so i got a V6 G8 and was wondering why everyone else who got a V6 got it instead of the V8?

i got mine for 2 reasons, cause my dad wasnt happy that i was getting the V8. he kept emaling me artices about how V8s are going away in a few years and the gas prices.. and also i found out that my insurance was $258 for the V6 a month. the V8 was alot more...(im only 21.)

Insurance is definitely a biggie for somebody <25, but the fuel mileage is virtually the same between the V8 and V6 cars.

I don't like how rough the V6 engine sounds. Why is it quiet in the CTS? What is different?

Geeze, my insurance is *much* less than yours, and I have a '74 Corvette on top of my coming GT G8.
Only reason I'd consider a V6 would be if a V8 wasn't available, personally.

Edit: I'm 22 by the way.

Um, I checked. V6 and V8 had the same rates. Maybe your father is lying to you. :)

anyone under 25 years gets charged more for a v8,
if you are over 25 same rate for a v8 v6
(now this is allstate in florida)

^the quotes were the same for me: im in FL and 24, with 4 speeding tickets... i pay $900 a year for two cars, and its not minimum coverage... but this is USAA...

^the quotes were the same for me: im in FL and 24, with 4 speeding tickets... i pay $900 a year for two cars, and its not minimum coverage... but this is USAA...

You POS......

I hate NJ.... I pay 1800 alone for my TBSS. And I'm older than you w/ a cleaner record!!!!

people like me, lol...

I'm 18 with a clean record and have a G8 GT and pay 1400 a year for insurance. I don't know how that happened but I'm sure the insurance company will soon realize im 18 lol

Mine is a company vehicle so I pay zero in fuel, zero in insurance oh and zero for the car... :judge: So I got the V8...:driving:


:)

I also get the choice to buy it after the lease is up...:)

With my bikes and insurance the age is 26 for a reduction in cost.

You POS......

I hate NJ.... I pay 1800 alone for my TBSS. And I'm older than you w/ a cleaner record!!!!


NJ is the worst state. I am 23, no tickets, no accidents, and I paid $90 a month to drive a dodge neon. i am still on my parents insurance. I got quoted $130 for the G8 GT, but still have not gotten a final number. What a bunch of bull ****. My friend in N.Carolina pays $45 a month for his car insuracnce and he has 2 tickets and 3 accidents. Stupid ass people in NJ dont know how to drive for **** and everyone is in a rush. Please, if you live in the south, come to NJ and hop on the parkway for a little while. If you do the speed limit be prepared to get flipped off, honked at, have someone ride your bumper, or just force you off the road. NJ drivers are the worst in the country which is why we got some of the highest insurance. I drove in Florida once and I felt like everyone was going in reverse cause everyone takes there time. NJ, go fast or die.

You can tell I hate this state lol

I drove in Florida once and I felt like everyone was going in reverse cause everyone takes there time. NJ, go fast or die.

FL is the collection of all the country's worst drivers, lol... i hate driving here too man...

FL is the collection of all the country's worst drivers, lol... i hate driving here too man...

You do know the majority of them are from Jersey.

^the quotes were the same for me: im in FL and 24, with 4 speeding tickets... i pay $900 a year for two cars, and its not minimum coverage... but this is USAA...

USAA was trying to quote me $1208 per year for the GT with my two speeding tickets. I went to another company, and got quoted $653 per year with the same exact coverage. They asked me why I was cancelling my insurance, and I let them know that I was quoted half of what they wanted at another company.

My limits are 100/300, 100, 100/300, and $500 deds.

I let USAA take a look at my coverage and premiums. Hopefully they can come back to me in 6months to a year and offer me a competitive quote. Still keeping my renters insurance with them though.

After 9 years with USAA, I just couldn't justify paying that much from them anymore.

Florida definately has the worst drivers in the united states, have u ever been down south like miami? or Hiahleah or little cuba i mean shiitttt its soo bad...

u guys r lucky!
Im payin 2400$ a year for my 06 grand prix, so im expectin if i get a G8, around 2800!
Im almost 21

258/month for a v6 G8?? wow...when i was 21, had a 99 cobra (in 2001), full coverage was 140 or so a month...

i just can't see getting a v6 instead og the gt due to if you're already paying that much for a car what is is $2K?

I have a 1974 Corvette with full coverage on it up to $15000, $500 ded.
I have my G8 GT on it with, obviously full coverage.
I'm sitting pretty at $160/month.
Allstate, south central PA. 22 years old, clean record.

In the motor city with a GT(even though I am using a Lansing address) I am paying 145/month for full coverage with State Farm and I just got a ticket a couple months ago and I'm 22. So 258 is a lot maybe you shop around.

Florida definately has the worst drivers in the united states, have u ever been down south like miami? or Hiahleah or little cuba i mean shiitttt its soo bad...

LMAO @ Little Cuba. "Town and Country" in Tampa is Hiahleah Jr.

They aren't that bad down in S FL... But I grew up down there so I'm probably one of them. ;)

You also have to understand that in florida, 3 years ago after hurricanes wreaked havoc, insurance skyrocketed!

Florida definately has the worst drivers in the united states, have u ever been down south like miami? or Hiahleah or little cuba i mean shiitttt its soo bad...
Have you never driven in Boston?!?

Y'all haven't seen bad drivers until you've driven in San Antonio when it rains. It's as if they've never seen water before... Not to mention an estimated 40% of the drivers in San Antonio are unlicensed and uninsured. Due to that we have some of the highest average insurance rates in the country.

However, through USAA I have 2 cars on full coverage and pay $114 a month. 25 and married, no (at fault) accidents and one speeding ticket still on my record. :)

u guys r lucky!
Im payin 2400$ a year for my 06 grand prix, so im expectin if i get a G8, around 2800!
Im almost 21

Holy Cow! MY CTS and my wife's minivan together are $1,400 total. When I switched the CTS to a G8, it was only $16 extra.

And I live in New Jersey!

Wow is this thread off topic!

Wow is this thread off topic!

yeah really...

To the OP's original questions -- None....

The V-8 is a great value in comparison, but when I looked at the future of gas prices the V-8’s future looked bleak for an every day vehicle.

I also like the rim style on the V-6 better, the real world difference in mileage over the V-8 is worth while, my son has the GT and yes, we compare; that aside the insurance is also easier on the old pocketbook. It all adds up over the long term, and that’s how I usually judge all my purchases and investments, over the long term.

