dealer has a silver g8 gt sport prem with no bluetooth, no roof still on lot. Never title, has 550 miles on it. I offered them 23k. You think I stand a chance of them taking it?

I was thinking if they came back anywhere between there and 25k I would do it. It has 34,155 sticker....I think.

dealer has a silver g8 gt sport prem with no bluetooth, no roof still on lot. Never title, has 550 miles on it. I offered them 23k. You think I stand a chance of them taking it?

I was thinking if they came back anywhere between there and 25k I would do it. It has 34,155 sticker....I think.

LOL! Hold your breath on them calling you.

I have to ask, where did you come up with THAT number?

Give them my number. Our dealership will buy it for more than that.

anything under 30k OTD is good IMO...

CLAW, just go for it!! The worst thing they can do is say no. The economy ain't getting any better, therefore those of us with stable employment and good credit can pretty much write our own ticket (within reason of course).

otd figures are no good without knowing sales tax %. I came up with that number based on the fact that the car has been sitting there a year. They called me this evening on my work line and left a message to call them back.....I didn't get it until just now.

LOL! Hold your breath on them calling you.

I have to ask, where did you come up with THAT number?

Give them my number. Our dealership will buy it for more than that.

Damn you don't have to shoot the man down for trying to negotiate lol.

BTW I purchased my G8 GT premium/sport well below sticker, and I mean WAAYYYYY below MSRP, so it never hurts to see. Hell I can't think of a time where I even came within three grand of sticker, whether it was my 07 civic, or my 09 Accord coupe. What my man is doing is just good posturing if you ask me lol

Well seeing as how I (along with a few others) paid like 27k OTD via GM family program with all the super agressive rebates that GM had going a few months ago and a decent amount on an old trade in, I'd say you have little chance of getting that number.

However, because the car has sat a year, you might be able to land it around the 29k mark and if thats the call you get tomorrow, you better jump if you really want the car.

And if you do get it at 23k, show us the paperwork.

I suppose its really bad news if a new GT is able to be sold for 23... or even 25.

I paid $20K for mine used from Dan at Haggerty, and my insurance co says it's worth $23K almost a year later. Not bad huh?

car has no bluetooth. The salesman told me they were going to sell it and the two others they have to a "resaler" that contacted them through ebay.

OTD figures do nothing for me, LA is 9% sales tax.
The way I look at it is....at least I made them an offer. I could have done nothing.

car has no bluetooth. The salesman told me they were going to sell it and the two others they have to a "resaler" that contacted them through ebay.

OTD figures do nothing for me, LA is 9% sales tax.
The way I look at it is....at least I made them an offer. I could have done nothing.

OK, well I didnt buy my car in L.A. County...so sales tax wasn't 9% for me. And just so you have a solid guideline, my car had a sticker price of 32.4k, and after GM discount and it was around 28.7k if I recall.... then take off the 4500 - 5k bucks in rebates.

So what you are asking them for is Family pricing AND the rebates that I'm not sure GM is even offering anymore PLUS another 1500 or so for your business. Thats why your offer is pretty far off the deep end IMO.

There is a thread in here someplace that asks what people paid for their cars, maybe find it and then base your offers on those responses. :)

no way you get that car for under $25k. If you like it, buy it. Quit worrying about the absolute best deal possible. There aren't anymore around. If you can get it for under $28k, I'd do it.

$32,025.38 Sales Price
$2,001.59 Taxes (6.25%)
$10 Interstate Driveaway
$15 County Tax
$151.65 DOC Fee
--------------------------
$34,203.62
$4,500 - Rebates
$1,476.25 - GMS Memo
--------------------------
$28,227.37 OTD

We cannot do your Indiana plates so that should account for the difference in the two numbers. You take care of them when you go back to your own state.

Dan you quoted someone this in another thread.....Is this still a viable number....with the exception of LA being 9% tax?
My holdup is that out of all 9 cars that are available within 50 miles or so, I can't find one with bluetooth or the red interior. I really want the dark gray with onyx/red.

also what amount of the rebate would I have to give up if I took the 0% for 72 months?

I got mine this past Feb 09 for $27k with the 0% for 72 months and it had 230 miles on it. If you're able to get one for under $29k then go for it. Mine sat on the dealer lot since July 08 till Feb 09, and it's a Gt with Sport and Premium with no sun roof/bluetooth.

Damn you don't have to shoot the man down for trying to negotiate lol.

