<edit note this "dealer" jumped on another dealer's thread. strike 1, this "dealer" is selling at OVER msrp, strike 2, this "dealer" has insulted the membership strike 3> Is there a reason you are giving away the Pontiac G8 GXP? If you are,it doesn't seem you're much of a salesperson. I suggest you take some selling courses to learn how to build value in your product. As for me....go ahead and give your G8 GXP away. You won't have many. My dealership is on it's third one of seven that we get. A relative of a very famous GM employee gets number four at GMS pricing. The rest we have a second sticker of $10,000 over MSRP and we got that for the first two. We'll sit on the rest of em for a bit and get what we're asking once all of you "give away non-salesman" do your thing. Seriously....learn how to build value in your product. Price does'nt sell cars.....good salesmen sell cars.
BTW....we won't GMS or supplier price any of our remaining G8 GXP. As a dealer,we have the right to refuse to do that. The one I mentioned earlier was a free allocation from GM for this person.

Mr maxout, would you pay $10k over sticker for a car?
What brings more value to your cars over other dealers?

I must be missing something here. Does being even more "upside down" in a car purchase bring value...

The rest we have a second sticker of $10,000 over MSRP and we got that for the first two. We'll sit on the rest of em for a bit and get what we're asking once all of you "give away non-salesman" do your thing. Seriously....learn how to build value in your product. Price does'nt sell cars.....good salesmen sell cars.



Building value, price gouging or taking advantage? It's a fine line.

Let us know how much repeat business you do with the two people you sold cars for $10-15K more than everyone else who owns one paid or will pay. I bet they have great things to say about your dealership in a month or two.

Building value, price gouging or taking advantage? It's a fine line.

Let us know how much repeat business you do with the two people you sold cars for $10-15K more than everyone else who owns one paid or will pay. I bet they have great things to say about your dealership in a month or two.
Well.....The one I sold is already starting to send me customers. The customer also gets 100% of my undivided attention. Is it price gouging or is it building value and believing in the product that you have and taking great care of your customer? It's rare that you get to sell any vehicle and make a substantial profit on it. You're probably the one that grinds the salesperson and dealership down to a no profit deal and then wonder why that dealership went out of business and if you can get anyone to pay attention to you to give you great service. For every vehicle that we can make a substantial profit at we have to go through all the hoops to get other customers to buy a vehicle at a low to no profit deal.
The reality is this......it's a rule of supply and demand. If the G8 GXP is truly going to be a very limited production car(2000 or less per year)then the G8 GXP will retain a higher than normal value. Hopefully this is the course that GM takes with this car.
ANYBODY CAN GIVE CARS AWAY......and the salesperson that does that gets paid accordingly. I personally like the income I've made over the 21 years I've been in the Retail Automobile business....I didn't do it by giving cars away......I learned how to build value in my product and take care of my customers afterwards. My dealership will survive in these tough economic times because we do the right things in selling and our owner runs the business like a business. The Owner and his family has been doing it since 1964 and will more than likely be in business at least another 45 years. Our business is steady and hasn't dipped during the last 18 months.

Supply and demand... there are 28 GXP's within a 50 mile radius of where I live. And by the way, when I purchased my G8 the salesperson personally picked me up at the airport in San Antonio, I wrote a check, was on my way in about 20 minutes and during the entire time I had 100% of his attention.

Well.....The one I sold is already starting to send me customers. The customer also gets 100% of my undivided attention. Is it price gouging or is it building value and believing in the product that you have and taking great care of your customer? It's rare that you get to sell any vehicle and make a substantial profit on it. You're probably the one that grinds the salesperson and dealership down to a no profit deal and then wonder why that dealership went out of business and if you can get anyone to pay attention to you to give you great service. For every vehicle that we can make a substantial profit at we have to go through all the hoops to get other customers to buy a vehicle at a low to no profit deal.
The reality is this......it's a rule of supply and demand. If the G8 GXP is truly going to be a very limited production car(2000 or less per year)then the G8 GXP will retain a higher than normal value. Hopefully this is the course that GM takes with this car.
ANYBODY CAN GIVE CARS AWAY......and the salesperson that does that gets paid accordingly. I personally like the income I've made over the 21 years I've been in the Retail Automobile business....I didn't do it by giving cars away......I learned how to build value in my product and take care of my customers afterwards. My dealership will survive in these tough economic times because we do the right things in selling and our owner runs the business like a business. The Owner and his family has been doing it since 1964 and will more than likely be in business at least another 45 years. Our business is steady and hasn't dipped during the last 18 months.

