Slide up to about 2:00 in the video and you'll hear him say the price

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qprQTFXtxZA


Ummmmm my advice is Get a GT

Here is the interior and some other spec o nwhy its that much

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oFbZT5SBPnU

for those who want it they might have to go to major cities or order it. I don't think a dealer is going to have this car stocked like the base will be.

Whoa wait. Some guy who isn't even part of GM (just inside line) says 40k base and you believe it? The pricing hasn't been announced. Anything that has been spoken is unofficial; especially if it comes from the Auto "press."

:iagree:I'm having a hard time figuring how the GXP is going to be $40K. Take a base G8 sedan, add all the GXP stuff we know about and tell me the cost is over $7K more than the cost of the added stuff on a GT? Everything is off the shelf and not new or innovative. I continue to ask WHERE'S THE BEEF?.:dunno:

I'd bet that the GXP will start at about $35-36k.

It will be pushing $50k in Canada. The GT price came out this week. $36,995! A little bit of a bump from the US price for what reason exactly?

Because you Canadians have better heath care and we US citizens are in a recession. Lets not forget we pay a fortune to insurance companies who don't payout in full! Oh wait we also are looked upon to protect the world. Where were you? GM is just trying to help the Good ol USA!


Dont hate me cause of the truth.

But I wouldnt count this Edmunds guys comments until final pricing is announced.

I was told $35-42k.

I was told $35-42k.

Thats a huge amount to bounce around in, considering there are only two options. Sunroof and tires.

Slide up to about 2:00 in the video and you'll hear him say the price

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qprQTFXtxZA


Ummmmm my advice is Get a GT

Actually, that was quite funny. "The GXP does 0-60 in 4.7 seconds......and 50 cent is here."

:iagree:I'm having a hard time figuring how the GXP is going to be $40K. Take a base G8 sedan, add all the GXP stuff we know about and tell me the cost is over $7K more than the cost of the added stuff on a GT? Everything is off the shelf and not new or innovative. I continue to ask WHERE'S THE BEEF?.:dunno:

I'm thinking $5K for the upgraded parts and ~$2K for GG tax. That will have it knocking on the door of $40K.

Chip

I'm thinking $5K for the upgraded parts and ~$2K for GG tax. That will have it knocking on the door of $40K.

Chip

Chip, $5K above the GT price for the parts? Really, that much? I would think $2-3K above the GT stuff. And $2K for GG tax? What was it on the GTO? Like $1-1.2K? Don't think it was $2K, anybody out there with a GTO remember, or have your window sticker so you can check?

John

Don't think of the cost increase as just a parts price increase. I bet GM will also want a little higher profit margin on it too than what they're getting off the GT.

Chip, $5K above the GT price for the parts? Really, that much? I would think $2-3K above the GT stuff. And $2K for GG tax? What was it on the GTO? Like $1-1.2K? Don't think it was $2K, anybody out there with a GTO remember, or have your window sticker so you can check?

John

$1200 gg tax on GTO in 06. blame the higher G8 tax on inflation...or the 2 extra doors...:bomb:

$1000 GGT on the '04 Goat with the LS1, and yes as mentioned above it did go up to $1200 for the '05-'06 with the LS2...

I know, but this is all my buddy could remember (GM employee who saw pricing). He just said he thought it was in that range... I didn't push it since I wasn't going to pay for a GXP anyway.

Thats a huge amount to bounce around in, considering there are only two options. Sunroof and tires.

It wouldn't suprise me to see something around 40k. They wont make a lot of them and their bread and butter will be the gt. Which is very well priced at 30k. So, I don't believe they're going to push mass production of the gxp. they'll sell it for around 40k to compete with srt8, and some people will buy them.

It will be pushing $50k in Canada. The GT price came out this week. $36,995! A little bit of a bump from the US price for what reason exactly?

A weak looney. LOL Just kiddin.

Does Canada use the US standards for pollution, safety, or does it have its own? If yours are different, they have to recoup the certification costs over a much smaller volume.

Or maybe some hidden tax?

I know, but this is all my buddy could remember (GM employee who saw pricing). He just said he thought it was in that range... I didn't push it since I wasn't going to pay for a GXP anyway.

It wouldn't surprise me. People on this board are thinking cost plus pricing. That's not how market's work. Think supply and demand, and substitution. Pricing will still be competitive with the SRT Charger and cheaper than 550i by far. Supply will be restricted thanks to your US Congress, who passed CAFE standards that are simply ridiculous. The GXP will be a gas guzzler and get banged $2000 in tax. And GM will NOT want to sell a lot of them for that reason, as it will hurt their CAFE. They just want the car out there as an image booster that the car magazines will test against BMWs (and whip). That draws people into the dealerships, where the pricing will make them settle for a GT.

Be thankful and get your GT now. With the dollar sinking, and CAFE rising, this might be the last chance to get V8 horsepower on the cheap in your lifetime. I doubt the next generation of this car will be as powerful or as cheap.