BTW I purchased my G8 GT premium/sport well below sticker, and I mean WAAYYYYY below MSRP, so it never hurts to see. Hell I can't think of a time where I even came within three grand of sticker, whether it was my 07 civic, or my 09 Accord coupe. What my man is doing is just good posturing if you ask me lol

Haha, caught me on a bad day I guess. I understand where he is at and what he is trying to do. Plus, I am all for guys getting good deals.

On that note, most dealers have none to only a handfull of G8's left on the lot. Most will deal, but nowhere near what was going on around Feb and March.

Get em while ya can!:)

$32,025.38 Sales Price
$2,001.59 Taxes (6.25%)
$10 Interstate Driveaway
$15 County Tax
$151.65 DOC Fee
--------------------------
$34,203.62
$4,500 - Rebates
$1,476.25 - GMS Memo
--------------------------
$28,227.37 OTD

We cannot do your Indiana plates so that should account for the difference in the two numbers. You take care of them when you go back to your own state.

Dan you quoted someone this in another thread.....Is this still a viable number....with the exception of LA being 9% tax?
My holdup is that out of all 9 cars that are available within 50 miles or so, I can't find one with bluetooth or the red interior. I really want the dark gray with onyx/red.

Rebates are $4000 now. For the most part that looks about right.

so I only give up $4000 for 0%?

so I only give up $4000 for 0%?

If you think $4000 is "only" then yes. :) I'd recommend seeing what the best rate your local banks will give you, take the money and have a lower balance and pay it off sooner than later so the interest will not be a big factor.

my thoughts as well in the rebate. I meant by only that I wasn't forfeiting any kind of discount I may get for credit union membership or something else.....

What is the GMS memo?

This is the breakdown of numbers: Supplier price $32758.52
Less Rebate 4000.00 =
$28758.52
Trade [16000.00]=
$12758.52 + TTL + Payoff
This is what the dealer just emailed me. I hate the fact that it is an old one with no bluetooth. It is a non sunroof, silver, sport, premium.

Regarding Bluetooth... you might want to take a look at this thread...

http://www.g8board.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23423

Basically, he has retrofitted factory bluetooth to cars that didn't have it.

This is the breakdown of numbers: Supplier price $32758.52
Less Rebate 4000.00 =
$28758.52
Trade [16000.00]=
$12758.52 + TTL + Payoff
This is what the dealer just emailed me. I hate the fact that it is an old one with no bluetooth. It is a non sunroof, silver, sport, premium.


Decent deal.... But I'm not sure why you're considering if its not what you REALLY want though. I realize there aren't many left out there right now, but I wouldnt buy something that wasnt really close to what I wanted just for a good price on a car stranded on a dealer lot.

Haha, caught me on a bad day I guess. I understand where he is at and what he is trying to do. Plus, I am all for guys getting good deals.

On that note, most dealers have none to only a handfull of G8's left on the lot. Most will deal, but nowhere near what was going on around Feb and March.

Get em while ya can!:)

Your right about the G8 shortage. I went to the first dealership I tried to buy my G8 from to have the Brake and Tire Presure recalls done(they didn't like my offer so I turned around and went to another dealership and got the same car for much less and with a roof) and they only had one G8 left and it was a V6.

This is the breakdown of numbers: Supplier price $32758.52
Less Rebate 4000.00 =
$28758.52
Trade [16000.00]=
$12758.52 + TTL + Payoff
This is what the dealer just emailed me. I hate the fact that it is an old one with no bluetooth. It is a non sunroof, silver, sport, premium.

Sunroof was a deal breaker for me, but at the same time if you want your car to be a little lighter then it's all good. You can buy a jabra blue tooth speaker to clip to your visor for $70bucks and it will project through your car stereo via FM transmitter. I have a buddy who has an 09 and his manufacturing date is only three months after my 08's so I wouldn't trip to much about the car being "old".

I actually don't care too much for a sunroof. This is the car I wanted (or the dark grey) so I am cool with that, just wish it had factory bluetooth, but if it is easily added then nbd.
If they come down to Dan's price, I will pick it up next week.
Trying to figure out what the GMS memo is......is that the employee price?

My opinion is that if you want a NEW G8, I'd go for the deal IF the trade-in allowance is cool with you. If they are giving you a crappy trade-in allowance, I'd beat them up over it to get a better deal or sell the car yourself and look for a low mileage used G8.

