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GM Holden today marked the diamond anniversary of its first all Australian car by unveiling a stunning two-door performance thoroughbred called Coupe 60.

Coupe 60 celebrates the six decades since GM Holden built the 48-215 at its Fishermans Bend plant in Port Melbourne, Victoria, and provides a glimpse of Holden’s future directions in design, engineering and emerging engine technologies.

Exemplifying sports luxury, Coupe 60 is a pillarless concept car that explores the limits of Holden’s current rear-wheel drive capabilities, combining racing looks and technology into a road going sportscar experience.

Its sophisticated appearance is delivered through simple and powerful design, highlighted by the pillarless construction and V8 supercar inspired ****pit layout and side-exiting chambered exhaust system with billet alloy tips.

Almost 60mm shorter than the VE sedan, and sitting on 21-inch centre-lock alloy wheels with unique design Kumho high performance semi-slick tyres, Coupe 60 captures all that’s exciting about the Holden DNA.

Other racing-derived enhancements include full flat under body, rear underbody air diffuser and functional rear deck-lid spoiler with unique designed LED tail lamps.

The interior also has several unique features. They include one piece carbon fiber bucket seats (featuring leather and suede pad design) and a sports-inspired flat bottomed steering wheel with integrated shift light display and LCD sports instrument cluster.

The high gloss carbon fiber carries through to doors and rear trim providing a contrast to the leather trimmed instrument panel and black suede trimmed pillars, headliners and parcel shelf.

Details and accents are picked out with a distinctive red high shine leather on the seats and dark gunmetal finish and satin chrome on the consoles and doors.

Front seats are adjustable fore and aft to allow easy access to the rear, with four-point race harness restraints for all seating positions.

Under the bonnet is just as forward looking, with a 6.0 litre V8 engine incorporating the latest technologies such as active fuel management and calibrated for E85 ethanol fuel.

Even the paint is a one-off. Called ‘Diamond Silver’ by Holden designers, it gives a liquid aluminium finish that almost slides off the bodywork.

GM Holden Chairman and Managing Director Mark Reuss said, “Coupe 60 is Holden's 60th anniversary gift to its fans worldwide.

“It highlights Holden’s heritage of rear wheel drive performance whilst looking ahead to the potential offered by new technologies and materials.

“This is a vehicle I know our designers would dearly love to see go into production, but for the moment it has to remain a concept only,” he said.

Project Designer Manager, Peter Hughes, said, “We were looking to mark the diamond anniversary with a car that captured the Holden DNA and took the current VE range to an exciting next step.

“Even in the early stages of VE development, we knew there was a sensational coupe waiting to get out and the 60 th anniversary has given us the chance to explore that.

“With Coupe 60 we think we have designed a car that has the potential to write another chapter in the book of Holden icons.”


Main Features:
Pillarless coupe body;
Derived from flexible GRWD platform;
VE sedan wheelbase.

Powertrain:
6.0L V8 with Active Fuel Management, calibrated for E85 Ethanol fuel;
6-speed manual transmission (SS specification);
Engine oil cooler.

Exterior:
Unique ”Diamond Silver” paint colour;
Electrically dropping front & rear side windows;
Racing-derived aerodynamic down-force enhancements:

* Rear under-body air diffuser;
* Full flat under body;
* Functional rear deck-lid spoiler;

21-inch centre-lock alloy wheels;
Unique design Kumho high-performance semi-slick tyres;
High-performance Brembo brake hardware with ducted air cooling for front callipers;
Side-exiting chambered exhaust system with billet alloy tips;
Unique design LED tail lamps;
Exterior mirrors with integral LED side markers.

Interior:
V8-Supercar inspired ****pit layout for enhanced driver visibility and spaciousness;
LCD sports instrument cluster located in a unique column-mounted binnacle;
One-piece carbon fiber bucket seats, featuring unique suede-pad design and distinctive red high shine leather accents;
Front seats are adjustable fore-aft and allow easy access to rear;
Four-point race harness restraints for all seating positions;
Unique sports-inspired flat-bottom steering wheel with integrated shift light display and suede grips;
Unique interior details including air vents, column switches, gear shift knob and pedals.

Interior trim.
Perforated leather trimmed instrument panel;
Black suede trimmed pillars, headliner and parcel shelf;
High gloss carbon fiber used as a structural material for seats, doors and rear trim provides contrast to leather and suede trim;
Details and accents are picked out with red high shine leather, a dark gunmetal finish and satin chrome.

can anyone say premature ejaculation?

The thing is amazing.

Have a look at the photo's...

Holden you've done it again! :aus_flag:

TEASE!!!!

Jon, that's just not nice.:gr_jest:

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Coupe 60
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:drool:

HOLY F@#K!!!!!!!

WOW!!!!!!!
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Come on Holden/GM let's get the new GTO stateside.

http://www.jillandnick.com/gmi_photos/gto_new.jpg

f__K me drunk, now that's what I'm talking about !!! Great work boy's

That's one sexy car.

Umm if that comes state side or when it does come state side the 888 Gray Gt is how do I say it SOLD! And I will have one of those in a Gray PLEASE. That thing is TIGHT!!!!!!!

The worst thing about it is it looks production ready. in the pics...... Im SICK

oh yeah....... I think i have to move to Oz now..... I knew they had a 2 door in the line up I KNEW IT!!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/SCCAGTO/jawdrop.gif http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/SCCAGTO/jawdrop.gifGM has me firmly in it's grasp. Make this car a reality. Send them to America. Damn the nay-sayers. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/SCCAGTO/rock.gif http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/SCCAGTO/rock.gif

IMHO I think they should replace all the Pontiac as Re badged and fascia Holdens. That way they can keep their resale value and everyone won't have one.

Here's the line up

(Holden - Pontiac)

commodore- G8
Coupe 60 - GTO or Firebird or G8 S (for Sport) C for Coupe
Astra - G5
Ute - Make it Chevy El camino... I don't think it really has a place in Pontiac
Epica - G6
Solsitce would have to be as is

Oh and one more thing Can you say BMW 6 Series fighter........oh oops I mean Killer

I must admit I would give my right and left nut to have it parked in my garage.

There is a Coupe 60 micro site at www.holden.com

Perhaps this is what the G8 GXP badge was awaiting!!!???

I love it, but it would be at least 50 grand. And there is no way you could sell a $50,000 car with the word Pontiac on it.

Just bring it over as a Holden.

As a show car the G8 would have cost 50,000 dollars too.

Here's our next-generation GTO that we will not get.

But still maybe a G8 GXP hehehe.....

I'm going to the Melbourne motor show next week. If I can get a clear view, I'll get some shots.

Nice looking. Maybe a bit over the top with the lovers and fins on the back.

There are plenty of launch pics at>>

http://www.caradvice.com.au/10711/melbourne-motor-show-holden-coupe60-concept/

2010 GTO? Took 2 years to get the G8 here, figure that for this one too?:dunno:

The GTO was reportedly canceled...

You kidding me with those seats? That's just a tease. Now if it's "based off the G8" that would make it more like a Camaro on a diet since they would all share the Zeta platform. Either way this car is hot as that Beyutch Paris would say!

Looks like an M3 killer to me.

i would take this over the new Camaro, too bad i like the G8 GT better.....four doors are better than two

What did Lutz say about EVERY concept car GM produces now has to be possible for production?

i would take this over the new Camaro, too bad i like the G8 GT better.....four doors are better than two


I agree and I am a staunch Camaro addict. I think I could drive my GTO until this came out and forgo the long awaited Camaro launch. The styling of the 60 looks fast. The interior is spot on and it’s lines are very appealing.

That is the car I would buy as a 60 stateside or as a Pontiac, but put the funky grills in there… fergitboutit. Unless the grills are styled and flow with the symmetry of the headlamps, now that is a bird of a different color.

The GTO was reportedly canceled...

We can hope that there will be enough enthusiasm to revive this idea. I want this so bad. Seems like Holden has been doing that to me. Every time Holden shows a new car, I want that more than the last one.

This car should be the next Holden Monaro! Side exhaust reminds me of the GTO (Monaro) from Need For Speed Most Wanted. Now all they have to do is drop the LS7 motor in there and you got a M5/M6 killer.

LS3, M6, with the other 20" HSV wheels, standard seats with normal gauges, I'll give ya $45K cash today!

I think it would be a mistake to slap the G8 front on this car and call it the GTO. With the retro Camaro and Challenger coming out, another modern GTO would bomb.

I do like the car, but how about they use the Audi naming scheme. Similar to the A6-A5 connection make the 2 Door G8 the G7.

Also did anyone else notice the words on the LCD screen?

