This is in response to that "other" forum pushing the $140 heater hose relocation kits. We're cheapskates over here and we just want to get that hot heater hose up and off of the fuel supply to the right cylinders. It's just a piece of WHITE (to reflect as much heat as possible) plastic fencing material from a large home materials store (your choice) zip-tied to the bottom side of the stock heater hoses. Simple, but effective. Feel the fuel line before and after this mod. Hmmmmm!

It's OK; my first wife called me cheap, too.

http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy294/BigRed585Lbs/100_0014.jpg

can we get another picture? another angle?

Well, thats different.

Anything for the G8 community. Have to be in the morning, cause it's raining like heck right now.

Maybe I ought to market a kit. How about a calibrated isolator and three zip ties for $20, since I seem to be partial to $20 mods? Nah, make 'em yourselves.

I was trying to figure out what the hell those were, at first I was like "tongue depressors?"

why not just go buy radiator hose at autozone and re-route?

But then no one asks questions. What fun is that?

But then no one asks questions. What fun is that?

lol

Besides, it was stuff I had from another project. I need to go through my inventory and come up with some more mods!

i guess it would work to get the hoses off the fuel rails. but the relocation hoses serve the main purpose of cleaning up the engine bay, a nice asthetic touch to make it looks a lot cleaner. i cannot see this as an alternative method to doing that. quite opposite.

Then, please don't do it.

Then, please don't do it.

lol

OK, Shawn, get you an eye-full of this stuff:

http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy294/BigRed585Lbs/100_0043.jpg

http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy294/BigRed585Lbs/100_0042.jpg

http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy294/BigRed585Lbs/100_0040.jpg

http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy294/BigRed585Lbs/100_0039.jpg

Third picture's the mod kit, if anybody wants one. You get to choose white or black zip-ties. Only the best for my Peeps!

Before you go rip a piece of your fence or house off try these methods first-

Ultra Hi-Temp Exhaust Wrap - price varies depending where you buy.

5326

Ultra Hi-Temp Exhaust Wrap is designed for use on headers, turbochargers or turbo downpipes and will withstand 2000°F continuous and 3000°F intermittently. Reduces heat in the engine compartment while maintaining exhaust gas temperature for better scavenging and more horsepower. Features amorphous silica filament yarn which remains flexible and will not harden even at these extreme temperatures for a much longer service life. Requires stainless cable ties or hose clamps for retention.

OR this is what im gonna do ++1

Thermal Heat Sleeving - price varies depending where you buy - Low cost
5327





Thermal heat sleeving is designed to protect fuel lines, A/C lines, oil lines, heater hoses and electrical wiring from exhaust heat. Stable to 500°F. Features non-permeable heavy silicone jacketed fiberglass, highly flexible for tight radius curves and cuts cleanly with scissors. Resists gasoline, engine chemicals, moisture, cuts and abrasions. Completely non-conductive and will not melt, delaminate or become brittle under normal conditions. Halogen and asbestos free. RoHS (Restriction of Hazardous Substances) compliant.

The difference between mine and yours is....I HAD it........ you got to go GET it.

The difference between mine and yours is....I HAD it........ you got to go GET it.

LOL:thumbsup:

I dont mind leaving the house it gives me an excuse to drive my car.

OK, Shawn, get you an eye-full of this stuff:


:thumbsup::bubbrubb:

ME,TOO! That's why I'm offering these kits: get to drive to the P.O.!

Wouldn't you tear up your fence or house for the great folks on this forum? I've seen idiots on that other forum tear up a lot more for a lot less!

Hey! Go look at my trunk mod on the "Appearence" thread! I'm a BAD man!

A little Dremel or Rotozip creativity and a little black Plasticoat paint and you can make it look nice.:wink2:

Could also do this with a couple plastic blocks or a series of loop clamps placed back to back:

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to act as spacers.:)

I'll mod mine tonight with the reflective heat wrap I have and take pics. I used it on my GTOs air intake tube and worked great.