BTW, is it a two-tone interior (Red/Onyx)?

good trade allowance IMO. 2005 TL. It is not a red interior, although I think that would look very sharp with either the silver or dark grey.

Just pull the trigger. It is a G8 so you will be satisfied in the long run. Great car. My favorite car I have owned or driven. I had a good time with the GTO when they first hit the scene, but four dours, unlimited leg room and a huge trunk comes in handy.

good luck- I thought I needed a sunroof. But I recall rarely ever using a sunroof in my other cars.
Blue tooth-- aftermarket upgrades are fairly cheap.

PS I paid 26.2K in May (before TTL)
So I would say 27.5k or less is a decent deal.

I actually don't care too much for a sunroof. This is the car I wanted (or the dark grey) so I am cool with that, just wish it had factory bluetooth, but if it is easily added then nbd.
If they come down to Dan's price, I will pick it up next week.
Trying to figure out what the GMS memo is......is that the employee price?

Memo is a taxed amount that is added then taken off the GMS price.

good trade allowance IMO. 2005 TL. It is not a red interior, although I think that would look very sharp with either the silver or dark grey.

Then GO FOR IT!!

The window is closing fast on getting a new one. This is truly a case of "snooze you lose". I bought mine from the dealer used with 4800 miles (like new) on it for 26K. A new one for a couple grand more is a good deal at this point in time. I don't expect to see them discounted heavily to get rid of the last ones, and you will love the power and handling compared to the FWD drive TL. Just don't expect the same level of refinement or you'll be disappointed. The G8 GT is a beast of a car and didn't exactly strive for the same things Acura did/does...but that small lack of refinement is what makes it a classic American muscle car. It is light years ahead of the older muscle cars in terms of comfort and handling...but it still has a little "rawness" that suits its mission to a "T" and makes it so satisfying to drive.

Good luck and a hopeful "Congrats" on your purchase today ;)

good trade allowance IMO. 2005 TL. It is not a red interior, although I think that would look very sharp with either the silver or dark grey.

The red/black combo does look good with the silver or grey.... not sure if you will be able to find a dark grey one anymore though. I know there was only 1 within 500 miles when I looked for mine a few months back.

worst case scenario you can probably easily find a white one w/ red & black int. Just a thought....

Did we ever get an answer on what a "GMS Memo" is?

Thanks,

DJ LPM

My 2 cents. I test drove a TL Type S '08 just prior to my purchase of a G8 GT. Nice car but edge to the g8. Feel, handling, comfort SAME. Acceleration all G8. Doodads favor type S( Sillynesss like BT, GPS). Space interior and trunk G8 wins. Prestige Acura. Almost 10k diff MSRP have to spend it wisely on the G8. I love my G* GT 3500 miles into ownership. Great Car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I paid $25K+TTL for a new SBM with premium+roof back in March. Mine only had 5 miles on it and stickered for $33.8K. I'd shoot for $26K since the one you're looking at has the sport package. But with 550 miles of test drives IDK.

GMS = employee pricing

Supply and demand is not working in your favor. If you want the car, and are comfortable with the trade-in value, I'd pull the trigger...

well supply isn't in his favor- But...If there is such a huge demand, their wouldn't be a large gm rebate.

low supply doesn't automatically equal high demand.

Things can be white and not be rice

You can have peanuts with out it being peanut butter

You can have low supply and not have high demand.

Just because the words are used together, it doesn't mean that it has to be used together.

I only have one pair of toe nail clippers in my house (4 people)--- My supply is low.

but I never have to wait my turn to use them.. They seem to always be available when I need them.. (demand is low too)

Do you disagree with this basic premise?

The available supply of G8 GT's is decreasing. If you have your heart set on a particular color or set of options, the decreasing numbers will work against you.

There are $4000 in available incentives not because demand is low, but because GM is phasing out the Pontiac brand and wants the cars gone by the end of the year. There are between 3000 and 4000 G8's in total remaining - not sure how many are GT's versus V6 cars. Where I live, there are only 3 GT's in a 60 mile radius...

Do you disagree with this basic premise?

The available supply of G8 GT's is decreasing. If you have your heart set on a particular color or set of options, the decreasing numbers will work against you.

There are $4000 in available incentives not because demand is low, but because GM is phasing out the Pontiac brand and wants the cars gone by the end of the year. There are between 3000 and 4000 G8's in total remaining - not sure how many are GT's versus V6 cars. Where I live, there are only 3 GT's in a 60 mile radius...


