12 AM
So, a stock LS1 4th gen f-body will pull away from the G8 GT? I have wondered how those two would end up if racing.

Sorry for the hijack.

I don't think so, I've had both and the G8 seems quicker.

The Commodore
01-26-2009, 10:53 AM
So, a stock LS1 4th gen f-body will pull away from the G8 GT? I have wondered how those two would end up if racing.

Sorry for the hijack.

Well the Z28 I raced was probably not stock but it did not seem like he was heavily modded. I was a little slow on his last honk and he definitely got the hit on me. But I was not catching up. We lined up again to try another run but I spotted a suspicious Charger(I'm very suspicious of R/T chargers now) up in the distance. Sure enough it was a unmarked cop so we broke off. He goes to my college though, so I might be able to line up again sometime in the future.

Gizmo
01-26-2009, 11:31 AM
So, a stock LS1 4th gen f-body will pull away from the G8 GT? I have wondered how those two would end up if racing.

Sorry for the hijack.

Stock LS1 4th gen f-bodies are good for anywhere from high 12's to mid 13s depending on transmission and driver.

SRG963
01-26-2009, 11:34 AM
Stock LS1 4th gen f-bodies are good for anywhere from high 12's to mid 13s depending on transmission and driver.

Don't think the stockers were that fast, although my 2 were fast as Fuk!
http://www.edmunds.com/used/2002/chevrolet/camaro/100002300/specs.html
Stock Acceleration (0-60 mph): 5.56 sec.

The Commodore
01-26-2009, 12:15 PM
Don't think the stockers were that fast, although my 2 were fast as Fuk!
http://www.edmunds.com/used/2002/chevrolet/camaro/100002300/specs.html
Stock Acceleration (0-60 mph): 5.56 sec.

The SS and Z28s do better than that. They can do 13 second 1/4 I believe.

SRG963
01-26-2009, 12:19 PM
The SS and Z28s do better than that. They can do 13 second 1/4 I believe.

That is from the Z28, and the SS only had a different intake/exhaust and 15 more HP, still not as fast as my G8 GT IMO.

99-LS1-SS
01-26-2009, 12:30 PM
I seem to remember the F-bodies running mid 13's as the norm which I guess would put it right in line with the G8 GT. I think only a handful of very skilled drivers got into the 12's with the F-bodies completely stock.

Shaffe
01-26-2009, 01:27 PM
i had a buddy with an LS-1 Z28 and that car was a factory freak.

The Commodore
01-26-2009, 01:58 PM
That is from the Z28, and the SS only had a different intake/exhaust and 15 more HP, still not as fast as my G8 GT IMO.

IIRC I remeber seeing the Z28's HP around 350. Not completely sure. But the Z28 with 3 people in it was able to walk away from my G8 GT(stock) with 2 people in it.

99-LS1-SS
01-26-2009, 02:08 PM
IIRC I remeber seeing the Z28's HP around 350. Not completely sure. But the Z28 with 3 people in it was able to walk away from my G8 GT(stock) with 2 people in it.

An out of the box LS1 Z28 had 305 horsepower. If you are referring to the specific Z28 that you raced, 350 rwhp with 3 people would make it close to a lightly modded G8 GT.

The Commodore
01-26-2009, 02:22 PM
An out of the box LS1 Z28 had 305 horsepower. If you are referring to the specific Z28 that you raced, 350 rwhp with 3 people would make it close to a lightly modded G8 GT.

Really? Huh...

Well at least I learned something. How much do they weigh?

Deuuuce
01-26-2009, 02:42 PM
Are you sure it was an SS and not a V6 turbo?

I raced an LS1 Z28 and he was able to pull away pretty easily.

I raced a Procharged Z-28 and he ran a 12.0 @ 120mph. I got smoked, badly.

I don't think so, I've had both and the G8 seems quicker.

Need data. An automatic LS1 can run mid 13s, stock G8s run high 13s.

Don't think the stockers were that fast, although my 2 were fast as Fuk!
http://www.edmunds.com/used/2002/chevrolet/camaro/100002300/specs.html
Stock Acceleration (0-60 mph): 5.56 sec.

Not good quoting Edmunds....bad source.

99-LS1-SS
01-26-2009, 02:49 PM
Really? Huh...

Well at least I learned something. How much do they weigh?

~3400lbs

G8GXP4now
01-26-2009, 02:52 PM
The Camaro had to have been an automatic.

I had an automatic modded formula that would run 11.7 consistently.

I can vouch that a 40mph punch is a big dead zone for a 4 speed auto. I lined up against an evenly RWHP'd 6 speed camaro and his car only ran very low 12's (bad driver) and he walked me easily from a 40mph roll.

So if that was an auto Camaro from 40, I think the story is plausible.

SRG963
01-26-2009, 02:55 PM
I raced a Procharged Z-28 and he ran a 12.0 @ 120mph. I got smoked, badly.



Need data. An automatic LS1 can run mid 13s, stock G8s run high 13s.



Not good quoting Edmunds....bad source.

I know, bad source, but I've owned a stock 6 speed 98 SS, and a tuned 02 auto Z28 and now own a tuned G8GT, and even my buddy that's been in my old Z agrees that my 4 door is faster.

The trick now is to find a stock Z28/TransAm to compare LOL

Gizmo
01-26-2009, 03:08 PM
Factory ratings on the LS1 F-Bodies meant nothing. It is widely known and accepted that they were grossly underrated to appease the Corvette owners. I had a 2000 Camaro SS 6 speed with only a catback and airbox and it dyno'd 317 to the wheels. That's about 370 crank.