Actually, I believe in making a deal that is fair to both parties. Your “substantial profit” had to come from someone.

For my last new car, I paid sticker to a dealer more than 100 miles away because he has taken care of me for years. (I continue to patronize the dealer in my hometown even thought I moved more than 10 years ago.) I would prefer to buy from this dealer now even thought I know it will cost more. If he had a G8, it would be mine. I have also been to the only Pontiac dealer were I currently live several times. He doesn’t have a car with the options I want and he doesn’t seem to be interested in getting one for me or I’d buy from him. If I’m not purchasing from a dealer with whom I have a relationship and/or expect to continue having a relationship, the purchase is just a transaction and it’s about price.

You fully understand Nino’s sales strategy and who he is servicing. You just don’t like it. That makes your attack and him all the more inappropriate and obvious. Did someone point out Nino’s deal when refusing to pay your markup? Did you have a hard time convincing him your "service" was worth 10-15K?


Also, the GXP is hot right now but I don’t believe it will be that rare or special long-term.

Actually, I believe in making a deal that is fair to both parties. Your “substantial profit” had to come from someone.

For my last new car, I paid sticker to a dealer more than 100 miles away because he has taken care of me for years. (I continue to patronize the dealer in my hometown even thought I moved more than 10 years ago.) I would prefer to buy from this dealer now even thought I know it will cost more. If he had a G8, it would be mine. I have also been to the only Pontiac dealer were I currently live several times. He doesn’t have a car with the options I want and he doesn’t seem to be interested in getting one for me or I’d buy from him. If I’m not purchasing from a dealer with whom I have a relationship and/or expect to continue having a relationship, the purchase is just a transaction and it’s about price.

You fully understand Nino’s sales strategy and who he is servicing. You just don’t like it. That makes your attack and him all the more inappropriate and obvious. Did someone point out Nino’s deal when refusing to pay your markup? Did you have a hard time convincing him your "service" was worth 10-15K?


Also, the GXP is hot right now but I don’t believe it will be that rare or special long-term.
Whether the GXP stays hot or not will depend on how limited GM makes the GXP. Nino's selling tactic cheapens the product and reduces the value of the vehicle long term. Ever wonder why a one year old used vehicle is worth 50 to 60 percent of the original MSRP? It's because of large rebates and give away artists. It deminishes the value of the vehicle.
High markups on new or specialty vehicles is nothing new. Ford had the Tbird in 2002 that was bringing $10,000 over MSRP for about a year....then they made too many of them and in the end they couldn't give them away. Same thing with Pontiac Solstice....it stayed hot for about 18 months. Nows there's way too many of them and it's a hard car to push out.
Tell me,if it's fair for the customer to buy a vehicle for invoice,or less,and have rebates and incentives why isn't it fair for a dealer to ask and hold the line on a limited type vehicle?

If you are dealing with a dealer 100 miles away because they take good care of you....bravo! Hold on to that relationship because that's tough to find....a dealer that cares and takes care of you. It's also very good that you are willing to pay a reasonable profit to that dealer. Most people will walk if they can save $100 100 miles away.....but then they wonder why they can't get decent service or why the dealer they bought from goes out of business. I wish everyone would buy at MSRP.....alot less dealers would be struggling or going out of business if that happened.

Supply and demand... there are 28 GXP's within a 50 mile radius of where I live. And by the way, when I purchased my G8 the salesperson personally picked me up at the airport in San Antonio, I wrote a check, was on my way in about 20 minutes and during the entire time I had 100% of his attention.
There are a total of 20 in the DFW area and 10 in San Antonio. That's all that the area will be getting......most aren't on the ground yet.....some will be 3 to 4 months out. My dealership,on Pontiac.com website, shows that we have 4 but we only have 1 on the ground. If you were out of the dealership in 20 minutes then your salesperson didn't do a proper delivery to you. Either your salesperson really didn't do his job or you're not being truthful....which is it? Also,what did you pay for the car? Never mind.....you wouldn't be honest anyway!
Car people not telling the truth.......the only ones that lie more than the car salesperson is the customer themselves!

