ok so this post is intended for all you v6 guys who are disappointed with the availability of the g8 v6 aftermarkets parts. members here have said there is hardly little to none aftermarkets parts for the v6, but i have gathered a couple of items which you the members can check out for yourself and start modding your car.most of these parts will have to come from Australia and are good reliable parts which will increase horsepower from this cream puffs, this products installed i would esimate can increase horsepower from 50 to 60 hp gain with out the supercharger and tune. but be warned it is not going to be cheap.

http://www.performancemanifolds.com.au/userfiles/images/CPR6etched.jpghttp://holmart.com.au/online/images/v6%20airhammer%20intake%20.jpghttp://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfiles/82000081/Images/4/PH5080.jpghttp://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u63/blackjack82/ebay/alloytec%20insulator/P1010474_SMALL_MACE.jpghttp://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff16/flamarchesina/011-4.jpg?t=1250044894http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff16/flamarchesina/011-4.jpg?t=1250044894http://www.capa.com.au/pics/kits_holden_ve_v6_int_big.jpghttp://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u63/blackjack82/ebay/alloytec%20insulator/P1010465_SMALL_MACE.jpg

I'm interested

If you want BFYB?

Pacemaker headers, any decent CAI and MACE manifold spacers.

What mufflers are those and do they have a drone ?

Pics are great, but unless we have more info they don't do me much good. Where can I buy these? Who makes them?

Pics are great, but unless we have more info they don't do me much good. Where can I buy these? Who makes them?

this is the web site for the manifold www.performancemanifolds.com.au (http://www.performancemanifolds.com.au)

and as far as the CAI,axel backs & headers you can find it on e-bay you just have to search under G8 or SV6

and the superchrager you can google that...and the spacers you can go here http://www.maceengineering.com.au/_A..._Alloytec_.htm (http://www.maceengineering.com.au/_A..._Alloytec_.htm)

and prices they are all on the web sites

Thanks

Maybe a U.S. dealer would become a reseller?

the exhaust you asked for is developed by opg, an australian company who i believe is very good due to purchasing a superb cold air intake from them which works great. they claim that there axlebacks are drone free for both the v8 and v6, i really want to pick up on a pair of these and see it for myself. they told me that they will try to get a vidoe clip for the v6. you can find there product on ebay under pontiac g8. hope it helps someone

hmm so anyone buy any of these??
im thinkin about the headers..
anyone have the intake manifold?

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff16/flamarchesina/011-4.jpg?t=1250044894

damn i wanna hear this thing!!!
i asked some aussies on ebay au about shipping for the X-Force exhaust and the headers shown above.. lets see wat happens

THe Ghost of Billy Mays! What would be an estimated cost of the parts shown here including shipping? And what would be the estimated cost for labor to install same?

i emailed someone about the headers and they said theyre only work on RHD cars :(

Check if your steering goes near the factory headers...

ya im gonna take it 2moro to my shop and check that **** out!

i dont think it matter, i will check is steering is an issue with the headers but i have heard they are a straight fit to ur v6, any way i remember finding a sight that makes long tube v6 headers i dont know if they are compatible but i will pull it up, later when i find it.

ya find out and let me know.. i was looking at the headers.. it looks pretty symmetrical to me? unless anyone else knows?

hey i found the long tube headers took some time but was able to find them. the only downside on these headers is that they come in 2&1-2 inch so the entire cat back will have to be replaced with after market or custom set up. but on the other hand the good news on this is that they increase low end torque and significantly help reduce drone on some exhaust. heres the sight http://www.dkne.com.au/holden-commodore-alloytec-p-421.html
http://www.dkne.com.au/images/ve%206cyl%20v6.JPG

G8CrEppER went to the web site listed those are for the vz and states 3.8l alloytec. thanks anyway

G8CrEppER went to the web site listed those are for the vz and states 3.8l alloytec. thanks anyway

there is an error in the web site....because if you see the VZ headers they are much more larger...they have the VE listed and right under the VZ and both have different pics of the headers.....you might want to write to them and confirm.

Looks good but I bet the whole change out will be $$$$$$$$$$ costly. But man I would love to do it.

TBH i don't think the steering will get in the way. I'm sure the steering rack is in front of the crossmember, anyone know if the steering column goes near the factory headers?

