Thought I'd just start a new thread on this since I haven't seen one yet. The specs i found put both cars running a 5.3 0-60 in an automatic transmission (although Car and Driver's latest issue apparently put the G8 GT at a 5.2 0-60 - a Mustang GT in a stick is rated at 5.1 0-60). The g8 gt runs a 13.8 quarter mile at 102.8 mph and the mustang gt runs a 13.9 quarter mile at 104 mph (in a stick, can't find quarter mile numbers for auto transmission - I assume it would be a hair slower).

Anyone had a chance to take on a Mustang GT yet?

Where could i find info on what what happen after 100mph? My gut feeling is that the G8 GT should pull away from the Mustang GT after 100mph - i think both top out at about 140mph. Anyone know for sure?

Edit: Documented evidence that a G8 GT (w/tune) runs a 13.12 quarter mile at 106.65 MPH. Guy who posted the video claims a 13.39 stock run before the tune.
Link: http://jalopnik.com/375060/pontiac-g8-gt-stock-runs-13+second-quarter+mile-are-those-paper-plates

Thought I'd just start a new thread on this since I haven't seen one yet. The specs i found put both cars running a 5.3 0-60 in an automatic transmission (although Car and Driver's latest issue apparently put the G8 GT at a 5.2 0-60 - a Mustang GT in a stick is rated at 5.1 0-60). The g8 gt runs a 13.8 quarter mile at 102.8 mph and the mustang gt runs a 13.9 quarter mile at 104 mph (in a stick, can't find quarter mile numbers for auto transmission - I assume it would be a hair slower).

Anyone had a chance to take on a Mustang GT yet?

Where could i find info on what what happen after 100mph? My gut feeling is that the G8 GT should pull away from the Mustang GT after 100mph - i think both top out at about 140mph. Anyone know for sure?

Don't know about what happens above 100 between the G8 and Mustang but I do know I've embarrassed a couple of the latest model Mustang GT's around here from stop light to stop light.:gears:

They're close enough that it comes down to driver.

at the drags I ran against both the newest model Gt and the prev. model. all had aftermarket exhaust and K&N filters / CAI's. The G8 took them both. I was runnin 13.5 @ 104.8 (stock), they were going 13.8-14.0 at around 102.

at the drags I ran against both the newest model Gt and the prev. model. all had aftermarket exhaust and K&N filters / CAI's. The G8 took them both. I was runnin 13.5 @ 104.8 (stock), they were going 13.8-14.0 at around 102.

We have a lot better grip. Driving with that solid rear axle actually takes some skill to get to stick. So basically it comes down to the driver, but you take the same average Joe non professional racer off the street and he will be able to get better times in the G8 than in the Mustang.

it's weird though, my car really shouldn't have trapped at nearly 105 with my fat ass in it. I thought the car weighed over 3900 lbs without driver, and I'm 245 lbs. most ET and MPH calculators would put the car at under 100 mph. based on 4150 lbs and 300 RWHP. I don't know what the DA was when I ran, but it was a cool day- about 45-50 degrees outside.

I know that the calculators are "generic", but they were generally +/-1 mph to the actual numbers I'd run with my LS1 camaro.

I don't know if it's due to the gearing on the G8, or just that the motor makes more torque than is typical of a 360 hp engine?

Well, you've got the advantage of a low first gear, an independent rear suspension and limited slip, and traction control, with gobs of torque.

I am very impressed with the way this car comes off the line.

Thought I'd just start a new thread on this since I haven't seen one yet. The specs i found put both cars running a 5.3 0-60 in an automatic transmission (although Car and Driver's latest issue apparently put the G8 GT at a 5.2 0-60 - a Mustang GT in a stick is rated at 5.1 0-60). The g8 gt runs a 13.8 quarter mile at 102.8 mph and the mustang gt runs a 13.9 quarter mile at 104 mph (in a stick, can't find quarter mile numbers for auto transmission - I assume it would be a hair slower).

Anyone had a chance to take on a Mustang GT yet?

Where could i find info on what what happen after 100mph? My gut feeling is that the G8 GT should pull away from the Mustang GT after 100mph - i think both top out at about 140mph. Anyone know for sure?

I've owned an 03 GT 5spd and a 06 GT Auto both stock. I ran both around 110/115 on the interstate and I can tell you after a 100 mph the 06's handling felt squirley where as the 03 didn't. The 06 could easily run on up to the limiter, the 03 seemed like it was running out of breath before it got there.

For what its worth the auto GTO will beat the 6pd in the 1/4 mile. I hope the G8 has cured the wheel hop problem that the GTOs are known for. The Pedders upgrade products help the Holden built cars a lot. If they ever have a 6spd G8 I hope the shifter has been improved also.

I'm going to race my buddy in his 2007 Mustang GT A5 with a Diablo Sport tune and full exhaust (long tubes, hiflo cats, catback SLP Loud Mouth 2. It's gonna be close. When it happens I'll be sure to tell. Wish me luck! :)

I'm going to race my buddy in his 2007 Mustang GT A5 with a Diablo Sport tune and full exhaust (long tubes, hiflo cats, catback SLP Loud Mouth 2. It's gonna be close. When it happens I'll be sure to tell. Wish me luck! :)

Don't take this the wrong way, but my guess is you'll lose unless your modified or he is sleeping. Long tubes and full exhaust add about 30 rwhp to those cars. Now if you did the same to the G8...:gears:

-dak- that's what I'm thinking. :(

Well, you've got the advantage of a low first gear, an independent rear suspension and limited slip, and traction control, with gobs of torque.

I am very impressed with the way this car comes off the line.

I've never heard or personally experienced that an IRS equipped car is better at the drag strip than car equipped with a solid rear axle like the mustang. Oh, and the Mustang GTs have come with Ford's very stout 8.8 inch rear end with limited slip for at least the last two generations.

Traction control also came with the last two gen mustang Gts, although I always turned it off at the drag strip. I will also be turning it off when I drag the G8. With the sports package, I will agree with you that the car does come of the line very well with those very sticky Bridgstone tires.

I had a bolt-on 2001 Mustang GT 5-speed w/ 4.10s. That car was far quicker off the line than the G8 due to the 4.10s, but at speed I can already tell the G8 is quicker. I ran a best 13.69 with the mustang in good air and good track prep with Nitto DRs - with a very average 2.03 60' time. With the stangs, it's a little tricky getting a good launch due to the weight distribution and weight transfer. If you get good at it and can powershift, you can run mid-13's with a bolt-on mustang GT given good track conditions and air. Over 45 drag passes, my mustang was really more like a 13.8-13.9 car with only occassional dips below 13.8. It sounds like the G8 GT will pretty easily click off a consistent 13.8 with decent conditions. The automatic really helps there.