Just remember: white and silver reflect heat; black absorbs it.

LOL- its not a shirt

So I am gonna go paint my engine white. Be right back.

No, just a climatological fact.

brb going to drill holes in my hood

Please give dimensions and pix when you get through.

A piece of fencing zip tied to the Engine! Man this will change the G8 community! Next please work on a fir 2x4 spoiler! After than can you work on a carboard wide body kit??

Sorry but I agree, there are alot better options out there to be used a heat isolated. You can get a tempature blanket similar to the plug wire covers if you look around through Summit and then just wrap the coolant lines in that instead of using fencing material.

Here you go
Heat shielding from Home depot held on with heat shielding tape. Worked great on the air intake verified with HPtuners
http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo306/Derek98z/DSC01674.jpg

DIY mods are competing for space under my hood. This fence mod will not fit with my DIY valve cover mods. I need a thinner, more heat resistant material. Perhaps fiberglass blanket...

BTW. my mod, the derek98z mod, is available for $150 each. Just pm me LOL

just zip-tie the hoses to the ABS lines...
thanks rich :)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2439/3928196052_32d1a2eb65.jpg

This thread is awesome. I love this forum...

Jdeserio has the BEST solution! That's the one I'm changing to!

A lot of you missed the point altogether. The main purpose of this thread was to show you can find solutions to problems with THINGS YOU HAVE ON HAND. Use your brain. We need more creativity, instead of, "Where can I buy that, and who can I get to put it on for me?"

Anybody else steppin' up with a cheap-*ss mod?

just zip-tie the hoses to the ABS lines...
thanks rich :)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2439/3928196052_32d1a2eb65.jpg

I'm all about cheap/free mods, but they have to be aesthetically pleasing for me.

This looks like you trapped a black snake under there, lol :)

i just deleted the hoses all together and capped the ends. the only bad side i see to this is how much my engine overheats, other then that its excellent.

ill be offering the caps and the hoseclamps to hold them on for 129.99, cheaper then the other kits and ill throw in a set of fuzzy dice for your rearview mirror.

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/19353/937202-facepalm_implied_super.jpg



I liked your rear handle mod but please leave the fencing in the yard where it belongs and not zip tie it under the hood of your $30,000+ car.

Go back and read post #34. Read it a couple of times if you need to. It was a JOKE!!!!! Don't you remember the $30 calibrated washers that were even put on ebuy? Lighten up.

And I didn't pay +30k for mine. That starvin' salesman was trying to make a food payment for his family.

I'm all about cheap/free mods, but they have to be aesthetically pleasing for me.

This looks like you trapped a black snake under there, lol :)

It really doesnt look that bad in person...really lol.
it definitely help reduce temp around the hood..
i think its better than the stock way..why would you put hose directly on the engine..and the fence idea may trap too much heat in the hose IMO..:)

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/19353/937202-facepalm_implied_super.jpg



I liked your rear handle mod but please leave the fencing in the yard where it belongs and not zip tie it under the hood of your $30,000+ car.

someone missed the joke :)

This is in response to that "other" forum pushing the $140 heater hose relocation kits. We're cheapskates over here and we just want to get that hot heater hose up and off of the fuel supply to the right cylinders. It's just a piece of WHITE (to reflect as much heat as possible) plastic fencing material from a large home materials store (your choice) zip-tied to the bottom side of the stock heater hoses. Simple, but effective. Feel the fuel line before and after this mod. Hmmmmm!

It's OK; my first wife called me cheap, too.

http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy294/BigRed585Lbs/100_0014.jpg

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll51/rez0nance/ForumPics/2629t6q.gif

^^lol

just zip-tie the hoses to the ABS lines...
thanks rich :)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2439/3928196052_32d1a2eb65.jpg


If your looking for a free mod this will cut it! BUT the kit you can buy is much cleaner looking. To all their own but Im will to pay a little money for a nice clean PROVEN kit.