Got Boost?
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I think it would be a mistake to slap the G8 front on this car and call it the GTO. With the retro Camaro and Challenger coming out, another modern GTO would bomb.

I do like the car, but how about they use the Audi naming scheme. Similar to the A6-A5 connection make the 2 Door G8 the G7.

Not to take anything from the Camaro or Challenger, but they are retro American designs and if they produce a butt load of them like the current Mustang, the attraction will decline.

One of the downfalls of the 04 - 06 GTO was the bland styling. This beast is sexy. I say they should send it over as a modern GTO.

Love the color and exhaust. I know it's a concept, but still. I want one!

The GTO was reportedly canceled...

You mean the 06's? Still selling new. Never was a program for a new edition, not even based on the Camaro. But this, this spells GTO for et hfuture and hits Mustang squarely in the front fender brake vents.

Another article here http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/E940CDAA5E59B8DFCA2573FD007CF5B6

This car brings great joy to me.

There is already a petition started to build it:

http://www.petitiononline.com/coupe60/petition.html

Hope this makes it into the Pontiac lineup!

You mean the 06's? Still selling new. Never was a program for a new edition, not even based on the Camaro. But this, this spells GTO for et hfuture and hits Mustang squarely in the front fender brake vents.

Another article here http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/E940CDAA5E59B8DFCA2573FD007CF5B6

Are you saying somewhere out there dealers still have New 06 GTO's ?

Are you saying somewhere out there dealers still have New 06 GTO's ?

Duh!

Anyone want a blue one I'll hook you up. (might finally be gone - was there before New Years, anyway - and it was there before Christmas)

Here's a quick photoswap into a LHD.

http://www.g8board.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=396&stc=1&d=1204294098

Wow! That looks amazing.

Duh!

Anyone want a blue one I'll hook you up. (might finally be gone - was there before New Years, anyway - and it was there before Christmas)

Here's a quick photoswap into a LHD.

http://www.g8board.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=396&stc=1&d=1204294098

Duh?

I guess I should have known that, huh ? I guess I need to spend more time on the internet and less time doing something productive.

Hell yes!

The coupe has to be much lighter than the sedan right? 300 lbs?

I don't care what you call it G8C - GTO - Firebird...

GM needs to bring this over with some smaller engines to offset CAFE so they can make this happen.

Bring it over with:
G8C - Turbo 4 for $24k base - 30 hwy mpg for CAFE - high volume
G8C GT - Supercharged V6 for $27k base - 27 hwy mpg for CAFE - medium volume
G8C GXP - Supercharged 6.0 for $35k loaded - 25 hwy mpg - low volume

Now that would be Pontiac Excitement!

Don't yell at me for the numbers, I didn't do any research, they are just off the top of my head.

i liek your idea except for the GT having a 6 banger in it. they should put a v6 in the base, a good V-8 in the GT and have a limtied run of high performance ones. dont call it a G8 C or GTO. just G8. shouldnt have to call it a coupe or anything special. jsut offer it in a coupe. that car is hot.

as for it beign a new GTO, hate to say it butthe same thing would probably happen. the older guys would complain it doesnt look like a GTO etc etc. had the GTO stayed around like the mustang had, i dont think people would have a problem. but i want this car here in america!

There may not have been a program, but the idea was "cancelled" :p

If Holden builds this they won't need the CTS coupe.

Holden will be developing a high output V6 for install in their equivalent of eth CTS-V. They will be getting teh DI version that we see here in 4 doors, but it's already been stated by Bob Lutz that the "V" cannot be converted to RHD.

You mean the 06's? Still selling new. Never was a program for a new edition, not even based on the Camaro. But this, this spells GTO for et hfuture and hits Mustang squarely in the front fender brake vents.

Another article here http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/E940CDAA5E59B8DFCA2573FD007CF5B6

wow everybody is out to get the Mustang......i guess that is what happens when there is no competition for 4 years

(not directed to you, just general thinking of people here) why do you see so many Mustangs? it was the only choice for 4 years, don't hate on it just because GM nor Dodge had a V8 car for under 30k

after saying that, i would take a GTO over the new Mustang, but you can't just hate it because its every where

as much as i like this 60 coupe, i doubt that we will see it here anytime sooner than 2 years, it has not even gone into production anywhere, i hope im wrong cause i would like to see them on the road

ok :The_Villagers: me....

wwhys everyone hating on mustangs! lol (i drive one)

^^thats too bad for you then mate,....

This is just another classic expmple of the boys getting the right idea as far as design goes... thats thing is so sick.

SO the new big wig for GM Holden is a seppo!!! Interesting... anyone else see that?? And he said this is a present for the 60th ann to the WORLD!!! Not just back home.... I bet they do bring it over here but I bet the seats will be optional...

I want that frigin steering wheel in my G8:drool:

Are you saying somewhere out there dealers still have New 06 GTO's ?

Dealers still have new 05s, my cousin is picking one up this weekend. Black with red auto, 10 miles on it. They also have a yellow with 100 miles on it

There is already a petition started to build it:

http://www.petitiononline.com/coupe60/petition.html

Hope this makes it into the Pontiac lineup!



DONE . . .

Subtract the gee-whiz, show-car tricks (side exhaust, rear diffuser tray, flat-bottom steering wheel, etc.) and you are looking at the car we called the GMX282 program (AKA GTO) until March, 2005, when both this and the sedan version were cancelled. Remember we were going to build these in North America originally, not in Adelaide, which hurt the business case at that time.

I agree on the looks - this coupe is so well integrated from every view. Problem was, US Design was busy adding phoney hood scoops and other GTO "cues" right before the project was cancelled, which ruined the purity of the Holden design concept.

Kudos to Holden Design for showing this car finally, but it has some strikes against it on the road to production:
1. CAFE rules make cars like this seem like dinosaurs.Yes, it would be low-volume, so it wouldn't affect CAFE too much, but that argues against a reasonable business case for the project.
2. Since this was styled back in 2004 (yes, 2004), the public might reject this "old" design, just like they did the first-gen GTO, which had been on the Oz market for two years before we got it.
3. Chevy outmuscled Pontiac and displaced this coupe with their Camaro concept; is there room in the market (read: enough sales) for two GM coupes?

Subtract the gee-whiz, show-car tricks (side exhaust, rear diffuser tray, flat-bottom steering wheel, etc.) and you are looking at the car we called the GMX282 program (AKA GTO) until March, 2005, when both this and the sedan version were cancelled. Remember we were going to build these in North America originally, not in Adelaide, which hurt the business case at that time.

I agree on the looks - this coupe is so well integrated from every view. Problem was, US Design was busy adding phoney hood scoops and other GTO "cues" right before the project was cancelled, which ruined the purity of the Holden design concept.

Kudos to Holden Design for showing this car finally, but it has some strikes against it on the road to production:
1. CAFE rules make cars like this seem like dinosaurs.Yes, it would be low-volume, so it wouldn't affect CAFE too much, but that argues against a reasonable business case for the project.
2. Since this was styled back in 2004 (yes, 2004), the public might reject this "old" design, just like they did the first-gen GTO, which had been on the Oz market for two years before we got it.
3. Chevy outmuscled Pontiac and displaced this coupe with their Camaro concept; is there room in the market (read: enough sales) for two GM coupes?

The Cadillac CTS would make the argument yes, there is room for two.

Room for three? Now that would probably be pushing it.

Does Holden have capacity to even run a Pontiac RWD coupe along with the other models? Assuming also this is sold as a Holden Monaro down under.

They would be building the Commodore, Lumina, G8, UTE, G8 ST, Monaro and G8 Coupe, plus others I'm sure that I'm unaware of or forgetting. Do they also build the Vauxhall?

Duh!

Anyone want a blue one I'll hook you up. (might finally be gone - was there before New Years, anyway - and it was there before Christmas)

Here's a quick photoswap into a LHD.

http://www.g8board.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=396&stc=1&d=1204294098

Sure give us the info on the new 2006 Blue GTO you know about. Very interested.

You're making it like they build each car on a separate line. No.

If they tool up for a Manaro, then they could tool up for a G8 Coupe (assuming it was even planned). ITs not "would they have enough capacity?" Its "Would they have enough volume."

If the demand is there, they will build it. If not, they won't.

*See my post in the lounge* :)

Subtract the gee-whiz, show-car tricks (side exhaust, rear diffuser tray, flat-bottom steering wheel, etc.) and you are looking at the car we called the GMX282 program (AKA GTO) until March, 2005, when both this and the sedan version were cancelled. Remember we were going to build these in North America originally, not in Adelaide, which hurt the business case at that time.