Here we go. I by-passed the Business Manager because I wasn't financing the car or purchasing any other dealer added BS stuff. The salesperson did a great job of delivery, OnStar and XM was already setup, and car was ready to go. I purchased my 09 on July 31st, so I didn't get the deals going on now. Sticker was $34,110.00 and I paid $31,269.44 +TTL.

If was to purchase a loaded automatic GXP from you it would be $40,895.00 + your $10,000.00 BS markup for a total of $50,895.00.

For $19,625.56 I would be getting 12 more cubic inches, bigger brakes, and worse fuel economy. Oh, I forgot to mention something about better (?) delivery. Can you or someone help sell me the value.

Oh yeah... before you mention more horsepower, I'm picking up a new truck L76 engine this week which you can get a really good deal on since GM now has an over run of engines (think you can guess why). All I need to do is install a cam, slightly port the heads and intake for at least 500hp. I'm pulling out the original G8 engine out (to save it) and dropping in the truck engine.

And I'm not a liar.

I hope this is over so Nino can use this thread to sell cars.

Is there a reason you are giving away the Pontiac G8 GXP? If you are,it doesn't seem you're much of a salesperson. I suggest you take some selling courses to learn how to build value in your product. As for me....go ahead and give your G8 GXP away. You won't have many. My dealership is on it's third one of seven that we get. A relative of a very famous GM employee gets number four at GMS pricing. The rest we have a second sticker of $10,000 over MSRP and we got that for the first two. We'll sit on the rest of em for a bit and get what we're asking once all of you "give away non-salesman" do your thing. Seriously....learn how to build value in your product. Price does'nt sell cars.....good salesmen sell cars.
BTW....we won't GMS or supplier price any of our remaining G8 GXP. As a dealer,we have the right to refuse to do that. The one I mentioned earlier was a free allocation from GM for this person.

Your arguments that $10,000 over sticker is the right thing to do is not going to carry much weight on this forum.

It is "salesmen" like you that make me cringe when I want to buy a car.

You didn't even buy a GXP. Your 08 G8 GT is now worth about $18,000 at dealer auction. Taking the factory engine out means it will be worth much less....and when you blow out the computers even less. You really don't know what your talking about as far as the GXP verus a GT but that's okay because most of your spouted stats are wrong.

BTW....I can sell a new GT loaded up for around $24,000. Not that I will but I can to help with allocation for my dealership.

[quote=maxout;187128]Whether the GXP stays hot or not will depend on how limited GM makes the GXP. Nino's selling tactic cheapens the product and reduces the value of the vehicle long term. Ever wonder why a one year old used vehicle is worth 50 to 60 percent of the original MSRP? It's because of large rebates and give away artists. quote]

He is able to give such good prices because GM has discounted the crap out of them to move them. $3000 and $2000 cash back is for the dealer to use to reduce the price and help move the cars. If you have a problem with that go whine to GM, not Nino.

You didn't even buy a GXP. Your 08 G8 GT is now worth about $18,000 at dealer auction. Taking the factory engine out means it will be worth much less....and when you blow out the computers even less. You really don't know what your talking about as far as the GXP verus a GT but that's okay because most of your spouted stats are wrong.

BTW....I can sell a new GT loaded up for around $24,000. Not that I will but I can to help with allocation for my dealership.

This will be my last post on this subject.

1-My car is an 09 (not an 08) and I know what it's worth, it's been driven 6 mos and has 18,000 miles on it.
2-I have saved the original ECM and the original engine will be back in the car when I sell it.(I keep all the original parts for my cars)
3-The car will have 125-150,000 miles on it when I sell it in 4 years, so it won't be worth alot anyway.
4-Do you think I lied about the price I paid.(you mentioned I'm not honest)
5-Can you or someone correct me on the wrong stats I mentioned between an GT/GXP. (I forgot about the FE3 suspension, gas guzzler tax, and the 3.27 diff gears with the auto)
6-Since you mentioned I can now buy a loaded GT elsewhere for around $24k, why would I buy a GXP for more than double the price from you. (you still haven't sold me on value yet)
7-You never answered my question; Would you buy a GXP at $10k over MSRP.
8-Now I know where "maxout" came from since that's the way you price the cars you try to sell.

I bet alot of people are reading this thread and laughing their A$$'s off.