This vehicle has all the power, speed, performance and quality that I need, but had I been looking for a collectible it would have been a different story.

Well that’s my story anyway and I’m sticking to it! LOL!

Regards,

ECRyder

Peace All,

I am in the market for a new car and was quoted with GMS price for a G8 sedan with comfort, sound +premium package with additional discounts for about 26k Is the car worth it coming from a Honda and Camry driver. I want something exciting to drive and I was going to get the Acura TL or G35 until my cousin a GM employee told me to look at the G8. I am really worried about depreciation on this vehicle. Every mechanic is telling me to buy foreign unless getting the V8.


Thought I would ask you guys because your input will help in narrowing down my options.

Peace All,

I am in the market for a new car and was quoted with GMS price for a G8 sedan with comfort, sound +premium package with additional discounts for about 26k Is the car worth it coming from a Honda and Camry driver. I want something exciting to drive and I was going to get the Acura TL or G35 until my cousin a GM employee told me to look at the G8. I am really worried about depreciation on this vehicle. Every mechanic is telling me to buy foreign unless getting the V8.


Thought I would ask you guys because your input will help in narrowing down my options.

If you’re worried about any particular new vehicle holding its value don’t buy it. Remember the FJ SUV when it first came out? I wanted one but could not see paying 5-6k above msrp.
Buy a classic instead (the ’77 trans am or a ’65 mustang come to mind) and she will reward you for long time! LOL!
After all, she’s already been down low as she could go, so she’s got to come up for air right?

If U want ultimate thrills with a chance for appreciation, this is the babe who will supply that need. But get the GT fully loaded 888’s if U can find it.

If you want the nice low maintenance type next door that will get U off but won’t take U to the cleaners or cheat on U, then get the G8 V-6 sedan. w\ sun roof, premium, leather if U can, but U may have to love her long time.

JMHO Best of luck in your quest.

Regards,

EC-Ryder

New Jersey sounds like driving in Sydney, put your brains in your back pocket and your foot to the floor!!!

If you can get a nice discount on an 08 and can handle the noisy v6, its worth it. I drove one on Friday for my daughter, she may get one next weekend. I wanted to check out the
v6 and compare them, I know its not gonna perform like my gt and didn't expect it to. The v6just make a bunch of noise under full throttle. Maybe she won't mind. Still a nice ride for the money.

V-6's are for Rental Car Fleets.

From that comment BMW and MB should be easy to rent then.

I would rent them and the G8 V-6 all day long. All I'm able to get at the airport every time are those crummy Dodges that can't get out of their own way!

LOL!

I don't like how rough the V6 engine sounds. Why is it quiet in the CTS? What is different?

The amount of sound deadener in the car from factory :) They haven't put as much in so to keep the weight down.

I'm not sure if this thread is about how much those of us that have the v-6 enjoy our new G8 or if it's about a snoot towards the v-6 and some sort of "fleet car" reference.
Personally, I just traded my Turbo charged Grand Prix GTP for the G8 sedan. I find the performance adequate on the sedan. Certainly, there is a difference but really not much from the wheel.

NOTE:

You are nuts or love to waste money if you bought a car thats costing you $250 a month just to insure. FU>#$ THAT..

I have family in NY, and they tell me all the horror story prices they pay on insurance..Screw NY and NJ..I live in PA and its much much cheaper...

I'm not sure if this thread is about how much those of us that have the v-6 enjoy our new G8 or if it's about a snoot towards the v-6 and some sort of "fleet car" reference.
Personally, I just traded my Turbo charged Grand Prix GTP for the G8 sedan. I find the performance adequate on the sedan. Certainly, there is a difference but really not much from the wheel.

got any more pics of your g8?

wondering what the back looks like w/the red lenses on a red car

looks good in the tiny pic :)

I thought long and hard about going with the V8, but in the long run there were several factors that helped me with my decision. I've had several V8's, and I've had several V6's with good power as well. I'm really happy with the power of the sedan. I'm not the kind of guy who can keep my foot out of a V8 so mileage is also a factor for me. In order for AFM to work you have to let go of the throttle every once in a while.:driving: I like the rims on the sedan better than the GT's and crazy enough, I like the single exhaust. I fell in love with the looks of the car more than the power. Also, I got one heckuva deal of the sedan at the dealership when he was charging an additional 4k over sticker on the GT for 'actual market value increase' or some crap like that. I ended up paying 4k under sticker on the sedan and he gave me 2k more on my tradein than it was actually worth. Do I have regrets for not buying the GT? Very few and very far between.


got any more pics of your g8?

wondering what the back looks like w/the red lenses on a red car

looks good in the tiny pic :)

I'm not the original poster, but here's a couple of pics for you.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3199/2647382688_9f456ed04c.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3157/2646571959_10968ea290.jpg

got any more pics of your g8?

wondering what the back looks like w/the red lenses on a red car

looks good in the tiny pic :)


it's raining right now. otherwise I'd get you some recent one's with the 3M tinting. Still turns a lot of heads on the road.

when i was researching my g8 i looked into the v6 and v8 models, looked at gas mileage and so fourth. decided to go with the gt. personally i think it looks better. yes i know i could have bought the sedan and put the clear tail lenses on, and the quad exhaust, the chrome door handles. but i wanted the power and pride of the gt. and my insurance isnt too bad, im paying 138 a month. will go down at least 10 a month when i renew. i am 22. i had an 04 grand prix gt on my parents insurance and it was costing me 120 a month.

it's raining right now. otherwise I'd get you some recent one's with the 3M tinting. Still turns a lot of heads on the road.


That looks good! Thanks for posting


I'm currently stuck; trying to decide on a v6 or the v8

I guess it depends on your driving preference. Personally for me I couldn't see passing up on a V8 for only a couple thousand more. With my go fast goodies and a tune I'm blowing the V6 out of the water fuel economy wise, and I haven't even tried babying the car yet to get an actual mileage account. As more G8 GT's get on the road and start showing their stuff, you're gonna get tired of everyone trying you because they think you are a GT......The losses will start to work your Italian Ego over and you will be back into the dealer for a GT. ;) I never even considered the V6 so I can't comment on anything about it really, but I LOVE my GT......Good luck with your decision!

well,

The first reason was the price. here in canada the v8 was about 7 k more.
gaz price
insurance..
on a v6 i pay 900 a year and 2000 on a v8...
i had a cobaltss/sc before the g8. performance was not one of my goal with the g8.
i wanted a 4 door car with a smooth ride. the v6 has plenty of power for what i plan to do with the car...like go get groceries and travel. LOL
btw i dont have the car yet. will have the car on Monday. can't wait to have it!

well,

The first reason was the price. here in canada the v8 was about 7 k more.
gaz price
insurance..
on a v6 i pay 900 a year and 2000 on a v8...
i had a cobaltss/sc before the g8. performance was not one of my goal with the g8.
i wanted a 4 door car with a smooth ride. the v6 has plenty of power for what i plan to do with the car...like go get groceries and travel. LOL
btw i dont have the car yet. will have the car on Monday. can't wait to have it!