I looked at zip tying my hoses back like that. Are there any implications to attaching hot hoses to brake lines?

i actually just zip tied mine to the side of the motor. NOw its off te fuel lines and looks a lot better

Maybe someone could go down to the parts store and find some L-shaped heater hoses from another auto that would fit the G8 and give whomever would choose to go that route the part numbers for those hoses. Still way under $140, I'll bet. Then we could shut this thread down. How about it?

Maybe someone could go down to the parts store and find some L-shaped heater hoses from another auto that would fit the G8 and give whomever would choose to go that route the part numbers for those hoses. Still way under $140, I'll bet. Then we could shut this thread down. How about it?


Or we can spend a wopping 140 bucks on a good product so we dont have to getto rig our 30K dollar cars ;)

I dad always said if your not going to do it right dont do it at all...

Maybe bone-stock is best after all. Leave 'em like God made 'em. If it's from the factory, it must be right.

Don't do it.

Maybe bone-stock is best after all. Leave 'em like God made 'em. If it's from the factory, it must be right.

Don't do it.

Hehe I'm with you. You can argue until you're blue in the face. I'm sure the team of Engineers that designed this setup must have known that this would heat the fuel rail. It obviusly didn't concern them.

Or we can spend a wopping 140 bucks on a good product so we dont have to getto rig our 30K dollar cars ;)

I dad always said if your not going to do it right dont do it at all...

Kind of an oxymoron. You talk like $30k is Ferrari type money but $140 is chump change.

My thought is unless you are popping your hood for car shows, then who gives a F how you make it work. What not try to save some money unless you are some kind of a big baller :bunny:
And if you are that concerned with appearance, shouldn't you have the engine cover on anyway?

Tell you what, I've got a bridge in NYC to sell you

Kind of an oxymoron. You talk like $30k is Ferrari type money but $140 is chump change.

My thought is unless you are popping your hood for car shows, then who gives a F how you make it work. What not try to save some money unless you are some kind of a big baller :bunny:
And if you are that concerned with appearance, shouldn't you have the engine cover on anyway?

Tell you what, I've got a bridge in NYC to sell you


This coming from a guy that say "my car is my hobby" when is the last time a REAL model maker said "Im to cheap to buy paint so im going to use a permant marker" or a REAL golfer said I dont need T's I can use a piece of PVC pipe and a zip tie (not sure how that would work but you get the point)

And yes $140 is chump change... and 30K, well its not ferrari money but it not like your driving a 3K dollar civic.

This coming from a guy that say "my car is my hobby" when is the last time a REAL model maker said "Im to cheap to buy paint so im going to use a permant marker" or a REAL golfer said I dont need T's I can use a piece of PVC pipe and a zip tie (not sure how that would work but you get the point)

And yes $140 is chump change... and 30K, well its not ferrari money but it not like your driving a 3K dollar civic.

I didn't say my car was my hobby. Not sure where you got that.
Anyone can spend money on their car to make it better. Especially you since you are a big boy with big money apparently. So don't get all ***** hurt that other people don't want to spend what they consider wasted money on their "$30k car"
So tell me batman, do you have your engine cover on right now?

r33pwrd, you seem self conscious about your $140 radiator hoses.

I didn't say my car was my hobby. Not sure where you got that.
Anyone can spend money on their car to make it better. Especially you since you are a big boy with big money apparently. So don't get all ***** hurt that other people don't want to spend what they consider wasted money on their "$30k car"
So tell me batman, do you have your engine cover on right now?


no engine cover on mine....

I guess you said "others would tell you my car is my hobby"

http://www.g8board.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23325

r33pwrd, you seem self conscious about your $140 radiator hoses.


nope just amazed that people are soooo cheap when it comes to their car.

or they just aren't ignorant? let me ask you something mr. big shot. are your kooks coated or uncoated? if they arent coated why would you cheap out on your car? why get kooks and not slp?

sounds like that xpipe was fabbed? why not get a premade assembly? why cheap out on your car? why not do a whole catback?

