I had mine in the shop today, and they did two "recalls":

Campaign 08090
#08090 Open in VISS
Reprogrammed SDM
V1796 .6HRS

Campaign 08150
#08150 Open in VISS
Reprogram ECM/TCM
V1813 .4 HRS

The first was explained as having to do with the safety chime on the passenger airbag, and the second was stated as a TCM reprogram.

Anyone know anything more about these?

If it was a recall, all G8 owners will get a letter in the mail. Perhaps those are TSB's.

If it was a recall, all G8 owners will get a letter in the mail. Perhaps those are TSB's.

I'm sure it will be obvious, but could you please define "TSBs"?

Thanks!

Technical Service Bulletins

In the past, GM would only do the TSB's if the customer complained about the problem that the TSB addressed and didn't just perform the work because a TSB was issued. Is it still the same?

Can anyone offer any additional information about these (2) TSB's that DCEgghead has mentioned?

I had mine in the shop today, and they did two "recalls":

Campaign 08090
#08090 Open in VISS
Reprogrammed SDM
V1796 .6HRS

Campaign 08150
#08150 Open in VISS
Reprogram ECM/TCM
V1813 .4 HRS

The first was explained as having to do with the safety chime on the passenger airbag, and the second was stated as a TCM reprogram.

Anyone know anything more about these?

So what exactly did these do? Can you notice a difference? They better not touch my car. I need to go in next week for a broken piece on the console, my steering wheel is really loud when turning and a rattle in the speaker area on the passenger side. :censored:

Hmmm, wonder what that TCM TSB does.

So far, I'd have to say by seat of the pants in pure automatic mode that the transmission shifts more like I would think it should. It seems to slow the overall progression through the gears (hold each one a tad longer) and to shift slightly quicker when it does shift. Also, it doesn't seem to be as jerky in normal driving. I also think it may downshift more smoothly when I get on the gas moving down the road. This all could just be wishful thinking though!

If I get different impressions as I drive more, I'll post them. I'll drive it in sport mode on the way home today and see if I notice anything there.

So far, I'd have to say by seat of the pants in pure automatic mode that the transmission shifts more like I would think it should. It seems to slow the overall progression through the gears (hold each one a tad longer) and to shift slightly quicker when it does shift. Also, it doesn't seem to be as jerky in normal driving. I also think it may downshift more smoothly when I get on the gas moving down the road. This all could just be wishful thinking though!

If I get different impressions as I drive more, I'll post them. I'll drive it in sport mode on the way home today and see if I notice anything there.

Thanks for posting this.
Did you report \ complain about driving \ trans. issue(s)??
Please do report on further impressions?
- Ray
Curious...

They are both Service Updates, not recalls. There will be no letters or notifications sent to owners. When a car is in for service, a dealership will check the GMVIS history to see if the procedure needs to be done.

#08150-The procedure will reprogram the Engine Control Module (ECM) and Transmission Control Module (TCM) calibration on certain, about 2,742, 2008 model year Pontiac G8 vehicles, equipped with a 6.0L V8 (RPO L76 – VIN Y) engine and 6L80 (RPO MYC) transmission.

The revised calibrations include OBD system improvements and electronic calibration identification and calibration verification number changes. So it would appear that there may not be any noticeable driveability changes, it could be as simple as helping system diagnostics.

#08090-This service procedure will reprogram the SDM on certain 2008 model year Pontiac G8 vehicles. On some of these vehicles, the passenger safety belt reminder chime and light may activate when the passenger seat is unoccupied and the interior temperature of the vehicle is below 32 F (0 C) or above 104 F (40 C).

The reprogramings should be installed as soon as practical on cars in dealership inventory and any customer car in for any type of service.

Just be very aware that the dealer is probably authorized by GM to perform these tweaks to the TCM and ECM without prior acceptance by the customer, thereby either retrograding any aftermarket non-locked tune or exposing the retune to the keepers of all warranty info.....

Man this sucks. I am waiting to hear back from Kirk at VMS about this. I knew I should have held onto those cables for longer :banghead:

I was supposed to go into the service department on Wednesday of this week but got stuck at jury duty. Now the list for them to fix just keeps getting longer and longer. So far this what they have to do.

Fix the buttons where the windows and locks are. (pushed unlock and the whole piece popped down into the console)

Steering wheel is making a lot of noise when turning.

Rattle that is getting worse in the passenger side near the speakers.

Pop in the right front suspension. Happens when turning only it seems.