My brother has a 2007 mustang GT and it feels much like the G8 GT to me - a tad slow off the throttle tip in then pretty good after you get past the initial launch. His car has 3.55s (optional gear.) It also axle hops with the stock tires - something that really wasn't much of a problem with the last gen solid rear 8.8 equipped stangs. Many, many of these 2005+ mustang GTs are running 13.4-13.6s with sticky tires and moderate bolt-ons.

Like someone already said, at the drag strip the G8 v. mustang GT will come down to the driver - the mustang driver, actually (if it's a manual trans.) If it's a pretty stock auto-equipped last gen stang, the G8 should beat it. A good driver with a bolt-on last gen 5-speed stang should beat the stock G8 GT.

I recently received word that a guy in town with a late model blown Mach1 wants to run me just to see what the car has. I will do it for fun, but fully expecting to be blown away. But just for fun, we will see what happens. :)

Since no one else has mentioned it, I wouldn't recommend running up to top speed against a Mustang GT unless you have a tune at least. The G8 cuts fuel at 137mph, the GT doesn't hit its limiter till 155. It'd be really embarrasing to beat it all the way up to the top only to get blown away as he keeps accellerating while you can't.

Of course, if you manage to get both cars to the limiters without getting caught, you're pretty damn lucky.

Automatic cars on average, unless it's an exotic or Vette, will run at least half a sec slower or more, than their manual counter parts with very good drivers in each car, that's just a given. For instance: Professionals Drivers figures: GTO A4's, Stock run 0-60 in 5.7 sec. The M6 version with a really good driver will do 4.9 sec. A new mustang Gt automatic runs 0-60 in 5.9 sec and the stick is in the 5.3 range. (the mags use PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS) Most really good street jockies will be about 3-4tenths slower. I've used students and their cars and really good drivers plus computer 5th wheels equipment and a dash hawk in an area of 65* weather with a DA of 500' and 30% humidity. In My M6 06' GTO, when it was stock was ran against my buddy and his new 2007 Must GT A5 and he took my off the line but by 20 mph I was even and by 65 mph I was more than 1.5 cars on him and by 100 mph I was 5 cars on him. his car trapped 14.5 sec at 99 mph. My GTO trapped, 13.7 at 107mph with 400 miles on the odo, both cars stock so you can see there's a real difference. If you live near ATCO and such take half a second off these times and add 3-4 mph to the trap speeds.

Automatic cars on average, unless it's an exotic or Vette, will run at least half a sec slower or more, than their manual counter parts with very good drivers in each car, that's just a given.

That's a pretty bold statement. A half second is a lot.

If this thread is about anything other than performance once you sit in the two cars you will not have any doubts about not wanting the Mustang.

Automatic cars on average, unless it's an exotic or Vette, will run at least half a sec slower or more, than their manual counter parts with very good drivers in each car, that's just a given.

Gotta call :bs: on this post.

From ls1gto.com http://ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205352



LS2 Modified - Bolt Ons / Tune Only: (must retain unmodified factory designated cylinder heads (no porting) camshaft and short block plus any other mod in Super Stock), Last Updated: 02/10/2008

1) A4, Flashover 11.909 @ 113.43 1.644 60', LPE CAI, X pipe, cutouts, ARH 1 7/8 LT, 3200 vig,hpe
2) M6, speedshifter 11.95@112 1.707 60', kooks 1 7/8, borla, K&N CAI, ported tb, UDP
3) A4, MacDogg 11.966@114.25 1.755 60' LPE CAI, kooks,Vigilante 3200, Ported Intake/TB,Tune
4) A4, Mrs Bluhaven, 12.065@111.77 1.652 60, Kooks LTs,2800 TC,UDP,3.73's,ported TB,Magnaflow CB
5) A4, Old_Goat 12.126@110.61 1.683 60', CAI,X pipe,cutout,ARH LTs,3200 vig,HPE tune, Retired (7/07)
6) A4, andrewzpsu, 12.168@113.52 1.784 60' Pace LT's, Tune
7) A4, Caveman 12.173 @ 111.59 1.687 60' Kooks catted, X pipe-stock mufflers, LPE cai, Fuddle 3000
8) M6, woodnutz 12.19@114.11 1.771 60' Kooks LT's, Spintech Catback, LPE CAI, Ported Intake
9) A4, powershiftkung, 12.28@110.7 1.65 60' SW LTs, CB, 3200tc, Pulley, K&N CAI, TTP Tune
10) A4, Bluhaven, 12.294@107.34 1.621 60', Kooks LTs, 2800TC, 3.73's, Tune

Looks to me that only 2 out of 10 cars had a M6.

You sound like some guy on ls1gto.com named catagory5 that came off as an A4 hater.

My little ole car only had 375 RWHP (stock heads and cam) and never got beat (after the mods) by any M6 GTO, even those with 425 or so RWHP, except the one time a cammed out M6 got me off the light. I got him back later that night.

In the 2005 GTO brochure the auto was at 13.0 while the M6 was at 13.1.

That's a pretty bold statement. A half second is a lot.


:mswerd: A half second is a lot!

I think you need to be real careful with your generalizations.

I've never heard or personally experienced that an IRS equipped car is better at the drag strip than car equipped with a solid rear axle like the mustang. Oh, and the Mustang GTs have come with Ford's very stout 8.8 inch rear end with limited slip for at least the last two generations.
Right, I hear you.

I owned a 1989 Mustang GT with a 5-speed. Even with upgraded suspension (KBR K-brace, subframe connectors, and strut tower brace, and Monroe GPZ struts and shocks) the car was prone to occasional axle tramp even though it had a limited slip. There was just a lot of suspension slop in the rear end of those things, and I assumed that Ford hadn't done much in the intervening years to fix it.

Going back to the original topic, a friend of mine with an 05 Stang GT with a 5spd manual, intake, exhaust, and a few other bolt-ons, and heavy 20" wheels, said he recently got beat by a G8 in a spontaneous race on the interstate. I'll be interested to see what happens when we line up for a fair race.

Going back to the original topic, a friend of mine with an 05 Stang GT with a 5spd manual, intake, exhaust, and a few other bolt-ons, and heavy 20" wheels, said he recently got beat by a G8 in a spontaneous race on the interstate. I'll be interested to see what happens when we line up for a fair race.

I had a '06 Mustang GT 5spd and 0-60 & 1/4 mile #'s are exact.
The thing about the G8 is that its sooo smooth and quite, that feels slower.

