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Chipless
04-25-2009, 02:13 PM
We still have more to learn, but we’re very proud of how our flagship car has performed so far. After only eight passes on the current combination, we were able to dip into the tens with no weight reduction whatsoever. Thanks very much to Ed Morad of Morad Parts Company, and Bob and Rob Cook from B & R Racing who came out Summit Motorsports Park last night to offer their support.

We made five passes at Norwalk, with each run coming in quicker and faster than the previous. We called it a night and stopped once we achieved our goal, since we still had to drive 100 miles home. Here’s a video that Todd shot of our last run (10.727 @ 129.87 mph). The car in the right lane making me look slow there ran 8.704 @ 156.19 mph. Please right click, save as:

http://www.intense-racing.com/movies/INTENSETTG8GT_1072.wmv

The in-car video camera battery went dead at the beginning of the quickest run, but here’s a video of the previous one (11.130 @ 125.72 mph). Please right click, save as:

http://www.intense-racing.com/movies/INTENSETTG8GT_InCar1.wmv

I’ll try to scan the timeslip and get it posted here soon. In the interim, here are all the intervals for the number crunchers, or anyone who might be wondering what kind of lights an old guy like me normally cuts:

Reaction: .029
60’: 1.711
330’: 4.603
660’: 6.948 @ 104.49 mph
1,000’: 8.984
1,320’: 10.727 @ 129.87 mph

http://www.intense-racing.com/pics/timeslips/Scott_Cook_G8_1072_Large.jpg

Current mods installed include:

APS intercooled twin turbo kit
AEM Tru Boost electronic boost controller
Autometer fuel pressure and oil pressure gauges
Custom 4-gallon surge tank (trunk-mounted)
Dual Walbro GSS392 inline fuel pumps
AN -6 Teflon-lined fuel lines (dual feed and single return)
Aeromotive LS7 fuel rails (modified)
Siemens shorty 60 pounds/hour fuel injectors
Aeromotive fuel pressure regulator
Katech connecting rod bolts
AFM (DOD) and LOMA disabled and removed
CompCams custom camshaft
LS7 lifters
LS2 cam gear and timing chain
TFS chrome moly pushrods
Pac 130 pound valvesprings
Titanium valvespring retainers
ARP head studs
Powerbond harmonic balancer
Autolite AR103 spark plugs
Magnaflow 3" dual exhaust system
INTENSE 160 degree thermostat
INTENSE custom dyno tune using HP Tuners
FTI 2,800 stall torque converter
Driveshaft Shop chrome moly driveshaft
B & R Racing driveshaft loop
Pedders Track II suspension system
BMR sub-frame connectors
B & R Racing chrome moly tunnel brace
CCW Drag Pack 16 x 9.5” rear wheels
M & H 26 x 11.50” street slicks

I want to take a minute to thank a few people who have been most helpful with this project recently.

+ Bob from B & R Racing (installed most items, fabricated chassis components and assisted with lots of great advice)
+ Brian from Dyno Tune Motorsports (assisted with the custom dyno tuning)
+ Chris from HP Tuners (assisted with tuning)

We still have a few small issues to work through. Tuning the 6L80E above the 600 RWHP level is proving to be exceptionally challenging. For example, we were still hitting the 7,000 rpm rev limiter on the 2-3 upshift. Also, the car has enough power to be launched much harder, so we’ll be trying to develop a game plan to make this happen. We will continue working through these issues, so look for our times to drop over the next few months. The official goal for this car is to run nines at full weight by the end of the race season. :driving:

RjG8
04-25-2009, 02:18 PM
Nice!

dutchman
04-25-2009, 02:25 PM
Wow!!! That is insane!!! Love the sleeper look!! Great job guys!!!!

valkim
04-25-2009, 02:52 PM
Wow!....that was cool to watch, and the inside cam was the best.

Tonzcompg04
04-25-2009, 03:29 PM
Nice!

Walter
04-25-2009, 03:40 PM
i witnessed the 10.7 run last night, what a small world. my first week owning a g8 and i run into this badboy at the track. thanks for all the pointers!

phoenixitc
04-25-2009, 05:34 PM
Excuse me for asking this question, but did any of these aftermarket modifications void the GM warranty? Just curious...

sheskomatic
04-25-2009, 06:09 PM
Great Job!

stonebreaker
04-25-2009, 06:21 PM
On the shifting issues... We eventually had to go to a vacuum modulator on the 4L60e on the impala ss's. The variable speed sensor just can't keep up with the acceleration of the car once you hit mid-11's. I would imagine you're running into the same problem with the 6L80e. So the next question is... is there a vacuum modulated version of the 6L80e?