I agree on the looks - this coupe is so well integrated from every view. Problem was, US Design was busy adding phoney hood scoops and other GTO "cues" right before the project was cancelled, which ruined the purity of the Holden design concept.

Kudos to Holden Design for showing this car finally, but it has some strikes against it on the road to production:
1. CAFE rules make cars like this seem like dinosaurs.Yes, it would be low-volume, so it wouldn't affect CAFE too much, but that argues against a reasonable business case for the project.
2. Since this was styled back in 2004 (yes, 2004), the public might reject this "old" design, just like they did the first-gen GTO, which had been on the Oz market for two years before we got it.
3. Chevy outmuscled Pontiac and displaced this coupe with their Camaro concept; is there room in the market (read: enough sales) for two GM coupes?

That's the problem with GM - it takes waaay too long to get a car into production. One of the mistakes that Lutz talks about the GTO is that it was a dated design by the time it got to the US. The bean counters still control the company to its own detriment - in this day and age of CAD/CAM it shouldn't take five years from idea to job #1. Look at the Camaro, they're still messing with it.

Look at the Camaro, they're still messing with it.

And will be for at least another year!:dunno:

The Cadillac CTS would make the argument yes, there is room for two.

Room for three? Now that would probably be pushing it.

Does Holden have capacity to even run a Pontiac RWD coupe along with the other models? Assuming also this is sold as a Holden Monaro down under.

They would be building the Commodore, Lumina, G8, UTE, G8 ST, Monaro and G8 Coupe, plus others I'm sure that I'm unaware of or forgetting. Do they also build the Vauxhall?

This car will be built in The States. Even the RHD versions. This allows the car to be sold in the US market at descent volumes without pissing off the Auto Union like the first Monaro did. Holden will then ship directly to Oz and other countries (UAE, Saudi, NZ, Sth Africa, UK etc....) from the production facility sateside.
This car WILL happen and is basically production ready. Both LS7 and LS2 already fit into the front end of the car, no worries. I know they messed with the LS3 as well, but emmissions were going to be a show stopper. This will happen boys. Mark my words.

The Cadillac CTS would make the argument yes, there is room for two.

Room for three? Now that would probably be pushing it.

Does Holden have capacity to even run a Pontiac RWD coupe along with the other models? Assuming also this is sold as a Holden Monaro down under.

They would be building the Commodore, Lumina, G8, UTE, G8 ST, Monaro and G8 Coupe, plus others I'm sure that I'm unaware of or forgetting. Do they also build the Vauxhall?

One more thing, the sorts of volumes that having you Yanks pumping these puppies out, would have an extremely beneficial effect on price.

Seems like a no-brainer to me. Camaro on the low end (for the younger, more "extreme" generation that are more interested in styling than function; $25K to $32K), G8 Coupe for the more sophisticated crowd (less compromised and better equipped; $28K to $36K); and CTS Coupe at the top end ($35K to $45K; $55K for CTS-V Coupe). Seems like to me that the hard work is done... just build 'em!

My autoshow photos - It is an amazing looking vehicle.

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Hey isszy, looks like there's an interested crowd there,too.

I didn't want to see those. They just make me want the car even more. :comp:

Hey isszy, looks like there's an interested crowd there,too.

Yep - Ford released its brand new Falcon range, and it was line ball as to who got more interest.

Isszy, thanks for sharing the autoshow photos. Us Seppos appreciate it, and we'll try not to drool too much :)

We'll see, of course, if this coupe ever gets to production. Right now, I'd say the odds are stacked against it:
1. Camaro is coming (also a coupe)
2. The design would be several years old by the release date
3. CAFE is coming

Think of this as I did at the time - the Camaro effectively supplanted this car in the portfolio.

Wow, that is one gorgeous work of art!!! :thumbs:

There is already a petition started to build it:

http://www.petitiononline.com/coupe60/petition.html

Hope this makes it into the Pontiac lineup!

Signed! :D

Think of this as I did at the time - the Camaro effectively supplanted this car in the portfolio.

It's this reason that I have had such high hopes for Alpha. But, when CAFE results were implemented, GM got gunshy. They are going to spend on R&D in order to prepare for the year 2020. In the meantime, let us have cars that are fun. If we want to drive a gas hog, the government already has a gas-guzzler tax. The Alpha 2-door Pontiac would be like the last body style of Grand Am (in size, not style). But, it would be in RWD (for performance) & offer V6 power (& hopefully V8). It wouldn't step on the toes of the Camaro.

That looks even more like a BMW than the sedan!

We'll see, of course, if this coupe ever gets to production. Right now, I'd say the odds are stacked against it:
1. Camaro is coming (also a coupe)
2. The design would be several years old by the release date
3. CAFE is coming

Think of this as I did at the time - the Camaro effectively supplanted this car in the portfolio.

We need to clear up some reality here. Whether or not this car goes into production is beside the point. But if it doesn't, it won't be due to any of the reasons you mention. Let me explain.
1. Camaro is a retro style coupe and targeted to a completely different market. (By the way, we designed and built that car here in Australia.) The US market is also big enough for GM to carry the Holden Coupe. After all, you are a country thyat has so many models per manufacturer, it's plain ridiculous. Corvette, Coupe 60, Camaro & CTS. Nice line up. Secondly on this point, American car companies do not, as a rule, make global cars. I.e - RHD cars.
2. Every car design is several years old by the time it gets released. It's just that you don't get to see it until they hit the market. eg - Holden is already well on the way in design and business case on the model that will replace current VE/G8. In fact. all manufacturers are working on 2015 release cars right now.
3. GM is already taking CAFE into consideration in future engines and drivetrains. As are all auto maufacturers. We just don't know about the future engines yet as that technology is kept under wraps as tightly as a new car design.
So, the reasons you state are nothing to worry about. I, personally, believe that the car will be made as it's ready to be produced on the G8 production line and tooling for body panels is nearly there. As I have mentioned previously, the car will be made in the US. Not Australia. The car will also be made for other markets around the world. Holden has never relied on the US market to justify producing a car and it won't start now.

This thing looks so sweet, but it would defeat the purpose for me. I need a 4-door next :(

I would seriously consider the new coupe over a Camaro if they would consider building it.

Repost on this board?
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Repost on this board?


Hey, there's a great candidate for the Grand Prix Type SJ!!

Hey, there's a great candidate for the Grand Prix Type SJ!!

LOL! The names of Grand Prix and Grand Am have been permanently trashed by Pontiac and the Rental car companies. Maybe in 20 yrs IF Pontiac is still around, they might be able to use it.

Repost on this board?

Yep. Repost.

i would take this over the new Camaro, too bad i like the G8 GT better.....four doors are better than two
This IS Holden's answer to our Camaro!

Holden has never relied on the US market to justify producing a car and it won't start now.

Agreed on the first part, but if I bet GM/Holden will be relying heavily on the second for production to go ahead. Mainstream/niche Holden cars made at the Elizabeth plant will continue to rely on expanding overseas markets to justify production. There is no way known the Coupe 60 would be made without a serious export market.
This time round it will be all about numbers.
Just my humble opinion.

Agreed on the first part, but if I bet GM/Holden will be relying heavily on the second for production to go ahead. Mainstream/niche Holden cars made at the Elizabeth plant will continue to rely on expanding overseas markets to justify production. There is no way known the Coupe 60 would be made without a serious export market.
This time round it will be all about numbers.
Just my humble opinion.

Olly, is there any talk, or even a prospect, that GM/Holden will expand its assembly plant facilities for the purposes of increasing production of exports and the diversification of models? With only the Elizabeth plant to do all the assembly, I would think the demand could very easy outstrip the ability of Holden to produce all of the demand required by the G8 models, and its cousins worldwide. I also have read it has two shifts putting out the product now, and that a third shift is in the works. Could this be a result of the SLOW buildup of G8s for the introduction, and what appears to be a delay until next year of the G8 ST into the dealership mix?:dunno:

If you remember they put on a 3rd shift when the GTO was being built, so this option would be easy if demand required it. At this stage I personally haven't heard of any plans for expansion.

This time round it will be all about numbers.
Just my humble opinion.

That's a damn shame, but most people understand. If they sell only 5% of what they had produced, that's a ton of money wasted. I can bet that GM won't even look in the Coupe 60's direction until they get results from G8 sales.

I agree with Olly's summation. Holden has been gearing up to do expensive development but for these developments to succeed they have to have global sales.

The way Holdens design team functions seems to have changed about 10 years ago. Before Mike Simcoe's Commodore Coupe was displayed at the Sydney motor show in 2000 (or 2001 - not sure which) there was no such thing as an Australin 'concept' car. If we were lucky they would wheel out some dog eared 3 year old concept that had done the Euro or American circuit, or they would whack some stripes and a set of mags on a Torana and call it a 'concept'.