I really don;t understand maxouts problem. The market changes. For so long, dealers have had the upperhand -raping ignorant buyers. Its a new age, anybody with internet access knows what the best deal they can get before they even talk to a salesman. I think car salesman are bitter with technology. I feel that nino is embracing it and getting a leg up on the competition. And everyone and i mean everyone knows this is a buyers market. It doesnt matter if its cars, homes or even electronics. Its hard economic times and it becomes a buyers market. Supply and demand works both ways not always in favor of the retailer.

There are a total of 20 in the DFW area and 10 in San Antonio. That's all that the area will be getting......most aren't on the ground yet.....some will be 3 to 4 months out. My dealership,on Pontiac.com website, shows that we have 4 but we only have 1 on the ground. If you were out of the dealership in 20 minutes then your salesperson didn't do a proper delivery to you. Either your salesperson really didn't do his job or you're not being truthful....which is it? Also,what did you pay for the car? Never mind.....you wouldn't be honest anyway!
Car people not telling the truth.......the only ones that lie more than the car salesperson is the customer themselves!

What a way to spend the first post... Oh well, here goes...

So, what I really want to know is does you $10K mark-up come with lube or professionally delivered fellatio?

And ummm, in case you didn't know, you didn't "build" a darn thing, that would be the folks in the factories. You especially aren't "building" value, just a fat commission off of some poor shmuck who's got more money than he does sense.

The Grand Finale is you calling the customers bigger liars than salesman, directly after you say how well you treat your customers with your "100%" undivided attention. I think you missed your calling, I thought politicians were the biggest back-stabbing, double-talking folks out there...but you are giving them a serious run for their money.

Suffice it to say that I will buy from anyone else but you my friend.

[quote=G8RH8R;187391]What a way to spend the first post... Oh well, here goes...

So, what I really want to know is does you $10K mark-up come with lube or professionally delivered fellatio?


mchspd---

hahahahaha...you dealers are in for it. You sell Pontiac's and you speak as if you are selling limited production German cars. GM screwed you before you even got the product on the lots. The rest of us customers will get what we want at our price. O% and cash back and you are telling someone that its worth to spend $10K more...just to look good. Those are the idiots that helped themselves to the stupid finance situation we are all in. They dont have money, they only have a loan. The rest of us that make our money (earn it) have some value to it and would rather use to entertain us in our GXPs rather than listen to you tell us how to turn on the radio.

I have yet to be impressed by a Pontiac dealer. (Other than Nino's insight and info about GXP) Maxout, you take the cake! :slap:

[quote=maxout;187128]Whether the GXP stays hot or not will depend on how limited GM makes the GXP. Nino's selling tactic cheapens the product and reduces the value of the vehicle long term. Ever wonder why a one year old used vehicle is worth 50 to 60 percent of the original MSRP? It's because of large rebates and give away artists. quote]

He is able to give such good prices because GM has discounted the crap out of them to move them. $3000 and $2000 cash back is for the dealer to use to reduce the price and help move the cars. If you have a problem with that go whine to GM, not Nino.
He's able to give such good prices because he doesn't know how to present value in the product he sells. The problem with GM is they have too much management making too many decisions and not getting alot of the decisions right. See how much someone like Nino will help you after the sale. More than likely he'll be selling shoes at Macys in 6 months from now. I've seen so many Ninos over the years and blah blah blah poof....gone and you can't find him when you need him.

Who needs any of you? (salesmen)

Once we get the car, you have no answers. Never did, never will. We get the best deal we can and judge the dealership on its Service team.

[quote=G8RH8R;187391]What a way to spend the first post... Oh well, here goes...

So, what I really want to know is does you $10K mark-up come with lube or professionally delivered fellatio?


mchspd---

hahahahaha...you dealers are in for it. You sell Pontiac's and you speak as if you are selling limited production German cars. GM screwed you before you even got the product on the lots. The rest of us customers will get what we want at our price. O% and cash back and you are telling someone that its worth to spend $10K more...just to look good. Those are the idiots that helped themselves to the stupid finance situation we are all in. They dont have money, they only have a loan. The rest of us that make our money (earn it) have some value to it and would rather use to entertain us in our GXPs rather than listen to you tell us how to turn on the radio.