HSVLS3
04-25-2009, 07:32 PM
Congratulations! :turbonaughtdy_1:

I am still amazed that you are able to put all that power through a 6L80E. :eek:

I noticed on your website that Scott has built his car like mine as primarily a street driven vehicle. In Oz ANDRA won't let you run below 11.000 secs without a roll cage, window netting, flame proof race wear, etc etc. Are the rules different in the US? :confused:

Good luck with your development work, Ian

LasT_ResorT_G8
04-25-2009, 07:38 PM
Thats a crazy time, congratz. How much boost were you running?

Walter
04-25-2009, 09:15 PM
Thats a crazy time, congratz. How much boost were you running?

dont quote me but he said he was around 9psi for the 10.7 pass, the 11 sec passes were made with about 7psi

could be wrong but thats what i thought he said

LasT_ResorT_G8
04-25-2009, 11:58 PM
Re Raise, you ever take that monster on the highway for some fun runs? If so, does it shift crisp without hitting the rev limiter from a roll?

Chipless
04-26-2009, 11:53 AM
Thanks very much everyone. I had forgotten how fun it is to set records. :D

thanks for all the pointers!
No problem at all. It was nice to hear that you nailed your first ever RWD launch perfectly. :)


Excuse me for asking this question, but did any of these aftermarket modifications void the GM warranty? Just curious...
LOL - I sure hope not! :slap:


I noticed on your website that Scott has built his car like mine as primarily a street driven vehicle.
Yes, I drove it 100 miles to the track, and then home. Definitely turn some heads when the car is 100% streetable, still quiet, etc. :driving:


In Oz ANDRA won't let you run below 11.000 secs without a roll cage, window netting, flame proof race wear, etc etc. Are the rules different in the US?
Here we need a roll bar at 11.49, then a roll cage at 10.99 seconds. We've made eight full track passes now, and ALL of them were faster than 11.49. Maybe we get by because the car looks stock and is so quiet. ;)


Wow, congrats Scott, was this on Pump gas?
We're running a pump gas tune, but I did mix in a little 100-octane in this tank for some added safety margin. The official octane number for these passes was 98.6.


How much boost were you running?
11.261 (7.5 psi, 94.0 octane)
11.169 (7.5 psi, 94.0 octane)
11.167 (7.5 psi, 94.0 octane)
11.353 (7.5 psi, 98.6 octane)
11.414 (7.5 psi, 98.6 octane)
11.340 (7.5 psi, 98.6 octane)
11.130 (9.5 psi, 98.6 octane)
10.727 (11.0 psi, 98.6 octane)

Bold = record for this car

Note: The above E.T.s don't quite match up with what you'd expect as it relates to turning up the boost, and this is because I'm still learning to launch and we still have some tranny tuning issues to resolve above ~ 600 RWHP. Give us some time to figure this out. ;)


Re Raise, you ever take that monster on the highway for some fun runs? If so, does it shift crisp without hitting the rev limiter from a roll?
Yes, this car is my daily driver, so I drive ~ 50 miles on the highway every day. I only run ~ 7.5 psi of boost on the highway, since that's enough to still spin the street tires at 100 mph. And I can't go WOT in first or second gear at all, so the tranny tuning issues are pretty much transparent on the street.

G8GT721
04-26-2009, 09:17 PM
NICE!!

i can't wait to track mine

jittrbugg
04-27-2009, 08:12 AM
We still have more to learn, but we’re very proud of how our flagship car has performed so far. After only eight passes on the current combination, we were able to dip into the tens with no weight reduction whatsoever. Thanks very much to Ed Morad of Morad Parts Company, and Bob and Rob Cook from B & R Racing who came out Summit Motorsports Park last night to offer their support.