As I said before, they were good for anywhwere from high 12's to mid 13's stock depending on tranny and driver. The only way I'd give the nod to the G8 would be gearing. I'd give the nod to the F-Body but it would be a driver's race.

MWD246232
01-26-2009, 03:30 PM
i just ran a ws-6 ls1 trans am it had exhaust a few little bolt ons and we went from around 20 and i walked him pretty good he said that he was making around 375 a the flywheel so ya my car has what my singature says but have not had it tuned for the headers

shaunfin24
01-26-2009, 04:04 PM
i was able to walk away from a all stock z28 other day on the feeder going from about 20 to 100 i pulled about 1 1/2 cars on him with me changing lanes i also got the hit to..we raced right before that to and he got the hit and we were side by side the whole time but that was from 30 to about 80 bc we had cars in the way

Shaffe
01-26-2009, 08:37 PM
still even if it was an automatic and i know 40MPH is a dead zone for the 4 speed auto, if it was tuboed, once it was spooled up the boost should have more then made up for the dead zone caused by the auto.

jaxredg8
01-26-2009, 09:12 PM
Yeah yeah yeah. The track is the one place that numbers dont lie. I will run anyone. If I lose, I lose but come on, lets take this crap to the track. A kill is a kill but you never know what the other guy has until its a true no holds brawl at the track.

Shaffe
01-26-2009, 10:10 PM
agreed take it to the tack!

brad02ss
01-27-2009, 12:34 PM
I had an 02 SS with a tune, intake, and exhaust cut-out (not even headers/ actual exhaust system) and ran 13.0's at a crappy track on stock Goodyears. I ran mid 14s at the same track in my G8.
Bone stock I ran 13.7s in the SS.
Probably a crappy turbo set-up/bad tune, something obviously wasn't right.
Sorry shaunfin- Congrats on the win but our G8's couldn't hang with a decently done LS turbo.

Punisher GTO
01-27-2009, 03:39 PM
Factory ratings on the LS1 F-Bodies meant nothing. It is widely known and accepted that they were grossly underrated to appease the Corvette owners. I had a 2000 Camaro SS 6 speed with only a catback and airbox and it dyno'd 317 to the wheels. That's about 370 crank.

As I said before, they were good for anywhwere from high 12's to mid 13's stock depending on tranny and driver. The only way I'd give the nod to the G8 would be gearing. I'd give the nod to the F-Body but it would be a driver's race.

+1 all LS1 Fbodys 6sp put down near 300RWHP stock, autos around 290. The later model ls1's have the LS6 intake which is better then the ls1 intake that came on the older ls1's. It's the same engine in the 04GTO. It should be a pretty good race for a G8 GT in the 1/4, but I would give the edge to the Fbody as many people have hit really low 13's stock, with a few people touching the high 12's. I put down over 290RWHP stock on my A4ls1 and my engine is the same thing in the 01/02 Fbody.

RyaNCSU1
01-27-2009, 07:52 PM
I raced a cammed 6spd LS1 SS at the 1/8 strip last weekend. Took him 3 times in a row even though he claimed almost 390rwhp.

He did have alot of traction problems so i will admit I should have lost. However on the runs where he hooked decently he still only gained very slowly. Could never get closer than my rear bumper by 80.

two vids to prove it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHRHbEsiafs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHVI6cOScQc

Shaffe
01-27-2009, 08:37 PM
that LS1 needs the driver mod.....bad

J_Grand
01-27-2009, 10:25 PM
since we are on the camaro subject here are some photos of the 2010
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll316/JGrand48219/STA70778.jpg
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http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll316/JGrand48219/STA70782.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll316/JGrand48219/STA70783.jpg

shaunfin24
01-27-2009, 11:49 PM
I had an 02 SS with a tune, intake, and exhaust cut-out (not even headers/ actual exhaust system) and ran 13.0's at a crappy track on stock Goodyears. I ran mid 14s at the same track in my G8.
Bone stock I ran 13.7s in the SS.
Probably a crappy turbo set-up/bad tune, something obviously wasn't right.
Sorry shaunfin- Congrats on the win but our G8's couldn't hang with a decently done LS turbo.


oh i didnt say i won he pulled a fender on me at about 100 and he shut it off after he got the fende bc i guess he thought he had it.

brad02ss
01-28-2009, 12:04 AM
OK gotcha...good run anyway. And I don't mean to bash your thread, just posting my .02 about the F-bodies.

Speaking of f-bodies- that 5th gen in black-wow-I'm going to want one sooo bad

shaunfin24
01-28-2009, 12:17 AM
OK gotcha...good run anyway. And I don't mean to bash your thread, just posting my .02 about the F-bodies.

Speaking of f-bodies- that 5th gen in black-wow-I'm going to want one sooo bad

Its cool i misread things on here all the time but yeah black camaro ftw that thing looks sick

The Commodore
01-28-2009, 12:36 AM
OK gotcha...good run anyway. And I don't mean to bash your thread, just posting my .02 about the F-bodies.

Speaking of f-bodies- that 5th gen in black-wow-I'm going to want one sooo bad

That black one is really the only new Camaro that has sparked my interest.

WhiteDeathLSX
01-28-2009, 01:06 AM
The 4th generation f-bodies are no joke, especially with a competant driver. Regardless of SS vs Z28 vs WS6, they are essentially 3400 lb 300+ rwhp vehicles capable of running solid 13's in stock trim.

Deuuuce
01-28-2009, 09:12 AM
that LS1 needs the driver mod.....bad

x100. After making up the blown launch the 1/8th he would have been walked, hard.

nappysvette
01-30-2009, 11:11 AM
More like a 3.4Liter Camaro with Ricer Turbo.