I have yet to be impressed by a Pontiac dealer. (Other than Nino's insight and info about GXP) Maxout, you take the cake! :slap:
And you're the dipstick going around telling everyone "I drive a vette" "A Chevette!" I'll let all you mooches buy from the Nino's and then the only GXP G8's left will be what I have. Then the ones that still want the GXP will pay my price or very close to it. You probably can't afford to buy steam off a hot lunch. Go back to the Ford board where you belong. Maybe they can point you to a buy here/pay here lot and find you a Pinto to match your Chevette. You'll probably screw that up and get the P.O.S. repo'd. You're from Texas so it figures. Maybe you can hitch a ride to your buddy Bush.

Maxout...you must be feeling the burn of the fall you are about to take....hahahaha!

So you've been selling cars for a long time, huh? hahaha. Man you have poise. Dont you know us Texans are sitting on oil money, when our caddies are getting repaired we take out our trucks and go muddin'. haha.

I have walked into Pontiac and seen the class acts they have selling the product. You just affirm the type.

You assume that we have no money and need a loan? You would be suprised to see the backgrounds of the people interested in a GXP. Why spend $65k on a 4 door M3 when I can go fire sale from a Pontiac dealer and get more space for the kids?

You are those guys still trying to sell beta vs vhs! Its okay go back and get the GED, it will class you up.

Lets be in agreement on two things.

1.There is more than one way to skin a cat. If you are buying a vehicle,the dealer will make it's money on a trade in,on financing and aftersale parts. The dealer that sells for low or no profit,does not take your trade in for the right price to make a good profit,doesn't have a business manager even attempt to sell any product and doesn't do much in aftersale parts....are doomed and if not out of business yet they will be soon.

2. You can't change rule number 1. The dealer has the advantage and you don't have a chance of getting something for nothing. The best you can hope for is that a dealer will make a fair deal for you and take care of you after the sale.

Why is it wrong for a dealer to make a huge profit on a hot new model on the market? If it is wrong isn't also equally wrong for the customers to continuously try and rip the dealer for little to no profit on most other products they sell? Wouldn't it be great if everyone would just buy a vehicle for MSRP and not have to haggle? I would gladly give up the huge profit on the hot new vehicle in exchange for the customer paying a fair profit (MSRP) on every transaction.

BTW...to set the record straight. The customer that did pay my price on the GXP G8 also gets my personnal service at anytime. He has my cell number. He calls me to handle getting tint on his vehicle. He calls me to get Lojack handled on his vehicle. He calls me to get chemicals done and stoneguard done on his vehicle. I personally go pick up his vehicle and leave him with a loaner car. In the future,whenever he wants his vehicle hand washed my dealership will take care of him. His first two years worth of LOF will be on us. That's why he's now refering friends and relatives to me. That's the difference between the Nino's out there and me and why I survive in the Car Business.

I really don;t understand maxouts problem. The market changes. For so long, dealers have had the upperhand -raping ignorant buyers. Its a new age, anybody with internet access knows what the best deal they can get before they even talk to a salesman. I think car salesman are bitter with technology. I feel that nino is embracing it and getting a leg up on the competition. And everyone and i mean everyone knows this is a buyers market. It doesnt matter if its cars, homes or even electronics. Its hard economic times and it becomes a buyers market. Supply and demand works both ways not always in favor of the retailer.
You really think the market has changed? Internet helps get information quicker to the customer but it's still filled with inaccurate statements. Look up three different car buying services and you'll get three different dollar amounts for the same car.

About 10 percent of the customers are about price being the first and only concern to buying a vehicle. An overwelming majority of customers will buy a vehicle from the saleperson that they like,knows the product well and will treat them well. If you're a 10 percent person,I don't need or want you. I'll take my chances with the other 90 percent.

It is a buyers market now......time will change that. Hopefully sooner than later. I've seen the retail market go around three different times in 21 years. I survive because I've got a good customer base and I have a clue as to how to present product plus take care of customers.