Weird, my insurance is only 1080/yr for GT and that is with 50% damage replacement insurance in Canada (BC)
Fuel mileage is almost the same.
I think you will love it regardless!! Congrats.

Weird, my insurance is only 1080/yr for GT and that is with 50% damage replacement insurance in Canada (BC)
Fuel mileage is almost the same.
I think you will love it regardless!! Congrats.


i am 24 :P thats were is the increase is coming from, + i have 4 speeding ticket in the last year.

i am 24 :P thats were is the increase is coming from, + i have 4 speeding ticket in the last year.

Ahhh the old fart factor!!

1306$ CAD a year with the V6, I'm 20, got no tickets but one collision (no responsibility however).

Newbie here. Definitely the old fart factor with me (53)! I was originally going to buy a Camaro, but with all the gouging and dealers screwing around, looking elsewhere was an option. I had been eyeing the G8 as a possible choice because the G8 and Camaro are very close cousins. A Pontiac dealer in town had a 2008 Panther Black G8 listed for 6000 off MSRP sitting on display. It has the V6 in it so I decided to give it a spin. I was very pleased with the response and the handling was excellent for such a large car. I tried a GT and the performance was excellent but the driveability of the GT didn't seem to be much better than the V6 version sans the acceleration factor of the V8. And considering I have two children in college financing 17000 dollars was much easier than 31000.
I don't understand the comment on the noisy V6. I don't think mine is. I mean it revs faster than the V8 under hard acceleration but most small displacement motors do that to achieve their power band Ever driven a Civic Si? Probably not but those who have understand what I mean. And as hyprrr said there are some styling cues on the V6 model that look better to me.
I am glad that I bought the G8. It grows on me more everyday that it gets driven. I love the 50/50 weight distribution. It reminds me of my old '88 BMW 325i in the way it drives. There are a lot of twisty roads around me and using the manual shifting provides a lot of driving fun that I think would not been any better with the V8. I guess i'm past street racing. The stigmas of 6 cylinder engines are quickly falling by the wayside as cars like this are being brought to the table. I mean this 3.6L engine is only about 30HP away from some V8's (current Mustang GT to name one). But anyway lets all enjoy our rides for whatever reason we bought them.:wall:

I pay like 85 a month for my G8 and my wifes accord here in NC through USAA. No accidents or speeding tickets though.

I got the v6 for the following reasons:

1.) lower insurance - minimal amount
2.) lower fuel costs - this is my DD to work. I will save about $500-1,000 year on fuel depending on gas prices.
3.) I save $3,000 on the price of the car.
4.) The v6 is plenty quick for me. I have no trouble passing cars on the highway, or speeding away from a light.
5.) I'm married:(. Wifey feels I don't need such a fast car. Anyway. The v6 G8 feels as fast as my 2006 Altima 3.5 SE.
6.) I'm 36; I don't care about showing off as much as the money I save on gas; insurance and car payment (lower price paid).
7.) I live in NY; there is no place to really enjoy the V8 and open it up here.

I tried a GT and the performance was excellent but the driveability of the GT didn't seem to be much better than the V6 version sans the acceleration (http://www.g8board.com/forums/showthread.php?p=198947#) factor of the V8.

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I just love the way the handling and sterring respond. The car feel heavy and extremely agile at the same time. I love this feeling. I never had a heavy car feel so agile, even w/ the v6. Its the best of both worlds.

I wanted to wait for the DI v6; but I needed a car.

My wife was saying how the car was necessity as a DD I should lease a Corolla for $179:rant:. She lost; but I felt if I got the v8; I would need to sleep w/ one eye open.

It's the rear wheel drive. Why do you think many European builders known for excellent handling (i.e. BMW, Mercedes, Porsche) never have used the front wheel drive platforms? That's the difference. My comment on the G8's driveability being similar to the old BMW was no loose comparison. There's just that feel of the RWD and the 50/50 weight balance that no FWD car can emulate. My Mazda6 is a good handling car but the FWD just doesn't compare.

Insurance would of been 60 more and my payments around 40 more.

That's 100 dollars more per month. Not worth it, IMO

Why did I get a Sedan vs. a GT? Well here you go.

First off the wife said don't come home with a white car. That was her only rule. We needed a family car so I went looking and found the G8. Bought it in October.

1. Dealer would not deal on the '09s but could deal on the '08s.
2. Only '08 GT was white.
3. Saved about 8G's on the sedan over the GT.


Sad part is, I stopped by the dealer the other day. They are now selling their left over GT's for 2 G's less than I paid for my Sedan. But the colors are the plain colors, red, white. But they sold their two GXP's for 50G's each.

It's the rear wheel drive. Why do you think many European builders known for excellent handling (i.e. BMW, Mercedes, Porsche) never have used the front wheel drive platforms? That's the difference. My comment on the G8's driveability being similar to the old BMW was no loose comparison. There's just that feel of the RWD and the 50/50 weight balance that no FWD car can emulate. My Mazda6 is a good handling car but the FWD just doesn't compare.

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I would of liked the v8; but I want a house more. The $3,000 I saved is very important to me.

The v6 isn't very fast, but is very quick. I would put on par w/ my 1989 Ford T-Bird SC; except the G8 v6 will not light up the tires...at least I have not tried. I'm happy. Here is list of all the RWD cars I have owned:

1979 Buick Century 4.9
1981 Datsun Maxima - Shame on Nissan for making the Maxima FWD
1985 Mercury Capri 5.0 - G8 v6 as fast
1989 Isuzu Impluse Turbo w/ Lotus Suspension
1986.5 Toyota Supra - Silver
1986.5 Toyota Supra - Burgandy
1989 Ford T-Bird SC - G8 v6 as fast
1987 Toyota Supra Turbo - G8 v6 as fast

I'm just happy to return to RWD from FWD. Now if only this car could shed 400 lbs:driving:

We bought the V6 for the following reasons,
We just wanted a daily driver for year round use. I couldn't see sacrificing a GT to the road salt used here in the winter. 256 hp is plenty for us in a DD. We have a '04 GTO and a vette for the summer. That satifies our need for raw V8 power. Can't really see a need for 361 hp in a foot of snow. We liked the rims, tailights, and exhaust tips better. Lastly, it's a 4 door family car all in all. I'm from the era of 4 door sedans aren't hot rod material. It is a great car. Don't get me wrong.