Once I get a CAI, exhaust, & tune. I can't wait to run a stang.

I hate to put this up here considering it's a mustang vs G8 thread but I didn't want to post this as a new topic.... I raced my uncles 00 Camaro Z28. I was about 700-800 miles from new so hopefully broken in enough... Anyway, the results where that I whomped him off the line because of the great launch and traction I had. But after that he caught up pretty quickly, I was about a half car length behind until the speed limiter kicked in then well he ended up almost a half mile in front of me. Overall a great race but I didn't win... which I think ain't bad for a four door!!

first of all was your uncle's car stick or auto? Modified or stock?

It was auto with I think just an intake... nothing too special

Could be really interesting to see what would happen if you installed the roto-fab CAI w/VMS tune (the tune removes the electronic governor - and adds many other benefits).

Could be really interesting to see what would happen if you installed the roto-fab CAI w/VMS tune (the tune removes the electronic governor - and adds many other benefits).

Not quite.

My car STILL cuts out at 137-138mph. :(

VMS said they deactivated the top speed governor, but there must be another one buried in the programing. They said they are trying to find the problem.

Not quite.

My car STILL cuts out at 137-138mph. :(

VMS said they deactivated the top speed governor, but there must be another one buried in the programing. They said they are trying to find the problem.

Huh... i just asked kirk last week and he said the tune removed the governor. Well, maybe they'll have it completely removed before i go back in for the Roto-Fab install. I haven't had a chance to touch 130-140 yet, top speed i've hit is around 110. And i had NO CLUE i was going that fast. I was about to be sideswipped by a truck in the middle lane on the highway and there was a guy coming up fast on my left, so i switched it into Sport Mode and slammed on the gas. I passed the truck and when I looked down, the speedometer was just a shade under 110! Oops...

130mph is buttery smooth!

I'm hoping to go to Vector Motorsports this Saturday 5/10, so I can get the Awesome VMS Tune & Roto Fab CAI...

I'm looking forward to these mods & car becoming quicker / faster......



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My wife and I purchased both an '08 Mustang GT 5-Speed w/3.55 gears (hers) and the '08 G8 GT the same day. She couldn't drive a stick so it was mine for a week and even on occassion my keys find a spot in her hands which left/leaves me with the Mustang. Though it is a blast to drive on our curvey roads, it just doesn't feel nearly as quick or as fast as my G8 GT. Especially higher up in the MPH range.

Anyone had a chance to take on a Mustang GT yet?


G8 is faster. Ask me how I know.

130mph is buttery smooth!



138 is just as smooth. I was VERY surprised at how well this car handles this kind of speed. Its almost disappointing how fast the car gets to 138 and just stays there... Also, the brakes are WELL suited to high speeds as well. I was concerned, because at lower speeds, the pedal feels soft. At high speeds, the pedal feels the same, but the car just stops... I guess its just something we have to deal with, with owning a GM vehicle.

G8 is faster. Ask me how I know.

how do you know?

Come on then how do you no?

how do you know?

Magic... LOL

I can benchmark the car pretty well against other cars, as I have friends who have every order of vehicle.

So far, an 07 stick and an 08 auto. Faster then both, but it was a pretty close battle. The G8 seems to like the top end, which I wasn't expecting against a stang.

130mph is buttery smooth!

I'm hoping to go to Vector Motorsports this Saturday 5/10, so I can get the Awesome VMS Tune & Roto Fab CAI...

I'm looking forward to these mods & car becoming quicker / faster......



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Unless you already have an appointment, you're gonna have to wait till next week. I just called kirk, he said to call monday to set up an appointment.

Huh... i just asked kirk last week and he said the tune removed the governor. Well, maybe they'll have it completely removed before i go back in for the Roto-Fab install. I haven't had a chance to touch 130-140 yet, top speed i've hit is around 110. And i had NO CLUE i was going that fast. I was about to be sideswipped by a truck in the middle lane on the highway and there was a guy coming up fast on my left, so i switched it into Sport Mode and slammed on the gas. I passed the truck and when I looked down, the speedometer was just a shade under 110! Oops...

Well maybe they have it now. Hopefully when I get the TCM tune, they can remove the top speed limiter.

Magic... LOL

I can benchmark the car pretty well against other cars, as I have friends who have every order of vehicle.

So far, an 07 stick and an 08 auto. Faster then both, but it was a pretty close battle. The G8 seems to like the top end, which I wasn't expecting against a stang.

well, the mustang does have some pretty bad aerodynamics.

With GT mustangs putting down 270ish rwhp @ 3550 lbs (and bad aero) vs. 300ish @ 4000 lbs from the G8 and with better gearing, they are gonna be very close.

Magic... LOL

I can benchmark the car pretty well against other cars, as I have friends who have every order of vehicle.

So far, an 07 stick and an 08 auto. Faster then both, but it was a pretty close battle. The G8 seems to like the top end, which I wasn't expecting against a stang.

the stangs always had crappy high end!!! I used to lose off the line in my GTP but walked them easy from 70+....thats 3 different gen's too

My wife and I purchased both an '08 Mustang GT 5-Speed w/3.55 gears (hers) and the '08 G8 GT the same day. She couldn't drive a stick so it was mine for a week and even on occassion my keys find a spot in her hands which left/leaves me with the Mustang. Though it is a blast to drive on our curvey roads, it just doesn't feel nearly as quick or as fast as my G8 GT. Especially higher up in the MPH range.

Wow - that was some day! :driving:

Yeah my friend has an 07 gt with exhaust, CAI and a tune. We raced from a 40 roll and I say he pulled about a good car 1 1/2 cars on me. Wait till i drop my intake and exhaust in dont even get me started with a tune lol :)

stock for stock, you guys should be able to beat a Mustang GT auto. id watch out agianst a 5 speed with a real good driver though. i know you guys will beat me in my 07 GT when it was stock. but from waht ive seen in most reported 1/4 times from you guys and seeing a G8 GT at the track two weeks ago. with my 93 tune in, a stock G8 GT shouldnt be any problem for me. unless the car is a factory freak. id watch out for 05+ with just a CAI and tune, specially if its a JLT and SCT combo. knocked more then half second of my et

agreed...stock for stock the G8 should walk an auto, and be very close to a stick car...the 05+ GT's make very similar power to the 01 cobras i've had (2)...add exhaust, intake, and tune, the mustangs (at least mine, newer GT's should be similar) will be around 330 rwhp, and it will take some bolt on's and tune for the G8 to hang...

ill give you guys this warning lol, the 3V GTs respond incredibly well to a CAI and tune. CAI require tunes on the 05+ cars so the yield huge gains. average gain is around 30 RWP from a CAI and Tune on the 05+

ill give you guys this warning lol, the 3V GTs respond incredibly well to a CAI and tune. CAI require tunes on the 05+ cars so the yield huge gains. average gain is around 30 RWP from a CAI and Tune on the 05+

I put a C&L CAI & tune on my 06 Stang and 30rwhp is a true gain w/93. I notice a hugh difference out of the hole and the peddle was very responsive.