I'll guess $39,995, they aren't bringing enough over to worry about mass market appeal. You can't get anything better for another $15 or $20 grand. And I would bet that if you went and bought at a reasonable cost all the parts added to the GT to make the GXP, it would cost more than $7k over the fully optioned GT: trans, rear, wheels, brakes, suspension, horsepower, whatever they do to the inside, exterior styling. It isn't a-la-carte you are buying the whole car, so if you just want horsepower you would be better off with the GT. You just need to decide for yourself if you are going to pay the premium for the all around package that will be the GXP.

I'll guess $39,995, they aren't bringing enough over to worry about mass market appeal. You can't get anything better for another $15 or $20 grand. And I would bet that if you went and bought at a reasonable cost all the parts added to the GT to make the GXP, it would cost more than $7k over the fully optioned GT: trans, rear, wheels, brakes, suspension, horsepower, whatever they do to the inside, exterior styling. It isn't a-la-carte you are buying the whole car, so if you just want horsepower you would be better off with the GT. You just need to decide for yourself if you are going to pay the premium for the all around package that will be the GXP.

If they could get me a GT full load with a stick ... no ... but seeing as I hate autos ... I'll have to ;)

Now I really wonder how bad they're going to try and rape us canadians ?

Just as an FYI, while at the dealership yesterday I walked by a 300C SRT-8 and the sticker read $44,200 (and change).

Better health care in Canada? You gotta be kidding! Way to many come to the Mao Clinic in Rochester MN. because to their wait for ever health care. You need to check out your facts.

I'm still sticking with my prediction of 34,995. The most powerful car for under 35K!!! :p

Guys, with regard to the GXP, I was fortunate enough to get a little of Pontiac Communications guy, Jim Hopson's time through some email correspondence earlier this week and he verified a November launch, limited production (no quoted numbers) and a price definitely below $40k, but not necessarily much below. GG tax wasn't discussed, so you'll have to draw your own conclusions.
Further, he said they're going to see how the demand is, then they may actually ratchet up production higher in '09, but it's not a given, due to all the variables involved.
Mind you, this is my own summary of what he wrote back to me over several days' time. Hope this helps.

Chip, $5K above the GT price for the parts? Really, that much? I would think $2-3K above the GT stuff. And $2K for GG tax? What was it on the GTO? Like $1-1.2K? Don't think it was $2K, anybody out there with a GTO remember, or have your window sticker so you can check?

John

That's what I'm thinking. We're getting different seats, brakes, suspension, engine, and then there is profit. I'm estimating GG Tax based on approximately what the SRT8 is costing (~$2163). Ours could be less. Here is a table that gives the approximate numbers http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/info.shtml#guzzler .
I would like to see the number closer to $37K with GGt, but I don't see how it could happen.

Chip

That's what I'm thinking. We're getting different seats, brakes, suspension, engine, and then there is profit. I'm estimating GG Tax based on approximately what the SRT8 is costing (~$2163). Ours could be less. Here is a table that gives the approximate numbers http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/info.shtml#guzzler .
I would like to see the number closer to $37K with GGt, but I don't see how it could happen.

Chip

Sure the GXP is getting all that stuff, but you have to start with the base car price and add the equipment prices to that. You already have upgraded stuff in the GT, so you've got to throw all that stuff out, and price in all the new stuff to get your price for the car with the new stuff. I'm not up on what the MPG will be on this thing, looking at the chart the GGT could be a lot. But here's a question, does the 'Vette have a GGT, and if so, how much? Admittedly, we're dealing with a lot heavier car here in the G8, but the engine is basically the same, but putting out less HP, which I would think, would make it less thirsty too....maybe compensate for the extra weight?:dunno:

And don't forget that the GTO M6 LS2 did not have the GG tax, just the slushbox. :)

And don't forget that the GTO M6 LS2 did not have the GG tax, just the slushbox. :)

And if it had 6 speeds in that slushbox chances are excellent it would have avoided GGT.

Sure the GXP is getting all that stuff, but you have to start with the base car price and add the equipment prices to that. You already have upgraded stuff in the GT, so you've got to throw all that stuff out, and price in all the new stuff to get your price for the car with the new stuff. I'm not up on what the MPG will be on this thing, looking at the chart the GGT could be a lot. But here's a question, does the 'Vette have a GGT, and if so, how much? Admittedly, we're dealing with a lot heavier car here in the G8, but the engine is basically the same, but putting out less HP, which I would think, would make it less thirsty too....maybe compensate for the extra weight?:dunno:

To me, the biggest cost is the engineering to put it in the car. This is going to be spread over alot fewer cars than the GT. So, what is the cost to cert the engine for the US? I could see this making the engine quite abit more expensive than the L76 because of reduced volume. Does the new fascia require new crash testing (I'm thinking with the minimal changes maybe not)? Then there is profit margin.