Man if I wait much longer I may never see this car again. :(

Wow. Thanks for the heads up DCEgghead. Dodson...keep up posted on your TCM tune/possible de-tune situation. I am sure we ALL want to know the outcome...
And I am sure that Vector will do the right thing...who could have forseen this happening so soon??

Just be very aware that the dealer is probably authorized by GM to perform these tweaks to the TCM and ECM without prior acceptance by the customer, thereby either retrograding any aftermarket non-locked tune or exposing the retune to the keepers of all warranty info.....

The Service Upgrade does authorize dealerships to perform it on owner's cars in for any type of service, but with no powertrain failure, it wouldn't require a deep dive into the programing history or a report to GM.

Man this sucks. I am waiting to hear back from Kirk at VMS about this. I knew I should have held onto those cables for longer :banghead:

I was supposed to go into the service department on Wednesday of this week but got stuck at jury duty. Now the list for them to fix just keeps getting longer and longer. So far this what they have to do.

Fix the buttons where the windows and locks are. (pushed unlock and the whole piece popped down into the console)

Steering wheel is making a lot of noise when turning.

Rattle that is getting worse in the passenger side near the speakers.

Pop in the right front suspension. Happens when turning only it seems.


Man if I wait much longer I may never see this car again. :(
Just think.....I almost bought your car! :p

Rattle that is getting worse in the passenger side near the speakers.

Pop in the right front suspension. Happens when turning only it seems.

:(


I have both of these problems as well.

Just think.....I almost bought your car! :p

Fortunately all of these things are minor inconveniences. We have a family business so it's easy for me to leave work to take care of it. The button thing was really my own fault. LOL I saw it move a little when I hit the button so I did it again harder and it popped. :P The other stuff I wouldn't even bother with, but since it's going in for that might as well have them take a look at the rest of it.

Fortunately all of these things are minor inconveniences. We have a family business so it's easy for me to leave work to take care of it. The button thing was really my own fault. LOL I saw it move a little when I hit the button so I did it again harder and it popped. :P The other stuff I wouldn't even bother with, but since it's going in for that might as well have them take a look at the rest of it.
Yep, none of it sounds too bad. Wonder what's rattling around in the door?

Yep, none of it sounds too bad. Wonder what's rattling around in the door?

Maybe its money?

Man this sucks. I am waiting to hear back from Kirk at VMS about this. I knew I should have held onto those cables for longer :banghead:

I was supposed to go into the service department on Wednesday of this week but got stuck at jury duty. Now the list for them to fix just keeps getting longer and longer. So far this what they have to do.

Fix the buttons where the windows and locks are. (pushed unlock and the whole piece popped down into the console)

Steering wheel is making a lot of noise when turning.

Rattle that is getting worse in the passenger side near the speakers.

Pop in the right front suspension. Happens when turning only it seems.


Man if I wait much longer I may never see this car again. :(

Damn Chris, I hope you get everything worked out with your car. Sorry to hear about all the troubles your having. Guess I've been really lucky with mine. (Knock on wood)

David

Thanks for posting this.
Did you report \ complain about driving \ trans. issue(s)??
Please do report on further impressions?
- Ray
Curious...

No complaint on either issue, but from other comments in this thread it seems they just do it.

BTW, the car was in the shop because the check engine light (emissions evaporative system) was on for the third time. Each time it was around half a tank of gas, and after the first report to OnStar and them telling me to check the gas cap, I KNOW it wasn't a loose gas cap. Turns out there have a been a few reports of similar issues, and that the gas tank is allowing vapors/pressure to escape. Result: I take it back to them when they get a replacement gas tank in.

Still incredibly satisfied with the car overall, though!

We had ours in the shop(Yesterday) for the sun roof deflector was broken and I asked them to do any updates to the ecm/tcm and they said there weren't any for the car. How would one know if they still need to be done or were done? As we had to have the part ordered and the car will go back in two weeks when it comes in.

We had ours in the shop(Yesterday) for the sun roof deflector was broken and I asked them to do any updates to the ecm/tcm and they said there weren't any for the car. How would one know if they still need to be done or were done? As we had to have the part ordered and the car will go back in two weeks when it comes in.

Get the TSB's and print them off and hand them to them. I am sure small dealer could get them for you.

#08150-The procedure will reprogram the Engine Control Module (ECM) and Transmission Control Module (TCM) calibration on certain, about 2,742, 2008 model year Pontiac G8 vehicles, equipped with a 6.0L V8 (RPO L76 – VIN Y) engine and 6L80 (RPO MYC) transmission.

The revised calibrations include OBD system improvements and electronic calibration identification and calibration verification number changes. So it would appear that there may not be any noticeable driveability changes, it could be as simple as helping system diagnostics.