****in tool.

or they just aren't ignorant? let me ask you something mr. big shot. are your kooks coated or uncoated? if they arent coated why would you cheap out on your car? why get kooks and not slp?

sounds like that xpipe was fabbed? why not get a premade assembly? why cheap out on your car? why not do a whole catback?

****in tool.

Coated... nope I live in Seattle and there is no salt on the roads so no reason to coat the Stainless steel :)

Fabbed? You need to do some research on Kooks :)

FYI my Kooks where more $$ than the SLP... and the SLP dont come with a mid pipe like the Kooks... :)

Its not about being a "big Shot" it about being a cheap ass.... :)

a piece of fencing zip tied to the engine! Man this will change the g8 community! Next please work on a fir 2x4 spoiler! After than can you work on a carboard wide body kit??

rofl!

Maybe someone could go down to the parts store and find some L-shaped heater hoses from another auto that would fit the G8 and give whomever would choose to go that route the part numbers for those hoses. Still way under $140, I'll bet. Then we could shut this thread down. How about it?

We're waiting...

:)

no engine cover on mine....

I guess you said "others would tell you my car is my hobby"

http://www.g8board.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23325

thanks for clarifying the fact that I didn't say my car is my hobby. I said people would say "cars" as in the fact I work on them

Guess we can just call it a day in this thread because in your eyes if you don't buy (or waste) money on what YOU consider top of the line, then we are just idiots. I once was told a hot rodder is someone that works on their car to make it faster. I'm betting you pay to make yours....

or they just aren't ignorant? let me ask you something mr. big shot. are your kooks coated or uncoated? if they arent coated why would you cheap out on your car? why get kooks and not slp?

sounds like that xpipe was fabbed? why not get a premade assembly? why cheap out on your car? why not do a whole catback?

****in tool.

Wow! what an A-hole. Talk about off topic... and nonsensical.

brb going to drill holes in my hood

Then you can route the heater hoses outside the car! That's brilliant! The heat isn't just away from the fuel rails, it's entirely outside the engine compartment!

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t161/silveradoscott/G8%20GT/CIMG6402.jpg
I have the re-route hoses, but this was quicker & will do 'till I get around to swappin' 'em.


JAM

Alright, I'll be honest and say I have not seen what the $140 hose mod even looks like but I guarantee I will not spend $140 to do it.
Just going down to my garage I found some racing hoses I used back on my race car. I guarantee this would work and have no idea why somebody wouldn't just do it. It does not have to be blue, it can be black. Also, you don't need a hose with a bend in it considering the factory hose does not have a bend in it off of the water pump. The bend is higher just to send it over the fuel line
http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo306/Derek98z/DSC01676.jpg
http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo306/Derek98z/DSC01677.jpg

I do not get what this protects. The last I looked the engine does get hot when you drive it and the fence will got hot as well. It will most likely defeat the reason for do this in the first place.

was told a hot rodder is someone that works on their car to make it faster. I'm betting you pay to make yours....


well I did pay for the tint to be done.... ow and the tune. Other than that I have done my own headers (plus 4 others) but im a cheater and used a lift.... I also installed my vararam myself :)

Dont take it personal that I like nice stuff and im willing to pay for it.

http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo306/Derek98z/DSC01676.jpg
http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo306/Derek98z/DSC01677.jpg


not bad but can you explain to me why the stock hoses are still there?

I only laid it down to see if and how it would fit. I doubt I will ever do the swap. Im saying it looks like it could be easy.
But you are correct, if you don't mind paying to have the work done, nothing wrong in doing so. I never hazed a customer for paying me to work on their car.