I did email them a while back and the person who wrote back to me said they were compatible to the v6 ve commodore, the only issue he brought up was that he wasn't sure if they were compatible to left handed driver commodore. I still don't see a clearance issue as both cars are identical, and the steering wheel set up doesn't seem to get in the way of the headers.

Doesn anyone know how much increase in horsepower u'll get with the exhuast

An exhaust shop owner told me on the justcommodores forum that they won't fit on a LHD car. Sorry guys

honestly,
im starting to hate my V6 because of the lack of mods..

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There was one guy that bought them and never put them on. Last I saw he was selling them for $100 to anyone that wanted them.

he squat.. does your onstar still work with the shorty antenna? where did u get it?
and what do manifold spacers do?

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so its just that rubbery brown thing in that pic?

I wonder if it works.

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I recently installed the MACE Insulators and I haven't been able to notice any difference in HP. It did however trigger my check engine light.

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he squat.. does your onstar still work with the shorty antenna? where did u get it?
and what do manifold spacers do?

The shorty only effects FM/AM, I've called onstar a few times since I put it on and the calls were fine. The rest of the antennas are in the base.

If you do a search for shorty antenna on this site you'll find it. I paid 10$ plus a couple $ in shipping.

What code were you throwing? The guys over at the G6 message boards seem to indicate that there may be sealing issues with that will cause lean codes depending on what type and how well you use the silicone sealant. Personally, I plan to use copper based gasket maker (Tube not the spray) if I do decide to get them.

They talk about it here: http://www.g6performance.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=25856&hilit=manifold+insulators&start=60

I have no idea what code it is, I'm going to take it to the dealership as soon as I can get some time out of work. I hope it's just a sealing issue, but with this cars history of unreliability I doubt it. I find it odd that the day I installed them the Onstar and remote start both stopped working. :(

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Also, I noticed while installing the insulators that there was oil dripping from the throttle body and intake manifold. Can anyone tell me what would cause this?

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I think I just have a POS lol. This thing dies all the time, it might be time to give away the exhaust / intake and sell the car.

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I have no idea what code it is, I'm going to take it to the dealership as soon as I can get some time out of work. I hope it's just a sealing issue, but with this cars history of unreliability I doubt it. I find it odd that the day I installed them the Onstar and remote start both stopped working. :(

Sounds like you've either got a lemon of a car or some of your mods weren't installed properly.

I have no idea why the Onstar wouldn't work. But the Remote Start does not work any time you have the check engine light on (which would be the case here since you're throwing a code).

So far the only issues with my car are a loose filler neck and the exhaust gas solenoid needed to be replaced. Both were done under warranty with the dealership giving me a loaner for the day. But I also don't have any mods under my belt.

I hope your car gets better.

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Duffman,
have them check the code. If it is a O2 sensor, check the exhaust. Long story short, after I removed that exhaust and sent it to you, I started getting O2 sensor faults. GM saw the cut up exhaust i put back in and quite working on it till I got the slip joints welded up. Haven't had a code since. The slip joints are the same as you have as Magnaflow cut up my exhaust similar to theirs so they could ship it back.

Car ran fine, just had the O2 codes. May be similar to your problem and with the spacers, it has a more dramatic effect.

Chief, I went and bought a code reader earlier and it said there were no codes for the vehicle. The check engine light also turned off the next time I ran the car. So I really have no idea what triggered it. I guess that's good though, I was expecting a fault code stating complete drive train failure.

I also called about the OnStar and apparently the back-up battery needs to be replaced and is the reason for the connectivity issues.

66cat389, I think you will be satisfied with the spacers. Once I actually got to drive the car a little more I've been able to notice a better pick-up off the line. Not bad at all for a 30 minute install.

Well, I went ahead and pulled the trigger on the spacers. I will let everyone know how it all works out when I get them on.


WHere did u order the spacers from?

What CAI are you guys running on the V6 ?

I have a Roto-Fab CAI. Although I do have the GT intake because they weren't producing one for the V6 when I bought it. But nonetheless it's a quality system! Definitely the way to go if your in the market.

I'm using the Roto-Fab system for the V6 and love it. It definitely puts some pep in the engine and helps with the hesitation.

