Mostly all the Holden Commodores models come with a larger higher set rear spoiler which IMO looks aggressive so why did Pontiac opted for that tiny little lip?

I think at least the GXP should have a HSV one to set it off from the base G8 or GT.

It seems like Lutz was going for the subtle look along the lines of BMW. Somewhere there is a reference to him actually axing the wing at the last minute.

Chip

No spoiler is best IMO.

Hahahaaha........wonder when we get a spoiler delete thread

I think it's better for them to offer it as an option.

I would love that spoiler on the car. I wonder how if it would bolt directly in place of the current spoiler or if you would have to drill new holes

I would love that spoiler on the car. I wonder how if it would bolt directly in place of the current spoiler or if you would have to drill new holes

More holes. Then you have to fill in the other holes.

Are the trunk lids from the SSV and the G8 a direct swap out? I thought the bigger wing would be a nice addition. I know what Lutz was going for but at the minimum the larger wing should be a dealer option. If they can do this for the Cobalt SS, they can do it for the G8.

Forget the wing. Makes the G8 look like a cheap rice rocket. Trust Lutz on this one.

Well... I'm thinking of getting a SSV spoiler cause it'll probably bolt right onto a G8. My guess is it will since both the commodore and g8 probably share the same trunk / boot. I can't confirm the SSV spoiler will bolt right on but when I do, I've got family in Melbourne who can ship me one with no problem.

I'm getting waaay too ahead of myself cause it's another 7 months before I actually see what a GXP looks like in person.

Forget the wing. Makes the G8 look like a cheap rice rocket. Trust Lutz on this one.

Also a ticket magnet...due to burp pipe cars road racing (very dangerous) down this way the police watch for those cars and a wing is on a lot of them...

if you do get a rear wing, don't get the one currently offered on australian models.

the middle east and south african's have stuck with the proper full sized 2-tone rear wing, where i think it got deleted in australia due to rear vision issues :D

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/849/ssv03gk9.jpg

verses what we get now

http://img.drive.com.au/drive_images/Editorial/2006/08/02/sv621M_m.jpg

It seems like Lutz was going for the subtle look along the lines of BMW. Somewhere there is a reference to him actually axing the wing at the last minute.

Chip


I know I read that he axed the wing on the GXP at the last minute.

Hahahaaha........wonder when we get a spoiler delete thread

I saw a picture of a SSV on ls1.com.au without the wing/spoiler, not even the lip spoiler. It actually looked pretty damn good.

Just make it an option and you can decide when you buy your car.

How difficult is it?

I know I read that he axed the wing on the GXP at the last minute.

High five, Bob. Establish the image as a premium car, not an overgrown Civic.

Just make it an option and you can decide when you buy your car.

How difficult is it?

Two additional holes would have to be drilled into trunk lid.

The sports models in Australia all have the rear trunk spoiler, there are 2 available (SV6 = G8 V6 or the SS = G8 GT V8) Down Under. There are already "marked" spoiler hole mounting locations on the under side of the trunk and the G8 GT already uses 2 of these holes. The up-spec Calais model (Calais-V) gets the same lip spoiler as the GT and is more suited to the BMW look which is what the G8 GT sales/marketing is aimed at. The lower spec Commodores are the ones without rear spoilers only. BTW JHP (soon to be sponsor, hello Jon) have both of these factory style spoilers to fit your G8, www.jhp.com.au

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/849/ssv03gk9.jpg

verses what we get now

http://img.drive.com.au/drive_images/Editorial/2006/08/02/sv621M_m.jpg[/QUOTE]

Spoilers like that belong on Japanese 4 bangers, not a high class car like the G8

Just make it an option and you can decide when you buy your car.

How difficult is it?

I'm sure it changes the crash test results if a different spoiler is fitted.
I agree bring the G8 in without a spoiler and let the customer decide... nude, lip, or high wing, then if you decide to go nude there isnt any holes to fill.

Two additional holes would have to be drilled into trunk lid.

What about the extra holes that need to be filled from the lip spoiler ?

Spoilers like that belong on Japanese 4 bangers, not a high class car like the G8

The 04-06 GTOs came with a high rise spoiler, is that car considered high class or rice? Dodge's Charger R/T and SRT's have it.