I got a price drop on insurance when I bought my G8 GT, mine went down 85 a year. I was coming out of a 04 Monte SS V6. My monthly is only 96 for 2 cars (and a not so clean driving record), with full coverage, and all the extra stuffs. I'm with Nationwide.

V6 is fun to drive, loaded, and turns many heads

$11K off MSRP

I love my G8:wink2:

My top two reasons to purchase the G8 base are the price and the 137 mph top end.

BTW the Liquid Red looks terrific.

Quote:
The v6 isn't very fast, but is very quick. I would put on par w/ my 1989 Ford T-Bird SC; except the G8 v6 will not light up the tires...at least I have not tried.

Very interesting posts here. Do we V6 people have an inferiority complex?????
:banghead: :judge::judge:
I find the most fun using 3rd and 4th gear in manual mode. The engine seems to be in its max power/torque band using those gears. Give it a try. No rubber burning but you feel it. Tires are expensive anyway :driving:

I went for the V6 because when I decided it was time for a new vehicle (upgrade from a '99 mercury cougar I4) I set myself a budget. When I started car shopping the local Pontiac dealership had 2 used '08 G8's on the lot, 1 V6 and 1 GT. The GT was just over the budget that I set for myself so it made my choice simple. I don't regret getting the V6 either.

My reason for purchasing the Liquid Red base sedan was cost. With all due respect to everyone who owns a GT the cost difference is not a couple of thousand dollars. The cost of a new GT with the sport package was $29,000.00 and I paid $17,300.00 for the base sedan.

Do not get me wrong a 100 HP increase for the GT makes it more powerful, but lets face it the LS3 GXP 415 HP runs circles around the GT. IMHO the minute the GXP came out @ $33,000.00 certified on Traderonline all GT's went into the rental fleet.:burnout:

Do any of your states have special gas guzzler taxes? Here, in Quebec, there's a special tax beginning at 4.0L (30$) and it increases up to 5.2L (150$), so instead of paying 260$ like I pay for the base G8 I'd be paying 410$ with a GT.

well i was one of the "suckers" who got the G8 before it was announced that all the big 3 were going bankrupt so i basically paid the price of the car.. well the employee discount thing...

if i would have only waited another 2 months before getting the sedan iwould have had the GT but hell when i saw my white hot i fell in love with it and, my only regret is that i didnt wait, but oh well... i think the sedan looks way better then the GT anyway with the rims and tail lights...i love my car; its a definite head turner, and as travolta said in grease, "shes a real ***** wagon"

another thing is why did i need another "sport" car? ive had z28s, a corvette, and i also have a pretty fast harley-ford truck...

the insurance was a factor as well.. i am 33 now and it would have still been pretty expensive

but if you want the Gt go for it, its probably the best deal out there with the prices dropping like crazy, but now the GT owners are getting pwn3d by the GXP dudes; so now they know what the v6 owners feel like when the Gt guys talk **** about the v6

I have a 05 GTO !

I went with the V6 because it was in my budget when I was shopping for a new daily driver. Plus, I'm recently married and just knew I'd drop about $5k more in mods into the GT if I had it. I'm coming from an 06 GTO so the V6 does seem a bit sluggish and I do suffer from GT envy every once and again. But I love the 6er and the price I paid!

By the time I went to buy, the GT's were scarcer than hen's teeth so I went with the V6. However, I have no regrets at all! I absolutely love this car!!

^the quotes were the same for me: im in FL and 24, with 4 speeding tickets... i pay $900 a year for two cars, and its not minimum coverage... but this is USAA...


I'm suprised to USAA decided to keep you after 4 speeding tickets, they booted me back in 2002 for that. I just went back to them after 7 years....LOL

I suppose those of us who are from the Baby Boom era grew up with V8's and really wouldn't be satisified with anything else. ( If you ever get a chance, kid, drive a late 60's bonneville with a 428 and you will undestand) People of your generation are used to living with v6's and are satisified, I guess. But since there is only a small difference in gas mileage figures, I'll take the torque of a V8 when I can get it.

Man, I know exactly what you are talking about.

After owning my V12 Jaguar for a decade, I didn't see how I could ever be happy buying a V8 Jag for my wife. I mean, every time I opened the hood, I'd wonder where the heck the rest of the engine was, wouldn't I?

But I held my nose, bought the V8, and it's been fine, a really nice engine (for a V8).

I'm from the very end of the baby boom era, and can't say that I miss the LS1 from my '04 GTO. It was a very fine engine, far better than I expected from a pushrod engine.
GM has done a lot with pushrods, drove themselves all the way into bankruptcy with them, but I can't say that I miss it.

engine snobbery = fail.

i don't understand the v6 in muscle cars
G8
Mustang
Camaro

i also don't understand why my insurance is less w/ the G8, i originally had a '02 highlander - maybe cuz its SUV ?

i don't understand the v6 in muscle cars
G8
Mustang
Camaro

i also don't understand why my insurance is less w/ the G8, i originally had a '02 highlander - maybe cuz its SUV ?
Keep in mind that Mustangs and Camaros are only borderline 'muscle cars'. Remember the term 'pony car'? These are supposed to be small and affordable. This is the everyman's sports coupe! That's why you see so many girls driving Mustangs (and you will see them in Camaros, and also not to be sexist, just a fact of life). They are sexy vehicles, but you don't NEED to have wheel-burning power to appreciate it.

I wanted a Stryker Blue G8, but in Canada, they did not sell the GT version in Stryker Blue. How stupid! That's the only reason I didn't get a V6. I do love the car though! Does anyone have production numbers for 2009 G8 Stryker Blue V6?

To me the base looked better, cost less, and I got a great deal and love my V6. I enjoy driving it. Its loaded with everything and I added my own bluetooth with my GPS. It turns heads, fun to drive, wont win any races with V8's but I dont go to race tracks, we dont have any in Boston anyway....LOL

I went from a '06 WRX TR to my '09 G8 GT, full coverage on both.....jumping up from 224 to 361 in hp and about $9k in msrp price..... and to my surprise, my insurance dropped $32 a month. I couldn't believe it. They both get 25 mpg on the hwy.