The only exceptions to this I can remember were the Hurricane, which was nothing more than a styling exercise, and the GTR-X which almost made production before Holden chickened out.
http://www.ls1-australia.com/vxchev8/torana/70_holden_gtr-x_cncpt_manu-01.jpg

There now seems to be a purpose to everything they produce, and not just for Australia (the GMC Denali concept is a Holden design)

There now seems to be a purpose to everything they produce, and not just for Australia (the GMC Denali concept is a Holden design)

Isszy, could that be GM's new found dedication to globalization of everything they do? Didn't they announce recently that Holden would be their global designer of RWD vehicles? That could very well be the reason for there being more emphasis on purpose to the concepts?:dunno:

I will answer this but I am sure Isszy has an opinion as well. Isszy hit the nail on the head with the word "purpose". As with most concepts, GM Global are testing the water with the Coupe 60. It will be a focal agenda point on GM's calendar in the states within a very short time span and don't be surprised to see the actual concept car surface in the states for "research & evaluation". BBBGXP, yes Holden have been given the RWD job for global markets and this time they won't be bitten like they were with the GTO.

With this in mind, the arguments for the Coupe 60 being the new GTO are then very defendable and possibly even promotable from a forum standpoint. So talking up the rebirth of the GTO maybe the next big thread even on the G8 forum? That would be a great development, but how long do we have to wait? The G8 hype has been building for nearly a year until this last week, when we actually get to see the car in the flesh, so to speak. If we go through the same dragged out release on the Coupe 60/GTO, oil prices could price it out of all but the very top of the assumed target market it would be promotable in; i.e., the 45-55 year olds with incomes of $70-100K. Being able to afford to purchase/lease the car is just the beginning as most of us know. In today's world being able to afford the insurance, maintenance and above all the fuel to run it are equally high priorities when considering what car you purchase. Afterall, being able to have a new GTO is great, but it being a driveway decoration is not what most would want to purchase it for.:gears:

Earliest you would see a coupe 60 would be 2010 and the green light would have to be given now for that to happen.

I will answer this but I am sure Isszy has an opinion as well. Isszy hit the nail on the head with the word "purpose". As with most concepts, GM Global are testing the water with the Coupe 60. It will be a focal agenda point on GM's calendar in the states within a very short time span and don't be surprised to see the actual concept car surface in the states for "research & evaluation". BBBGXP, yes Holden have been given the RWD job for global markets and this time they won't be bitten like they were with the GTO.

I'd love to see the Coupe 60 for myself. It would easier on me if GM brought it across the ocean. :D Plus, you have to admit, the Monaro/GTO wasn't originally expected to be brought to the US. Bitten is not the word I would have used. Unable to forsee future markets, perhaps.

This car will be built in The States. Even the RHD versions.

i seriously doubt it.

many parts would be carried over from the VE/G8, so it would make sense that they all get produced, delivered and assembled in the one place.

Holden currently only run 2 shifts, but a 3rd shift was introduced when the GTO was announced, to keep up with numbers.

surely if there was a big enough business case for the coupe, not just australia and USA, but i'd think middle east, UK and possibly south africa, holden wouldn't think twice about picking up the former Mitsubishi employees who have recently been made redundant.

i think it will be built in elizabeth. there's a whole section thats been decommissioned since the last coupe ran out. strangely enough. coupe jigs were ripped out of the production line soon after the last of the gto was built. maybe they are retooling it for the next coupe?

It's enough to make this bloke move to Australia, as if the girl to guy ratio wasn't motivation in itself!

To The General,

Just a few more facts to add the discussion:

1. Car makers work about 4-5 years ahead, not 7-8, except for those in strategic planning, who have a very long-range view.
2. The body panels for the coupe are not production designed; what was shown at the car show was a one-off design exercise taken from the full size clay scans
3. Oh, the Camaro has much to do with whether this coupe will ever see production. Coupes have a relatively short lifespan in most markets - its a gamble financially to introduce this bodystyle
4. Car building is a business for GM, remember. CAFE requirements will certainly help dictate the future portfolio.

i seriously doubt it.

many parts would be carried over from the VE/G8, so it would make sense that they all get produced, delivered and assembled in the one place.

Holden currently only run 2 shifts, but a 3rd shift was introduced when the GTO was announced, to keep up with numbers.

surely if there was a big enough business case for the coupe, not just australia and USA, but i'd think middle east, UK and possibly south africa, holden wouldn't think twice about picking up the former Mitsubishi employees who have recently been made redundant.

Mate, I'll explain. Once numbers get to a certain point as far as US G8's are concerned, there are a number of benefits if they swap RHD production State side. They are as follows:
1) The very powerful & influential American Auto Union will not allow more than a certain number cars to be imported into the US by an American company such as GM. Their argument is that if there is a market for that many here, and they're American owned, then they must be built here. They did it to us with the Monaro when they capped US exports to 18,000 p.a. and then, I think, moved it up to 30,000. If the US market needs more G8's, which they will, they'll have to be built there.
2) Adelaide can't handle those sorts of numbers on top of the local and other international markets she has to provide for. They are alredy at 2 shifts per day and have room for only one more.
3) When the G8's are built in the States, they will build all RHD versions for all RHD markets. Adelaide will build all LHD versions, which may I add, is a fair number in itself. Particularly when the UK etc start ordering them in descent numbers.
3) The Australian dollar is going to cause us big problems if it keeps performing this strong against the US dollar. Our cars, as will all of our export (wheat, wool, gold, coal, beef, etc...) will become too expensive to buy for our international customers.
4) I haven't even gone into the ute, sportswagon or any other potential models for the future. They just make my theory more robust via their influence on the numbers.
And that is exactly what we're talking about. This is all about numbers and scales of economy.
So, mate, I still believe that GM and Holden for that matter, have a thousand reasons to pump G8's down a production line over the pond. Cheaper, easier, faster, labour, local $$, RHD, capacity, export, ute, sportswagon, coupe ?, etc etc................
And I personally think it's a good thing. BMW does it as does Toyota and many other truly global car makers.

3) When the G8's are built in the States, they will build all RHD versions for all RHD markets. Adelaide will build all LHD versions, which may I add, is a fair number in itself. Particularly when the UK etc start ordering them in descent numbers.

Umm, you do your case some disservice by claiming RHD will be built in the States and LHD here in Oz.. I suspect you mean the other way around, given the prevailing requirements of driving on the right in the US and on the left here (so the steering wheel is mounted on the opposite side to the side of the road you drive on)?

And really you should say Elizabeth rather than Adelaide...

http://blogs.highperformancepontiac.com/6235964/miscellaneous/what-else-is-up-pontiacs-sleeve/index.html

Simply stunning!

To The General,

Just a few more facts to add the discussion:

1. Car makers work about 4-5 years ahead, not 7-8, except for those in strategic planning, who have a very long-range view.
2. The body panels for the coupe are not production designed; what was shown at the car show was a one-off design exercise taken from the full size clay scans
3. Oh, the Camaro has much to do with whether this coupe will ever see production. Coupes have a relatively short lifespan in most markets - its a gamble financially to introduce this bodystyle
4. Car building is a business for GM, remember. CAFE requirements will certainly help dictate the future portfolio.

I understand what you're saying mate, but we're in a little bit of a different situation here. Let me explain:
1) We're talking about a front engined V8, rear wheel drive coupe for around USD$30 -40K right? What else is on the market, globally, that competes with that? This coupe's life began in 2002 as did the VE/G8. Maybe that's been the problem with American cars of late? Not worked on and developed thoroughly enough and for long enough. And I'm not taking the piss mate. Just stating facts.
2) Tooling for the original Monaro has been removed from Adelaide and is currently being retooled for the Coupe 60. Fact. By the way, with all due respect, how are you going to know that from the US? Respect mate. Not having a go (taking the piss)
3) Absolutely, car building is a business for GM. In light of the pain GM has been through in recent years for various reasons, a "hero" car is exactly what it needs to help generate revenue and market excitement. Don't forget, the Coupe would sell in countries that the Camaro would never be offered in. And visa versa of course. We build quality cars here in Oz very cheaply my friend. So much so that Holden is one of the very few areas of GM that actually makes a profit worldwide. Mind you, I believe that the G8 and all it's derivatives in LHD will be built in the US/Canada in the not too distant future. But that's another argument. Oh, by the way, tell BMW, Merc and Porsche that coupes have a relatively short life span. Particularly Beemer. They must have been sick the day they taught that at the "how to run a car company" course. I agree as far as crappy coupes have a short life span. Corvette comes to mind as an extremely succesful coupe for, say, the last 60 odd years. Say no more.
4) CAFE is top priority for the powertrain division of every car manufacturer including GM. Let them do what they have to do. BMW etc are succeeding. GM will as well. 2 or 4 doors doesn't matter does it?
Mate, all BS aside, this is the sort of stuff you Yanks need to embrace again. You've lost it for years. This is the stuff US car companies need to learn to be the best at in the world. Like they last were in the 60's & early 70's. Stop looking for resons not to build a beautiful car, whatever it is, and look for reasons why you SHOULD build it. Passion mate. Emotion. That sells cars.