Fact is most performance oriented cars come with some type of high rise spoiler even if some aren't so sporty in the go-go department.

BMW sells plenty of their cars in Australia. Holden sales of the Commodore Clubsport, SSV and HSV models were their strongest in 2007. You don't hear those owners complaining about their high rise spoilers...and those cars are priced in the same BMW market. Plus are considered high end luxury cars like the BMW so go figure.

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/849/ssv03gk9.jpg


http://img.drive.com.au/drive_images/Editorial/2006/08/02/sv621M_m.jpg



Is the SV6 spoiler is shorter in height than the SSV one? If so then I think the SV6 one will look better on the GXP.

will trade hood scoops for a mild wing

I think we have to remember that the G8 is not strictly a hot rod like the GTO was targeted. More production, larger, more spread-out customer base, and the future possibility of adding a strong 4-banger to it for fuel economy to offset V8 losses to CAFE requirements. BMW jockeys don't go for the wings unless they're essential for high speed handling safety. Pontiac is selling these GTs to an initial performance fan base, but no doubt intends to go more mainstream in their marketing as production is available. Many of us old timers think the wings look like handles used to pull the disabled machine into the shop for repairs. Yes, my GTO has one, and no, I don't particularly care for it. The G8 is a family sedan even if it is a hot handling car with loads of power.

I love that spoiler !!!!!!!!!!

I love that spoiler !!!!!!!!!!


Me too, I'm pro choice for a spoiler option at the owner's like/dislike.


:popcorn2:

will trade hood scoops for a mild wing

Nah, I love the scoops. Makes the g8 the bad ass aggressive car that it is.

Is the SV6 spoiler is shorter in height than the SSV one? If so then I think the SV6 one will look better on the GXP.

yeah the smaller wing is about 1" lower than the full-sized version.

i prefer the bigger one, as it has matt black underside and legs, helps break up the rear a bit.

The 04-06 GTOs came with a high rise spoiler, is that car considered high class or rice? Dodge's Charger R/T and SRT's have it.

Fact is most performance oriented cars come with some type of high rise spoiler even if some aren't so sporty in the go-go department.

BMW sells plenty of their cars in Australia. Holden sales of the Commodore Clubsport, SSV and HSV models were their strongest in 2007. You don't hear those owners complaining about their high rise spoilers...and those cars are priced in the same BMW market. Plus are considered high end luxury cars like the BMW so go figure.

The GTO was a failure in sales with no big public image. Whether it had a spoiler is irrelevant. The Charger, IMHO, is a lower class car. There is no high rise spoiler on the Chrysler 300C SRT, right? Also I don't see these kind of spoilers on BMWs.

Pontiac is at a critical point in redefining its image as a reasonably priced BMW alternative. Every decision should enhance this goal. I the States, most cars with high spoilers are rice. Not the image we want for the G8. Follow BMW's lead, IMHO.

G8>550i - I understand your point.

Styling decisions and brand marque all plays a roll in marketing a car. Re-inventing a brand such as Pontiac is very exciting.

I don't see why in your opinion that you believe one car or the other is lower or sub-par. If you took a "good" look at a performance sedan in market in the last few years, you may have already figure out what brand X sedan Pontiac got its sights set on. I'll give you a hint...it's the Chrysler's and Dodge highly successful LX SRT line not the BMWs.

It doesn't matter what the marketing scheme is for pushing the G8, it's still not a BMW or even close. BMW current 3 series and 5 series vehicles base models starts at $36K to 50K. If you were to buy a 3 or 5 series BMW you'd get way more in terms of base appointments in a quality car such as gadgetry and refinement verse what a fully optioned out G8 or GXP would cost. It's apples and oranges when compared. If I had $50K to blow on a performance sedan today it wouldn't be a Pontiac...my choice would be Cadillac's new 550hp supercharged CTS-V.

Pontiac is pushing the G8 because it needs to be as successful as Chrysler AND BMW. It's a nice goal to achieve if the G8 can compete with either of them. IMHO it'll never happen. I don't think people who can afford a BMW wouldn't be interested in a G8 unless it's their daily driver or a play toy! But marketing the car to sway buyers away from BMW is blasphemy!