I'm a 48 year old father of 10 in whose chest beats the same heart that once fell in love with a '72 Lemans. I haven't owned a GM/Chrysler/Ford since I bought a Nissan Maxima GLE new in 2000.

I really like the quality of the car and the strong pull of that 3.0 VQE V6 and told myself I was Nissan for life. After all, "they weren't bad for a front drive platform".

Well the old girl had 147K on her and all the boltons were breaking down so I went looking for a replacement. First stop, my local Nissan dealer. But I just couldn't justify $38 grand for a new '09 Max. That opened up my options and I began shopping.

On a whim I stopped by a local Chevy/Pontiac dealer to see if they had any Camaros on the lot. The salesman pointed me to a G8 V6 driven by a GM rep and purchased at auction. It only had 8k on it.

I hadn't even seen one before. Where did this come from?

I hadn't gone half a mile before I was sold. The engine didn't leap off the line like the VQE but it was stronger in high RPMs without all the torque steer. Damn if it didn't feel balanced like a 5 series too. Just the combination I was looking for.

I went back in and Got $2K for my Max and paid $23K for my CPO G8 Sedan with a 100K bumper-to-bumper warranty.

Damn car has been putting a smile on my face ever since. :driving:

I wasn't looking for a V8. 261hp is good enough for me. I'm not racing anyone. Just passing the idiots that hog the left lane at 65mph so I can get the kids to baseball/soccer/basketball/KungFu/... I want to make that pass quickly before the door gets shut.

IMO The fuel economy #s are close between the V6 and GT but only if you keep your foot out of it long enough for those extra cylinders to be deactivated. That's not my driving style.

-Dennis-

i don't know about the v8 but i got 800 km out of 1 tank of gaz couple weeks ago.
i was really surprised.

Does anyone have production numbers for 2009 G8 Stryker Blue V6?

They made 423 Stryker Blue G8 Sedans

I have two kids in college and I got tired of the mustang. This is the first GM product I've ever owned and the first v6 also. I've either done Ford or Dodge V8's or Foreign I4's. I like The look of the vehicle and figured I didn't need a V8 at this time (: waiting for my kids to graduate college then I see if the need for speed equals my checkbook.

I'm a 48 year old father of 10 in whose chest beats the same heart that once fell in love with a '72 Lemans. I haven't owned a GM/Chrysler/Ford since I bought a Nissan Maxima GLE new in 2000.

I really like the quality of the car and the strong pull of that 3.0 VQE V6 and told myself I was Nissan for life. After all, "they weren't bad for a front drive platform".

Well the old girl had 147K on her and all the boltons were breaking down so I went looking for a replacement. First stop, my local Nissan dealer. But I just couldn't justify $38 grand for a new '09 Max. That opened up my options and I began shopping.

On a whim I stopped by a local Chevy/Pontiac dealer to see if they had any Camaros on the lot. The salesman pointed me to a G8 V6 driven by a GM rep and purchased at auction. It only had 8k on it.

I hadn't even seen one before. Where did this come from?

I hadn't gone half a mile before I was sold. The engine didn't leap off the line like the VQE but it was stronger in high RPMs without all the torque steer. Damn if it didn't feel balanced like a 5 series too. Just the combination I was looking for.

I went back in and Got $2K for my Max and paid $23K for my CPO G8 Sedan with a 100K bumper-to-bumper warranty.

Damn car has been putting a smile on my face ever since. :driving:

I wasn't looking for a V8. 261hp is good enough for me. I'm not racing anyone. Just passing the idiots that hog the left lane at 65mph so I can get the kids to baseball/soccer/basketball/KungFu/... I want to make that pass quickly before the door gets shut.

IMO The fuel economy #s are close between the V6 and GT but only if you keep your foot out of it long enough for those extra cylinders to be deactivated. That's not my driving style.

-Dennis-

Father of 10? Are you gonna convert your G8 to a bus?:wink2:

Insurance will be different bearing age, driving history, and Location I was paying 350 a month for a V6 and a 636cc Bike in Vegas now i pay 140 a month for a V8 and the same bike in St Louis both with statefarm

There is something to be said for being older I guess...lol....the cost of insurance goes down on nice cars for sure...just have to keep the young mindset when driving my GT, keeps us young...I can't bring myself to drive it like an old folk....whew...

Father of 10? Are you gonna convert your G8 to a bus?:wink2:
No, but I'm seriously thinking of painting it yellow :burnout:

-Dennis- (who is off to vacume up the grass off the floor mats from baseball practice)

They made 423 Stryker Blue G8 Sedans

Wow...I feel very lucky now. Just got my 2009 Stryker Blue V6 May 20. No mods yet, just tint. Going to get a 12 in sub built into the rear deck between the other two speakers with a custom box (maybe) and do the JHP VIM...or find a cheaper way:) CAI should be getting done this week. Still not sure about mufflers, took a mechanic on I know and couldn't get the right sound So I went back stock. No rims because I have a warranty package on the wheels/tires for 3yr/36,000.

Oh, and I'm in Texas, so I don't think ANYBODY has higher insurance than us. Don't know exactly what I'm paying for my car but when I upgraded from an 03 Grand Am (4 Cyl) to the G8 it went up $24 (currently at $3228 a year for both vehicles). Wife has a 09 Hyundai Sonata GLS. Was thinking about the Camaro instead of G8 but dealers were thirsty about them like they were the savior of GM when GM already tanked and I didn't see the point of getting it just because they were a "hot commodity" and everyone would have one (plus I got 0%/72mos for my G8).

Reasons why I chose my V6? There's a list of them.
1. Price. I don't know where these GT guys are getting their pricing from, $2K price difference? No sir. At least not here. I got my V6 for $27K with sunroof (had to have that and got rid of the leather package...I'm in Texas) and upgraded to sound and comfort package because that changed the entire interior dash wise so that put the car after financing GAP, employee pricing, Execu-care warranties for wear and tear (don't have to buy brakes/rotors and things like that that are MADE to wear down over time for 6yrs) and 0%/72mos at $32K. GT's were STARTING near that not counting the sunroof I had to have. After putting back GAP and the other warranties I needed a GT would've been a good $5K more at least and that's on the low end.