1056

ps this may seem like a dumb ? but, how do you post a pic in the window?

I put a C&L CAI & tune on my 06 Stang and 30rwhp is a true gain w/93. I notice a hugh difference out of the hole and the peddle was very responsive.

1056

ps this may seem like a dumb ? but, how do you post a pic in the window?

yeah most of that gain is the extra timing that 93 octane allows you to run...

I raced a friends 08 GT 5 sp and lost. He has a CAI, Cat backs, and a tune. Oh, and he can row a gear box faster than our G8 autos shift. I had a 200 LB passenger.

I was faster out of the hole but he would catch me and start to pull. My car only had 400 miles on it so it wasn't broke in. We only ran up to about 70, didn't feel like getting a ticket.

We'll meet again at the track.

Oh yeah. I had an 04 Mach 1 5SP and that thing ran great up to 150. It sure didn't handle great at those speeds (only did it once). I ran 13.5s at 104 with it 100% stock.

g8 gt > gt any day

Yeah so I got my roto fab intake installed today. So I had to test it on somebody lol lo and behold my friend in the stang shows up 07 manual tune exhaust intake. So we stop at a light from a dig I launch from 1500rpms pull about 1 1/2 cars on this guy. Im satisfied but he was starting to pull me in :(. Tune time:)

Did he really start pulling you in ??? .. I thought we could handle those GT Mustangs when we are stock !

Did he really start pulling you in ??? .. I thought we could handle those GT Mustangs when we are stock !

But the Mustang had mods (as mentioned). Exhaust, intake, and a tune gives the Mustang a nice increase in power.

Stock vs stock - its going to be a very close race, but I would think a G8 GT would be faster on the top end (80+ mph).


My experience with new Mustang GT's is that they are quite fast up to about 50 - 60mph, but after that, they start to fall behind rather quickly. But I drive a GTO.

Yeah he started pulling me in, suprised the hell outta me since stangs have the aerodynamics of a brick but oh well Ill get em eventually, otherwise my car club members in a modded m6 05 gto and a modded r/t magnum still put about 2 cars on me but thats soon to change :)

200lbs=.2, big huge difference maker. Never race w/ someone else in the car unless they have a pax too or you know your car is way faster. I guarantee you thats why he started to pull on you.

On that note, I've never had a run in w/ a 05+ GT in over a year and a half. Maybe you guys will be luckier.... Had the chance but they never want to run. Then again, I can't get anybody to run me.....

200lbs=.2, big huge difference maker. Never race w/ someone else in the car unless they have a pax too or you know your car is way faster. I guarantee you thats why he started to pull on you.

On that note, I've never had a run in w/ a 05+ GT in over a year and a half. Maybe you guys will be luckier.... Had the chance but they never want to run. Then again, I can't get anybody to run me.....

At my local tracks you can usually wave someone past to line up with a car you want to run.

12s on your TBSS, very nice.

At my local tracks you can usually wave someone past to line up with a car you want to run.

12s on your TBSS, very nice.


I think I've spanked one or two at the track, not sure. I've beat 04 prior GT's at the track and one on the street. Never 05s though.... They're such proud owners, I just want to obliterate one!!! That would be hilarious!!!

Thanks. Its a 12.7X truck in decent air. Ill probably have it cammed before fall though so I should see low 12s out of it. I love the G8s, lookin at somethin sporty that doesn't kill me in mpg's. Not the time to get rid of the TBSS though.... Just gonna keep an eye on the G8s for now.

Wow 12s with a stock cam! Not to totally thread jump but can you give me a run down on your set up?

BTW my trip computer says I've averaged 16+ MPG for the last 600 or so miles. Not bad since we (the wife and I) hammer it every chance we get and it's been in triple digits many times.

My brother and I actually raced on the freeway today...he won the first time, but i won the second. It wasn't the best race ever becuz we were on the freeway and there was moderate traffic, but we got into the 130s. Its kind of hard to compare a G8 to a Mustang, really not in the class of vehicles. I am still waiting to get a hold of a charger :-)

My brother and I actually raced on the freeway today...he won the first time, but i won the second. It wasn't the best race ever becuz we were on the freeway and there was moderate traffic, but we got into the 130s. Its kind of hard to compare a G8 to a Mustang, really not in the class of vehicles. I am still waiting to get a hold of a charger :-)


It looks like you have 22's on yours? You know how much that kills you? What Charger? I'm hoping just an R/T, otherwise you're asking for a bad ass womping from an SRT-8.

Truck is just bolt ons.... 3000 stall, headers, UD pulley, efans, tune, intake. Word has gotten around my area about it and no one at any of the gtg's will run me from a dig....

I think he meant some type of forced induction, not a Charger R/T or SRT.

And agreed, rims be killin yer accelerations bro! :wink2:

Big heavy wheels = death to horsepower.

Big heavy wheels = death to horsepower.

Not to mention my lower back, shoulder, neck, teeth...:wink2:

My brother and I actually raced on the freeway today...he won the first time, but i won the second. It wasn't the best race ever becuz we were on the freeway and there was moderate traffic, but we got into the 130s. Its kind of hard to compare a G8 to a Mustang, really not in the class of vehicles. I am still waiting to get a hold of a charger :-)

130 mph in traffic...please stay away from my area...

It looks like you have 22's on yours? You know how much that kills you? What Charger? I'm hoping just an R/T, otherwise you're asking for a bad ass womping from an SRT-8.

Truck is just bolt ons.... 3000 stall, headers, UD pulley, efans, tune, intake. Word has gotten around my area about it and no one at any of the gtg's will run me from a dig....
why would i race and SRT8 charger? stock to stock a G8 GT can not beat a Mustang GT anyway...Its just fun to compete

Big heavy wheels = death to horsepower.
thats obvious that the rims are heavier...my brother has rims on his Mustang as well

130 mph in traffic...please stay away from my area...
Thats called advanced racing, only for men not boys

thats called being an idiot, and over confident. what would you have done if some one was nt paying attention and made a lane change into your lane, cutting you off?

why would i race and SRT8 charger? stock to stock a G8 GT can not beat a Mustang GT anyway...Its just fun to compete

not according to Road&Track.

thats called being an idiot, and over confident. what would you have done if some one was nt paying attention and made a lane change into your lane, cutting you off?