So wing or lip spoiler on the G8 doesn't really matter. I praised the fact we get the opportunity to enjoy what the Aussie have been enjoying from Global GM.

I think Mr. Lutz is trying a little too hard by not having a SSV or SV6 spoiler as an option rice or no rice, its a nice looking spoiler and would liven up the G8 looks...especially the GXP.

Certainly in terms of price I agree the direct competition comes from Chrysler. A fair amount of people on this board (including me) have been cross shopping this car with a Cadillac CTS. My lease trade-in is a CTS. Certainly if you company is paying for it you'll spend the $60K and get a BMW, MB or even the new Jag XF. But if it is your own coin, paying an extra $30K (100%) more for a lot of electronic gizmos doesn't sound like such a great deal. That money would buy a nice vacation every year of the life of the car, or make a great down payment on a Corvette. So I think the G8 will pull some luxury sports sedan buyers as well as Charger clientele. I think Dodge is a little over the top...the 300C is more direct competition IMHO.

IN any case I hope GM steal sales from all the luxury imports as well as Dodge.

And most importantly, I think my black G8 will look right at home parked next to the partners black E-Classes, BMW 325 and Lexus GS.

So do these Aussie spoilers have a part number to where the Pontiac dealer can order them?? I did see some post for dealer add on stuff showed a high wing spoiler so I am guessing that we should be able to get them. Btw, my wife actually wants a taller spoiler!:eek2:

I love that spoiler !!!!!!!!!!

DITTO!

So do these Aussie spoilers have a part number to where the Pontiac dealer can order them?? I did see some post for dealer add on stuff showed a high wing spoiler so I am guessing that we should be able to get them. Btw, my wife actually wants a taller spoiler!:eek2:

Aussie parts are not offered in US from the dealers , but you can contact JHP
http://www.jhp.com.au/jhpgto/ContactUs.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0TihhJnfqA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzq1Djl-UZA&feature=related


Here's a couple of spoilers I found on youtube.

One is captured in Melbourne with what looks to be a SSV spoiler and behind the aussie woman appears to be a SV6 on a G8.

Pontiac is never going to be a premium car brand, NEVER. The G8 will not change any perceptions about the brand, in fact the brand will color the car more than anything else.

The G8 is also about as far from a premium car as a sedan gets and is in the Charger's direct line of fire. The G8 simply doesn't have the interior trim, features or brand cachet to lure anyone out of a BMW or any other luxury car. That's a laughable assertion and the G8 really shouldn't be directly compared to them because if luxury is the highest on your list the G8 loses, even to Hyundai's upcoming German car knockoff Genesis.

GM tacked hood scoops on every model. The top models get altezza lights. They saddled the GXP with big blingy chrome wheels and you can't get a G8 without tacky chrome trim around the greenhouse. GM is even using gangsta rapper 50 Cent to promote this car at shows, but Holden's spoiler is too ricey for some of you? Give a me break.

Holden didn't engineer or intend this car to be a BMW or remotely German, it's a four-door muscle car for the masses and there's no getting away from that. GM doesn't even market the car as "premium", they market it on cheap MSRP and performance, just like a muscle car.

Fact is GM is alienating what is left of Pontiac's core audience and people interested in the car like us that want the choice of Holden's spoiler, a manual transmission for the L98, no chrome trim, and Holden's eye-catching hues like Morpheus, Atomic and Crunch.

There's no good reason the spoiler shouldn't be optional for those of us that want it.

I wish Atomic and Crunch both made it over here.:(

Pontiac is never going to be a premium car brand, NEVER. The G8 will not change any perceptions about the brand, in fact the brand will color the car more than anything else.

The G8 is also about as far from a premium car as a sedan gets and is in the Charger's direct line of fire. The G8 simply doesn't have the interior trim, features or brand cachet to lure anyone out of a BMW or any other luxury car. That's a laughable assertion and the G8 really shouldn't be directly compared to them because if luxury is the highest on your list the G8 loses, even to Hyundai's upcoming German car knockoff Genesis.