Umm, you do your case some disservice by claiming RHD will be built in the States and LHD here in Oz.. I suspect you mean the other way around, given the prevailing requirements of driving on the right in the US and on the left here (so the steering wheel is mounted on the opposite side to the side of the road you drive on)?

And really you should say Elizabeth rather than Adelaide...

Umm. Yes sorry. One too many beers when writing I think. You know what I mean.:nuts:

I'd love to see the Coupe 60 for myself. It would easier on me if GM brought it across the ocean. :D Plus, you have to admit, the Monaro/GTO wasn't originally expected to be brought to the US. Bitten is not the word I would have used. Unable to forsee future markets, perhaps.

And having said that, the Monaro was only ever pitched as a concept with no plans for production as well. The coupe60 will be built.

I understand what you're saying mate, but we're in a little bit of a different situation here. Let me explain:
1) We're talking about a front engined V8, rear wheel drive coupe for around USD$30 -40K right? What else is on the market, globally, that competes with that? This coupe's life began in 2002 as did the VE/G8. Maybe that's been the problem with American cars of late? Not worked on and developed thoroughly enough and for long enough. And I'm not taking the piss mate. Just stating facts.
2) Tooling for the original Monaro has been removed from Adelaide and is currently being retooled for the Coupe 60. Fact. By the way, with all due respect, how are you going to know that from the US? Respect mate. Not having a go (taking the piss)
3) Absolutely, car building is a business for GM. In light of the pain GM has been through in recent years for various reasons, a "hero" car is exactly what it needs to help generate revenue and market excitement. Don't forget, the Coupe would sell in countries that the Camaro would never be offered in. And visa versa of course. We build quality cars here in Oz very cheaply my friend. So much so that Holden is one of the very few areas of GM that actually makes a profit worldwide. Mind you, I believe that the G8 and all it's derivatives in LHD will be built in the US/Canada in the not too distant future. But that's another argument. Oh, by the way, tell BMW, Merc and Porsche that coupes have a relatively short life span. Particularly Beemer. They must have been sick the day they taught that at the "how to run a car company" course. I agree as far as crappy coupes have a short life span. Corvette comes to mind as an extremely succesful coupe for, say, the last 60 odd years. Say no more.
4) CAFE is top priority for the powertrain division of every car manufacturer including GM. Let them do what they have to do. BMW etc are succeeding. GM will as well. 2 or 4 doors doesn't matter does it?
Mate, all BS aside, this is the sort of stuff you Yanks need to embrace again. You've lost it for years. This is the stuff US car companies need to learn to be the best at in the world. Like they last were in the 60's & early 70's. Stop looking for reasons not to build a beautiful car, whatever it is, and look for reasons why you SHOULD build it. Passion mate. Emotion. That sells cars.

1. Mustang, Challenger (sure, both US only, but only price competitive of the lot as a V8 BMW or Audi is well north of $40k), Hyundai Genesis coupe (just unveiled and as does Genesis sedan will slot slightly higher price in US than Coupe 60)

2. Did I miss the official "yes we are building it" press item? I thought the Coupe 60 was no closer to production than the CTS coupe.

3. BMW teaches the "course". Humble rebirth after the big war and souping up imported microcars from Isetta to some gorgeous coupes in the '70s we never hear much about to the current crop of M's, that in either coupe or sedan require 2 extra cylinders, 100 more horses, and $30k more USD in order to best the G8 GXP or Coupe 60 GXP yet to come (in acceleration and handling, not in creature comforts and complicated dash controls). You cut your manufacturing abilities short when you suggest you will only continue to design and not build for export.

4. Number of doors is, I agree, immaterial to CAFE or emissions laws anywhere on the planet. Unless the coupe version of a vehicle is shorter, narrower, lighter, more aerodynamic, and thus more frugal with same powertrain. Prime example is the Corvette mentioned several times, as it would be absolutely impossible for a G8 with the exact LS3 to get same mpg as the 'vette, one of the primary reasons in my book that it is rated less in the GXP as we are hauling around several hundred more pounds and present to the wind a comparative shoebox.

And having said that, the Monaro was only ever pitched as a concept with no plans for production as well. The coupe60 will be built.

Don't tease me. :boink:

3) When the G8's are built in the States, they will build all RHD versions for all RHD markets. Adelaide will build all LHD versions, which may I add, is a fair number in itself. Particularly when the UK etc start ordering them in descent numbers.
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But will they? The reason they are taking in only the small amount they are, is because is somthing to do with a crash testing rule. I don't know that they have the demand to go through with it. Maybe if it were offered with a turbo 4 as is the current speculation. But then, why would ppl buy a turbo 4 VE instead of a more sophisticated Insignia (i would, but thats just me).

But will they? The reason they are taking in only the small amount they are, is because is somthing to do with a crash testing rule. I don't know that they have the demand to go through with it. Maybe if it were offered with a turbo 4 as is the current speculation. But then, why would ppl buy a turbo 4 VE instead of a more sophisticated Insignia (i would, but thats just me).

By the way I had one too many beers when I was carrying on about what side the steering wheel was on. I got it totally ass about. RHD to be built in Elizabeth, South Australia and for all other RHD markets, and LHD to be built in either Canade or the US for all LHD markets. There. I finally got it right. I think.:embarrassed: Oh yeah, the VE/G8 has been designed from the word go to meet all crash testing requirements for the foreseeable future. An example of that was the complete re-engineering of the ass end of the Monaro. They moved the fuel tank further forward to meet US design regulations. So all cool.

1. Mustang, Challenger (sure, both US only, but only price competitive of the lot as a V8 BMW or Audi is well north of $40k), Hyundai Genesis coupe (just unveiled and as does Genesis sedan will slot slightly higher price in US than Coupe 60)

2. Did I miss the official "yes we are building it" press item? I thought the Coupe 60 was no closer to production than the CTS coupe.

3. BMW teaches the "course". Humble rebirth after the big war and souping up imported microcars from Isetta to some gorgeous coupes in the '70s we never hear much about to the current crop of M's, that in either coupe or sedan require 2 extra cylinders, 100 more horses, and $30k more USD in order to best the G8 GXP or Coupe 60 GXP yet to come (in acceleration and handling, not in creature comforts and complicated dash controls). You cut your manufacturing abilities short when you suggest you will only continue to design and not build for export.

4. Number of doors is, I agree, immaterial to CAFE or emissions laws anywhere on the planet. Unless the coupe version of a vehicle is shorter, narrower, lighter, more aerodynamic, and thus more frugal with same powertrain. Prime example is the Corvette mentioned several times, as it would be absolutely impossible for a G8 with the exact LS3 to get same mpg as the 'vette, one of the primary reasons in my book that it is rated less in the GXP as we are hauling around several hundred more pounds and present to the wind a comparative shoebox.


The issue we have is the Aussie dollar mate. It's nearing up to $1 for $1 with the greenback. This is great when us Aussies want to head over to the US for a beer, but it kills us with our exports. Wool, wheat, beef, coal, etc......and VE/G8's. If they build the left hookers in the US, the per unit cost won't fluctuate with the Australian Lira and the car will also be cheaper for you guys. It just makes long term sense on a global scale.

Reported in the Sydney newspaper today.......
"Fuel economy concerns have led to the stunning Coupe 60 project being given the thumbs down by General Motors global product development vice-president Bob Lutz. Even before Holden has conducted its own business case on the new-age Monaro, Lutz says its was not going to happen, at least in the medium term. The problem with it is that it is one of those projects like the Corvette C7 that has to be put on the back burner as we wrestle with this whole fuel economy equation."

Well, what a surprise! Your Coupe60 is being produced soon;they call it a Camaro. That was what happened when the GTO was cancelled.

If you ask the general, they are all ready retooling the assembly plant for the Coupe 60.

Could that happen? Sure, but neither the Coupe body panels nor the interior bits are shared with the sedan, so how do you think that business case looks, especially at the much-lower Coupe volumes?