As for gas mileage, I'm anxiously waiting. The reduced power may help some, but this car is quite abit heavier than the Vette and less aerodynamic. And no, the Vette does not have a GGT. Its mileage is about the same as the G8, actually it is slightly better on the highway.

Like I said, I hope that I'm wrong. Right now, that is where I'm leaning for purchase. I would like to see the GXP at $35K with sunroof and no more than $37K with GGT added.

Chip

Let's see. Pontiac priced the G8 GT below the equivalent Charger (R/T), so might they do the same with the GXP versus the SRT-8? Just be happy that this model is offered at all, with manual transmissions going the way of the Dodo bird and CAFE nipping at the corp's heels. Question: When thinking about the GXP manual, what car comes closest to this performance level at the assumed (<$40k) price?

Comparisons to Corvette are off-base, as its fully 800 lbs (!) lighter, has a smaller frontal area and a better coefficient of drag.

I talked to a gm trainer when the g8 first got to the dealership
and he said most likely starting price for GDP was 34-35k

Question: When thinking about the GXP manual, what car comes closest to this performance level at the assumed (<$40k) price?

Um. Nothing. The closest from a performance standpoint _might_ be the BMW M5 (same 0-60 time, slightly slower thru 1/4 mile).

1/4 Mile Times:

2006 BMW M5 in Full Attack mode:
12.9 sec @ 114.9 mph

Pontiac G8 GXP (manufacturer est)
13.0 seconds at 108 mph.


OK, so the G8 GXP should cost around $39,995 (best current internet guestimate).

The 2008 M5 costs $87,175 which is MORE than twice as much...:eek2:

I'm pretty sure we can make up 0.1 seconds for less than $47,000!!!

Um. Sign me up! :boink:

~LSx

GDP was 34-35k

GXP ? :shiner:

Um. Nothing. The closest from a performance standpoint _might_ be the BMW M5 (same 0-60 time, slightly slower thru 1/4 mile).

1/4 Mile Times:

2006 BMW M5 in Full Attack mode:
12.9 sec @ 114.9 mph

Pontiac G8 GXP (manufacturer est)
13.0 seconds at 108 mph.


OK, so the G8 GXP should cost around $39,995 (best current internet guestimate).

The 2008 M5 costs $87,175 which is MORE than twice as much...:eek2:

I'm pretty sure we can make up 0.1 seconds for less than $47,000!!!

Um. Sign me up! :boink:

~LSx


Sti and new Evo will give a GXP a run for it's money in the performance deptarment for < 40K.

Like I said, I hope that I'm wrong. Right now, that is where I'm leaning for purchase. I would like to see the GXP at $35K with sunroof and no more than $37K with GGT added.

Chip

I hope to see that as well. I need to see that to make the gxp my first choice.

R1owner,

Yes, both the STI and Evo have the perf/dollar thing pretty well handled, though the latest versions aren't inexpensive for tarted-up econoboxes. Depends on your objective(s); do you really want fastest/dollar, or are other things, like styling and passenger accommodations, important as well.
For me, I can't deal with the teenage and/or economy sedan exterior designs on either car, though I'll be the first to admit both get it on in any performance measure.

R1owner,

Yes, both the STI and Evo have the perf/dollar thing pretty well handled, though the latest versions aren't inexpensive for tarted-up econoboxes. Depends on your objective(s); do you really want fastest/dollar, or are other things, like styling and passenger accommodations, important as well.
For me, I can't deal with the teenage and/or economy sedan exterior designs on either car, though I'll be the first to admit both get it on in any performance measure.

I had an 04 STi and think the new wagon/hatch is a dud. Not remotely impressive in person and the reviews have not been all that favorable. The new Evo is hot, I had an 03 and the issue is that the new car while more nicely built/refined (not a tin box like the previous model). It still a 2.0L high strung turbo and that's not something I want in an everyday car. The short time I had the Evo it was a 2nd car.

After seeing the G8 in person, I'm very interested in the GXP. Most likely willing to give up my GC SRT for one.

Because you Canadians have better heath care and we US citizens are in a recession. Lets not forget we pay a fortune to insurance companies who don't payout in full! Oh wait we also are looked upon to protect the world. Where were you? GM is just trying to help the Good ol USA!


Dont hate me cause of the truth.

But I wouldnt count this Edmunds guys comments until final pricing is announced.

Canadians first into WW1, WW2, & I believe Korea as well...where were you?

Sti and new Evo will give a GXP a run for it's money in the performance deptarment for < 40K.

Not so much now the 2008's Evo's and STI's , are SLOWER than befor .
The Evo IX's would run low 13's@105ish some dipping in to the 12's stock . The new X's are running mid to high 13's @100-102 .
From what Ive read the New STI's are slower also .
BTW the new Evo's start around $33,000 and go up to HIGH 30's :eek2: and weighs in at 3600LBS
The only fit the stock Evo+STI would give a GXP would be the 1st 100 feet(or so) or on a road track . Highway pulls it will get ugly for them real quick .

^ Yep, all reviews say they're both slower...