GM tacked hood scoops on every model. The top models get altezza lights. They saddled the GXP with big blingy chrome wheels and you can't get a G8 without tacky chrome trim around the greenhouse. GM is even using gangsta rapper 50 Cent to promote this car at shows, but Holden's spoiler is too ricey for some of you? Give a me break.

Holden didn't engineer or intend this car to be a BMW or remotely German, it's a four-door muscle car for the masses and there's no getting away from that. GM doesn't even market the car as "premium", they market it on cheap MSRP and performance, just like a muscle car.

Fact is GM is alienating what is left of Pontiac's core audience and people interested in the car like us that want the choice of Holden's spoiler, a manual transmission for the L98, no chrome trim, and Holden's eye-catching hues like Morpheus, Atomic and Crunch.

There's no good reason the spoiler shouldn't be optional for those of us that want it.

Wow, chill out, man. The G8 interior is plenty nice, about at the level of my 2004 CTS. Lot of cars have some sort of "scoop" Big thing now is putting them on the fenders. Just look at BMWs or Jag XF.

<Holden didn't engineer or intend this car to be a BMW or remotely German> You're seriously off base here. The suspension is straight out of the 5 Series playbook and the styling is what the 5 Series should have looked like.

<you can't get a G8 without tacky chrome trim around the greenhouse> yes, and you can't get a Jag XF , Lexus GS or most BMWs without it either. The chrome is not "tacky" , it is good looking and appropriate for the image of the car. It would look like an overgrown Civic without it.

<Fact is GM is alienating what is left of Pontiac's core audience > They have to do better than that to save the brand. They have to sell to people outside the "core audience", people who never looked seriously at a Pontiac before, people like me.

Pontiac can't be saved as a brand, GM killed any chance of this car conquesting anyone from a foreign brand when they stuck Pontiac cues on it. That's pretty much the sentiment everywhere else on the internet except for well, you.

Holden didn't engineer this car to be Euro in any respect. Nobody is buying them in Australia thinking they got a 5-Series, they bought it because it's an affordable and moddable muscle car and they like big burnouts and going down the quarter mile. You'd get laughed at in Australia if you asserted the car was an honest competitor to the 5-Series, it really isn't on the same level.

It's simply a four-door muscle car just like our Dodge Charger except GM did their damnedest to make it as boring as possible for America, NOT as Holden intended.

Pontiac can't be saved as a brand, GM killed any chance of this car conquesting anyone from a foreign brand when they stuck Pontiac cues on it. That's pretty much the sentiment everywhere else on the internet except for well, you.

Holden didn't engineer this car to be Euro in any respect. Nobody is buying them in Australia thinking they got a 5-Series, they bought it because it's an affordable and moddable muscle car and they like big burnouts and going down the quarter mile. You'd get laughed at in Australia if you asserted the car was an honest competitor to the 5-Series, it really isn't on the same level.

It's simply a four-door muscle car just like our Dodge Charger except GM did their damnedest to make it as boring as possible for America, NOT as Holden intended.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. ;)

I'm going to say 'YES.. but it doesn't need the wing just looks better with it, and by better I mean sportier, If your going for CLASS (bmw) look alike then no spoiler. and I have to say yes due to the fact I have the SSV..

http://images.streetfire.net/handlers/getsizedimage.ashx?id=1037192&w=523

That really looks great on black.

Pontiac can't be saved as a brand, GM killed any chance of this car conquesting anyone from a foreign brand when they stuck Pontiac cues on it. That's pretty much the sentiment everywhere else on the internet except for well, you.

Holden didn't engineer this car to be Euro in any respect. Nobody is buying them in Australia thinking they got a 5-Series, they bought it because it's an affordable and moddable muscle car and they like big burnouts and going down the quarter mile. You'd get laughed at in Australia if you asserted the car was an honest competitor to the 5-Series, it really isn't on the same level.

It's simply a four-door muscle car just like our Dodge Charger except GM did their damnedest to make it as boring as possible for America, NOT as Holden intended.