2. Budget. GT would've been WAY out, I was pushing it with the V6, but I am VERY pleased with the V6.

3. Driveability. Test drove both before buying and just overall throttle performance without putting in extra money for tuners and everything else the V6 handled better in my opinion for what it was and it accelerated if not the same way but faster than the V8.

4. Sound. The V6 was quiet but loud at the same time. The V8 was TOO QUIET for it to be a V8. I thought when I cranked the V8 up I would get a deep growl similar to the Mustang V8 and I didn't get that so that turned me off from it.

5. Cosmetics. The clear taillights looked great on the GT...but I knew that I was getting ALL the lights tinted once I got my vehicle so in the end it didn't really matter. And if it was reall about the taillights or the quad tips I could get the quad tips put on later on the V6 and I could get the GT taillights off eBay or something. But I love my dual pipes and how big and open they are.

6. Gas mileage was NOT a reason why I chose the V6 because gas mileage was similar...which didn't make too much sense to me at the time.

7. Wasn't going to use the horsepower. Would I like my V6 to have more horsepower? Of course, and I will obtain that by changing the intake and the mufflers. Not going to get a tune or anything because I'm not taking the chance of voiding the warranty. When it's out of warranty 100,000 miles from now maybe. Going to change the mufflers also eventually but not the cats for warranty issues and it's an expensive hassle that I don't want to undertake right now. No need to FINANCE the big engine of the V8 when the V6 is a big enough engine and I can still up the Hp to something more while increasing gas mileage.

I would have thought about the V-6 if it was the 3.6 direct injection like in the CTS, it would have had 305 hp, that would have almost been enouph

and I am on LI, but I am older(38) so ins is 1500 for me and wifes pruis

I would have thought about the V-6 if it was the 3.6 direct injection like in the CTS, it would have had 305 hp, that would have almost been enouph

and I am on LI, but I am older(38) so ins is 1500 for me and wifes pruis

That's the ONLY reason I was considering the Camaro...but at the end of the day there's no point in getting a Camaro if you don't get the RS package and for everything I wanted on the Camaro to make it similar to the G8 with the interest rate they were charging I couldn't get it...plus I'm 6'4 so I couldnt see myself driving the Camaro everyday even though I'm only 24. I love the "sporty room" I get in the G8. Also why I didn't choose the V8 over the V6 because the exact same packages were available on both. If there was something I could only get on the V8 besides the engine then I would've forced the V8 in my budget:)

I just brought home my Stryker Blue v6 yesterday. I went through much consideration between the G8 and the Mustang. Also, between the v6 and v8. Other than the cost difference, and receiving a good deal on the v6, the color was what sealed the deal. I could not find the Stryker Blue in a v8 with a sunroof ANYWHERE!

Yeah the Stryker Blue's with a sunroof are heard to find, I guess because there weren't too many made. My dealer still has a Stryker Blue GT but it doesn't have a sunroof. I think mine is especially special because it has the sunroof but doesn't have the premium leather package, I think that's really hard to find. I got a better deal on my V6 because it was an earlier model 2009 before they raised the cost price on their vehicles

I'm 37, no insurance worries here. :) So, why would you buy a V6? Hmmm, 2 grand less and 2mpg? Not seeing the reasoning here.

I'm not seeing the reasoning in you being in the V6 forum...especially in a topic discussing why V6 OWNERS CHOSE IT OVER THE GT. We have our own reasons...and if you think it's just 2 grand less and 2mpg you are SADLY MISTAKEN AND YOU DID NOT READ MY POST. If you don't want to read it because it's long that's understandable but don't comment on the money and miles per gallon, because there are other reasons for choosing the V6. And for all the other V8 TROLLS IN HERE IT IS NOT JUST A 2 GRAND DIFFERENCE!! I would really hate to pull out all the numbers but I will if I have to...

I pulled out the numbers for you, and that is base on both

sticker price on the V-6 29,000(carsdirect.com
sticker price on the V-8 32,505(carsdirect.com

so it is a 3.5 K differnce, also if you just get the better sound, and dual zone AC,to match what you get for nothing in the GT the baseprice goes to 29,795, now the differnce is 2710

Thanks...but I do not pay what you pay for your GM cars. Straight from the GMfamilyfirst website.

G8 base - $26,225.75
G8 GT - $29,338.38

A difference here of $3,112.63. Now i did get the comfort and sound which is $695 and power sunroof which is $765 so both of those negate each other in the price of the car. The only differences in price that could be added in is a GT Sport package that was available if I bought the GT and the premium leather package that I did not get as it is more expensive on the GT that I did not get.

So that puts my car at "supposedly" $27, 685.75. But once again I did not pay this, I paid just a little over $27.1 for my car because my dealer found one with my specs on a lot somewhere that the dealer needed to get rid of and it was an early model 2009 so the production costs were lower on a few things.

Now without talking about GAP, wheel and tire protection, execu-care protection for items that ARE NOT covered unter warranty for the warranty time of the car, TTL, and other things that would go back into either car I chose all that doesn't matter but I got my V6 for well below sticker of a GT and it is definitely not a $2K or $2,710 difference when I get done with the vehicle and when all is said and done in the finance room because the more you finance the more TTL, GAP, and all the other warranties that I got for the vehicle goes up.

Now go back and read my post on why I chose a V6 over a GT...unless you're a GT owner then it doesn't matter because you have a GT. That would be like me, a V6 owner, going into the V8 room, and making a thread "Hey why buy the V8 when you can get the V6, lacking something?" No. That's pointless. Honestly, I've never even been in the V8 thread. For what? There's nothing of use for me in there. I respect the GT owners but don't comment on why a V6 owner bought a V6 in a V6 forum. Like the packages were the same, or it accelerated faster and the driveability was better than the GT, or we wanted a sporty sedan in our budget and the G8 was pushing it so the GT would've been way out. This isn't a general forum.

I'm not seeing the reasoning in you being in the V6 forum...especially in a topic discussing why V6 OWNERS CHOSE IT OVER THE GT. We have our own reasons...and if you think it's just 2 grand less and 2mpg you are SADLY MISTAKEN AND YOU DID NOT READ MY POST. If you don't want to read it because it's long that's understandable but don't comment on the money and miles per gallon, because there are other reasons for choosing the V6. And for all the other V8 TROLLS IN HERE IT IS NOT JUST A 2 GRAND DIFFERENCE!! I would really hate to pull out all the numbers but I will if I have to...