...and the new STI has been soundly beaten with an ugly stick.

I do not think I can get myself to pay a 10k premium for the manual tranny.

Now about that tranny in a regular GT again.....

I dont know why there is so much time wasted on pricing on this post...for the GXP...
we all know its still a ways away...we all know it will be pricer than the G8....we all know the dealer will want a premium...and most of your ranting on here will never buy one ...it will be just as pricey as an SRT8...which i really like...but didnt see the value in..vs the G8.
For THousands less my G8 will do what i want it to do...better than a GXP or SRT8....i dont need $2k in brakes ..the G8s work fine in the real world...stop bench racing,,dreaming, and price estimating....the regular G8 is alot of car...the GXP will be more of the same car..but its not that much better...as the techie benchracers who cant afford it anyways that have nothing to do but compare online all day long...say it is..

:cursin:I dont know why there is so much time wasted on pricing on this post...for the GXP.. :rant:

Because its the last unknown with this car... we now know power, availability, style, weight, interior... Cost is the last piece of the puzzle.

And wow, you need to chill... do you have something VASTLY more important to do here? Just felt like stopping by to crap on this thread? Why not add something useful to the discussion eh?

~LSx

Sti and new Evo will give a GXP a run for it's money in the performance deptarment for < 40K.

Perhaps up to 105-110mph... but after that its ALL G8. Top speed? Fughetaboutit!

And the GXP can support far greater improvements than either the STI or EVO... and before anyone starts a rant:

-Yes older EVO's could support XXXhp.. but not for long
-Yes the AWD might help at launch... but it hurts top end

In the end the much larger LS3 will support much larger power gains for less cash. Also, the worldwide support network will latch onto it bigtime!

In the end I think the GXP is more than meets the eye... I think there is a lot more going on than just the tranny, brakes, and suspension..

~LSx

In the end I think the GXP is more than meets the eye... I think there is a lot more going on than just the tranny, brakes, and suspension..

~LSx

Personal enjoyment/satisfaction, for one... :thumbsup:

And the GXP can support far greater improvements than either the STI or EVO... and before anyone starts a rant:

-Yes older EVO's could support XXXhp.. but not for long
-Yes the AWD might help at launch... but it hurts top end

~LSx


Let's also not forget that to utiliza the "advantage" of awd at launch, you have to ride the clutch out.....can't do that every time....

AWD is generally not active at "launch" for most AWD cars, or at least not completely. They do this to prevent any undesireable "All Wheel Burnouts..." In fact, many of them are RWD at launch, and AWD is active at a designated interval.

Well I hope the GXP will price out under $40K.

I currently drive a fully factory optioned out 07 Charger SRT8 and it's a wonderful car overall. It has serious performance and somewhat decent handling for its size and price at $43K. Which is why GM is aiming for it with the G8 GT and GXP... BUT the Charger has extra options that the GXP doesn't even offer like navigation, heated front seats, rear DVD player (which the kids thoroughly enjoy) and integrated garage remote. The Charger R/T (the model below the SRT) has less power and smaller brakes than the SRT. A well factory equipped R/T is priced near $40K.

Now I know some people who want a G8 aren't interested in those type of options but for some who are interested in a sudo-luxury family sedan might. Pontiac didn't have any of those options when I traded my GTO for the SRT8 so I'm now spoiled having those features. And yes you can add all that stuff to the G8 through the aftermarket sector if you so desire but then it's no longer stock plus you're now adding cost to the final price of your purchase.

So the point I'm trying to make is the price of the GXP is very important to compete in the same performance sedan class. By not having options like the Charger has the GXP should be priced accordingly less.

Do I still want a GXP...hell yes! I'm a deep and loyal GM enthusiast. 80% of my cars I've ever own were from the General. But if the GXP is $40K or over without those creature features then I'll just keep enjoying and modding the SRT8.

Well I hope the GXP will price out under $40K.

I currently drive a fully factory optioned out 07 Charger SRT8 and it's a wonderful car overall. It has serious performance and somewhat decent handling for its size and price at $43K. Which is why GM is aiming for it with the G8 GT and GXP... BUT the Charger has extra options that the GXP doesn't even offer like navigation, heated front seats, rear DVD player (which the kids thoroughly enjoy) and integrated garage remote. The Charger R/T (the model below the SRT) has less power and smaller brakes than the SRT. A well factory equipped R/T is priced near $40K.

Now I know some people who want a G8 aren't interested in those type of options but for some who are interested in a sudo-luxury family sedan might. Pontiac didn't have any of those options when I traded my GTO for the SRT8 so I'm now spoiled having those features. And yes you can add all that stuff to the G8 through the aftermarket sector if you so desire but then it's no longer stock plus you're now adding cost to the final price of your purchase.

So the point I'm trying to make is the price of the GXP is very important to compete in the same performance sedan class. By not having options like the Charger has the GXP should be priced accordingly less.