I plan on visiting an auto parts store to see if a cheaper option is available. I'll pass along anything I happen to find.

well I did pay for the tint to be done.... ow and the tune. Other than that I have done my own headers (plus 4 others) but im a cheater and used a lift.... I also installed my vararam myself :)

Dont take it personal that I like nice stuff and im willing to pay for it.

Still waiting for an answer mr big shot

Still waiting for an answer mr big shot

Hey asshat, check out post 57.

I think that attitudes have twisted what the OP was trying to do. This is one way to keep heat off of the fuel rail and the intake. A noble effort. There may be other ways, but this is a new option. If we all wanted the same **** on our cars, this would be a small forum, indeed. And for others looking for alternatives to the heater hose mod, check out the hose sizes...good luck. And still waiting for someone to post up a successful alternative.

ATTENTION EVERYBODY!!!!!!

Right now, go back and read Post #38.

The Lowe's Isolator Mod was and still is a JOKE. Laugh at it and lighten up. I just wanted to stir up your thinking.

Thanks,
The Cheap-*ss Modder

The hoses have different ID measurements at their respective ends, so not sure that blue hose solution is viable. I did not choose the $140 option, got the Gates hoses delivered for $29, but they do need minor length trimming:

RockAuto Order Confirmation
Order #:

Friday, July 03, 2009 04:30 PM

Ship To: Bill To: JAM

Part Number Part Type Price EA Core EA Quantity Total
0 No Vehicle Specified
GATES 18078 Heater Hose $ 13.08 $ 0.00 1 $ 13.08
GATES 18077 Heater Hose $ 9.89 $ 0.00 1 $ 9.89
Shipping Ground (FedEx or UPS) $ 6.70
Order Total $ 29.67

JAM

Jam, let us know how it ends up.

The deal with the blue hose is you can use two different size pieces if needed and get a slip adapter for the two hoses with two different sized ends.
All my arguement is and has been is that I guarantee with a little thought, you can mod this yourself for well under half of $140.

Many have already done this with the Gates hoses. I got the info here IIRC. I think that if you search you'll see that the Gates hoses are an inexpensive yet perfect solution for re-routing the hoses from the top of the fuel rail to the side of the engine.

JAM

Still waiting for an answer mr big shot


OK little shot... glad to see im not the only blind one around here :slap:

I really dont get it though?? How does spending $140 make me a "big shot" ??

There is always alternatives to everything. If I wanted to spend the time looking around for the proper hose I could... I could even use my Brass manderls and bend the hose. the fact is my time is worth a lot more to me than $140, call me a "big shot" for that if you like but I have better things to do :)

JAM, U D MAN!!!

Now everybody can shut up and start ordering.

Thanks.

Great joke.

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm227/srg963/Thread%20Pictures/hahaha.jpg

OK little shot... glad to see im not the only blind one around here :slap:

I really dont get it though?? How does spending $140 make me a "big shot" ??

There is always alternatives to everything. If I wanted to spend the time looking around for the proper hose I could... I could even use my Brass manderls and bend the hose. the fact is my time is worth a lot more to me than $140, call me a "big shot" for that if you like but I have better things to do :)

cute way of twisting how you took the original posts here seriously and called people cheap, inderectly or not. you can take your "time" and shove it up your ass.

http://img.alibaba.com/photo/50281545/Maxi_pad_Ultra_Dry_Sanitary_Napkin.jpgI was thinking of wrapping all the engine components in this.... do you think it would help with engine bay heat?

cute way of twisting how you took the original posts here seriously and called people cheap, inderectly or not. you can take your "time" and shove it up your ass.


Another internet tough guy :)

http://img.alibaba.com/photo/50281545/Maxi_pad_Ultra_Dry_Sanitary_Napkin.jpgI was thinking of wrapping all the engine components in this.... do you think it would help with engine bay heat?


did you get it from Waltah? Actually he is to cheap for that he would use some rolled up TP or something!

did you get it from Waltah? Actually he is to cheap for that he would use some rolled up TP or something!