I still dont get this attack on nino. From what I can tell on your previous post you are not in Texas. So im sure Nino is not stealing any sales from you. You sell your cars at msrp and make your money and we savvy buyers will keep hard earned money in our pockets. I have yet to buy my g8, but me being a smart buyer, found this forum and signed up because I know forums have dealers that take care of members. That is the kind of buyer you find in these places. If you want to sell for msrp or more, you are in the wrong place. Any forum has dealers that take care of members: corvette, audi, bmw all these have forums with dealers on there that give good deals. We are the enemy for salesmen like you because we are informed. We have access to 100's of buyers who we can ask how much did you pay? and where? In the old days only knowing somone that has the same car as you could you find out what they paid. Age of technology. You have been a salesman a long time, tactics change. My problem is that you are posting all this in someone elses thread and find it very disrespectful. He is authorized by this forum to post and sell in the dealer area. You wouldnt like if you were trying to make a sale and some random guy walks up to your "mark" and tells them "hey I know where you can get this car for 10k below what he is offering", and hands him a card to another dealer. You sell your cars and let Nino sell his.

Nino Im sorry on behalf of all of us that have littered your thread. When I am ready to buy, which is this weekend I will be buying from you. I think maybe you should delete this thread and start another because all this is, is a thread full of some bitter salesman from who knows where, thats upset because he cant compete with you. I dont like people that sign up for forums who's sole purpose is to attack others. No use for people like that.

You really think the market has changed? Internet helps get information quicker to the customer but it's still filled with inaccurate statements. Look up three different car buying services and you'll get three different dollar amounts for the same car.

About 10 percent of the customers are about price being the first and only concern to buying a vehicle. An overwelming majority of customers will buy a vehicle from the saleperson that they like,knows the product well and will treat them well. If you're a 10 percent person,I don't need or want you. I'll take my chances with the other 90 percent.

You will find the people here are in the 10% you don't need or want, so there is no reason for you to post here, especially in someone else's thread. We take the effort to understand the cars on our own and don't need a scum bucket like yourself to mislead us with a bunch of dealer speak.

I'm sorry I started this shenanigans by asking maxout a couple of questions.

juspimpin (http://www.g8board.com/forums/member.php?u=6055) : I have responded to every message I have gotten as far as I can recall. If something got overlooked Im sorry but it does happen at times.

maxout : The idea that you are asking 10k over MSRP makes me sick. You can say what you like about "giving the car away" But what happens 2 years down the road when your "Happy customer" comes to trade the car and finds no added value? Or when they find out they could have not paid the 10k over elsewhere and bashes you on your survey, costing the dealership 10's of thousands of dollars in SFE money? That is, unless your dealership already hass piss poor CSI.

I've been doing this for 10 years. I have outsold every other salesperson at every dealership I have worked in that 10 year span. My gross average is still above the national average, so I tend to think that I know how to sell cars. Now here is the kicker... My CSI is in the top 5% in the nation :eek:

So wait a sec, I sell alot of cars, make money AND my customers love me... How does that happen?

You are not building value in anything and you are not selling anything more than the fantasy of a supposed "rare" and "special" car to take advantage of an uneducated buyer. The GXP is a great vehicle, but there are more of them sitting on dealers lots right now unsold than there are sold.

I wish you luck because if your tactics are to do what you are doing obviously you dont have the talent to survive in this volatile industry.

By the way... Allocation? We get a call nearly every other day from our district and zone manager to take more GT's and more GXP's. What are you smoking? I already have tagged 20 GT's and another 12 GXP's in the last week. These are in no way shape or form going to be limited production and way to build value twelling a guy his new GT is worth 18k the day after he bought it. That shows how much you believe in our product.


On another note... Why am I not allowed to say 1 sentence against a person on the site? I call 1 guy a tool and people are crusifying me. LOL Geez Cant I have a little fun too?

I see ZERO value in a $52,000 Pontiac. If anything, it's an oxymoron.

It is guys like maxout that make my sphincter pucker and want to keep my truck, drive it till it dies. I am looking to buy a GT and maxout's crap makes me a little gun shy.

Rather than spending money, maybe I will just sit on it and not help the economy out. Good job.

Did Maxout ever mention the name of his dealer?

I doubt he will make that mistake. But, I have an idea of where he works because the person who went there and mentioned what i would sell for is in contact with me. Once I confirm Ill be sure to get the word out.

Much of the adjustment that is occurring right now in our economy I believe has to do with the obsolescence of wide swaths of it through technology.

As was said before, forums like these lead to enthusiastic, educated consumers who know what they want and what to pay to get it. If the service at a particular dealer is subpar, then there will be a feedback mechanism to warn others.