Do I still want a GXP...hell yes! I'm a deep and loyal GM enthusiast. 80% of my cars I've ever own were from the General. But if the GXP is $40K or over without those creature features then I'll just keep enjoying and modding the SRT8.

The G8 has heated front seats with the premium package. You are right about the garage door opener, though, I'm surprised the G8 (Premium Package) doesn't have Homelink. :huh:

Well I hope the GXP will price out under $40K.

I currently drive a fully factory optioned out 07 Charger SRT8 and it's a wonderful car overall. It has serious performance and somewhat decent handling for its size and price at $43K. Which is why GM is aiming for it with the G8 GT and GXP... BUT the Charger has extra options that the GXP doesn't even offer like navigation, heated front seats, rear DVD player (which the kids thoroughly enjoy) and integrated garage remote. The Charger R/T (the model below the SRT) has less power and smaller brakes than the SRT. A well factory equipped R/T is priced near $40K.

Now I know some people who want a G8 aren't interested in those type of options but for some who are interested in a sudo-luxury family sedan might. Pontiac didn't have any of those options when I traded my GTO for the SRT8 so I'm now spoiled having those features. And yes you can add all that stuff to the G8 through the aftermarket sector if you so desire but then it's no longer stock plus you're now adding cost to the final price of your purchase.

So the point I'm trying to make is the price of the GXP is very important to compete in the same performance sedan class. By not having options like the Charger has the GXP should be priced accordingly less.

Do I still want a GXP...hell yes! I'm a deep and loyal GM enthusiast. 80% of my cars I've ever own were from the General. But if the GXP is $40K or over without those creature features then I'll just keep enjoying and modding the SRT8.

I hope the GXP DOESN'T come bloated with those 'creature' comforts. It will only add cost and make a kick-ass $37K or $38K machine into a bloated $43K boat. If they come as INDIVIDUAL options then fine, but manufacturers seem to have a penchant for 'packages.'

The G8 has heated front seats with the premium package. You are right about the garage door opener, though, I'm surprised the G8 (Premium Package) doesn't have Homelink. :huh:

Or 10-12 position memory seats, or self dimming interior rearview mirror, or HUD (yeah, yeah, we all know). And we STILL don't know if the GXP has these features. So far, all we KNOW about the GXP, besides the styling, is gofast, stopfast, and cornerfast. No options clarification of any kind beyond the above mentioned. Oh, and all season tires for the Sport Package. I think GM is intentionally being obscure about the content on the GXP to push people into the GTs. That way only those that are true enthusiasts will hold out for the GXP. All the rest of us will opt for the GT, and probably be very happy with our choice............besides saving $7-8K and not having to wait another 6-9 months!:popcorn2:

All i can say is that if its 35-37k I'd be happy with that price. Anything above that and I will be waiting for somebody to fault on their payments and pick one up at the dealer auction much cheaper :burnout:

All i can say is that if its 35-37k I'd be happy with that price. Anything above that and I will be waiting for somebody to fault on their payments and pick one up at the dealer auction much cheaper :burnout:

Or MG, you could go out now and get a GT and be driving with a BIG smile on your face for the 6-9 months all those other people are waiting for their GXPs!:angel:

I consider the fact that if I wait and then buy an 09 GT... I'll have a VERY acceptable loan... :)

I consider the fact that if I wait and then buy an 09 GT... I'll have a VERY acceptable loan... :)

That and lack of GXP content info is why I told my dealer to order me up a GT ASAP. Waiting now for my order confirmation. Hope to have the '09 GT by July at the latest! Right now I'm a happy camper!:biggrin2:

Or MG, you could go out now and get a GT and be driving with a BIG smile on your face for the 6-9 months all those other people are waiting for their GXPs!:angel:

I am really resistant to purchasing any vechile new anymore. I have never purchased one and probably never will. There is such a big hit you take driving off the lot that it doesn't make sense to me. If you have never had access to a dealer auction before, you would be amazed at the true value of what alot of high price cars (ie. bmw, merc, ect) and even regular cars are really worth :eek2:

I think that the GXP info is probably not yet final. There are probably some pending cost analyses that have to be approved before pricing is announced.

I am really resistant to purchasing any vechile new anymore. I have never purchased one and probably never will. There is such a big hit you take driving off the lot that it doesn't make sense to me. If you have never had access to a dealer auction before, you would be amazed at the true value of what alot of high price cars (ie. bmw, merc, ect) are really worth :eek2:

My G8 will be kept in my garage. I won't be getting rid of it. I'll pay it off. So for me, I will not exhibit this depreciation. But that isn't always possible, and many times new cars end up just eating your wallet dry.

For the time being; I am not bothered.... Someday I will be... hehe.

I am really resistant to purchasing any vechile new anymore. I have never purchased one and probably never will. There is such a big hit you take driving off the lot that it doesn't make sense to me. If you have never had access to a dealer auction before, you would be amazed at the true value of what alot of high price cars (ie. bmw, merc, ect) and even regular cars are really worth :eek2:

Problem is, before title search web sites, who knew how those auction cars had been treated? Rebuilds and repos were the main fare at most of them. And be honest, if you knew you weren't going to make the payments on the new car you just got, how would you treat it? I mean would you really care about it? Besides, they have a lot of smells in the auction cars, none of them is new car!