Wow, why the yelling? I will get out of your post, but you really make yourself look like a jerk by screaming with the CAPS button locked. I guess I tried to answer your post in a friendly manner. Insurance isn't an issue for me because of my age (37). MSRP is only a couple grand difference, and the MPG isn't too far off either from what I have read. I have nothing against V6 motors. In fact, the DI V6 in the CTS and the Camaro is truly a work of art. If you want the V6 and it meets your needs, then go for it. Please refrain from calling me a troll. I have been on boards like these for years, and this is the first time anyone has ever called me a troll. Not true, and not cool.

I don't have a V6 or a GT yet, but am leaning towards the GT if I can find one for the right price. I can see plenty of reasons why someone would choose the v6 over the v8. Price is a major factor. Let's behonest, even teh difference in sticker isn't accurate. People seem to be able to get way more off sticker of a v6 than a v8. Simple supply and demand. Dealers seem to have a little more trouble moving the v6's so they are willing to come down more.

The v6 is still a great car and those that chose the v6 shouldn't have to justify it to a v8 owner. For myself, I have a hard time taking the v6 right now because it would be step down in power/speed from what I drive now and as we all know, HP is addicting.

Wow, why the yelling? I will get out of your post, but you really make yourself look like a jerk by screaming with the CAPS button locked. I guess I tried to answer your post in a friendly manner. Insurance isn't an issue for me because of my age (37). MSRP is only a couple grand difference, and the MPG isn't too far off either from what I have read. I have nothing against V6 motors. In fact, the DI V6 in the CTS and the Camaro is truly a work of art. If you want the V6 and it meets your needs, then go for it. Please refrain from calling me a troll. I have been on boards like these for years, and this is the first time anyone has ever called me a troll. Not true, and not cool.

Your input to insurance is fine because the topic was diverted...but you're comment about not seeing the point of a V6 when there's a $2K difference was not needed. I am responding to a post why a V6 owner chose a V6. Don't need a GT owner questioning why we did it on the back end. Who cares what you're trying to reiterate again with MSRP because I've discredited that already, go read my last 2 or 3 posts. No one is questioning the MPG because there's no real difference there and I never said that was the reason for me choosing the V6 ultimately.

I don't have a V6 or a GT yet, but am leaning towards the GT if I can find one for the right price. I can see plenty of reasons why someone would choose the v6 over the v8. Price is a major factor. Let's behonest, even teh difference in sticker isn't accurate. People seem to be able to get way more off sticker of a v6 than a v8. Simple supply and demand. Dealers seem to have a little more trouble moving the v6's so they are willing to come down more.

The v6 is still a great car and those that chose the v6 shouldn't have to justify it to a v8 owner. For myself, I have a hard time taking the v6 right now because it would be step down in power/speed from what I drive now and as we all know, HP is addicting.

Thank you sir, well put. The V6 G8 was WAY above my 4 cylinder 2003 Grand Am SE1.

Your input to insurance is fine because the topic was diverted...but you're comment about not seeing the point of a V6 when there's a $2K difference was not needed. I am responding to a post why a V6 owner chose a V6. Don't need a GT owner questioning why we did it on the back end. Who cares what you're trying to reiterate again with MSRP because I've discredited that already, go read my last 2 or 3 posts. No one is questioning the MPG because there's no real difference there and I never said that was the reason for me choosing the V6 ultimately.

CHale, no hard feelings. It's your car (and a great one at that), your money, your decision. I see you are in Dallas. If our paths ever cross, let me buy you a beer. Sorry if I misunderstood your post. All who know me know I am just a simple car guy. Anyway, I am sorry that I offended you. It certainly was not my intention.
JT

CHale, no hard feelings. It's your car (and a great one at that), your money, your decision. I see you are in Dallas. If our paths ever cross, let me buy you a beer. Sorry if I misunderstood your post. All who know me know I am just a simple car guy. Anyway, I am sorry that I offended you. It certainly was not my intention.
JT

No hard feelings at all. It just irritated me that all the GT owners were in a V6 thread about why V6 owners bought the V6 seeming as if they were trying to discredit the V6. That would be like me a Nike wearer going in an Adidas/Reebok thread asking guys "Why in the hell do you guys buy those things, you can buy a better pair of Nike's for $20" Trust us V6 owners when it's all said and done it's not a $2K difference, if so there would be no point of GM/Pontiac of selling the V6, or making the price point that close (although we've seen that GM isn't that bright on things and on marketing). $2K isn't even $100 on the total car payment. I don't care if you're in the V6 forum because honestly just about every G8 owner can bring valuable knowledge to the overall forum...except I would be NO USE to a GXP owner, I have no idea what to say on those things haha. I may take you up on that beer if I pass you though...well...not pass you per se GT owner HAHA

No hard feelings at all. I may take you up on that beer if I pass you though...well...not pass you per se GT owner HAHA

Hey, slap a turbo on your car and you will eat me for lunch my friend. That's the thing about cars, you never know what someone is running. Ever seen a V6 Mustang with turbos?

Hey, slap a turbo on your car and you will eat me for lunch my friend. That's the thing about cars, you never know what someone is running. Ever seen a V6 Mustang with turbos?

I'm not putting turbo, supercharger, getting a chip or anything on the car right now. Not even changing the cats until after the car is out of warranty...if I still have it then, that's is 100,000 miles. Don't want to do anything to void the warranty. Not even changing the wheels until after my wheel/tire warranty is up.

i got the V6 cause they ran out of the GT's but the only option they had was the V6,it didnt bother me at all cause i got a good deal on it and i got the color i wanted...so heres the million dollar question i bought the V6 for 24K but if i really wanted a V8 that bad it would cost me 40K with no GM incentives and plus taxes,freight and RIV (importing fees) so i was looking at 50K total....so yeah il stick with my V6...

40K for a GT? where the hell do you live Hawaii?

I got my GT for 25.5

i live in windsor, ontario, canada...the ripp off city for new cars...

I have the GT, but give me a V-6 rear wheel drive anyday over all the other FWD (yawn) choices and boring Japanese choices out there.

Look how popular BMW sixes are, they're fun to drive and handle well and go when you punch them. It's the same with our G8s.

I haven't driven one but I'll guess the at G8 V6 is a blast to drive!

Go G8 V-6s!! :driving:

I have driven many v6 Mustangs (including one today) that my wife rents. It has enough power to be a little fun to drive. The RWD is controlable when driven hard, I would assume the G8 is the same and would be a better choice of a daily driver than a FWD or expensive import RWD. I drive my gt daily but work only a few miles from home so gas is not much of a factor. If I transfer as planned, I will be driving my wife's saturn as she drives a rental anyhow and I will like the gas savings. Maybe a V6 would be ok.

