Well, How much are you paying for this fine ride?
How much Over would you pay, Dealer Mark-Up/Adjustment/Ass Reaming etc, to have the First G8 in your area?
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None.

They make plenty off MSRP as it is.

None. Not for this car. Not for any car.

No way would I ever pay over MSRP for a car- EVER. Heck, I have trouble enough paying MSRP!! :D

This would be my 13th new GM, and I have never paid sticker, much less "markup" prices....

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My limit for the car is 30k and I have to own a GT. Luckily a friends uncle is the finance manager at a GM/Pontiac dealer so ya... He got a brand new 34K CTS for 24K out the door 2 years ago so I'm hoping I can get a good deal too.

There might not be much room to move on price by the dealers because GM is concentrating on pulling back the high incentive programs they have had over the years. It will be interesting but if the demand is high and supply is low, we may have to pay full pop!!

I personally could pay more than 30,000 but it would have to be loaded with goodies!!

Well, How much are you paying for this fine ride?
How much Over would you pay, Dealer Mark-Up/Adjustment/Ass Reaming etc, to have the First G8 in your area?
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Good question....I would never pay more than sticker.

...and to pay sticker, my passion for the car will have to be high.

It will be interesting but if the demand is high and supply is low, we may have to pay full pop!!
Pontiac dealers want you to pay full pop even if demand is low and supply is high- see the 3800 GTOs still sitting on dealer lots, with many dealers unwilling to negotiate.

Dealers will have to be willing to negotiate with me. If they don't want to talk, I'm gone. If I have to drive a ridiculous amount of miles to find a dealer that will sell at my price, then :thumbsup: for them. All of the others can kiss my :bootyshake:

Amen to that. Dealer's reaming suckers has been the demise of far too many good cars...20th Trans am, Cyclone, aw heck. I can't think of any more right now I get so mad thinking about those stupid dealers. I'll walk out on anyone who isn't willing to deal with me no matter how much I like the car.

Will not pay over MSRP!
Didn't do it on the Solstice GXP, not going to do it on the G8 GT.

If they make a G8 GXP all bets are off about MSRP, but it will be beyond my means anyway!

That's the spirit!
I meant to put this in the Lounge, not the Tech Lounge, (Apologies for that). Many of us owned or still own GTO's. We remember the excitement surrounding the 04's, the journey from OZ, and those who paid 38-45K in the midst of the the chaos for the the right the be the first on the block...
Either way, it should be interesting! (grin).

superNoid,

Your comments on CTS pricing are interesting. There must be more to the story than you're revealing here, because no way is there that much profit in a sale (list $34k, sale $24k). I was a salaried GM employee with "brass hat" privileges and put 3500 miles on a $35k CTS a few years ago and bought it for $29k and change. Your buddy must have bought a well-used demo, not a new car with no miles.

To the others:
I'm also a little dismayed about the pricing attitudes surrounding this car. I guess the Charger/300c cars are the best comparisons, but the G8 represents quite a value/dollar purchase. Why should GM have to wheel/deal with pricing to get sales this time? Did Chrysler give great deals on the Hemi 300 and Chargers when they were first on market? No, and they shouldn't have had to, either. The reward for the manufacturers in giving buyers what they desire should be good profits on sales. I don't mean pricing over MSRP, but you shouldn't expect "fire sale" prices, either. Why wouldn't we consider it a "win-win" if the carmakers give us what we want and they make good money doing that?

Dunno...I plan on getting my Option 1 on it when I walk in, so it *should* be far less than MSRP. We also know someone @ GM Corporate that might be able to get us a good hookup, evidently at some point, he worked on the G8 program when they were still looking at suppliers.

I received some disheartening news yesterday about the future of one of our Saturns. I'm now wondering how much money I'm willing to put into it, versus saving heaps of cash for a downpayment :)

Amen to that. Dealer's reaming suckers has been the demise of far too many good cars...20th Trans am, Cyclone, aw heck. I can't think of any more right now I get so mad thinking about those stupid dealers. I'll walk out on anyone who isn't willing to deal with me no matter how much I like the car.