#08090-This service procedure will reprogram the SDM on certain 2008 model year Pontiac G8 vehicles. On some of these vehicles, the passenger safety belt reminder chime and light may activate when the passenger seat is unoccupied and the interior temperature of the vehicle is below 32 F (0 C) or above 104 F (40 C).

Excellent information. Thanks for putting this up. Can you offer any more details, such as pdf copies of the actual TSBs?

I had my G8 in for service today. I had an ABS fault, caused by wheel speed sensor.
My G8 was updated. Everything is good.

Did it help the shifting being slow on manual and in sport mode?

I didn't pay attention to that really, however, under a hard run to 60, when i let off it did shift rather harshly.

FYI: there appears to be a typo in the TSB, there is no new TCM calibration only ECM at this time.

Kirk at VMS,

So... if I take the car in for the updates, do I switch out your ECM for the original or leave the VMS ECM in place? If I do your new flash update for the TCM, will you be able to do these updates when I e-mail you the new info? Don't have any other warranty issues at this time so not really wanting to take it in.

Rob Moser

Rob Moser

I had mine in the shop today, and they did two "recalls":

Campaign 08090
#08090 Open in VISS
Reprogrammed SDM
V1796 .6HRS

Campaign 08150
#08150 Open in VISS
Reprogram ECM/TCM
V1813 .4 HRS

The first was explained as having to do with the safety chime on the passenger airbag, and the second was stated as a TCM reprogram.

Anyone know anything more about these?

Campaigns are not recalls. Instead they are released by the manufacturer to deter POSSIBLE defects that is either a safety issue or would result in a recall.

Both of those were to be done at the dealer before you purchased the vehicle. shame on the dealer for not performing them beforehand.

Just be very aware that the dealer is probably authorized by GM to perform these tweaks to the TCM and ECM without prior acceptance by the customer, thereby either retrograding any aftermarket non-locked tune or exposing the retune to the keepers of all warranty info.....

dealerships are required to do this before they sell the vehicle, if not they MUST perform them the next time the vehicle comes in.

Kirk at VMS,

So... if I take the car in for the updates, do I switch out your ECM for the original or leave the VMS ECM in place? If I do your new flash update for the TCM, will you be able to do these updates when I e-mail you the new info? Don't have any other warranty issues at this time so not really wanting to take it in.

Rob Moser

Rob Moser


Just put your stock ECM back in. The ECM you got from us already has the new (latest) calibration in it. Since there is no new TCM calibration (typo) you dont need to do anything other than swap ECM's.

Also dealers dont know what a locked ECM looks like, it gives them an error during programming. The error could be caused by a myriad of things it doesnt say its locked only that it failed at a certain place in the flash. This has NEVER been an issue with the thousands of these weve done. All the dealer does is simply replace the ECM (which we'll reflash for free of course with the provided paperwork) and sends you on your way :) If you are worried about this you need to jump on the FIRSTG8 deal and just keep a spare ECM.

Vector -

I have your ECM installed! That's why I asked.......Old one is in glove box. I got a call from my FL dealer the day before we left about this. Didn't have time to deal with until I got to IA. Will switch ECM's. No problemo... Will do the flash thing in early June after I get the CAI and Exhaust installed, and these 2 bulletins completed. I'm the guy who told you about our 23.3 mpg on our trip back north with your ECM.

Rob Moser

Campaigns are not recalls. Instead they are released by the manufacturer to deter POSSIBLE defects that is either a safety issue or would result in a recall.

Both of those were to be done at the dealer before you purchased the vehicle. shame on the dealer for not performing them beforehand.

Service Updates (subject of this thread) are not recalls.

Campaign will always be associated with Recall, since they were once recall campaigns. The confussing part is all of the types of Field Actions are listed in the the electronic service information under the heading of Campaigns.

Previous posts indicate a March delivery for the car in question. So the there would have been no way for the dealership to perform both of the Service Updates. 08150 only was issued last week. 08090 was issued in March, so it may have predated delivery or final prep.

Thanks for the post on the recalls before i take delivery I old them about and I heard the finance manager say that "****, that kid knows more about the car then I do!!" Any more recalls let me (us) know!!

I had these service updates performed this morning. I tried to post the actual procedures as pdfs, but the file size restrictions are too small (~40k limit for a 650k file!!). The 08150 DOES include a TCM reflash. I have not noticed any difference in the shifting so far.

Service Updates (subject of this thread) are not recalls.