I have a Roto-Fab CAI. Although I do have the GT intake because they weren't producing one for the V6 when I bought it. But nonetheless it's a quality system! Definitely the way to go if your in the market.
Were there any fitment issues with the GT CAI? I've wondered about this. If it was pretty straight forward it really opens up our options.

-Dennis-

I had to cut the end and buy a reducer at Lowes so it would fit the throttle body. Other than that though everything bolted right in.

I had to cut the end and buy a reducer at Lowes so it would fit the throttle body. Other than that though everything bolted right in.
What is the difference in size between the GT and V6 TB?

Thanks...

-Dennis-

isnt the GTs alot bigger?

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Keep an eye out for the camaros v6 jba headers that will be out ready to be shipped withing the next week, my money is betting on this set to be fully compatible to the v6 g8 model. Does any one KNOW to be exact if they will be a direct fit TO THE G8 V6.

http://xzvhza.blu.livefilestore.com/y1p17uhUEkAccTif_hh_v5XP5nl3QwIicHkh3a9vE8IRHdOImU IxUaEKyHArsKCy2AjRiZreknZOAg4VkuK8HRmtegxQm_lL645/1816S.jpg

I contacted JBA and they said they don't fit. I think it's worth a shot though.

wonder why not though, well we can buy them and if it dont fit just simply return them.

:cursin:Seeing this type of **** piss me off so much....they have so much mods or the camaro witch has the same dam engine as or G8 and still the bastards are pinching pennies for making mods for our G8. I dont agree with this crap i think this is discrimination against our G8 V6.:cursin:

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Yeah, I kind of wonder if they said it wouldn't work because they don't have a V6 G8 to test them on. They may just be assuming they won't.

You are probably right. After Christmas I'm going to order a set and see how they fit. If that doesn't work out I found a shop here that will build a custom pair and we can arrange a group buy.

please do it... how much did u guys pay for the MACE insulators/spacers do you think its worth it?

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:cursin:Seeing this type of **** piss me off so much....they have so much mods or the camaro witch has the same dam engine as or G8 and still the bastards are pinching pennies for making mods for our G8. I dont agree with this crap i think this is discrimination against our G8 V6.:cursin:

Its simple economics. 2 years of G8 production =~40k units of which ~ 13k V6 units. An the car is now dead. Less than 1 year of Camaro production >50k units. MUCH larger potential market in the Camaro.

:cursin:Seeing this type of **** piss me off so much....they have so much mods or the camaro witch has the same dam engine as or G8 and still the bastards are pinching pennies for making mods for our G8. I dont agree with this crap i think this is discrimination against our G8 V6.:cursin:

Raguiar,

You're wrong.

The 2010 Camaro V6 features the next generation 3.6L engine than the G8 has. The 2010 camaro has the "LLT" SIDI Direct Injection 3.6L V6, whereas the 2008/2009 G8 "LY7" V6 has the older design MultiPort Fuel Injected V6.

The new Camaro SIDI V6 makes about 304HP whereas your G8 V6 makes in the mid 200's.

The new SIDI engine also can get up to 28mpg highway, whereas the G8 v6 is a bit lower.

Here's a pic of the new camaro LLT SIDI engine:

http://image.automotive.com/f/tech/11384313+pheader/0902gmhtp_08_z+2010_chevy_camaro_engine_options+ll t_v6_engine_for_camaro_ls_lt_models.jpg

Here's a few articles as well...

http://autospeed.com/cms/A_2264/article.html

http://gmhightechperformance.automotive.com/97968/0902gmhtp-2010-chevy-camaro-engine-options/llt-v6-engine.html



If Pontiac wouldn't have been canned by GM, the plan was to shoehorn the new SIDI 3.6L LLT engine into the 2010 G8 V6 sedan, for an increase in performance. It would have probably been mated to a 6-speed tranny, like the GT models as well, for improved fuel economy too.

That never happened. :(


Two different engines, two different internals.
Two different generations of engines, actually!

Some of the manufacturers that you blame for "discrimination" perhaps cannot justify spending R&D dollars developing performance parts for a 2-year-run engine that already has been suceeded by a more potent powerplant in the SIDI revision of said engine. Sorry! :whine:

Raguiar,

You're wrong.