Will not pay over MSRP!
Didn't do it on the Solstice GXP, not going to do it on the G8 GT.

If they make a G8 GXP all bets are off about MSRP, but it will be beyond my means anyway!

That's the spirit!
I meant to put this in the Lounge, not the Tech Lounge, (Apologies for that). Many of us owned or still own GTO's. We remember the excitement surrounding the 04's, the journey from OZ, and those who paid 38-45K in the midst of the the chaos for the the right the be the first on the block...
Either way, it should be interesting! (grin).

At some point in time, the volume of sales has to account for something, not just the price they are selling them at. I have always thought that sales volume=better prices from the factory. The better price the dealer pays, the better for us. I could be completely wrong on that thought, but that's just the way I've always thought it went.

I am GMS qualified -- So I will not buy it unless they give me the GMS pricing :)

I would concider MSRP for a first year car but not $0.01 more.

If high volume leads to lower pricing, then why aren't they giving away Camrys and Accords?

If high volume leads to lower pricing, then why aren't they giving away Camrys and Accords?

Because the supply is meeting the demand.

If high volume leads to lower pricing, then why aren't they giving away Camrys and Accords?

There not but with there higher resale value there leases are dirt cheap, if you know your investment will be worth something after 3/4 years people don't mind paying retail. When people buy a 33k GTO and cant get 19k two years later THAT scares away buyers IMO

So what you guys are saying is that, for a vehicle to be a good buy and carry substantial resale value after a few years, the manufacturer has to offer a leading-edge product, one that has all the product attributes covered, one that may not be the absolute best in every measurable product area, but one that is at least very good at virtually everything.

I couldn't agree more. A good GM example? Corvette C5/C6.

I'm with most of you, I wouldn't pay a penny over MSRP...heck, the aim is to buy a car under MSRP...isn't it?

My RX8 for instance, goes for (base 6spd like mine...at the time, Dec 2004) 26K without TTT. Well, I got it for 25K with TTT (out the door price) so I got a good deal on my 8. So...over MSRP or MSRP is not something I'd do for anything.

I've never done it with a car, and I've never done it for electronics (like the Wii) so why would I do it for the G8?

The objective in buying a car should not be to haggle with the dealer so you are thousands below MSRP. The better objective is to obtain fair value for your purchase - a fair price paid for a very good car.

^yes, but ummmm....have you been in a dealer lately? Friend....they ALWAYS try to rape you on prices so all I want is a fair price. I understand it's a business, so my simple approach normally is to ask them to match (Out the door price, TTT) or just a little over carsdirect price.

If CD says $27,000 for a car without TTT, I go to the dealer and say give me that at the out the door price. I haggle with them because I've dwelt with them so much that it sickens me even being at those places.

No offense to anyone, but that's the honest truth...I've dwelt with enough people trying to rape me on car sales to know better.

The objective in buying a car should not be to haggle with the dealer so you are thousands below MSRP. The better objective is to obtain fair value for your purchase - a fair price paid for a very good car.

That would be nice, IMO GM has always inflated sticker to show more for trades, and to do there incentives, rebates, ect. If they stopped that BS and priced there cars fairly with no market adjustment(markups) and give good service"lol" after the sale, they would be number one again. I buy GM because its American, not because it's a better product. I will say they are getting better (Caddy/Vette/G8) are good examples..

I will be buying a lightly used CTS-V. Hold onto that for about 3 years and then pickup a used G8. I can't justify buying new. Rather pickup a one year old, lightly used car so I don't eat so much depreciation.

Buying slightly used is a good practice, especially if you intend to do a lot of mods.

30k no more maybe even less :shiner:

The nice thing about being in the military is that you usually get $500-$750 off.