We made five passes at Norwalk, with each run coming in quicker and faster than the previous. We called it a night and stopped once we achieved our goal, since we still had to drive 100 miles home. Here’s a video that Todd shot of our last run (10.727 @ 129.87 mph). The car in the right lane making me look slow there ran 8.704 @ 156.19 mph. Please right click, save as:

http://www.intense-racing.com/movies/INTENSETTG8GT_1072.wmv

The in-car video camera battery went dead at the beginning of the quickest run, but here’s a video of the previous one (11.130 @ 125.72 mph). Please right click, save as:

http://www.intense-racing.com/movies/INTENSETTG8GT_InCar1.wmv

I’ll try to scan the timeslip and get it posted here soon. In the interim, here are all the intervals for the number crunchers, or anyone who might be wondering what kind of lights an old guy like me normally cuts:

Reaction: .029
60’: 1.711
330’: 4.603
660’: 6.948 @ 104.49 mph
1,000’: 8.984
1,320’: 10.727 @ 129.87 mph

Current mods installed include:

APS intercooled twin turbo kit
AEM Tru Boost electronic boost controller
Autometer fuel pressure and oil pressure gauges
Custom 4-gallon surge tank (trunk-mounted)
Dual Walbro GSS392 inline fuel pumps
AN -6 Teflon-lined fuel lines (dual feed and single return)
Aeromotive LS7 fuel rails (modified)
Siemens shorty 60 pounds/hour fuel injectors
Aeromotive fuel pressure regulator
Katech connecting rod bolts
AFM (DOD) and LOMA disabled and removed
CompCams custom camshaft
LS7 lifters
LS2 cam gear and timing chain
TFS chrome moly pushrods
Pac 130 pound valvesprings
Titanium valvespring retainers
ARP head studs
Powerbond harmonic balancer
Autolite AR103 spark plugs
Magnaflow 3" dual exhaust system
INTENSE 160 degree thermostat
INTENSE custom dyno tune using HP Tuners
FTI 2,800 stall torque converter
Driveshaft Shop chrome moly driveshaft
B & R Racing driveshaft loop
Pedders Track II suspension system
BMR sub-frame connectors
B & R Racing chrome moly tunnel brace
CCW Drag Pack 16 x 9.5” rear wheels
M & H 26 x 11.50” street slicks

I want to take a minute to thank a few people who have been most helpful with this project recently.

+ Bob from B & R Racing (installed most items, fabricated chassis components and assisted with lots of great advice)
+ Brian from Dyno Tune Motorsports (assisted with the custom dyno tuning)
+ Chris from HP Tuners (assisted with tuning)

We still have a few small issues to work through. Tuning the 6L80E above the 600 RWHP level is proving to be exceptionally challenging. For example, we were still hitting the 7,000 rpm rev limiter on the 2-3 upshift. Also, the car has enough power to be launched much harder, so we’ll be trying to develop a game plan to make this happen. We will continue working through these issues, so look for our times to drop over the next few months. The official goal for this car is to run nines at full weight by the end of the race season. :driving:

Nice Scott. Can you send me some pics of the drag pack on the car?

Melissa

johnh
04-27-2009, 08:22 AM
Great times! Can't wait to see it get faster...

Dave @ INTENSE
04-27-2009, 11:57 AM
Very impressive Scott! I sure hope Pontiac ends up sticking around!

johnh
04-27-2009, 12:19 PM
I sure hope Pontiac ends up sticking around!

Its gone.

Chipless
04-27-2009, 12:49 PM
Nice Scott. Can you send me some pics of the drag pack on the car?
I haven't run the fronts yet, but here are some shots with the rears on. :driving:

Dave @ INTENSE
04-27-2009, 12:50 PM
Its gone.
I'm in denial still!

jittrbugg
04-27-2009, 01:36 PM
I haven't run the fronts yet, but here are some shots with the rears on. :driving:

And just what are you waiting for on the fronts? :rolleyes: Wouldn't that drop the weight a little?

Melissa

Chipless
04-27-2009, 01:51 PM
And just what are you waiting for on the fronts? :rolleyes: Wouldn't that drop the weight a little?
Yes, we estimate that the fronts will be worth a tenth in the quarter mile. But I'm still a little green and afraid of the car, so give me a little time. :gears:

jittrbugg
04-27-2009, 02:28 PM
Yes, we estimate that the fronts will be worth a tenth in the quarter mile. But I'm still a little green and afraid of the car, so give me a little time. :gears:

We need a smiley with a chicken! j/k. Definitely make sure you are comfortable with the car first. When you do get the fronts on make sure you send me some pics. :slap:

Melissa

Cloudwraith
04-27-2009, 04:11 PM
Here is an exclusive spy photo of the INTENSE TT G8 GT when we were test fitting the drag pack:

http://www.intense-racing.com/pics/G8TT/DSC00919.JPG

Cloudwraith
04-27-2009, 04:12 PM
Timeslip for the 10 second run:

http://www.intense-racing.com/pics/timeslips/Scott_Cook_G8_1072_Large.jpg

jittrbugg
04-27-2009, 04:24 PM
Here is an exclusive spy photo of the INTENSE TT G8 GT when we were test fitting the drag pack:

http://www.intense-racing.com/pics/G8TT/DSC00919.JPG

Sweet thanks.