Campaign will always be associated with Recall, since they were once recall campaigns. The confusing part is all of the types of Field Actions are listed in the the electronic service information under the heading of Campaigns.

Previous posts indicate a March delivery for the car in question. So the there would have been no way for the dealership to perform both of the Service Updates. 08150 only was issued last week. 08090 was issued in March, so it may have predated delivery or final prep.
If these are not recalls then why does it say Recall on the vis and it says recall on the invoice
Recall # 08150 reprogram ECM says Driveability Recall and
Recall # 08090 Seat belt chime reminder says Body Elect Recall
they are not TSBs they are a Campaign Recalls.

If these are not recalls then why does it say Recall on the vis and it says recall on the invoice
Recall # 08150 reprogram ECM says Driveability Recall and
Recall # 08090 Seat belt chime reminder says Body Elect Recall
they are not TSBs they are a Campaign Recalls.


Recalls are the type of things that make the nightly news and newspapers. These are usually major safety issues that need to be addressed. By the time something reaches recall status, there usually have been some major failures along the way. I don't see those as Recall Campaigns but what do I know?


TSB's are not safety concerns and usually fix minor issues that improve vehicle performance. Some service departments are very slow in staying updated on the TSB's and seem reluctant to do them.


At least this is my take on things.

OK, Helicopter pilot here... in our world the "Recall" would be the same thing as an "Airworthiness Directive" and service bulletin is called the same thing... here's the difference.

Airworthiness Directive is mandated (mandatory) by the federal government when a critical safety issue is identified. It MUST be complied with in order to assure no threat to life or property.

Service Bulletins are OPTIONAL items identified by a manufacturer that will affect quality of flight, performance or minor mechanical issues.

SOMETIMES a service bulletin can become an airworthiness directive, SO... what we are seeing on our cars at this time does not jeopardize safety to the point of meriting a "Recall". They are ONLY SB's and optional unless considered dangerous. The dealers consider them routine maintenance and will not call or notify you by mail of those issues. If there was a recall you would know it, they would make sure.

If these are not recalls then why does it say Recall on the vis and it says recall on the invoice
Recall # 08150 reprogram ECM says Driveability Recall and
Recall # 08090 Seat belt chime reminder says Body Elect Recall
they are not TSBs they are a Campaign Recalls.

To answer your questions:

The GM Vehicle Inquiry System (VIS) does not list these as "Recalls".

In the "Required Field Actions" section, they are listed as "Service Updates".

GM only approves the different managment information system vendors. Not how they or the dealership program the information. Or how it will display on a repair order. These are third party companies contracted by each individual dealership. Their choice or wording, is not proof of a recall.


Additional background information:

In the GM Electronic Service Information (eSI), they are listed in the "Service Update" section.

A "Safety Recall", "Noncompliance Recall", or "Emission Recall" would all involve the correction of an issue that was in noncompliance with a safety standard, regulation or governmental emissions requirement. These issues do not.

A "Service Update" is usually implemented to address a non-safety related repair or installation of improved OBD system software. As these issue do.

The three types of "Recalls" would all result in notification being sent to the owner by GM.

A "Service Update" would not trigger any notification to owners from GM.

These issues have not resulted in notification form GM.

A "Recall" would have no expiration date that the repair must be completed by.

Both of these "Service Updates" have expiration dates, either the end of the base warranty period or the end of the emissions programming warrnaty.

A "Recall" would require the dealership to complete the repair on any vehicle in for any type of service.

A "Service Update" would authorize the repair on any vehicle.



..... they are a Campaign Recalls.

No, they are "Service Updates", just as GM has stated.

Thats a long list but still does not answer why it says Recall on my invoice

Thats a long list but still does not answer why it says Recall on my invoice

Because your Tech typed it into the system that way. That's more of a "Doh" on his part than anything. He's probably just like several other people on this board, they call anything that requires the dealer to redo something the car came stock with, a recall. Poor terminology on their part, nothing more.

Thats a long list but still does not answer why it says Recall on my invoice

I covered that in the "to answer your questions" section at the top.


GM only approves the different managment information system vendors. Not how they or the dealership program the information. Or how it will display on a repair order. These are third party companies contracted by each individual dealership. Their choice or wording, is not proof of a recall. Similar but much less of a chance is that the MIS Vendor's system is doing the same thing with the "Service Update Bulletin" numbering (08150 and 08090) which are the same numering used on the three types of "Recall Bulletins".



If not enough of an answer, than I would speculate that the MIS Vendor's system is picking up on the Labor Operation Code, and it's starting alpha letter of "V" and misclassifing the repairs as a recall.