Exactly. It's not reasonable to expect the mother in the minivan merging into the outside lane to "expect" a car traveling at 130mph coming up from behind her.

Advanced racing? More like advanced idiot.

Dumb. Go to the track - that's what they are for. 130mph on the street is killing speed.

Thats called advanced racing, only for men not boys

tell that to the family of the mother and 2 kids you run into and kill...from your jail cell...

on most highways in a large city like detroit, 130 mph is TWICE the speed that most people will probably be driving...

not according to Road&Track.
Most magazines go by what they receive from the manufacturer. And those numbers that they get from there are from numerous testing and in best conditions possible. On the regular, you will never be able to achieve those numbers.

tell that to the family of the mother and 2 kids you run into and kill...from your jail cell...

on most highways in a large city like detroit, 130 mph is TWICE the speed that most people will probably be driving...
no matter if your doing 70 or 130 on the freeway your dead anyway....it doesnt take much for you to die in a car crash these days how cars are built.

thats called being an idiot, and over confident. what would you have done if some one was nt paying attention and made a lane change into your lane, cutting you off?
thats when i put it in the lords hands...if it was meant for me to go then im out if not i will still be here.

no matter if your doing 70 or 130 on the freeway your dead anyway....it doesnt take much for you to die in a car crash these days how cars are built.
how does it escape you that hitting someone at 130 when they are doing 65 is like hitting them when they're stationary and you're doing 65...if you were doing 70, then it would be like a 5mph hit...HUGE difference...
thats when i put it in the lords hands...if it was meant for me to go then im out if not i will still be here.
well let's just hope that the Lord doesn't see fit to let you take other people out with you...

how does it escape you that hitting someone at 130 when they are doing 65 is like hitting them when they're stationary and you're doing 65...if you were doing 70, then it would be like a 5mph hit...HUGE difference...

well let's just hope that the Lord doesn't see fit to let you take other people out with you...
dude, what the hell are u talking about...LOL. I understand why u have animosity towards me...your name explains it all

dude, what the hell are u talking about...LOL. I understand why u have animosity towards me...your name explains it all

right...because i'm jealous...yup you nailed it...:nuts:

no, my concern is that you will cause a deadly wreck and take someone's loved ones away from them...because you drive like an idiot...

picture this, you're doing 130 and rear end someone doing 65...this would have the same effect on you and your car as you just hitting a tree or a building at 65 mph....it has the same effect on the other car as if they were sitting still and you hit them doing 65 mph...get it? deadly consequences...

right...because i'm jealous...yup you nailed it...:nuts:

no, my concern is that you will cause a deadly wreck and take someone's loved ones away from them...because you drive like an idiot...

picture this, you're doing 130 and rear end someone doing 65...this would have the same effect on you and your car as you just hitting a tree or a building at 65 mph....it has the same effect on the other car as if they were sitting still and you hit them doing 65 mph...get it? deadly consequences...
dude, people die everyday...don't try to make me seem like that bad guy. Im sure you do things that put others lives in jeopardy just like everyone else. So i'll continue to be an idiot and drive my 361 hp G8 like its a G5 so I cant enjoy my purchase.

Keep on writing JGrand, you're really helping us make our point. It's been a while since I've communicated with someone as selfish and stupid as you. I find it quite amusing that you actually are trying to justify your position. Wow . . . truly amazing.

dude, people die everyday...don't try to make me seem like that bad guy. Im sure you do things that put others lives in jeopardy just like everyone else. So i'll continue to be an idiot and drive my 361 hp G8 like its a G5 so I cant enjoy my purchase.

He doesn't need to try to make you seem like that bad guy...you've accomplished that task quite handily.:slap:

As for the heavier rims, read up on the effects of heavier unsprung weight on performance. Cliff notes- it kills it.:rolleyes:

these cars get to 100++ really easily and even if there are'nt cars around... what if you hit a pot hole or some crap from the back of a truck????? You're dead mate.

even if you want to try a high speed, there should be no cars on the freeway period!!!

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As for the heavier rims, read up on the effects of heavier unsprung weight on performance. Cliff notes- it kills it.:rolleyes:

I think he knows that....
not to mention that negative effect on the handling and BRAKES at that speed. with those wheels i wouldnt trust 100MPH!!

How do they feel mate?? Can you notice a big difference at any speed?? (serious q, not making fun)

He sounds like a stupid young kid. BTW, someone needs to show him how to CC&P quotes so he isn't responding ten times in a row....

I have to agree, this is one of the stupidest arguement points I've ever seen as well. Ill go 130+, but not w/ any traffic on the road at all....

dude, people die everyday...don't try to make me seem like that bad guy. Im sure you do things that put others lives in jeopardy just like everyone else. So i'll continue to be an idiot and drive my 361 hp G8 like its a G5 so I cant enjoy my purchase.

Here is a reason to buy BMW.......

:damnyou:

Speaking of BMW:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Columns/articleId=124526

He sounds like a stupid young kid. BTW, someone needs to show him how to CC&P quotes so he isn't responding ten times in a row....



it's called multi-quote...LOL
right next to the regular quote button...so easy a child can do it...

Speaking of BMW:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Columns/articleId=124526

Thank you for posting this link. I wish I could somehow save this article along with the youtube videos and show my kids when they are closer to driving age (or passenger age, in fact.) Very heavy.

I don't care if your kid is the most contientious student, the greatest athlete, the most responsible kid you know . . .they don't belong in a high performance vehicle. It's just too tempting for any teenage boy to resist a street race when challenged. They belong in a modestly powered car with as many safety features as possible for their own protection and their passengers protection at the very least. I wish they made a Volvo V70 wagon with only two seats (ie, they could only have one passenger to distract them vs. a carload.) Maybe when my kids become of driving age I'll buy one and just rip the rear seats out!

Be safe and go to the drag strip! Headed there myself for the first time with the G8 this Friday.

He sounds like a stupid young kid. ....

He is. His public profile says he's 23. Makes all the sense in the world now, although I would have pegged his age at 17.

He sounds like a stupid young kid. BTW, someone needs to show him how to CC&P quotes so he isn't responding ten times in a row....

I have to agree, this is one of the stupidest arguement points I've ever seen as well. Ill go 130+, but not w/ any traffic on the road at all....

it's called multi-quote...LOL
right next to the regular quote button...so easy a child can do it...