Chill! Automobile Mag did a direct comparison of the G8 with the 6 Series. IN terms of acceleration and handlling the cars were virtually indistinguishable. In terms of styling, they said the G8 looked great, real star power. And they noted the real side window is virtually indistiguishable from a Bmw. Yes they said the interior of the BMW was nicer as you would expect since it cost you 30 K more. But out on the road, the G8 can handle the 550i. In a comparison with the Charger, the G8 outclasses it in every way...superior speed, HP, handling, ride, styling. the Charger is clearly inferior.

The way you keep getting worked up leads me to believe that we got our first crossover from the Biimmer board, desperatly trying to prove the extra $40 K was worth it.:slap:

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. ;)

Who's going anywhere?

I have a feeling GM will be giving me what it costs me to alter the appearance of the car when they start discounting them like they did the GTO. :thumbsup:

The way you keep getting worked up leads me to believe that we got our first crossover from the Biimmer board, desperatly trying to prove the extra $40 K was worth it.:slap:

I'm a Holden fan that sees GM mismanaging the car in America just like they did the GTO. It'd be nice if we got all the colors and features Holden already builds the car with including the spoiler but for whatever reason GM likes to mess around with things that needed absolutely no messing with.

I read all the comparisons of this car, they aren't really direct because if they were and both cars cost the same the BMW will win every time. Automobile basically said the BMW is better but it's a compliment to the Pontiac to just be "comparable".

An automobile is more than it's paper specs, BMW's offer a level of refinement, technology and overall engineering virtually unmatched which is why they are always benchmarked even by Holden, but Holdens are their own thing, they aren't Euro or BMW even if they crib the same rear window kink that everyone else currently uses.

Said BMW and Charger will also handily outsell this car. The Charger is an older car and though the G8 may be slighter better being newer the Charger is still a nice car with a very big trump card, style. The Charger is an aggressive and thoroughly American design, one that draws people and attention. GM changed the Commodore's styling enough so that it now looks like any number of generic Pontiacs from the last 15 years. Not so good for a car that's supposed to "save" the brand.

Who's going anywhere?

I have a feeling GM will be giving me what it costs me to alter the appearance of the car when they start discounting them like they did the GTO. :thumbsup:

No need for discounts when all the GTs for 2008 are already sold. The GTO needed discounts because it was $3K more and looked like a Cavalier.

I'm a Holden fan that sees GM mismanaging the car in America just like they did the GTO. It'd be nice if we got all the colors and features Holden already builds the car with including the spoiler but for whatever reason GM likes to mess around with things that needed absolutely no messing with.

I read all the comparisons of this car, they aren't really direct because if they were and both cars cost the same the BMW will win every time. Automobile basically said the BMW is better but it's a compliment to the Pontiac to just be "comparable".

An automobile is more than it's paper specs, BMW's offer a level of refinement, technology and overall engineering virtually unmatched which is why they are always benchmarked even by Holden, but Holdens are their own thing, they aren't Euro or BMW even if they crib the same rear window kink that everyone else currently uses.

Said BMW and Charger will also handily outsell this car. The Charger is an older car and though the G8 may be slighter better being newer the Charger is still a nice car with a very big trump card, style. The Charger is an aggressive and thoroughly American design, one that draws people and attention. GM changed the Commodore's styling enough so that it now looks like any number of generic Pontiacs from the last 15 years. Not so good for a car that's supposed to "save" the brand.

You obvoiusly dont read much of this board. the G8 owners are getting compliments left and right for this cars styling. The Charger looks old and boxy in comparison.

Who's going anywhere?

I have a feeling GM will be giving me what it costs me to alter the appearance of the car when they start discounting them like they did the GTO. :thumbsup:

If they do end up discounting them, it will be because of $5.00 gas, not styling cues.

If they do end up discounting them, it will be because of $5.00 gas, not styling cues.

They're already giving discounts where I'm at(san antonio). The dealer where I test drove the g8 gt which had 2 888 series for going on 3 weeks now, because the first week they had them marked up. Nobody had any interest so they went to sticker, a week later they called me back up said they are now offering $1500 off if you have anyone in the family that owns any GM new or old bring it to show proof and thats it. The g8's aren't popular here in san antonio, maybe with time tho. And by the way it does look alot better with the spoiler IMHO. And to those who say It's not meant to be on this luxury/classy car, Please It's a Pontiac, it's called "VALUE" cheap luxury just like Chrysler/Dodge LX series(which I own). Want classy/luxury buy a Bmw or something.