The article goes further.
"Lutz says research and development resources will now be directed away from sporty cars. We are going to be inventing so many hybrid systems for so many vehicles and going to transmissions with a lot more gears than six, all in the name of meeting fuel economy targets and then what has to be deferred is the stuff that we, as enthuasists, would all like to do like the Coupe 60 and the C7 before that. Former Holden design chief Mike Simcoe, who is now the executive director of GM exterior design, has stated that the Coupe 60 is unlikely to get up, but they hadn't given up hope. There are no plans but stranger things have happened he said. The largest current GM project is the Volt, a plug in hybrid scheduled for USA release 2010."

IF GM did any mid size coupe in the Pontiac line, they would use the g8 front end and lots of bits from the Camaro... EXACTLY like they did in the F-body....

The issue we have is the Aussie dollar mate. It's nearing up to $1 for $1 with the greenback. This is great when us Aussies want to head over to the US for a beer, but it kills us with our exports. Wool, wheat, beef, coal, etc......and VE/G8's. If they build the left hookers in the US, the per unit cost won't fluctuate with the Australian Lira and the car will also be cheaper for you guys. It just makes long term sense on a global scale.

General, do you actually have any inside information, or are you just guessing ? A couple of the people here do work at Holden and don't seem to be jumping on board with your version too quickly.

General, do you actually have any inside information, or are you just guessing ? A couple of the people here do work at Holden and don't seem to be jumping on board with your version too quickly.

Just rumour arounf the place mate. I'm hoping no-body sells their house based on what they read in these forums. I thought they were meant to be for discussion and passion about the VE/G8. Nothing more, nothing less. If theybuild it, half of us were right. If they don't, the half are right. :popcorn2:

If you ask the general, they are all ready retooling the assembly plant for the Coupe 60.

That's the rumour. But look, we lived through all of this "will we, won't we" crap from Holden with the Monaro. We also heard it all with the latest Torana. And low and behold, after Holden announcing that it WON'T build it, BANG!! Surprise. Not only was the Monaro built, but they're now jigging up numbers etc for the Torana. The sums add up, it's all about passion, it's the car Australia wants, too much interest to ignore, yada yada yada. They'll have an excuse to change their stance ready to go.
There's only a hand full of people that would know whether it's worth looking at producing the Coupe60. And we won't know until they want us to. Fact. So lets enjoy predicting and making argument why it SHOULD be done in hope that when the Aussie bean counters run the numbers, it all adds up in favour of the Coupe60. Regardless of what Lutz says.

For those people that want to keep up hope, Lutz has been known to throw a wet towel on projects so we don't get over-hyped.

For those people that want to keep up hope, Lutz has been known to throw a wet towel on projects so we don't get over-hyped.

He sure does. And sure has. But they need to. The Coup60 is still a fair way off. They don't need to be generating hype this early. Especially if best case has it launched here in Oz in 2011 or thereabouts. People just get frustrated. Look at what BMW's response was when the automotive world questioned them on whether they'd throw a V8 into the next M3. Their rsponse was an absolute "NO". And we all know how this story finishes....................:yumyum:

If Holden builds this they won't need the CTS coupe.

Holden will be developing a high output V6 for install in their equivalent of eth CTS-V. They will be getting teh DI version that we see here in 4 doors, but it's already been stated by Bob Lutz that the "V" cannot be converted to RHD.

That is fine, the CTS-V coupe has to be the worst abortion of a Caddy and AMC pacer I ever seen..Just horrible.

I signed the petition and would be in line:cartman:

The article goes further.
"Lutz says research and development resources will now be directed away from sporty cars. We are going to be inventing so many hybrid systems for so many vehicles and going to transmissions with a lot more gears than six, all in the name of meeting fuel economy targets and then what has to be deferred is the stuff that we, as enthuasists, would all like to do like the Coupe 60 and the C7 before that. Former Holden design chief Mike Simcoe, who is now the executive director of GM exterior design, has stated that the Coupe 60 is unlikely to get up, but they hadn't given up hope. There are no plans but stranger things have happened he said. The largest current GM project is the Volt, a plug in hybrid scheduled for USA release 2010."

WORST IDEA EVER

Don't forget, not too long ago I remember people writting on the forums about a story that GM is putting all its efforts to trucks and was shelving the RWD platforms. At the time, I said "don't worry the Aussie's have our back" (okay not those exact words, but the meaning was there). Now, I'm not saying anything about the coupe though. As much as I'd like it, the times are changing. Would it surprise me if in two years we see a concept car based off this with a hybrid system? No. Hopefully something will happen with it.

That is fine, the CTS-V coupe has to be the worst abortion of a Caddy and AMC pacer I ever seen..Just horrible.

I signed the petition and would be in line:cartman:



WORST IDEA EVER

Oh never mind............:censored:

That is fine, the CTS-V coupe has to be the worst abortion of a Caddy and AMC pacer I ever seen..Just horrible.

I signed the petition and would be in line:cartman:



WORST IDEA EVER

:nono: CTS-V Coupe is awesome, I saw it at the Chicago Auto Show.

I won't be buying a Coupe 60 since I will have a G8, but if money was no object...:gears:

If they get the design of the Volt right, price it reasonably, and gas prices continue to go up, I might be getting that as a daily driver and keep the G8 for weekends. Right now I'm planning on getting a MINI Cooper early next year as a daily driver for fuel economy and pure go-kart enjoyment. :drool:

For those people that want to keep up hope, Lutz has been known to throw a wet towel on projects so we don't get over-hyped.

Yup, also look at the 5th Gen Camaro. How long will it be from concept to showrooms? 3 years? GM says it will bring over the coupe 60 now, and it comes here as an '11 or '12 MY and that's an eternity.

i just looked at the camaro going some testing at the ring,sorry but that camaro looks just plain jane to me, looks the same as any other mustang or chrysler getting around at the moment, i just hope gm decide to give the coupe 60 [monaro gto ] the big green light imo this car is light years ahead of any coupe on the market today.

The camaro will be outdated before it ever hits a showroom. That's absurd. GM should sell the camaro at certified used car prices.

Worst concept-to-production transition ever.

1. Mustang, Challenger (sure, both US only, but only price competitive of the lot as a V8 BMW or Audi is well north of $40k), Hyundai Genesis coupe (just unveiled and as does Genesis sedan will slot slightly higher price in US than Coupe 60)

2. Did I miss the official "yes we are building it" press item? I thought the Coupe 60 was no closer to production than the CTS coupe.

3. BMW teaches the "course". Humble rebirth after the big war and souping up imported microcars from Isetta to some gorgeous coupes in the '70s we never hear much about to the current crop of M's, that in either coupe or sedan require 2 extra cylinders, 100 more horses, and $30k more USD in order to best the G8 GXP or Coupe 60 GXP yet to come (in acceleration and handling, not in creature comforts and complicated dash controls). You cut your manufacturing abilities short when you suggest you will only continue to design and not build for export.

4. Number of doors is, I agree, immaterial to CAFE or emissions laws anywhere on the planet. Unless the coupe version of a vehicle is shorter, narrower, lighter, more aerodynamic, and thus more frugal with same powertrain. Prime example is the Corvette mentioned several times, as it would be absolutely impossible for a G8 with the exact LS3 to get same mpg as the 'vette, one of the primary reasons in my book that it is rated less in the GXP as we are hauling around several hundred more pounds and present to the wind a comparative shoebox.

1. Jesus Christ. Lets move to the States. The BMW, Audi and Mustand V8's are WELL above the price of a bloody Commodore mate. As far as a Hyundai is concerned, I was unaware they built a V8. I was hopping we could restrict this discussion to quality automobiles. So lets remove the Hyundai and Mustang. OK?

2. I can't believe Lutz didn't email you personally. Just because it's not publicly announced, doesn't mean it's not happening. Too many examples to repeat in argument of this case.

3. Not quite sure what your point is. I think you were agreeing with me at the start. Then something about M's, $30K, 2 extra cylinders and manufacturing being cut short. I might let that one go through to the Keeper (Catcher).

4. CAFE is irrelevant in this argument. Particularly when you're arguing 2 doors vs four doors. Corvettes mpg is also irrelevant. We are discuusing the VE/G8. How does the VE/G8 go as far as CAFE is concerned? And more importantly, how would the Coup60 stack up? They are the questions that are relevant. Nice try buddy.

Agreed on the first part, but if I bet GM/Holden will be relying heavily on the second for production to go ahead. Mainstream/niche Holden cars made at the Elizabeth plant will continue to rely on expanding overseas markets to justify production. There is no way known the Coupe 60 would be made without a serious export market.
This time round it will be all about numbers.
Just my humble opinion.