AWD is generally not active at "launch" for most AWD cars, or at least not completely. They do this to prevent any undesireable "All Wheel Burnouts..." In fact, many of them are RWD at launch, and AWD is active at a designated interval.

With the Evo , STI and older 1g 2g DSM's (iam sure others are the same way but I know about these) you are 100% wrong .
Ive have done a awd burnout befor with my VIII , but it didnt help any with the 60' times

... and before anyone starts a rant:

-Yes older EVO's could support XXXhp.. but not for long

In the end the much larger LS3 will support much larger power gains for less cash. Also, the worldwide support network will latch onto it bigtime!

~LSx

Ok a small rant
They are very durable motors(stock blocks) they can/will/have lasted a long time . 500hp or less is reliable with a good tune , and that knocking on the 10's . Dont forget about HP/LBS 3200lbs needs less HP than a 4000lbs car would to run the same times .

I dont think you can beat a Evo for bang for the buck , a Turbo back ($300 ebay) and a reflash (free soft ware +$90 cable) tuned for race gas has some in to the 11's with full weight car (-spare and jack)

But the LS3 does look VERY mod friendly , and its in a grown up's car not a play toy car ...

and its in a grown up's car not a play toy car ...

Yeah I think that's the difference. I like EVO's and respect them. I'm just not into that "scene"

Ok a small rant
They are very durable motors(stock blocks) they can/will/have lasted a long time . 500hp or less is reliable with a good tune , and that knocking on the 10's . Dont forget about HP/LBS 3200lbs needs less HP than a 4000lbs car would to run the same times .

I dont think you can beat a Evo for bang for the buck , a Turbo back ($300 ebay) and a reflash (free soft ware +$90 cable) tuned for race gas has some in to the 11's with full weight car (-spare and jack)

But the LS3 does look VERY mod friendly , and its in a grown up's car not a play toy car ...

Yup, I tried to give credit where credit was due... these blocks can handle quite a bit of power no doubt! And hp/lb ratios will always favor a turbo motor...

But.

In the end there is no replacement for displacement, and I feel pretty confident that a 6.2L race-derived V-8 will be able to outpace a 2.0L turbo motor with smart modifications... but you're absolutely right about the vehicle weight. I don't think any reasonably prepped (streetable) G8 GXP is going to run down a full-bogey Evo at the track. And that's OK... the Camaro will handle that side of the business.

I think most folks would be happy for a fun fast car than can be enjoyed when the opportunity presents itself, and can then carry grandma to brunch.

~LSx

With the Evo , STI and older 1g 2g DSM's (iam sure others are the same way but I know about these) you are 100% wrong .
Ive have done a awd burnout befor with my VIII , but it didnt help any with the 60' times

I didn't say necessarily that those were, but many AWD systems aren't 100% AWD all the time.

I didn't say necessarily that those were, but many AWD systems aren't 100% AWD all the time.

If Iam thinking correctly Subi's , Evo's and DSM's(Eclipse , Talon , Lazer) should make darn near 90% of the AWD car on the road today .

Only car that comes to mind that you could disable the AWD is a Skyline R32-R34 (not sold here). But you would need a aftermarket "box" to do that and they would only do that just for the brunout to heat up the rear's then switch it back to AWD for the launch .
I think some of the "AWD'' CuteUtes have just front wheel drive untill wheel slipage then route power to all 4 wheels . But thats not what you saying..

I still cant think of one car thats NOT AWD when it launchs , but AWD at other times when NOT needed ...

Re read - I think that your maybe takling to the torque split is not allways 50/50 , maybe 10/90 split or something like that ...

you forgot numerous audis, VWs, BMWs, and volvos that are AWD too.

the Charger also has AWD.

the Charger also has AWD.

As does the 300C.

you forgot numerous audis, VWs, BMWs, and volvos that are AWD too.

the Charger also has AWD.

As does the 300C.

I didnt even think about them , and Iam sure there is more out there . BTW the BMW's , Audi's and VW's use center diff's (work all the time).
Volvo's and Charger/300's are just slow anyways :punch:

It will be pushing $50k in Canada. The GT price came out this week. $36,995! A little bit of a bump from the US price for what reason exactly?

I would say that that is the price, because GMNA expects enough Canucks will pay it because of the limited supply.

Because you Canadians have better heath care and we US citizens are in a recession. Lets not forget we pay a fortune to insurance companies who don't payout in full! Oh wait we also are looked upon to protect the world. Where were you? GM is just trying to help the Good ol USA!


Dont hate me cause of the truth.

But I wouldnt count this Edmunds guys comments until final pricing is announced.