Why I didn't get the GT [In Order]:
-It will take my V6 the same amount of time going 45 down the street that it would take a GT for less money and looking a lot better (GT rims are not attractive and I don't really like the dual exhaust tip look).
-Cheaper (I got my V6 for $14k less than a GT)
-I don't need to get to 60 6 or 7 seconds faster.
-The 3 or 4 G8s I've seen in my area are all GTs, why should I spend so much money just to be like someone else?
-Without me, GT trolls wouldn't exist.
:)

Why I got the V6

-last car at the dealer (no more G8's the area)
-was in budget
-insurance was better
-better fuel economy NUMBERS (I have yet to drive long distances to test the numbers)

and who says I can't tune the v6? I'm an engineer, I like challenges :)

Why I didn't get the GT :
-It will take my V6 the same amount of time going 45 down the street that it would take a GT for less money and looking a lot better (GT rims are not attractive and I don't really like the dual exhaust tip look).
-Cheaper (I got my V6 for $14k less than a GT)
-I don't need to get to 60 6 or 7 seconds faster.
-The 3 or 4 G8s I've seen in my area are all GTs, why should I spend so much money just to be like someone else?
-Without me, GT trolls wouldn't exist.
:)

With all this blasphemy you will get trolled.

But --[I]I hear ya!!!!

the rebates on the v6 car are better than the gt model most of the time. so the price diff is usually more than 2k. The real world gas mileage is better w/ the v6, it's just impossible to drive a gt normally. Get what fits your budget best they are both great cars, nobody likes to work just to make car pmts

OK - 2cents:
1) Higher "tech" factor (Dbl overhd cam/4 valve/VVT/variable length intake
2) 250lbs. less over front end (better balance)
3) Less initial money to join G8 family
4) Gas is gonna go up again (V6 still slightly better)
5) Less reported "snatch" in 1st to 2nd shift
6) Doubts on cylinder deactivation tech, long term
7) Plenty fun enough!
8) Fun to annoy trolls... :slap:

I got the V6 because I drive 25k miles per year. It's a cheaper car to buy, cheaper to maintain (cheaper tires, less oil needed...), and 87 is cheaper than premium to buy.

Say what you want about MPGs for the V8 vs the V6. If I baby my car I can get 27+ per tank - that's the whole tank, not just a 20 mile stretch on the highway. But this car is too damn fun to drive so I get 25-26 per tank.

In the V8 I know that my MPGs per tank would be in the low 20s.

Sure I won't win races at the track, but that's not where I do my driving. The 40-60 times and 50-70 times in the V6 are outstanding, I can pass anyone I want anytime I want.

It comes down to the TCO of this car is significantly lower than the V8 and the performance is well within what I desire.

^ "I can pass anyone I want anytime I want."


Really?? LMAO Just playing man, just playin. Hey, buy which one you like and can afford but most importantly, buy the one that makes you happy. You are the one ultimately paying for it! Just my .02

Everyone has a reason for buying either a V6 or V8. For me, I only need one high performance vehicle, which is my 02 Camaro SS. I daily driver, which is the G8(V6). A family car/truck which is the Escalade. I dont need v8 power in all my cars, only in one. Thats me and everyone has there reasons. If you have a v6, be proud. If you have a v8, be proud. gas mileage sucks on both cars, even though the v6 is a bit better. But I could not find a better looking, somewhat American car than the G8 at a good price. I will not by Japanese and if i wanted luxury I would buy another Cadillac. No matter what you get, I respect your reason. Enjoy your cars and dont do anything reckless on the streets.

Why I didn't get the GT [In Order]:
-It will take my V6 the same amount of time going 45 down the street that it would take a GT for less money and looking a lot better (GT rims are not attractive and I don't really like the dual exhaust tip look).
-Cheaper (I got my V6 for $14k less than a GT) ??
-I don't need to get to 60 6 or 7 seconds faster.
-The 3 or 4 G8s I've seen in my area are all GTs, why should I spend so much money just to be like someone else?
-Without me, GT trolls wouldn't exist.
:)

I assume you bought a used car and your compairing to a new car?? As far as wheels I really like the V6 wheels but they do not compare to the look of the GT 19" wheel IMO. As far as being like someone else well you have seen "3 or 4 GT's" I would not say thats being like everyone else considering you probably see thousands of cars in a day.

Quad exhaust well thats an opinion that can go either way...

Intial cost savings of almost $4,000.00 over the GT
Did not have the AFM system
Somewhat better milage.
I like overhead cam engines
I don't race.

I wish that the V6 was married to the 6spd MT or 6 speed auto.
I wish that it had the DI V6

Ditto, Panzer - And if I DO need a little more zippity in the ol' doo-da, I can rely on the Kawasaki in the garage to take care of bidness.... :eek:

I wish that the V6 was married to the 6spd MT or 6 speed auto.I wish that it had the DI V6

If it had the DI and 6 speed I think it would have been a very good selling car. Kinda like my TBSS they put a bad ass motor in it but got to cheap for the 6 speed?? WTF does GM think. the 6 speed = better on gas and performace! Who doesnt want one or the other (I always prefer both)

My reasons: 1:Wife dont need 361hp 2: Budget, 3: I dont need anymore cars to mod 4: 256 is good enough 5: It what the wife wanted 6: I have a supercharged GTO to whoop ass

^ "I can pass anyone I want anytime I want."


Really?? LMAO Just playing man, just playin. Hey, buy which one you like and can afford but most importantly, buy the one that makes you happy. You are the one ultimately paying for it! Just my .02

Ok, so you're in the 4% of all cars on the road that can speed up to keep me from passing you. To quote Christian Bale: 'Oh goooooooooooooood for youuu'

Besides, I was talking about on the highway when I'm sitting behind someone that is going slow or not maintaining a constant speed I can pass them a lot more easily than I can in my previous car.

My G8 GT was 21k + TTL used, and gets 27mpg on the highway. Insurance for it is ~ $80 a month -- 25, married, no tickets. Chalk me up as satisfied. :drink:

My GT is a $100 a month and I have a speeding ticket in the last year. Full coverage from AAA and I mean maxed out with $250 deduct. This car is cheaper to insure than the 07 civic coupe I traded in for it!