I actually lol'd. Touché good sir.

Hey, Bryan! I thought if they had to use one of them, they were in "heat"!!!!!!!
We're trying to cool this sucker down!
You messin' with something that will blister paint!

The hoses have different ID measurements at their respective ends, so not sure that blue hose solution is viable. I did not choose the $140 option, got the Gates hoses delivered for $29, but they do need minor length trimming:

RockAuto Order Confirmation
Order #:

Friday, July 03, 2009 04:30 PM

Ship To: Bill To: JAM

Part Number Part Type Price EA Core EA Quantity Total
0 No Vehicle Specified
GATES 18078 Heater Hose $ 13.08 $ 0.00 1 $ 13.08
GATES 18077 Heater Hose $ 9.89 $ 0.00 1 $ 9.89
Shipping Ground (FedEx or UPS) $ 6.70
Order Total $ 29.67

JAM


;) See spending $140 is a waste of money when the exact same thing can be had for under $30.00 delivered.

;) See spending $140 is a waste of money when the exact same thing can be had for under $30.00 delivered.


If you can make it a clean as this..... (pictures barrowed from another member that cant be named :) )

If you can make it a clean as this..... (pictures barrowed from another member that cant be named :) )

No reason why it wouldn't turn out just like that.

No reason why it wouldn't turn out just like that.

Then you will have spent more for the billet separators and heat shield.

;)

did you get it from Waltah? Actually he is to cheap for that he would use some rolled up TP or something!

haha, the thing that surprises me is that you actually payed attention to him after a few of his posts :drink:

nothing wrong with low cost diy mods like this imo

nothing wrong with low cost diy mods like this imo


Nothing wrong with DIY mods as long as they are not ghetto.

;) See spending $140 is a waste of money when the exact same thing can be had for under $30.00 delivered.

Not exactly the same. They get a heat wrap since they are closer to the manifold and rings to ensure it stays on. It's not just two off the shelf hoses you'd get. There's some work and material put into them, FWIW.

Man I was laughing my ass off reading this thread. You all had me fkg cracking up!
But back on the subject. I stopped by NAPA and they have heater hoses there that can be cut to length for roughly 15-20 bucks. I had explained to the parts rep behind the counter and he knew exactly what i was talking about. So just give all of you some insight to where to find the hose fairly cheap. Seemed NAPA had them.

Rats! We just lost our NAPA store. Got plenty of bling/airfreshner/chromechainlicenseplateframe merchants, though. Guess I'll keep looking for stuff at Lowe's.

HEY BRYAN!!!!! Another thing about your idea not being so good is that it tends to make the engine compartment smell like old tuna tacos.



Help me,Rhonda. Help,help me, Rhonda.

HEY BRYAN!!!!! Another thing about your idea not being so good is that it tends to make the engine compartment smell like old tuna tacos.



Help me,Rhonda. Help,help me, Rhonda.

:err::gr_jest::cartman:

How big is that fuel rail? As far as hardware-store mods go, I would think you could put some of the slip-on foam hot-water pipe insulation on both _rails_ and protect both of them from more than the heater hose.(?)

Might look better than that cheap-*ss fence cra* that other dude was using. I'll give it a try.

Then you will have spent more for the billet separators and heat shield.

;)


If you know where to get parts and how to make them yourself then not really. If I ever feel like doing this it wont cost me NEARLY that much and I dare say it'll look at least as good if not better.

Not exactly the same. They get a heat wrap since they are closer to the manifold and rings to ensure it stays on. It's not just two off the shelf hoses you'd get. There's some work and material put into them, FWIW.


Still easy to do and won't cost nearly as much. Not sure why this is turning into a debate, if you can do it yourself for less then half the cost of that kit then whats with the hate? Now if some of you can't make, don't have the time to make, or the know how and have to buy that kit there's nothing wrong with that either.