If your premise is that specifically all things in low supply = high demand. Then yes I completely disagree. That is simply wrong.

Just because it is harder to find (because of low supply) doesn't mean that the demand for that item is high. G8 GTs aren't being marked up many places if at all.

GM is offering rebates - because they feel it is NEEDED to help sell the cars by the end of the year. Otherwise they would take the profit of selling the car for MSRP or close to it. Why unnessarily put a rebate on a car? If the demand was "high" - GM/ and Dealers wouldn't need to do much wheelin' and dealin'.

Saying that prices will only go up because fewer are out their isn't nessarily true.
Are you willing to say the same things about G3s, G5s, and G6s.

Probably not-- you like the G8 I like the G8, That doesn't mean they would sell out at sticker. I wouldn't have paid 33K for my car. But I would pay 26K. And I did.

So yeah with the huge incentives they demand is alittle higher. Because it is just a good deal on a car for what it is... but overall the demand isn't that high for the G8 at MSRP.

If it was such a money making, demanding car, It would have survived the GM bankruptcy.

my $.02

Did I say prices would go up? No I did not.
But I said that, if you had your heart set on a SPECIFIC color with SPECIFIC options, do not wait or you WILL be disappointed.
They have been selling at >1000/month for a long time. There are how many left? I expect sales to decline monthly, as they have been, as:

a) people who wanted them, bought them
b) people who wanted specific colors/options, bought them
c) people who couldn't get specific colors/options, bought something else

Sure there will still likely be a handful left after the first of the year - I don't expect them to sell out by then - but they will sell, and it's pretty unlikely that incentives will increase (they have pretty much stayed the same for the past few months, no?)

his post seemed more about the price and less about the color.

So by you telling him supply + demand wasn't on his side, I could only surmise that you were warning him the price changing (out of his favor).

Supply is not working in his favor, as time goes on, I agree with that. But the demand seems to be lowering (proven by the fact that sales are on the decline)

This is the breakdown of numbers: Supplier price $32758.52
Less Rebate 4000.00 =
$28758.52
Trade [16000.00]=
$12758.52 + TTL + Payoff
This is what the dealer just emailed me. I hate the fact that it is an old one with no bluetooth. It is a non sunroof, silver, sport, premium.

I got the same deal in June with additional Dealer cash, USAA rebate, Credit Union Rebate and a $1000 dollar local discount for servicemembers. I then financed with the credit union low rate. You'll easily spend an extra $900-$1500 for the 2009.5 upgrades for the same equipment but only notice rear seat cup holders and bluetooth (there are other "less obvious" mechanical changes that are included in that premium cost also).

IOM, this 2009 is you best bet since its "your" color and and sunroof doesn't matter. Use the 2009 lower price to get the seat re-upholstered if you'd like. If the dealer gives you anything extra wiggle, you're golden.

I suppose its really bad news if a new GT is able to be sold for 23... or even 25.
wasn't bad news for me when i paid $24k brand new back in March for my GT :)

32k is supplier?


I could've sworn I got it less than that...I have the same options.

Remember, prices went up twice during the model year. My old-invoice $34,110 Sport/Premium/Roof GT went up to $34,990 and then $35,140...

I just got mine 09 GT MGM red/onxy build date of 07/08 I only got it cuz of the color the gray just looks wider and has a mean look to it.

I agree with the limited supply and high demand theory. Just because people got the G8 for cheap sometime in the past doesn't mean that those deals can be had now. I got a good deal on mine last November as well when it was not clear what would happen to GM/Pontiac/warranty, but would not expect to get the same price now.

Actually the used car marked is not helping out buyers at all. I just looked on Manheim, and it looks like a very small number of GTs have been sold on Manheim within the past month. They have been selling for high prices as well. About $4k above where they were last winter and spring.

would we be having this "supply demand argument" about A pontiac G3?

People fabricate this idea of high demand because we like the car (hense this being a G8 forum)

Possible JRC, but i think demand is higher for this car then it was even 6 months ago. Though i think some of it was a rush by people trying to nab one while they were still on the lots. But i think a larger part of it was that it was finally starting to trickle down into the mainstream that the G8 was one hell of a car and a bargin for what you got.

Consider it was the only car GM sold in the states this year that had positive growth in a horrible car market. If they kept making this car, I could of bet that within 2-4 years it would of been as common as a Charger is on the roads today.