The 2010 Camaro V6 features the next generation 3.6L engine than the G8 has. The 2010 camaro has the "LLT" SIDI Direct Injection 3.6L V6, whereas the 2008/2009 G8 "LY7" V6 has the older design MultiPort Fuel Injected V6.

The new Camaro SIDI V6 makes about 304HP whereas your G8 V6 makes in the mid 200's.

The new SIDI engine also can get up to 28mpg highway, whereas the G8 v6 is a bit lower.

Here's a pic of the new camaro LLT SIDI engine:

http://image.automotive.com/f/tech/11384313+pheader/0902gmhtp_08_z+2010_chevy_camaro_engine_options+ll t_v6_engine_for_camaro_ls_lt_models.jpg

Here's a few articles as well...

http://autospeed.com/cms/A_2264/article.html

http://gmhightechperformance.automotive.com/97968/0902gmhtp-2010-chevy-camaro-engine-options/llt-v6-engine.html



If Pontiac wouldn't have been canned by GM, the plan was to shoehorn the new SIDI 3.6L LLT engine into the 2010 G8 V6 sedan, for an increase in performance. It would have probably been mated to a 6-speed tranny, like the GT models as well, for improved fuel economy too.

That never happened. :(


Two different engines, two different internals.
Two different generations of engines, actually!

Some of the manufacturers that you blame for "discrimination" perhaps cannot justify spending R&D dollars developing performance parts for a 2-year-run engine that already has been suceeded by a more potent powerplant in the SIDI revision of said engine. Sorry! :whine:

hey your are right 100% that the camaro engine is DI witch produces 309 HP i understand that part....and good job seraching that on google.....but when i refer to the same engine its still a LY7 witch when you take headers, intake , and other bolt on mods they can mfg for both the LY7 G8 and camaro......the camaro has not even been in the dealers for 1 year and they are all ready talking about making a turbo kit for the LY7 camaro.....same engine only difference its the DI......am sorry but you have a GT and you dont have to worry about mods....in the other hand we dont have hardly anything not even a exhaust set up.......so overall i still think that these mfg are just stepping on the LY7 G8 and i dont believe we are going to be seeing new mods because now all the mods are going towards the LY7 camaro. :bs:

hey duffman can you put up a legit video of the magnaflow you have on your car?

hey your are right 100% that the camaro engine is DI witch produces 309 HP i understand that part....and good job seraching that on google.....but when i refer to the same engine its still a LY7 witch when you take headers, intake , and other bolt on mods they can mfg for both the LY7 G8 and camaro......the camaro has not even been in the dealers for 1 year and they are all ready talking about making a turbo kit for the LY7 camaro.....same engine only difference its the DI......am sorry but you have a GT and you dont have to worry about mods....in the other hand we dont have hardly anything not even a exhaust set up.......so overall i still think that these mfg are just stepping on the LY7 G8 and i dont believe we are going to be seeing new mods because now all the mods are going towards the LY7 camaro. :bs:

Raguiar,

Sorry if I offended you. That was not my intent.


And yes, the concept of performance and 'upgradability' is what pushed me towards the GT. I was coming from my last car of a Pontiac Grand Prix GT, which had the NA 3.8L (non-supercharged) V6. It went well, and could get up to speed, but I just wanted more when I bought my G8.

Don't forget, due to Pontiac's limited-to-non-existent advertising budget during almost the whole run of the G8's short 2-year lifespan, not many people knew what the car was about. The Camaro, being the trophy nameplate and trophy car that was to help pull GM out of it's rut has had tons of press and following. Not to mention all the hype about pre-orders. It's outsold Mustang for something like 8+ months in a row, and that's for a first year model car!

In my opinion, the G8 GT has a lot more following, due to the E38 ECM that Holden chose to mate to the L76 6.0L engine. That ECM has been out for a while, and for what it's worth, is somewhat easier to 'reverse engineer' ... there are many "custom tune" shops that can hook up EFI Live or HP Tuners software and tweak almost everything. Add to that, the ~350 dollar SuperChips Cortex tuner that allows the average guy to tune the car to suit their needs (and tune back to stock for dealer visits, just as easily).

The LY7 car has a Bosch Motronic ME9 ECM, and to my knowledge, this has not been 'broken' yet. Even the guys in Austrailia who add turbos or superchargers to the LY7 engine need to install a "piggyback ECM" that takes the Bosch ECM commands and modifies/changes them in real time. It works, but it's very expensive to get one of these piggyback ECM's.