So do these Aussie spoilers have a part number to where the Pontiac dealer can order them?? I did see some post for dealer add on stuff showed a high wing spoiler so I am guessing that we should be able to get them. Btw, my wife actually wants a taller spoiler!:eek2:

You get your GM dealer to contact JHP (www.g8partsdirect.com) because we ship the SS-V and the SV6 high spoiler direct to the dealer, color matched.

It doesn't matter what the marketing scheme is for pushing the G8, it's still not a BMW or even close. BMW current 3 series and 5 series vehicles base models starts at $36K to 50K. If you were to buy a 3 or 5 series BMW you'd get way more in terms of base appointments in a quality car such as gadgetry and refinement verse what a fully optioned out G8 or GXP would cost. It's apples and oranges when compared. If I had $50K to blow on a performance sedan today it wouldn't be a Pontiac...my choice would be Cadillac's new 550hp supercharged CTS-V.
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Why not just buy a G8 GT for $30K and add a HTV (Harrop-Eaton) 2.3 supercharger and have some $$ for bigger brakes, suspension, exhaust and still be left $$$$. www.g8partsdirect.com
http://www.harrop.com.au/site_resources/1020/616/image/10-2/VE_HH_Left_Long.jpg
http://www.harrop.com.au/site_resources/1018/616/image/10-2/VE_HH_Left2.jpg

The 09' GT's will have a high rise spoiler option

The 09' GT's will have a high rise spoiler option

where do you get the info? What's the option code?

all 2009 changes are listed here. The tall spoiler never was an option and even bluetooth now got dropped.
http://www.g8board.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=842&stc=1&d=1209156714

You get your GM dealer to contact JHP (www.g8partsdirect.com) because we ship the SS-V and the SV6 high spoiler direct to the dealer, color matched.


How much is this service? Factory GM parts or aftermarket?

How much is this service? Factory GM parts or aftermarket?

Genuine Holden parts
The SS-V spoiler is about $615 painted & delivered, or about $100 less unpainted, there is also a smaller SV6 spoiler or the HSV Senator lip spoiler both available from JHP.

Put me down for "No spoiler, thanks!" but that's a personal style choice, not a political statement. :p

I think the Commodore / G8 body works well in lots of ways, from unadorned to race-repped. For sure, people that want spoilers should be able to get them without having to send a messenger pigeon to Down Under.

TriShield makes some good points. A car branded as a Pontiac will never steal sales from luxury marques so why even go there? GM is marketing the car as cheap muscle, not sophisticated near-luxury. Pontiac has two decent autos in its current inventory: the G8 and the Solstice, and everything else is a piece of crap, so it's not exactly GM's point brand for cachet. Why GM floated this great Aussie platform as a Pontiac is beyond me but I can imagine it had to do with GM brand turf battles and the concern that the car would cut into other GM brands' models more so than it would at Pontiac.

Anyhow, I didn't buy the thing because it's a Pontiac, I bought it for what it is: a modern-day Buick Wildcat, if you will - a nice roomy sedan with a big-ass engine - driving the rear wheels, mind you - with the benefit of being a really nice-handling and well-put-together car.

And it looks good tricked out (tastefully), or not.

How the hell did I get off on that tangent?

Sorry - carry on! :gr_jest:

Doesnt the G8 have the Senator Lip spoiler?? If not, do you have a pic?

Doesnt the G8 have the Senator Lip spoiler?? If not, do you have a pic?

The genuine GM HSV Senator lip spoiler (below) is larger than the G8 lip, JHP would consider making something similar that would mount in the stock spoiler holes if there was sufficiant interest.

http://digiads.com.au/car-news/images/article_9226-img_8.jpg

Doesn't look bigger, looks different. This spoiler goes back where the G8's spoiler goes up. I'ld like to see one on a G8.

The lip spoiler is beautiful. Way better than the Commodore's spoiler.