Shoulda,
I had no idea what that was for until your post.

Thanks!

A 37 YEAR OLD CHILD.

:wink2:

Shoulda,
I had no idea what that was for until your post.

Thanks!

A 37 YEAR OLD CHILD.

:wink2:

no prob...i still learn everyday how computer illiterate i am when i talk to some of the younger engineers at work...and i'm 30...LOL

LMAO...you guys are so funny. All of you are haters first off. You all reference everything to my wheels. Becuz I have 22'' my car is 2 tons heavier, its takes 3000 more ft to stop. I went from 0-60 in 5.3 to 8.5....LOL. And thats right I am 23 years old, and you guys are old ass hell on a G8 forum, what does that say about you? When I'm in my 30s, 40s, or 50s I will not be driving a G8. Maybe you all should be on a Bentley, BMW, Benz, Audi, or even a Cadillac forum....And as far for the smart remarks, I'll be stupid because you guys are a bunch of cyber thugs who loves to reckless over the internet becuz they were bullied in school. So I understand this is you revenge and this gets through the day. This is your pay back for being picked on as a child....LMAO

Are you trying to be gangsta? Because I personally got a headache from trying to read whatever point you were trying to get across. One thing I did understand is the old person driving an "old" car. First off, you bought the car for looks, as evidenced by those horrendous wheels you put on there. Most of the guys got it because its a bad ass sedan that will move the hell out w/ a few mods. Your's will stay stock while you rock out gangsta style in it so low you probably can't see WTF is driving.... Speed never leaves the blood. I almost killed myself in my 01 Camaro back in Nov and swore off fast vehicles. Yea right...... Truck is faster than ever.

Play on Playa.....

I don’t think most folks here are haters, they are just really concerned about you bragging about racing @ 130 MPH on a busy freeway. I don’t care how old you are, I don't care what car you drive, and I don't care what wheels you have on it (I like your car). I just don’t want to read about you in the newspaper tomorrow. Seriously. Be cool and save the speed for the drag strip or the racetrack.

LMAO...you guys are so funny. All of you are haters first off. You all reference everything to my wheels. Becuz I have 22'' my car is 2 tons heavier, its takes 3000 more ft to stop. I went from 0-60 in 5.3 to 8.5....LOL. And thats right I am 23 years old, and you guys are old ass hell on a G8 forum, what does that say about you? When I'm in my 30s, 40s, or 50s I will not be driving a G8. Maybe you all should be on a Bentley, BMW, Benz, Audi, or even a Cadillac forum....And as far for the smart remarks, I'll be stupid because you guys are a bunch of cyber thugs who loves to reckless over the internet becuz they were bullied in school. So I understand this is you revenge and this gets through the day. This is your pay back for being picked on as a child....LMAO

wow...our school system is failing miserably...

yes, heavy ass 22" CHROME wheels are going to absolutely KILL acceleration and braking...rotational mass plays a huge role in how much power makes it to the ground...

and what's wrong with old guys being on a G8 forum? it's not like this car is a young person's car...it's a sedan...almost everyone that buys one is going to be older than you...

you should try removing that enormous chip from your shoulder if you think we're picking on you just to be bullies...it's sad if you can't realize that endangering other people and bragging about it is going to piss people off...

please grow up...at least to your age anyway...you're acting like a 16 year old...

I have to say, I myself being a "young" 26-years-old, that j_grand is unnecessarily putting everyone on the road at risk, and I would never want to be associated with him.

If you can't gather why all the people on this board are trying to get you to understand what incredibly stupid risks you are taking, then good riddance, and don't kill anyone other than yourself please.

Now, granted, at 26 I have probably seen and done more things than most will in their lives, I still am relatively inexperienced in other areas of life, and knowing that is what makes me humble. Looks like someone needs to force-feed you some humble pie yourself J.

All I do have to say is, that article about the BMW M5 is spot on, and though tragic, should be something that is used to teach young drivers for the ages.

Most magazines go by what they receive from the manufacturer. And those numbers that they get from there are from numerous testing and in best conditions possible. On the regular, you will never be able to achieve those numbers.

Ummmmmm. NO.

you fail.

Seriously, you think Road&Track gets their numbers from GM and just puts them in the magazine? What would be the point of that? Sorry bud but they do their own independent testing. That is the entire concept behind these mags. It's so exhausting trying to get through to morons sometimes. And kids like you are the reason early 20's males have such high insurance premiums.

I'm 27 and I know I don't know everything but obviously I am much more mature than you. And just because I am mature you think I should be hanging out on a Volvo forum or something? Get real kid.

When someone gets flamed every time they post a comment, that makes the other guys haters huh?

Saying someone is a hater is something idiots do when trying to find an excuse for not being liked.:judge:

LMAO...you guys are so funny. All of you are haters first off. You all reference everything to my wheels. Becuz I have 22'' my car is 2 tons heavier, its takes 3000 more ft to stop. I went from 0-60 in 5.3 to 8.5....LOL. And thats right I am 23 years old, and you guys are old ass hell on a G8 forum, what does that say about you? When I'm in my 30s, 40s, or 50s I will not be driving a G8. Maybe you all should be on a Bentley, BMW, Benz, Audi, or even a Cadillac forum....And as far for the smart remarks, I'll be stupid because you guys are a bunch of cyber thugs who loves to reckless over the internet becuz they were bullied in school. So I understand this is you revenge and this gets through the day. This is your pay back for being picked on as a child....LMAO

Seriously, kill yourself. Now.

Seriously, kill yourself. Now.

^^ totally agree. But u missed that he should go cry out loud for a bit!