The reason I showed you all the differences between the LY7 and the LLT is because the dynamics of having different technologies in an engine changes everything. What may work for the camaro v6, lets say in headers, may give no benefit to an LY7. Add to that the complication that to take full advantage of any modern ECM controlled car, a tune will give the most 'bang for the buck' ... amplified by headers, CAI's and exhaust mods, the tune is the thing that is holding the LY7 at bay, unfortunately.

The Bosch ECM complicates tuning and/or aftermarket mods. The torque-based strategy of the Bosch ECM measures the position of the intake plenum plate, cam phasing positions and other operational parameters and translates that data into an ideal throttle position and engine output, based on the driver’s positioning of the gas pedal. It can even pull timing if it detects that some engine component (CAI, Exhaust for example) is performing outside of manufacturer specs, hampering performance.

The V6 Camaro has a Bosch ECM as well, which means there is no tune (yet) available for them either. HPTuners is trying very hard to reverse engineer the bootloader (http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24344) for the camaro v6 engine, so they can tweak shiftpoints, low-end torque, and torque management (the three main items that tuners target to improve, as GM from the factory goes conservative with these in general to better appeal to the mass audience drivers) Perhaps once HPTuners figures this out, it can be applied to other cars with a similar ECM, including the CTS 3.6L and hopefully the G8 V6 as well. One can only hope. HP Tuners for example, sees a huge market potential if they figure out how to successfully tune a V6 camaro, as there is a much greater following for the camaro, and thus, more market share and profitibility potential. The G8 simply does not have that (and due to the end of Pontiac, "will not" either)


There ARE headers for the SV6 in austrailia, but the way that GM routed the steering, they don't fit properly on the LHD car.

Point being, a car with a relatively low following and only a 2 year definitive run, with an engine that has already been upgraded to the SIDI design that the camaro has, does not leave a lasting impression in the aftermarket companies who need to spend countless R&D dollars designing aftermarket performance parts. How many product will they need to sell, to offset the R&D investment, and to be profitable in that product market? How many people, out of the overall population of G8 owners bought a V6 with the intent to turn it into the performance equivilant of the V8? It's definately a small minority.

I know there's a following in this thread (and on this board) of diehard V6 owners who want more performance, and I do not mean to offend by stepping in here to post my opinions, however, the aftermarket sees the V6 G8 as a car that people bought for other reasons, whereas there are plenty of aftermarket solutions for the V8 G8, since those cars are chosen more for the performance aspect from day one.

I wish the LY7 had more aftermarket, but as time goes on, the camaro will continue to take the spotlight with it's 28+ MPG highway with 50+ more horsepower than the G8 has. If HPTuners successfully reverse-engineers the Bosch ECM, that paves the way for a similar designed ECM which could raise your horsepower and "butt dyno" feel and performance of your V6 G8's quite a bit (with no other aftermarket bolt on mods!) ----> Add CAI or headers or exhaust to that and you gain even more HP! Without the tune, aftermarket mods don't gain as much benefit.

Being a member of enthusiast websites such as this one means that we ALL are passionate about the automobile that we have. This includes posting to try and help others with their questions, being more passive with the goal to simply learn new things or features about their car, or participate in discussions that sometimes have heated results or difference of opinions.

Let me make this clear: I did NOT come into this V6 thread to try and tell you how much better my L76 V8 is. Notice I haven't said that once. I love my car, however I do respect that ANYONE with a G8, weather it be a V6 or a V8 car, has a great (not to mention unique) car.

I have tried my best to be objective and give the background reasons as to why there is hardly any aftermarket performance options for the LY7 and Bosch ECM. I hope I have accomplished that, even if that means that some people get upset. That was not my intent, my intent was to provide reasons why there's hardly any aftermarket options for the LY7.