The objective in buying a car should not be to haggle with the dealer so you are thousands below MSRP. The better objective is to obtain fair value for your purchase - a fair price paid for a very good car.

If that was the objective then why the heck does GM bother with a dealer network? I go into dealerships looking to haggle down to invoice price and maybe give them 0-500 more. If the objective was to pay MSRP, GM should add a buy it now button on GMbuypower.com and call it a day, instead of making us go to the dealer and waste many hours trying haggle out the added crap the dealer put on.

As a consumer my objective is to buy for the lowest price, doesn't matter who makes the product and doesn't matter if it's the best or not all that matters is I get the best possible deal. The dealer or GM isn't going to be any nicer to me because I paid more than the other guy.

Sorry, but I hate haggling with a dealer. I prefer the Saturn approach, where the price is a given, not something to be argued about. To each his/her own, I guess.

The objective in buying a car should not be to haggle with the dealer so you are thousands below MSRP. The better objective is to obtain fair value for your purchase - a fair price paid for a very good car.

Buying a car is an adversearial process. The dealer wants to sell it for more than its worth, the customer less than its worth. If the dealership was interested in fair value they wouldn't negotiate they'd have a flat take it or leave it price. Instead they play games trying to rip off suckers.

But by all means pay whatever your dealership wants, that just means when I go in, hes willing to go lower than before because hes already made his profit.

Sorry, but I hate haggling with a dealer. I prefer the Saturn approach, where the price is a given, not something to be argued about. To each his/her own, I guess.

I've read that wasn't necessarily the case with the Sky...

Sorry, but I hate haggling with a dealer. I prefer the Saturn approach, where the price is a given, not something to be argued about. To each his/her own, I guess.

I hate haggling with them too, but I hate getting ripped off even more. I bought my GTO brand new for a little less than $19k after all rebates and GM card earnings and etc. Had I gone in with the attitude of paying MSRP all I would have gotten was my GM card earnings and would have been screwed out of the rebates and GM dealer certificates, money which wouldn't have gone to GM anyways because the dealer would have kept that as profit. So I would have been taken for roughly $10k. How do I know I would have gotten screwed because when I first walked in and asked if they had any deals on the GTO they tried to sell it as a limited edition collectable and were willing to give it to me for MSRP.

Again you can pay what you like, but I'm going to go fo the lowest price I can get, unless GM decides to eliminate the middle man and offer buying direct.

I'm going to go fo the lowest price I can get, unless GM decides to eliminate the middle man and offer buying direct.

That would be cool if they eliminated the Dealer entirely. Have one GM owned dealership where you could look at/test drive, and do all the ordering online. Independent GM qualified Service centers with reasonable service pricing.
We can dream!!!;)

I was just rewatching this C&D Chicago Auto show video on this link

http://www.caranddriver.com/autoshows/12462/2008-pontiac-g8.html

(click Video on the right)

... and this guy said the base V6 should start at around 25k, with a 'stripper' V8 in at ~27K, and the higher end V8 at around 35k.

Does anyone else think this is possible ? I'm in dire need of the 6MT V8, and would certainly take a stripped version of it for ~27k.

Thoughts ?

Sure it can be possible, but I'm skeptical about it, would the gap between V6 and V8 really be just $2K?

IMHO for the V8 I think they will start at $30K for the stripper and $35K for the loaded (I hope I'm mistaken).

What about dealer markups?

What about dealer markups?

Well, what about them? How about we all, on every G8 forum, band together and pledge that

"No matter how much I want this car, how much I need this car, how much I drool over this car, I and thousands and thousands of other like-minded individuals, placing common sense to the forefront, hereby pledge never to succumb to dealer markup on this or any car. We will scour the country for dealers that will promise to respect our decision and that will not charge a dealer markup. We will walk 500 miles to drive home G8 with zero markup. We will cross borders and pay with CAD instead of USD to avoid dealer markup. We will unite and never falter. If we feel threatened that we may lose a deal or may reach for our wallet we will call a friend on the forums who will talk us through. We will prevail, we shall overcome."