LMAO...you guys are so funny. All of you are haters first off. You all reference everything to my wheels. Becuz I have 22'' my car is 2 tons heavier, its takes 3000 more ft to stop. I went from 0-60 in 5.3 to 8.5....LOL. And thats right I am 23 years old, and you guys are old ass hell on a G8 forum, what does that say about you? When I'm in my 30s, 40s, or 50s I will not be driving a G8. Maybe you all should be on a Bentley, BMW, Benz, Audi, or even a Cadillac forum....And as far for the smart remarks, I'll be stupid because you guys are a bunch of cyber thugs who loves to reckless over the internet becuz they were bullied in school. So I understand this is you revenge and this gets through the day. This is your pay back for being picked on as a child....LMAO

Like Ron White says...you can't fix stupid.:nonono:

At the rate you're going, you'll be lucky to be driving an electric wheelchair if you make it to your 30's. Hopefully none of your passengers or innocent bystanders end up riding in pine boxes.:judge:

J_Grand
Banned

That's the best thing I've read all day. :ohsnap1:

lol

That's the best thing I've read all day. :ohsnap1:

wow...didn't expect it to end like that...:judge:

....And as far for the smart remarks, I'll be stupid because you guys are a bunch of cyber thugs who loves to reckless over the internet becuz they were bullied in school. So I understand this is you revenge and this gets through the day. This is your pay back for being picked on as a child....LMAO

And people picking on you won't end until you decide to pay attention in English 101. It also seems like you are a psycology major. All of us were bullied. That's a pretty generalized statement. I wouldn't be surprised if some of us were bullies in school. Plus, if I want to take revenge on someone, I'll just run them car vs. car. I won't lie: I do still race on the street. It's stupid. I won't do it if traffic is around though. I can't control other cars or else I'd be filming action movies. But, when I race, it's over after I hit second gear. This even goes for most Mustangs, Corvettes, etc. Either I'm blowing their doors off or they're blowing mine off.

wow...our school system is failing miserably.....

For real. And, to make it worse, all of this text messaging is teaching young people even worse grammar. I still get lost on this forum when someone tries to speak a whole sentence with just the first letters.

I didn't even pay any attention to this thread until J_Dawg (or whatever he wants to be known as) posted in another thread. I saw "Banned" & wondered if he actually did something to earn it. Even if he can't post, he can still come on here & read what we say. So, he should be proud to be the first "member" (that I've seen) to be banned. :gr_jest:

G8 is faster. Ask me how I know.


How do you know?

I don't know if banning him was appropriate, but I'm sure it isn't going to affect anything.....

WOW! this thread certainly got off track.

I beat a mustang GT at the track yesterday. He ran a 14.4.

Two weeks ago, we put the same tune in a stock mustang GT and my G8. Iced, on a great track day, the G8 went a 13.08 and the mustang went a 13.21.

Now why does someone have to come along and make all the other 23 year olds on this forum look bad? Terrible.

Wifey and I will be heading out to the drags again this weekend. I'm thinking of inviting a couple of my Mustang buddies -- because I know theirs are stock. I also plan on getting all the info on the other cars that we do run up against just for reference's sake.

For the record, the driver can be a large part of the equation. I've seen more or less stock GTs of the previous generation (1999-2004) run faster than the supercharged Cobras (2003-2004). It's all subjective.

Maturity can't be measured with a number :)

Maturity can't be measured with a number :)

IQ can though! :wiggle:

if you are stock he will smoke you.

Truth. Just a tune and nothing else on a Mustang GT will get it up close to the 300 rwhp range, if not well into it. I personally saw a dead stock GT gain 40 at the wheels (from 267 -- underrated from the factory, natch -- to around 304) with absolutely nothing done at all other than an intake and tune.

Unless you've got a ton of mods on your side already, it won't even be close -- assuming the guy in the Mustang can't drive. Even if you both had the same kind of power the Mustang would win, having a 500-pound weight advantage.

^ Ja, but the driver weighs 450 and you only weigh 165.

well at the track on sunday, lots of mustang gt's were dialed in around 13.4 and maybe the most they had done was an intake. I think only 2 made it to the second round and after that they all lost lol. The mustang gt i raced was only a 14.4 and he dialed his in at 14.23 so he was way off. i think they think there cars are faster then they really are.

well at the track on sunday, lots of mustang gt's were dialed in around 13.4 and maybe the most they had done was an intake. I think only 2 made it to the second round and after that they all lost lol. The mustang gt i raced was only a 14.4 and he dialed his in at 14.23 so he was way off. i think they think there cars are faster then they really are.

They do right around 13.8 stock, and that's with a godly driver. I don't know who's been telling all these guys that they do any faster than that, because it doesn't happen. They are actually a good match for the G8 GT, if they are stock. But Mustangs rarely are.

if you are stock he will smoke you.

Truth. Just a tune and nothing else on a Mustang GT will get it up close to the 300 rwhp range, if not well into it. I personally saw a dead stock GT gain 40 at the wheels (from 267 -- underrated from the factory, natch -- to around 304) with absolutely nothing done at all other than an intake and tune.

Unless you've got a ton of mods on your side already, it won't even be close -- assuming the guy in the Mustang can't drive. Even if you both had the same kind of power the Mustang would win, having a 500-pound weight advantage.

Yeah I did race the Mustang twice with the same results. I held a nose in front of him untill halfway through second and he put 3 cars on me and it stayed like that up to 130. It was fun. She did good for a big car! Oh yeah he had Nitto drag radials, but the G8 rockets in first with stock tires! I don't race much at all, just wanted to see where she stands.

I recently received word that a guy in town with a late model blown Mach1 wants to run me just to see what the car has. I will do it for fun, but fully expecting to be blown away. But just for fun, we will see what happens. :)one of my good friends has a pro-charged Mach. i think he's got about 520 at the crank.

one of my good friends has a pro-charged Mach. i think he's got about 520 at the crank.

The guy blew his motor up before we got a chance to meet up. Broke a connecting rod I think is what the verdict was. Oh well. I guess I win by default. :)

well at the track on sunday, lots of mustang gt's were dialed in around 13.4 and maybe the most they had done was an intake. I think only 2 made it to the second round and after that they all lost lol. The mustang gt i raced was only a 14.4 and he dialed his in at 14.23 so he was way off. i think they think there cars are faster then they really are.


My buddy won the race. He was in the white Caprice. You see him?

Two weeks ago, we put the same tune in a stock mustang GT and my G8. Iced, on a great track day, the G8 went a 13.08 and the mustang went a 13.21.

that doesn't make any sense...how could you put the same tune on a ford and a gm car? and even if you're just talking timing and fuel curves were the same, why would you do that? each needs to be tailored to that particular vehicle...


For the record, the driver can be a large part of the equation. I've seen more or less stock GTs of the previous generation (1999-2004) run faster than the supercharged Cobras (2003-2004). It's all subjective.

someone certainly didn't know how to drive then if they got beat in a terminator by a "more or less stock GT"...consider this, 99-04 gt's trap around 100 with common bolt ons...the terminators trap 109-110 STOCK...how would that even be CLOSE?? LOL

someone certainly didn't know how to drive then if they got beat in a terminator by a "more or less stock GT"...consider this, 99-04 gt's trap around 100 with common bolt ons...the terminators trap 109-110 STOCK...how would that even be CLOSE?? LOL

Driver mod.

It's subjective.

Driver mod.