Ask maplehawk how much his income and provincial/sales tax is before you think that "we" pay a fortune for health insurance. But yes, I would say that canadian health care is better, especially about the "don't payout in full" part of our system.

Better health care in Canada? You gotta be kidding! Way to many come to the Mao Clinic in Rochester MN. because to their wait for ever health care. You need to check out your facts.

Here we go. Just so you know my wife is canadian.

Who exactly what Canadians do you think have enough money to go to a foreign country, WITHOUT HEALTH INSURANCE, to pay cash for expensive medical procedures at the Mayo? The same ones who have enough money to bitch and moan about the taxes on their third vacation home and don't want to mix with the commoners for a few hours in a waiting room. I know my BC & BS wouldn't cover a trip to Mayo, and I'm American.

I just saw a story on Good Morning America about Americans going to Mexico for surgeries and medications because it's cheaper down there, and many, many health insurance plans are meager coverage at best. Normal americans don't get the best health care that the US has to offer....rich Americans do.

My father-in-law is a wealthy executive, earns about 180K CAD/year, travels all over the world, and his only complaint about canadian health care is "their" illegal immigrants bleeding the system dry. Many of them Francophones..

Ok, back to your regularly scheduled topic.

... and Charger/300's are just slow anyways :punch::gr_jest: That's funny.... until I couldn't pull away from my wife's Magnum R/T in my '04 GTO... :cry:

:gr_jest: That's funny.... until I couldn't pull away from my wife's Magnum R/T in my '04 GTO... :cry:

You need a GP GXP then. :angel:

You need a GP GXP then. :angel:

Well, I'm waiting for the G8 GXP (not sure if you meant G8 or GP, but I gotta have rwd) to come out so I can "test fit" one, but after sitting in a GT, I'm thinking I'm up for disappointment. After driving my wifes Magnum, I feel more comfortable in that (steering wheel comes up higher, and out towards me further than the G8).

But, we'll see. I'd rather stay GM, but if I'm not comfortable, I may have to suck it up and jump ship for an SRT8.... :(

Well, I'm waiting for the G8 GXP (not sure if you meant G8 or GP, but I gotta have rwd) to come out so I can "test fit" one, but after sitting in a GT, I'm thinking I'm up for disappointment. After driving my wifes Magnum, I feel more comfortable in that (steering wheel comes up higher, and out towards me further than the G8).

But, we'll see. I'd rather stay GM, but if I'm not comfortable, I may have to suck it up and jump ship for an SRT8.... :(

At the expense of having to live with an auto trans?

At the expense of having to live with an auto trans?

After my wife traded in her '05 Impala (was my daily driver, she drove a van) on the Magnum, the GTO became my daily driver, and I tell ya, I'm not diggin' it. I love the car, it's great for weekend fun out driving, but for traffic, stop and go, ugh, it's getting old really quick. Besides, I'll be better behaved in an auto. The stick just keeps yelling "hit it" and the next gear yells "pick me! pick me!", and my gas milage is crap (although fun).

After my wife traded in her '05 Impala (was my daily driver, she drove a van) on the Magnum, the GTO became my daily driver, and I tell ya, I'm not diggin' it. I love the car, it's great for weekend fun out driving, but for traffic, stop and go, ugh, it's getting old really quick. Besides, I'll be better behaved in an auto. The stick just keeps yelling "hit it" and the next gear yells "pick me! pick me!", and my gas milage is crap (although fun).


haha, that's a great impersonation of what driving a stick is like :gears:

A weak looney. LOL Just kiddin.

Does Canada use the US standards for pollution, safety, or does it have its own? If yours are different, they have to recoup the certification costs over a much smaller volume.

Or maybe some hidden tax?

Nope...just plain old greed on the part of GM.

Canadians are suckers, plain and simple.

Our cars are the same as American cars in terms of safety and emissions. (Except when GM screws us Canadians by changing a spoiler a la Solstice to prevent us importing the vehicles cheaper than buying them here)

I want a G8, but I will not buy anything from GM where there is a 25% markup for no reason. I'll spend the extra $$$ on a quality Japanese product. Screw GM.

Sti and new Evo will give a GXP a run for it's money in the performance deptarment for < 40K.

Neither the STI or the EVO X in stock form will come close to the G8 GXP 108 mph traps...

including GGT for the Auto.

If they have the M6 rated at 400HP it'll probably escape GGT.

Somehow it'll be winner if offered at $35,995 + GGT of 1300.

Neither the STI or the EVO X in stock form will come close to the G8 GXP 108 mph traps...

true, but when you have to turn, the Evo or STI will pass it up... :coffee:

As much as I respect the EVO, I don't think I would feel comfortable buying a car from a company whose demise has been looming for the past 5-ish years

With both the EVO and the STi though, I like the previous gen better than the newer stuff. They've gone away from being a true "track car" to numbing it down to make it more saleable. Makes good business sense, but they both lose something in my opinion

With both the EVO and the STi though, I like the previous gen better than the newer stuff. They've gone away from being a true "track car" to numbing it down to make it more saleable. Makes good business sense, but they both lose something in my opinion

Especially the STi...now it only comes in a hatchback/wagon? OMG. WTF were they thinking.