Everyone sign here>

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Well, what about them? How about we all, on every G8 forum, band together and pledge that

"No matter how much I want this car, how much I need this car, how much I drool over this car, I and thousands and thousands of other like-minded individuals, placing common sense to the forefront, hereby pledge never to succumb to dealer markup on this or any car. We will scour the country for dealers that will promise to respect our decision and that will not charge a dealer markup. We will walk 500 miles to drive home G8 with zero markup. We will cross borders and pay with CAD instead of USD to avoid dealer markup. We will unite and never falter. If we feel threatened that we may lose a deal or may reach for our wallet we will call a friend on the forums who will talk us through. We will prevail, we shall overcome."

Everyone sign here>

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Jason (CarSuperfreak)


"And I would walk 500 miles and I would walk 500 more. Just to be the man that walked 1000 miles just to fall down at your door. na na na na na, na na na na na....."

Well, what about them? How about we all, on every G8 forum, band together and pledge that

"No matter how much I want this car, how much I need this car, how much I drool over this car, I and thousands and thousands of other like-minded individuals, placing common sense to the forefront, hereby pledge never to succumb to dealer markup on this or any car. We will scour the country for dealers that will promise to respect our decision and that will not charge a dealer markup. We will walk 500 miles to drive home G8 with zero markup. We will cross borders and pay with CAD instead of USD to avoid dealer markup. We will unite and never falter. If we feel threatened that we may lose a deal or may reach for our wallet we will call a friend on the forums who will talk us through. We will prevail, we shall overcome."

Everyone sign here>

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Chris (cdub)

Well, what about them? How about we all, on every G8 forum, band together and pledge that

"No matter how much I want this car, how much I need this car, how much I drool over this car, I and thousands and thousands of other like-minded individuals, placing common sense to the forefront, hereby pledge never to succumb to dealer markup on this or any car. We will scour the country for dealers that will promise to respect our decision and that will not charge a dealer markup. We will walk 500 miles to drive home G8 with zero markup. We will cross borders and pay with CAD instead of USD to avoid dealer markup. We will unite and never falter. If we feel threatened that we may lose a deal or may reach for our wallet we will call a friend on the forums who will talk us through. We will prevail, we shall overcome."

Everyone sign here>

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Keith (sccaGTO)

A big AMEN to that!

Tim (Mothball)

Well, what about them? How about we all, on every G8 forum, band together and pledge that

"No matter how much I want this car, how much I need this car, how much I drool over this car, I and thousands and thousands of other like-minded individuals, placing common sense to the forefront, hereby pledge never to succumb to dealer markup on this or any car. We will scour the country for dealers that will promise to respect our decision and that will not charge a dealer markup. We will walk 500 miles to drive home G8 with zero markup. We will cross borders and pay with CAD instead of USD to avoid dealer markup. We will unite and never falter. If we feel threatened that we may lose a deal or may reach for our wallet we will call a friend on the forums who will talk us through. We will prevail, we shall overcome."

Everyone sign here>

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Ahhhhh-GREED!!!! As appealing as the G8 is, no way in hell would I pay at or over MSRP. Maybe people from GM will be reading this and pass the message along to the dealer network...even an enthusiast community is not willing to be gouged!!

Of course, if you're one of those people who absolutely HAS to have the car in its first year, well, the dealers are going to have fun with you.

Problem for me is, I have no hook-up at GM at either the corporate or dealer level, and there aren't many Pontiac dealerships here...so if they don't treat me right, I will probably never own a G8. That kinda makes me sad now that I think about it...

I remember when I was car shopping in 2004, I went to the Honda dealership and looked at a S2000. They were charging $3000 OVER STICKER. And this was for a car that had already been on the market for 5 YEARS at the time. I wanted to vomit all over it. haha