There's more then 1 way to skin a cat ya know. ;)

I am a DIY guy. And when this is done to my car, I'll likely put something together myself. I was merely pointing out to the guys saying "why buy these for $140 when I could buy them for $29.95 (or whatever)" that there is labor and additional material involved. What that labor is worth to you, is for you to decide.

*shrug* Its a labor of love for me, my hobby if you will, so for me that cost doesn't figure in. ;)

Idea development costs often exceed the apparent value of the "Cheap-*ss" mod. The good thing about them is that you can throw them in the dumpster if they don't work out, instead of having to liquidate on Ebuy or the "For Sale" thread.

Hey! Look at what this guy did. Engine cover even fits back on top :)
http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm227/srg963/Heat%20Block/P9280193.jpg
http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm227/srg963/Heat%20Block/P9280194.jpg
http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm227/srg963/Heat%20Block/P9280195.jpg
http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm227/srg963/Heat%20Block/P9280196.jpg

Wrap the entire up/rad hose.

I remembered to take some temps today. After a cold start and 5-10 minute city drive, then sitting for about 3 minutes, I saw temps between 95 and 125 F between both rails. The average rail surface temp difference was about 8-10 deg. I saw a difference of 20 deg between the rail surface that the hoses were touching, and the same place on the opposite side. The closest temps I saw were 5 degrees apart, on an area farthest from the hoses on the hose side/same place other side.

These were all rail surface temps taken with the temp probe on my Craftsman multi-meter.

That's enough proof for ME that a Cheap-*ss piece of fencing is definitely worth preventing 20 degrees of heat getting to my Shell gasoline. Begone, heat! Y'all do what you want.

you guys are all poopie heads.

And you may leave. Thanks.

Looks good! Though, if I might add.... the wrap you added on the upper rad hose, be sure that it's not too tight. Unless you wrapped it when it was at operating temp... just my 2 cents.

Hey! Look at what this guy did. Engine cover even fits back on top :)
http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm227/srg963/Heat%20Block/P9280193.jpg
http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm227/srg963/Heat%20Block/P9280194.jpg
http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm227/srg963/Heat%20Block/P9280195.jpg
http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm227/srg963/Heat%20Block/P9280196.jpg

Looks good! Though, if I might add.... the wrap you added on the upper rad hose, be sure that it's not too tight. Unless you wrapped it when it was at operating temp... just my 2 cents.

Yes, I left it a little loose for expansion. That's another reason why I didn't wrap the entire hose ;)

Where'd you get it? Is it cheap?

I like it.

Looks like "header wrap". You can get it at Jegs or Summit, possibly your local auto store/speed shop.

I'm all about cheap/free mods, but they have to be aesthetically pleasing for me.

This looks like you trapped a black snake under there, lol :)


If you just cut about 4" off the rear section of the hose where the angle is you can then just run it straight back. I will take some pictures of mine its along the same line of what you did.

If you just cut about 4" off the rear section of the hose where the angle is you can then just run it straight back. I will take some pictures of mine its along the same line of what you did.

:cartman::popcorn2::zzz: ROFL

http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy294/BigRed585Lbs/100_0043.jpg



Looks like a long maxi-pad stuck in there. LOL! Just kidding. Whatever works for less is cool with me!

Just another "Cheap-*ss Mod". It's a piece of left-over plastic fencing from a project I did, held on with two zip-ties. Free AND effective (20 degree drop in temp on that fuel rail).

Where'd you get it? Is it cheap?


I like it.

I missed your question, sorry bout that.
$25 through ebaY, here's what I got http://motors.shop.ebay.com/__?_from=R40&_trksid=m39&_nkw=Header+Wrap+Black-Fiberglass+50Ft

Wear gloves when applying!

I dont think a wrap is the answers... IMO a wrap only delays the heat soak. Think about it, take a can of something and another identical can wrap one (with whatever) and not the other, put them in the oven in 5 minutes yes the wrapped one will be cooler but after X amount of time it will be the same temp. I think the key here is to get the heat source (coolant pipes) AWAY from the motor not insulate them. Just my 2 cents.