Especially the STi...now it only comes in a hatchback/wagon? OMG. WTF were they thinking.

Dynamics. The wagon offers a much better chassis rigidity and weight distribution. Same reason why the mazdaspeed 3 comes in wagon form only.

Why do you all keep saying that there will only be two options! If you all dont know what the price will be then you all obviously dont know what the options will be! There are a lot of options that will probably be available besides manual and sunroof! :soapbox:

Most of u are probably saying that because your cheap butts want the price to be as low as possible! I've said this in many threads before, if the Bonneville GXP had a a lot of add on options and cost 35k, then why are you all hoping that this vehicle wont have many options! Navigation, HID's, HUD, seat memory, 8-way driver & passenger power seats, a better DIC, and a better stereo system will not jack the price above 40k!

GXP is the top of the line pontiac trim for a reason. Adding bigger brakes, an 6.2 LS3, and a manual option doesnt make this a true GXP!!! More options!!! :The_Villagers:

Why do you all keep saying that there will only be two options! If you all dont know what the price will be then you all obviously dont know what the options will be! There are a lot of options that will probably be available besides manual and sunroof! :soapbox:

Most of u are probably saying that because your cheap butts want the price to be as low as possible! I've said this in many threads before, if the Bonneville GXP had a a lot of add on options and cost 35k, then why are you all hoping that this vehicle wont have many options! Navigation, HID's, HUD, seat memory, 8-way driver & passenger power seats, a better DIC, and a better stereo system will not jack the price above 40k!

GXP is the top of the line pontiac trim for a reason. Adding bigger brakes, an 6.2 LS3, and a manual option doesnt make this a true GXP!!! More options!!! :The_Villagers:

Maybe because Pontiac said so?

Basically, everything that was an option on the G8 GT is standard on the GXP except for the sunroof. A different seat is offered in the GXP and is not an 8 way memory seat. Manual is only offered in the GXP so that is an option. Of course, the sunroof is an option. The dash design has not changed, so Nav and HUD are out as options. HIDs might be possible, but were not listed by Pontiac as a change.

Chip

A different seat is offered in the GXP and is not an 8 way memory seat.

Say more about this please (i.e. what the seat is rather than what it isn't). Thanks.

Say more about this please (i.e. what the seat is rather than what it isn't). Thanks.

I wish I knew more factual information. I know that you have seen the same pics that I have of the GXP seats. It seems to be a combination of the G8 GT and HSV seats.

From comparison of photos, it appears that the back is from the Vauxhall VXR8/Holden HSV series seats. The seat base appears to be the same as the G8 GT base. It is definitely less aggressive than the Vauxhall VXR8/Holden HSV base. In fact, the thigh bolster appears to be 1 inch plus taller on the HSV/VXR8 bolster in comparison to the G8 GT bolster.

Chip

Seats are from HSV GTS.

Go to HSV.com.au and look up the HSV GTS and look at the interior, you will see that these are the exact same seats as the GXP (even has GTS in same spot as GXP). In the specs for interior it also states that the seats are 8-way/8-way power, so I would bet the farm that the GXP seats will be 8-way power as well.

Seats are from HSV GTS.

Go to HSV.com.au and look up the HSV GTS and look at the interior, you will see that these are the exact same seats as the GXP (even has GTS in same spot as GXP). In the specs for interior it also states that the seats are 8-way/8-way power, so I would bet the farm that the GXP seats will be 8-way power as well.

I got a chance to sit in a HSV GTS at a dealership while I was in Melbourne. If the GXP seats are exactly the same as GTS then that's a very very good thing! :yumyum:

Seats are from HSV GTS.

Go to HSV.com.au and look up the HSV GTS and look at the interior, you will see that these are the exact same seats as the GXP (even has GTS in same spot as GXP). In the specs for interior it also states that the seats are 8-way/8-way power, so I would bet the farm that the GXP seats will be 8-way power as well.

Go look again and compare to the G8 GXP interior pics. You will find that while the backs are HSV GTS, the bottoms are not. They look to be straight from the G8 GT. The thigh bolsters are different between the HSV GTS and the G8 GXP. I agree on the 8 way power, but no memory as Dollar was wanting.

Chip

Ah...good catch Chip.

Ah...good catch Chip.

It took me a few looks to figure out what was different.

No guzz tax on my 06' M6 GTO. A4' get worse mpg naturally so they had the tax. I just lookedat all my stickers from off the window and every piece of paperwork, i say again No guzzler tax on my car.

Maybe because Pontiac said so?

Sigh. So much for a proper Grand Prix/Bonneville replacement. :nonono:

true, but when you have to turn, the Evo or STI will pass it up... :coffee:
I wouldn't be so sure about that. Everything I've read says that the G8 will handle pretty dang well and the GXP will have a slightly more aggressive suspension.