Melissa

steined
04-28-2009, 09:16 AM
Nice runs Scott! I'd like to get out and see you run next time.

Chipless
05-01-2009, 09:56 AM
To help celebrate this record, we just announced a special '10.72 sales promotion'. We'll ship any order in the continental U.S. via U.P.S. Ground for $10.72 right now. :)

http://www.g8board.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15467

HSVQUE
08-23-2009, 06:14 PM
Just like to say this is an awesome effort.. and Congratz

Couple of quick q's..


Was the car ran full weight if so have you had the car weighed before? as im interested to know the race weight.

& also what diff gears does this Car Run?


Rob

Walter
08-23-2009, 07:31 PM
Was the car ran full weight if so have you had the car weighed before? as im interested to know the race weight.

& also what diff gears does this Car Run?


Rob

im 90% sure there is no weight reduction, in fact it may be a bit heavier than stock with twin turboes and the fuel cell in the trunk.

stock gears also :)

HSVQUE
08-23-2009, 07:54 PM
what is stock 2.9's? or do these have the 3.46's?

The Commodore
08-23-2009, 09:42 PM
what is stock 2.9's? or do these have the 3.46's?
Our stock gears are 2.92. For the G8 GT.

Cloudwraith
08-24-2009, 08:13 AM
im 90% sure there is no weight reduction, in fact it may be a bit heavier than stock with twin turboes and the fuel cell in the trunk.

stock gears also :)

Correct. There are a lot of extra parts that added weight to the whole car. I don't think we have a race weight but I'll check with Scott.

95ImpalaSS407TT
08-24-2009, 08:21 AM
Great, Man I cant wait for my Turbo set up.

Cant wait to see you guys go into the 9's territory...

gearhead65
08-29-2009, 06:59 PM
Anybody know what 0-60 time this would run? I am guessing about 2.5 sec. That thing accelerates quite briskly in that video!! Crazy!!

nadnerb
08-30-2009, 12:55 AM
We still have more to learn, but we’re very proud of how our flagship car has performed so far. After only eight passes on the current combination, we were able to dip into the tens with no weight reduction whatsoever. Thanks very much to Ed Morad of Morad Parts Company, and Bob and Rob Cook from B & R Racing who came out Summit Motorsports Park last night to offer their support.

We made five passes at Norwalk, with each run coming in quicker and faster than the previous. We called it a night and stopped once we achieved our goal, since we still had to drive 100 miles home. Here’s a video that Todd shot of our last run (10.727 @ 129.87 mph). The car in the right lane making me look slow there ran 8.704 @ 156.19 mph. Please right click, save as:

http://www.intense-racing.com/movies/INTENSETTG8GT_1072.wmv

The in-car video camera battery went dead at the beginning of the quickest run, but here’s a video of the previous one (11.130 @ 125.72 mph). Please right click, save as:

http://www.intense-racing.com/movies/INTENSETTG8GT_InCar1.wmv

I’ll try to scan the timeslip and get it posted here soon. In the interim, here are all the intervals for the number crunchers, or anyone who might be wondering what kind of lights an old guy like me normally cuts:

Reaction: .029
60’: 1.711
330’: 4.603
660’: 6.948 @ 104.49 mph
1,000’: 8.984
1,320’: 10.727 @ 129.87 mph

http://www.intense-racing.com/pics/timeslips/Scott_Cook_G8_1072_Large.jpg

Current mods installed include:

APS intercooled twin turbo kit
AEM Tru Boost electronic boost controller
Autometer fuel pressure and oil pressure gauges
Custom 4-gallon surge tank (trunk-mounted)
Dual Walbro GSS392 inline fuel pumps
AN -6 Teflon-lined fuel lines (dual feed and single return)
Aeromotive LS7 fuel rails (modified)
Siemens shorty 60 pounds/hour fuel injectors
Aeromotive fuel pressure regulator
Katech connecting rod bolts
AFM (DOD) and LOMA disabled and removed
CompCams custom camshaft
LS7 lifters
LS2 cam gear and timing chain
TFS chrome moly pushrods
Pac 130 pound valvesprings
Titanium valvespring retainers
ARP head studs
Powerbond harmonic balancer
Autolite AR103 spark plugs
Magnaflow 3" dual exhaust system
INTENSE 160 degree thermostat
INTENSE custom dyno tune using HP Tuners
FTI 2,800 stall torque converter
Driveshaft Shop chrome moly driveshaft
B & R Racing driveshaft loop
Pedders Track II suspension system
BMR sub-frame connectors
B & R Racing chrome moly tunnel brace
CCW Drag Pack 16 x 9.5” rear wheels
M & H 26 x 11.50” street slicks

I want to take a minute to thank a few people who have been most helpful with this project recently.

+ Bob from B & R Racing (installed most items, fabricated chassis components and assisted with lots of great advice)
+ Brian from Dyno Tune Motorsports (assisted with the custom dyno tuning)
+ Chris from HP Tuners (assisted with tuning)

We still have a few small issues to work through. Tuning the 6L80E above the 600 RWHP level is proving to be exceptionally challenging. For example, we were still hitting the 7,000 rpm rev limiter on the 2-3 upshift. Also, the car has enough power to be launched much harder, so we’ll be trying to develop a game plan to make this happen. We will continue working through these issues, so look for our times to drop over the next few months. The official goal for this car is to run nines at full weight by the end of the race season. :driving:

Are you running a stock rear diff and CV joints?

Walter
08-30-2009, 05:08 AM
stock diff and last time i checked, axels and cv joints. they mentioned an upgrade though.

wreckwriter
08-30-2009, 09:48 AM
Ever get your shifts straightened out?

Cloudwraith
08-30-2009, 06:44 PM
Ever get your shifts straightened out?

No, but we haven't really be driven to yet. It doesn't do it on the street so our best guess is a tire size that needs adjusted for. We haven't had much luck getting a lot of passes in a row and we usually go to the track more in the fall. And until someone beats our record it hasn't been a high priority for us.

M3EvoBR
08-30-2009, 09:57 PM
very nice ... congrats on the car.
I recognize the track, from Buschur Racing Shootout !
Do you know them ?

nadnerb
08-31-2009, 07:29 PM
How on earth are the stock diff and cv's taking that punishment? That's at least half again the HP of the stock vehicle, with a lot more grip, too. Wow! Maybe I won't worry about a little wheel hop now and then in my stock GXP.

ujokin2
09-01-2009, 01:06 AM
What have you all done about the Turbo lag @ launch. (ability to spool up)? As I see your 60Ft is holding you back a bit from going deeper into the 10's.

Cloudwraith
09-01-2009, 12:29 PM
What have you all done about the Turbo lag @ launch. (ability to spool up)? As I see your 60Ft is holding you back a bit from going deeper into the 10's.

The turbos are spooled by the time we launch. Basically we just hold the brake at the line and spool them up before launching. Depending on how long we wait dictates how much boost we launch at. Our 60's are high because we were not able to hold the tires at higher boost launches. It isn't a power or turbo spool problem so much as a traction problem.

Cloudwraith
09-01-2009, 12:30 PM
How on earth are the stock diff and cv's taking that punishment? That's at least half again the HP of the stock vehicle, with a lot more grip, too. Wow! Maybe I won't worry about a little wheel hop now and then in my stock GXP.

The stock limited slip seems to be holding up quite well. We did upgrade to stronger axles as a precaution but the stock ones didn't show any problems on our earlier runs.

ujokin2
09-01-2009, 02:48 PM
The turbos are spooled by the time we launch. Basically we just hold the brake at the line and spool them up before launching. Depending on how long we wait dictates how much boost we launch at. Our 60's are high because we were not able to hold the tires at higher boost launches. It isn't a power or turbo spool problem so much as a traction problem.


That is interesting... great for you guys ! We tried brake stalling ... with a small 2800 stall and we are not able to hold it on the line nor spool quick enough. Being such... we have terrible 60 fts. We will be testing out a transbrake and a really high stall convertor to see if that will help us launch.

Great to see you all having success !

Cloudwraith
09-01-2009, 02:55 PM
Don't get me wrong, we don't launch at 12psi, LOL. Depending on track conditions we can usually launch at 1-4 psi however even at that little pressure by the time we put the pedal down to the floor the turbos are spooled completely.