The fallacy of the MAXOUT sales approach is that his Cheshire cat grin exposing cigarette-stained teeth is a promise of better things to come. He has no control over that part of the dealership experience but give him 10k extra and you are sure to be taken care of.

Everything should be done as a single transaction. Buying the car is just that, buying the car. I will take the car for service to the dealer that services the vehicle well at a competitive cost. Technology enables me to communicate with people who have the same interest.

MAXOUT you are a dinosaur and you make me sick to my stomach. I was at my local Pontiac dealer the other day which gave me a crappy quote accompanied by "you don't want me to go out of business do you?" I didn't even answer. Honestly I hope a lot more of you do go out of business b/c the sad fact is that the dealership sales model itself is largely obsolete. Imagine if each of the large manufacturers had say 5 sales depots per major metropolitan areas interspersed with service centers owned by all the manufacturers with specialists in proportion to the presence of the manufacturers vehicle in the area. The entire purchase could be performed online and the vehicle could be picked up at the depot with no haggling.

Nino is the closest thing we have to that model so he makes sales. He offers the same vehicle, a great experience (offers to pick up from the airport etc) and no gimmicks when you get to the dealer. He is the future and you are a disgrace. Please go away before you cost GM more sales.

Why is it wrong for a dealer to make a huge profit on a hot new model on the market? If it is wrong isn't also equally wrong for the customers to continuously try and rip the dealer for little to no profit on most other products they sell? Wouldn't it be great if everyone would just buy a vehicle for MSRP and not have to haggle? I would gladly give up the huge profit on the hot new vehicle in exchange for the customer paying a fair profit (MSRP) on every transaction.


BTW...to set the record straight. The customer that did pay my price on the GXP G8 also gets my personnal service at anytime. He has my cell number. He calls me to handle getting tint on his vehicle. He calls me to get Lojack handled on his vehicle. He calls me to get chemicals done and stoneguard done on his vehicle. I personally go pick up his vehicle and leave him with a loaner car. In the future,whenever he wants his vehicle hand washed my dealership will take care of him. His first two years worth of LOF will be on us. That's why he's now refering friends and relatives to me. That's the difference between the Nino's out there and me and why I survive in the Car Business.
GM itself, when not busy furiously treading water, hates the consept of dealers charging over msrp. They , when they get their corporate head together, may reiterate just this, and even use the tools of shrinking allocations to follow up on this practice. It is not illegal to charge more, it simply is immoral. Especially in today's economy. No customer should feel obligated to pay an extra $10,000 or more for a vehicle simply to get so-called personal service from a salesperson. Every "extra" max is offering for 10k should be included on every sale, even a $10,000 G3. I can tell without seeing that maxout has a fake Rolex on his left wrist and dangling bangling gold chains on his right. Open silk shirt and a bunch of beads around his neckl. If he still has hair it is permed , and he hits teh tanning booth three times a week. A true ******* that defines all the bad things we tend to think of when we think car salesman.


The GTOs, Thunderbirds, Mustangs, ZO6, SOlstice, G8 GXP, not a one of them is worth a dime over sticker. Jay Leno purchased Gord GT s/n 001 and paid not a penny more than msrp and while it was in transit a salesman just like maxout contacted him offering one at 25k over - such a good deal, for Jay only. Sheesh.

These posts will stay (for awhile) as a reminder of our dealer policies. But the thread will close.

1. No price gouging - INCLUDING on the GXP
2. No tricky add-ons to extract shady dollars in the deal
3. No insulting members or other dealers - in this example Mr Maxout seems to think he knows more about the cars he sells than the people buying them - fat chance

Now, what gets a dealer here the extra-special approved status? Following 1-2-3 above, treating us fair and square, and with respect. IN return they'll get it back. Nobody should deny a dealership A profit so that they can stay open and the employees can feed their families. But gouging is piracy and not allowed here. Maxout's dealer's name will surface and when it does he may be sorry he opened his yap.

For the not-yet approved dealers who we have said get a chance to prove themselves yet do not have
1. approved status to thread start in this section or
2. do not have 20 posts and ability to list their vehicles in regular For Sale section we will shortly create a section in For Sale just for dealer inventory.

And, Another warning to other dealers: Just like we ask 'other' sponsors to stay out of sponsor threads please do teh same here in the dealer section. If you meet our criteria and have sold to satisfied members - by all means have those members recommend you to us for elevation in status.