--zepcom

raguiarG8v6, as stated before its economics (and the ECM/tuning). If you owned a company and were to sell products, would you rather your audience be 15 thousand or 50 thousand?

your all right :whine:....i guess we will never see any good mods for our G8 V6 like "zepcom" said the camaro is going to continue to take the spot light for the V6 engine...well i hope we at least hopefully get a tune for out LY7 that will be great.......but till then *******VIVA!! G8 V6****** sorry i just had to say that :cry:

Hey guys while visiting an aussie forum (streetcommodores.com.au) for performance & exterior ideas for my G8 V6. They do have a tune for the 3.6 LY7. Some of the aussie guys purchased a powerchip tune. I research their site; powerchipgroup.com and you can chose the G8 V6 option. Gives about 20hp from the tune. The only catch is this tune is expensive; over $1400. Has anyone tried this tune yet?

i dont think no one is going to waste $1,400.00 on a tune..its to much for 20 hp....beside mabe if where patient the tune for the V6 camaro will come out and mabe they will crack the LY7 G8

RauiarG8v6; I agree with you on the powerchip tune is way too expensive. I was under the impression from this forum that there was no tune available for the G8 V6. I know the aussie guys who purchased it are able to add more performance mods. Just wondering if anybody in the U.S. had the balls to cough up the $$ for this tune & what are the real world results. But its way too rich for me!! (-:

Been looking for any mods to increase horse power. Right now i have a roto-fab intake and a custome exhaust set up and within the next week im looking into buying the MACE insulators/spacers. Now that ya'll mention the tune im very interested even tho the price is a bit expensive. Can anyone give me better info on the tune!! My 2 buddies have a 350z and mustang gt so im looking for anything that would help keep up with them...

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Henry23 G8 go to www.powerchipgroup.com for more info on the G8 V6 tune. Just choose the G8 V6 option and choose 93 Octane (only works with this grade gas) & they will email you an data sheet with tons of info. You can also can check out www.streetcommodores.com.au. The australian guys can tell how well it works. Hopefullly the price will drop on this tune, so I can take the plunge. Hell, I might even tried to see if they'll do a group buy & give a good discount on the tune (-:

I really wanna try the exhaust headers,but if they don't fit then what???

I really wanna try the exhaust headers,but if they don't fit then what???

Are you talking about Camaro headers? If they don't fit you can sell them, to a Camaro owner. You won't get all your money back.

i actually might get my custom headers done really soon...
and what do you think about throttle body spacers?

I think...

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Check if your steering goes near the factory headers...

I had my car on the hoist today at work and the factory headers are well above the steering column.The only thing that is close by is the flange which to me doesn't look like an issue.

An exhaust shop owner told me on the justcommodores forum that they won't fit on a LHD car. Sorry guys

I need to know why they won't fit,for me to believe this.

this is the web site for the manifold www.performancemanifolds.com.au (http://www.performancemanifolds.com.au)

and as far as the CAI,axel backs & headers you can find it on e-bay you just have to search under G8 or SV6

and the superchrager you can google that...and the spacers you can go here http://www.maceengineering.com.au/_A..._Alloytec_.htm (http://www.maceengineering.com.au/_A..._Alloytec_.htm)

and prices they are all on the web sites

Can somebody post up the link for these headers.I can't find them on ebay.

Can somebody post up the link for these headers.I can't find them on ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Holden-VE-V6-Commodore-Pacemaker-Headers-Extractors-/190415975495

Thanks.I got a feeling these will fit our cars.I haven't actually heard anybody say yet that they tried these on the G8 and they didn't fit.I'm going to take some pictures of our stock manifold by the steering and show you guys,see what you think.I'll do this next week.If I was rich i would buy them to try.

Correct me if i'm wrong,but it looks like they even have the holes for the O2 sensors as well.I was wondering about this.

What you have to look at is if the headers are an exact copy of each other. (steering column). It seems they are very similar

I'm sure you could get them modded to fit either way.

But i don't know how it costs in US to get headers made up, so i can't comment on if this is a viable option.

If they did fit they would be a direct replacment, i'm sure Holden did not add any extra bungs in the G8. This car is world wide compliant.

theyre alot of ppl in the Middle East seem to be doing their lumina ss's dont forget those are LHD too.. ill talk to some of the guys on here to figure out what theyre doing

theyre alot of ppl in the Middle East seem to be doing their lumina ss's dont forget those are LHD too.. ill talk to some of the guys on here to figure out what theyre doing

You da man! I really don't want to touch the rest of my exhaust untill Headers appear from somewhere.

yeah thats why i dont wanna go with just solo axle backs theres no performance in them