I agree mate. And if this blog is anything to go by, I reckon we have one, don't we?
We stack the numbers on our cars better than anyone. The Seppo's, Rag-heads, Kiwis, Yarpies, Poms and every other country has always been icing on the cake. Beautiful story.But we've never actually relied on them.
Coup60 will be made mate. Trust me.

But will they? The reason they are taking in only the small amount they are, is because is somthing to do with a crash testing rule. I don't know that they have the demand to go through with it. Maybe if it were offered with a turbo 4 as is the current speculation. But then, why would ppl buy a turbo 4 VE instead of a more sophisticated Insignia (i would, but thats just me).

I don't understand the Turbo 4 thing mate. I'm assuming you're talking about a 4 cylider turbo charged motor. If that is the case, it would only, if ever, be offered in Europe and Asian countries like Singapore and Hong Kong where petrol costs $5/litre.
And if you see a Honda (I think that's what an Insignia is) compares with this car in any way, I want a pound of whatever you're on and a pound for my mate.

It is very difficult to extract serious horsepower from a small engine, either turbo or charged, without making a lot of noise. That's something the performance fans don't mind, but for a high volume, generic market (4 door sedans), it doesn't work. The Olds Cutlass Supreme tried the Quad4 for example. You have to spin those little mills way up to find power, and then you choke them down with exhaust restrictions so you can hear the $5,000 stereo? Doesn't make sense, and I don't know of many cars that have survived with little, high revving mills. May be done someday, but I'll never live to see it.

That would be such a sweet GTO!!! Wow....makes ya want to move to Aussie land! I agree that Holden could source or inspire some brilliant models to really boost and save Pontiac & GM....GM is giving Saturn some good European models Astra/Aura and these should have gone to Pontiac as I always felt GM should never have started Saturn (nor bought Saab or Hummer ) and instead concentrate on Chevy-Pontiac-Buick-GMC-Cadillac!

The camaro will be outdated before it ever hits a showroom. That's absurd. GM should sell the camaro at certified used car prices.

Worst concept-to-production transition ever.

coupe 60 is bad @ss.. but I dont agree with you on the camaro.. "outdated"? it has the latest Zeta platform with IRS. the mustang and challanger dont have IRS. "worst concept to production transition ever"?? the car is almost identical to the concept and I think looks great! you either dont know cars or have a severe bias opinion - either way comments like this just show your ignorance.

coupe 60 VIDEO! ----V
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I'd like to see that in the states.

coupe 60 is bad @ss.. but I dont agree with you on the camaro.. "outdated"? it has the latest Zeta platform with IRS. the mustang and challanger dont have IRS. "worst concept to production transition ever"?? the car is almost identical to the concept and I think looks great! you either dont know cars or have a severe bias opinion - either way comments like this just show your ignorance.

Wow, was that really necessary? You're responding to a 4 month old post and calling names.

As for being outdated - the comment was a jab :stickpoke: at GM for the length of time it is taking to bring the camaro to market. This vehicle has been a concept since at least 2004/2005. Transformer movie was out in 2007. And it is just coming to market as a 2010 model. Many automakers refresh their cars every 4-5 years, yet GM is just getting this thing to production in that timeframe. G8 (same platform) came to market within 24 months, so GM could have been a little more expedient with the camaro if they wanted to.

Having said that, I agree that the camaro styling is sharp and remained true to the concept (another reason it shouldn't have taken this long). And I agree on your statement regarding the platform comparison to mustang/challenger.

As for being outdated - the comment was a jab :stickpoke: at GM for the length of time it is taking to bring the camaro to market. This vehicle has been a concept since at least 2004/2005. Transformer movie was out in 2007. And it is just coming to market as a 2010 model. Many automakers refresh their cars every 4-5 years, yet GM is just getting this thing to production in that timeframe. G8 (same platform) came to market within 24 months, so GM could have been a little more expedient with the camaro if they wanted to.

It would seem that GM had other priorities, rightfully so, thus the long time to market. There's been a substantial strain on dollars being spent on development in general, reference the 10's of billions GM has lost over the last few years. For a truly niche car, Camaro isn't going to right the ship for GM. So one can logically see why in todays challenging market GM might be more vested in resouces and dollars with say the Volt, than the Camaro. The Volt has the potential to change the vehicle market as we know it, thus when prioritizing developement Camaro didn't and won't get as much attention as other vehicles with more revenue generating significance.

Wow, I have never agreed with a person as much as I agree with you on this subject. That would be such a sweet GTO!!! Wow....makes ya want to move to Aussie land! I agree that Holden could source or inspire some brilliant models to really boost and save Pontiac & GM....GM is giving Saturn some good European models Astra/Aura and these should have gone to Pontiac as I always felt GM should never have started Saturn (nor bought Saab or Hummer ) and instead concentrate on Chevy-Pontiac-Buick-GMC-Cadillac!

Wow, was that really necessary? You're responding to a 4 month old post and calling names.

As for being outdated - the comment was a jab :stickpoke: at GM for the length of time it is taking to bring the camaro to market. This vehicle has been a concept since at least 2004/2005. Transformer movie was out in 2007. And it is just coming to market as a 2010 model. Many automakers refresh their cars every 4-5 years, yet GM is just getting this thing to production in that timeframe. G8 (same platform) came to market within 24 months, so GM could have been a little more expedient with the camaro if they wanted to.

Having said that, I agree that the camaro styling is sharp and remained true to the concept (another reason it shouldn't have taken this long). And I agree on your statement regarding the platform comparison to mustang/challenger.

comparing the G8 time to market vs the camaro time to market is an unfair comparison - the G8 was a re-skinned holden using the same zeta chasis. The camaro was basically an all new car with a modified zeta (zeta II) platform. I agree gm took too long to bring the camaro to market - but better late than never. I think GM wanted to make extra sure it was 100% right. If GM prices the car right, it will be a smash hit and will very likely meet their target, selling 80k units in the first year.

Please build it gm.

Wow, was that really necessary? You're responding to a 4 month old post and calling names.

As for being outdated - the comment was a jab :stickpoke: at GM for the length of time it is taking to bring the camaro to market. This vehicle has been a concept since at least 2004/2005. Transformer movie was out in 2007. And it is just coming to market as a 2010 model. Many automakers refresh their cars every 4-5 years, yet GM is just getting this thing to production in that timeframe. G8 (same platform) came to market within 24 months, so GM could have been a little more expedient with the camaro if they wanted to.

Having said that, I agree that the camaro styling is sharp and remained true to the concept (another reason it shouldn't have taken this long). And I agree on your statement regarding the platform comparison to mustang/challenger.

Please provide an example of what time it takes other manufacturers to bring an all new car (the camaro is a modified zeta, now called zeta2 for oshawa) from green light to production.

The concept was introduced in January of 2006, not 2004/5. From the time they gave the green light for production in August of 2006 (they anticipated a 2008 production at that time), they will have production models ready by Fall/Winter of 2008 for GM staff for quality review and then available to the public in Spring of 2009 (2 years to production models rolling off the floor). Don't confuse seeing the concept as the beginning of how long it takes to develop the production car. For example, how many times has there been a acura nsx or toyota supra concept and no production car? That is because there is time involved in just getting the go-ahead to produce the car.

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Wow that is sweet looking. Just the thing to position Pontiac as an affordable BMW alternative. High class. Much better than a Pontiac knock off of the Camaro.

IMO - if GM would bring this to the states as a Buick Grand National (twin turbo DI V6 dressed in black only of course) it would be a much bigger seller than a pontiac G8 coupe. GM DOES NOT NEED ANOTHER V8 Coupe, not in this market with these gas prices.

^That would be nasty!

IMO - if GM would bring this to the states as a Buick Grand National (twin turbo DI V6 dressed in black only of course) it would be a much bigger seller than a pontiac G8 coupe. GM DOES NOT NEED ANOTHER V8 Coupe, not in this market with these gas prices.

Except for the vet does gm have a v-8 2dr out now? This thing would sell as a GTO because of looks, size will fit more people than the tight on the way Camaro and if they made it a hard top rather than a coupe...look out!

IMO - if GM would bring this to the states as a Buick Grand National (twin turbo DI V6 dressed in black only of course) it would be a much bigger seller than a pontiac G8 coupe. GM DOES NOT NEED ANOTHER V8 Coupe, not in this market with these gas prices.

They could use the Chinese Park Avenue front end. NIcer interior. INteresting but not sure Buick wants ultimate performance

Except for the vet does gm have a v-8 2dr out now? This thing would sell as a GTO because of looks, size will fit more people than the tight on the way Camaro and if they made it a hard top rather than a coupe...look out!