It's subjective.

man you are talking several BUSLENGTHS in the 1/4 mile...that would have to be one hell of a ****ty driver...

man you are talking several BUSLENGTHS in the 1/4 mile...that would have to be one hell of a ****ty driver...

I have seen more than one Terminator Cobra do absolutely nothing on the line but try to keep traction, and not very well at that.

They're only worth a damn at the drags with a solid axle swap.

They're only worth a damn at the drags with a solid axle swap.

tell that to the guys running 9's on the IRS...

I can also verify that stock terminator cobras easily run low 13's provided the driver has any IRS skills whatsoever. That being said, I saw a 1999 Vobra (vorteched 4V 4.6L) that made well over 350 rwhp run a 14.2 when I ran a 13.8 with my bolt-on n/a mustang GT simply because he had no idea how to launch the car properly. Admittedly, it was his first time out with his car (which he picked up used just 3 weeks prior.)

I can also verify that stock terminator cobras easily run low 13's provided the driver has any IRS skills whatsoever. That being said, I saw a 1999 Vobra (vorteched 4V 4.6L) that made well over 350 rwhp run a 14.2 when I ran a 13.8 with my bolt-on n/a mustang GT simply because he had no idea how to launch the car properly. Admittedly, it was his first time out with his car (which he picked up used just 3 weeks prior.)

a supercharged 99 that only made around 350 rwhp? my 01 cobra w/ just bolt ons and a tune was about 330 rwhp...

a supercharged 99 that only made around 350 rwhp? my 01 cobra w/ just bolt ons and a tune was about 330 rwhp...

Actually, I said "well over 350 rwhp" ;-)

I went to a dyno day with this guy and just can't remember what he pulled. I do remember it was very fat and need a tune really, really badly (lots of black smoke coming from the exhaust.)

I would love to see a IRS cobra break into the single digits. Ill have to ask my buddy about that one, never heard of that crap...

Why would you S/C a 99/01 Cobra. I'd go for the Termy anyday and just spend a grand and have over 400 to the wheels and a better fab lookin ride.

I would love to see a IRS cobra break into the single digits. Ill have to ask my buddy about that one, never heard of that crap...

Why would you S/C a 99/01 Cobra. I'd go for the Termy anyday and just spend a grand and have over 400 to the wheels and a better fab lookin ride.
to the best of my recollection, look for some guys from texas that went mid-9's in an 03 cobra w/ a KB blower, a little nitrous, gears and slicks...manual trans, and IRS...i saw it run a 9.9 at gateway in STL at world ford challenge several years ago...they weren't the only ones to run 9's on the IRS...

on the second issue...termy for 20K+, couple bolt ons, 425 or so rwhp...99/01 cobra (nice) for 13K or so, 6K kenne bell kit, looking at ~480-500 rwhp...plus the 99/01 is several hundred pounds lighter...

480-500 eh..... Plus all the supporting mods for another 3 grand....

If it was that simple, everybody would be doing it. I hate ford and I'm still dying to have a Termy....

480-500 eh..... Plus all the supporting mods for another 3 grand....

If it was that simple, everybody would be doing it. I hate ford and I'm still dying to have a Termy....

not 3 grand in supporting mods...the comes with everything you need (fuel, etc)...might need to beef up the halfshafts though...and that is not including forging the motor...

The questions of beating a Mstang Gt.... Well let me tell you not only was a Gt but had exhaust, and some other mods... but It had no chance..... SMOKED that Mstang.... It was awesome.

This 05 stang with sum teen last wed was telling his friends at the line he was going to "blow me away" I edged him out by ...um 14+ cars. :) ..his 16.1 to my 13.8

Those performance numbers are over inflated to help sell the brand, I klnow I've worked with two of those auto mags. Back in 2006 the pontiac web site in reference to the 2006 GTO had a section called Compare to the competition. In that article section they compared a Automatic of the 06' GTO, a 06' G35, 06' mustang GT and 06' BMW 330ci, all automatics and the fastest one to 60 mph was the GTO doing it in 5.7 sec and the quarter in 14.3 at 104mph, the mustang GT (same car as today) 0-60 on 6.1sec and the quarter in 14.6 at 98 mph and the BMW and infinity were both in the mid 6 sec range to 60 mph and 15 sec in quarter. Also, motortrend and car and driver tend to have the most overstated figures while road and track is more real world.
C6 automatic paddleshift vets ran 0-60 in 4.6 but trhe stick in pro hands could do the same in 4.3 and that same car in the quarter in auto form ran 13.4 at 109 mph while the stick did it in 12.8 at 111. same for the GTO's the stick ran to 60 in 4.7 the auto in 5.7 and the quarter for the auto GTO was 14.3 at 103-104 but the stick did it in 13.5 at 108.5mph. Take to stock cars, put two great drivers in those same cars but one with a stick and the other is a auto ( auto's are 60-110lbs heavier too) and I'll put my $$ on the stick any day. My 2000 Lexus GS 400 300hp V8 3800lb sedan runs 0-60 in 5.7 and I beat up new Mustang Gt automatics and auto gtos in it by about 5 feet to 70 mph but after that they'd catch and pass due to being higher in hp. Then I went and road tested a M6 GTO against my brother in my GS400 and I wooped on him with the M6 GTO, proving that the manual version is far faster stock for stock. (My Bro races professionally) My .02 worth

The G8 GT has a rather weak 2.92 axle ratio for such a big heavy car and in reality runs 0-60 in about 5.6 sec and quarters in 14.1 at 101-102 mph. The GXP will be about on par with the old GTO M6, about 4.8 sec to 60 and a quarter in 13.5 at around 106-107.

Troubling considering that dodge\chrysler are bumping the power up in the 5.7 from 350hp to 385-390hp and the SRT8 models are going from 420hp to 450+ hp. The G8 GT and GXP will get hurt palying with the regular 5.7 RT unless ponitac turns the hp fire up!!! Hello Pontiac Are you listening!!!

My wife asked to switch this week. So I am in the 2008 Mustink GT 5-Speed. It is soooooooooooooooooooo slow. Even she commented on how poorly her car performs after 2 days on splendor in the G8. This better just last a week!!!

That's the best thing I've read all day. :ohsnap1:

As I read through the thread I was thinking they should ban that idiot. Its scary to think we share the road with people of this low level of maturity. I'm only 25 and had my moments of stupidity and ended up crashing my Camaro SS into a concrete wall then had to drive a 4cyl Mazda for a while until I was able to get into the G8. That will teach you a lesson.
This guy will apparently have to learn his lesson too, hopefully he doesn't hurt anyone else in the process.

Thank you and good job to the site admin for banning this guy and keeping the integrity of this great site.