Little tough moving radiator hoses.

High tech mod: I put a piece of radar foam I had left over from my mil days between the MAF and radiator hose. Top that, techies!

I think, in this case, it's more about thermal transfer rate through the materials. I'll start with an example.

There is a block of wood, and a block of silver. Both at 75 deg. Grab each one with different hands. The aluminum feels much cooler because it will transfer thermal energy at a much higher rate. Now, put an ice cube on top of each one, and keep a firm grip around each block. The ice cube on top of the silver will melt faster because thermal energy will transfer into the cooler item much quicker. Now take an infinitely long icicle and run one along the top of each block. The wood block will result in much less water on your hand, and your hand will stay much warmer.

I've just described basic insulation. R-value of insulation is the relationship between time and heat flow.

Now, in the case of these hoses, we've got the hot hand (hoses), the block of wood or silver (fuel rail or intake depending on which you want to talk about), and the icicle (fuel or air). Any particular mass unit of air/fuel will stay cooler as it passes through the intake/rail the more you can insulate the hoses. Air is an excellent insulator, so getting the hoses off the intake/fuel rail is the best solution, but an insulating wrap will help as well.

Now, if getting the hoses away would make a drastic difference, they wouldn't be there in the first place. But the 20 degree fuel rail temps I took were enough to convince me that it certainly wouldn't hurt to do something. I got new hoses today.

Wik, you didn't get the $140 set, did ya? We need to see some pix.

No... well yes, but I got them "pre-owned" at a significant discount. They aren't on yet.

What did the other guy go to? $30 Gates hoses? Stockers, with "Cheap-*ss" plastic fencing? Just wondering.

Something that would fit with his Holden coil covers, IIRC. Might be stock hoses.

Now after we all had a lesson/reminder in heat transfer, how about explaining what’s the point of cooling down the fuel?

The fuel combustion happens with fuel vapor, the hotter the temperature of the fuel, the better it evaporates and the better combustion it has = better performance and fuel economy.


I understand cooling down the air reduces volume so you can get more air in so it applies to the air and not the fuel.

What am I missing?

(by the way, the heat transfer is one of the reason I will never use metal intake for the car)

Is it possible that we are thinking about this wrong? Is it there to heat up the coolant to make the heater work quicker in the morning???

You can cram in more fuel to take the place of air which will produce more power when it goes "boom".
The plastic thingie was mostly for effect, jabbing the hornet's nest, getting a reaction. But I do like the neater look of the moved hoses.

Warmer fuel vaporizes better... yes.
Warmer fuel will make the mixture a tiny bit closer to predetonation... yes.

Where that balance is, I don't have a clue. But if both fuel rails are the same temp, it should have more consistant combustion across both banks, correct?

Could this all make no difference by any measurable means... yes.

Show me the fuel vaporizes better enough to make an effect, enough to outweigh inconsistant temps (someone would have to so the effect of that too), and I'll put them back to where they were, but I'll lengthen one so it sits on the driver side rail too.

Do Prii (plural for Prius?) or other hybrids have fuel warmers? If they do, it would be good evidence that warmer fuel has a positive effect.

Engine compartment's gonna end up looking like one of those "Cheap-*ss" chinese die-cast cars we all take apart and try to make right.

I would like to thank ALL who took the time to participate in this thread. I had fun, and I hope you did, too. A lot of good ideas out there. Thanks, again!!!!!

Looking at this SSV engine bay, the brake booster might be the reason why the hoses are routed the way they are.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k37/Deano_22/EXCESSV/IMG_2164.jpg

Looking at this SSV engine bay, the brake booster might be the reason why the hoses are routed the way they are.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k37/Deano_22/EXCESSV/IMG_2164.jpg


good find...!