Anyways, i bought my 09.5 GT sport red premium/sport USED back in July. 616 miles on it, it was a trade in for a GXP. 24,900 in St Louis. I consider it a hell of a deal. Unfortually its now got 13,000 miles on it..lol. Its been to New York City and back.

would we be having this "supply demand argument" about A pontiac G3?

People fabricate this idea of high demand because we like the car (hense this being a G8 forum)

As crazy as this sounds, the G3 had a high demand a couple months back because during the cash for clunkers we sold out of them. People still wanted them even though we had none. We tried to dealer trade for them but nobody would trade because of demand. I have not seen a G3 in a couple of months. People bought them because they didn't wanna be another person driving an Aveo.

Come on guys--
when you insert government hand outs- to boost sales to fabricate good economic news, when there is none ofcourse it will appear that a certain car is in high demand. that is hardly a true representation of low suppy/ high demand.

I just priced a base model G3 - Cars direct will sell you a G3 for $11853 ( MSRP 15055)
then you give someone 4500 hundred bucks for their broke down 1980's model Olds 88. (worth about 300 bucks)

you would be crazy not to buy a $15055 (MSRP) for $11853-$4500 = $7353 + TTL.

Banks determine what amount they will loan on a car based off of MSRP ( I know I have bought plenty of cars)

So with bascially putting down 50%+ ANY BANK WILL loan you money for this car, if you have any sort of employment history, and even with less than stellar credit.

So what is my point. THE ONLY REASON the G3 appeared to be in high demand, was because almost anyone could be approved. A High School senior with a part time job could get a dang loan for that amount ( after all 50% down)

PS - I have literally NEVER seen a G3 in person. I work and travel constantly- And travel between Lubbock TX< Midland TX, Odessa TX, Abilene TX, San Angelo TX, Brownwood TX, and the HUGE DFW area TX.

and I don't recall ever seeing a G3.

Possible JRC, but i think demand is higher for this car then it was even 6 months ago. Though i think some of it was a rush by people trying to nab one while they were still on the lots. But i think a larger part of it was that it was finally starting to trickle down into the mainstream that the G8 was one hell of a car and a bargin for what you got.

Consider it was the only car GM sold in the states this year that had positive growth in a horrible car market. If they kept making this car, I could of bet that within 2-4 years it would of been as common as a Charger is on the roads today.

Anyways, i bought my 09.5 GT sport red premium/sport USED back in July. 616 miles on it, it was a trade in for a GXP. 24,900 in St Louis. I consider it a hell of a deal. Unfortually its now got 13,000 miles on it..lol. Its been to New York City and back.


Actually sales have slowed from what others on this site has said. so it seems "demand" along with supply have both lowered--

-- I haven't researched the sales #s (sorry if I was ill informed)

Too bad Pontiac didn't have a 2-fer sale: buy a G8GT and get a free, or half-off G3. Use the G3 to go to/from work everyday, and save the G8GT for nice days, weekend drives, and aging gracefully!

JRC, sales have slowed down because supply its almost tapped out probably.

JRC, sales have slowed down because supply its almost tapped out probably.

whatever makes you feel better.

:)

Oh snap ( I happen to agree), but I have gotten post deleted for much less politically charged statements.

don't be suprised to be visited by the Post-Deleting Fairy in the near future.

Oh snap ( I happen to agree), but I have gotten post deleted for much less politically charged statements.
Really jrc1122? But I thought you didn't need to be baby sat. :confused:

don't be suprised to be visited by the Post-Deleting Fairy in the near future.
Not too many "Post-deleting Fairies" around, just us "Nazi mods".

Really jrc1122? But I thought you didn't need to be baby sat. :confused:


Not too many "Post-deleting Fairies" around, just us "Nazi mods".

Trust me I don't feel I need one, but that doesn't negate the fact that we are treated like children in many respects. lol.

-- I am just warning the guy. that's all.

People are treated like children here sometimes because they act like children. Even sponsors act like children at times. I can PM you some examples if you'd like. That's the way it goes at popular discussion forums, nothing earth-shattering in that regard. :)

Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled program: Supply vs demand and all that good stuff...

32k is supplier?


I could've sworn I got it less than that...I have the same options.

Late to the party but yep - that is about where my started with the supplier pricing. As others noted a couple of price increases in there funkified the math.