I dont feel, given todays economic environment, the market can handle another V8 coupe - we already have the mustang, challanger and soon the camaro. GM does not want to cut into the camaro sales. Camaro will be a big release for them next year.

And why do you think this looks like the GTO? It's a totally new design, and looks nothing like the current GTO. I actually like the coupe 60 design, unlike the GTO. The GTO was great on paper - but sales did not reflect that. The look failed the GTO.

Excuse me as I thought you said GM did not need another V-8 coupe....I tried to say This one would sell as a GTO...not that it looks like the failed GTO...failed due to looks...this has some looks to it, edge , etc...like the old goats did...
the cars you mention are all small inside...the old goats, roadrunners etc were large cars with some room...it would be nice to have a coupe or hard top with the front driver/passanger area room of the G-8...I doubt it will make it though...

check out this G8 coupe.

http://i37.tinypic.com/2n6vixe.jpg

That's an old photoshop. It's been shown for many months.

hmm, thats funny. i just did the photoshop, just a quick 5 minute job to see what it might look like. i guess if 30 minutes is considered old then yeah its old. never saw the other photoshoped one. anyway, i would love to see them produced.

hmm, thats funny. i just did the photoshop, just a quick 5 minute job to see what it might look like. i guess if 30 minutes is considered old then yeah its old. never saw the other photoshoped one. anyway, i would love to see them produced.

http://www.g8board.com/forums/showthread.php?p=15617

The door design look stolen from the Cadillac Converj.

Good Lord that is sick.....

GM really needs to let Holden start disigning more cars.

This could SERIOUSLY fit into Pontiacs lineup as a limited edition GTO (and keep the G8 GT and GXP as is).

Wow, Its as if im shocked, but I'm not Holden designs and builds a sick vehicle.

i for one think that GM would make a big mistake by calling this a GTO.

with how retro the new Camaro, Challenger, and Mustang all look it would be a HUGE mistake for pontiac to take a design that isn't inspired by the GTO at all and badge it as such.

The best possible GTO would be a coupe on the Zeta platform, like the Camaro, but with retro GTO styling. That would be the only faithful way to build a GTO.

What about to Chevy as a REAL MONTE CARLO SS....although it would compete with the Camaro. But this screams Monte SS.

i for one think that GM would make a big mistake by calling this a GTO.

with how retro the new Camaro, Challenger, and Mustang all look it would be a HUGE mistake for pontiac to take a design that isn't inspired by the GTO at all and badge it as such.

The best possible GTO would be a coupe on the Zeta platform, like the Camaro, but with retro GTO styling. That would be the only faithful way to build a GTO.

I like it. I want it. But not for $50K

I'd make it an STS coupe for Caddy. That way, it doesn't compete with the Camaro or the G8. Give BMW something to think about for the M5 and maybe make Lincoln put out that MKR. Sweet.

Not sure if it's been said already, but the Holden Coupe 60 Concept was actually made in Japan! A company that specializes in show cars was commissioned by Holden to make it :)

Just for clarification, if you take this concept car and delete the obvious concept details (side exhausts, strange steering wheel, etc.), you are looking at what was to be the new GTO/Monaro. Holden had the full-size clay styling model done in 2002, when the US team first traveled there. All was good until early 2005 when the financials didn't pencil doing both G8 and GTO in North America.
Chevy stepped in after the North American program was cancelled in Spring, 2005, and suggested a Camaro instead. The rest is history - that new Camaro should have been a GTO.

One please!

WOW! Can anyone say GTO!

Those aussies sure like their atari gages. lol

Looks great ! A cross breed between a G8, G6, and GTO

Not a GTO, GN, Monte SS etc. That car was obviously gonna be a v8, the GN cannot be a V8....it wouldnt make sense, GS maybe but not GN. The Monte Carlo SS is played out....the last designs have ruined the name. The GTO came out in 04 and dissappointed. How about bring something else into the picture. Nova SS? Buick GS or regal? Chevelle SS? Buick Wildcat? They cant make it a firebird....due to the fact that the Camaro and Firebird have always been stablemates and it just wouldnt make anysense to have a modern firebird and a retro camaro.......LETS JUST FACE IT, THIS CAR IS A WET DREAM AND WE WILL NEVER SEE IT. However we really could use that body kit for the G8's that we already have.

This car is really not that appealing to me. I'm happy with the G8.

no offense crazycreek but your crazy to say such a statement and i think i speak for everyone when i say i dont think you know exactly what you just said. this car is so fricken hot out of my mind that i dont you would know what to do with it if you where seating inside of it. no offense.

no offense crazycreek but your crazy to say such a statement and i think i speak for everyone when i say i dont think you know exactly what you just said. this car is so fricken hot out of my mind that i dont you would know what to do with it if you where seating inside of it. no offense.

No offense G8CrEppER, but I stand my comments.

I probably should have been more specific, that I will credit you on.

Exterior looks like sex. I love it. Hands down winner!

Interior looks like a G8 just with racing seats, a manual tranny and the worst center gauges I have ever seen. Looks like something out of a Honda/Nissan gone wrong. That steering wheel is just YUCKY! Reminds me of the pre-production 2010 Camaro steering wheel. If they sold the car as-is, the interior would have been a deal breaker for me if I had to choose between a G8 and that. Not to mention, I have never been a fan of the whole Carbon Fiber look. Too ricey for my tastes.

Sorry, if my opinion is different than everyone else who thinks that car is amazing, but I don't.

Guys, none of this matters. We'll never see it. End of story.

Guys, none of this matters. We'll never see it. End of story.

True that^^^

Pontiac is just a brand only us and our kids will remember (If we're lucky) and GM...although they're filing for the big "B", I'm totally confident they will emerge stronger. Lot's of thing are going to change.

Our government will not let one of the biggest names in all of America. Never.

I have the magnaflow too and love it, they are cheaper on ebay but I wanted a warranty(salt in winter kills an exhaust) so I got it here. magnaflow 15843 (http://magnaflowplanet.com/product.php?productid=6659), or you can try one of the vendors here, they are always running sales/specials. either way its a great system and very easy to install.

Guys, none of this matters. We'll never see it. End of story.

Why?

I could see this car as a GN with the Camaro V6 twin turbo in it.. Anyone feel this would be a hit?? 450 hp 20+ mpg.. I would be first on the list if GM would produce.

I love this car, makes me like my G8 even more just knowing that they are related.

Love it as well. Not crazy about the interior but I could put up with it to have such a sexy car.

I say offer it as a Caddy! If nissan can pull off the 370/g37, why cant GM do a Camaro/Caddy (Holden) Coupe? And, ofcourse, offer the 4 door version as the STS replacement

I'd choose that over the Camaro SS. It woulde be a nice Chevelle.

pontiac maybe dead, but with the state of GM and the american auto industry, buying holdens and rebadging them as a GM car is the best thing GM could do. look the commodore was a 1 billion dollar project, holden paid for it. and we get cars out of it for cheaper then they do down under. look GM doesnt have to design a car and spend millions of dollars on R&D. let another company design the cars and we will rebadge them and sell them in America, win win, deffently for a company that has a good following but no cash.

I'm hoping this is going to be our new Monte Carlo. I was so pissed when Chevy started to only make them with V6. This would be an awesome model to make for it just my two cents. I do believe I read somewhere to that Holden has a contract with GM so if the interest is high enough and I'm sure it will be cause of the G8. This car will show up on the floors but who knows I talk out of my arse some times.

Buick Riviera.

Make Buick what it should be.

Pillarless = :drool:

A no pillar Coupe would sell. A Buick or a Cadillac model would the likely ones. If Chevy took it, they would complain it takes away Camaro sales.
3.6DI as the base engine, then an LS3 with auto or stick as the top option. A turbo 4.8 V8 would be an interesting combo too.

Call it the Buick Skylark, and build GS and GSX performance variants. Another GM performance coupe besides the Camaro would be nice.

umm...isn't this basically a camaro w/ a nicer interior?

Didn't holden (or HSV) at one point make a version of the monaro in AWD w/ a turbo or SC? just curious

No, it isn't. It is basically a coupe version of our cars, with some racing items in it. The body could still go into production, or at least a version modified to the latest updates. Were Pontiac still around, it would still make a great GTO, and it would surely do well as a Chevrolet or Buick.

There is only 1 of these in exsistance and its in Australia. The Monaro chapter over there had their Monaro Nationals and they raffled off a ticket to sit in it and it went for over 500$, just to sit in it. The car is drop dead sexy and I would donate a testical for them to bring it here but as stated above it will never happen since Pontiac is dead and because the GTO did not sell as well as they wanted it to.

I'll bet its the new camaro platform.

Wow that looks amazing!!