Has the GXP on the cover with the following line-

402hp*0-60 in 4.7 sec*under $40K


There is the typical crap mt article inside about it. Interesting line in the article about the possible price was that they say "charger srt8 39,218 base is a good starting point for an estimate. That includes a 2163 gas guzzler tax... Pontiac expects it will have to fork over a gas guzzler tax on the G8 GXP as well." If this info holds accurate it would mean that 2K+ of the total price for the GXP is actually a tax.

Has the GXP on the cover with the following line-

402hp*0-60 in 4.7 sec*under $40K

There is the typical crap mt article inside about it. Interesting line in the article about the possible price was that they say "charger srt8 39,218 base is a good starting point for an estimate. That includes a 2163 gas guzzler tax... Pontiac expects it will have to fork over a gas guzzler tax on the G8 GXP as well." If this info holds accurate it would mean that 2K+ of the total price for the GXP is actually a tax.


It will be interesting to see what the price and goodie package is. The Base price on the SRT8 is $36,400. Tack $2,100 on for GG tax, and add $$$ for the rest of options you want (Sunroof, Sirius, Sirius TV, DVD package, dual climate, Kicker system, etc...)

The Charger SRT8 is only offered in a 5 speed auto and is almost 4200 lbs. Not so good for gas mileage when coupled with 400+ hp.

Like the GTO 6speed, the manual GXP should be able to squeeze by the gas guzzler tax.

The Charger SRT8 is only offered in a 5 speed auto and is almost 4200 lbs. Not so good for gas mileage when coupled with 400+ hp.

Like the GTO 6speed, the manual GXP should be able to squeeze by the gas guzzler tax.

You will see that the GXP will weigh over 4100 lbs and pay a GG tax. No matter, most of us buying these 'Hi-Perf' cars aren't worried about a few bucks for gas or tax.

One thing to remember is:

There is not a single GGT amount...

"What is the Gas Guzzler Tax?

The Energy Tax Act of 1978 established a Gas Guzzler Tax on the sale of new model year vehicles whose fuel economy fails to meet certain statutory levels. The gas guzzler tax applies only to cars (not trucks) and is collected by the IRS.

The fuel economy figures used to determine the Gas Guzzler Tax are different from the fuel economy values provided on this web site and in the Fuel Economy Guide. The tax does not depend on your actual on-the-road mpg, which may be more or less than the EPA published value. The purpose of the Gas Guzzler Tax is to discourage the production and purchase of fuel inefficient vehicles. The amount of any applicable Gas Guzzler Tax paid by the manufacturer will be disclosed on the automobile's fuel economy label (the window sticker on new cars).
GAS GUZZLER TAX
Unadjusted MPG (combined)*

Tax
at least 22.5 No tax
at least 21.5, but less than 22.5 $1000
at least 20.5, but less than 21.5 $1300
at least 19.5, but less than 20.5 $1700
at least 18.5, but less than 19.5 $2100
at least 17.5, but less than 18.5 $2600
at least 16.5, but less than 17.5 $3000
at least 15.5, but less than 16.5 $3700
at least 14.5, but less than 15.5 $4500
at least 13.5, but less than 14.5 $5400
at least 12.5, but less than 13.5 $6400
less than 12.5 $7700"
- http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/info.shtml



The GXP may have a GGT - but may also not have one as large as the Dodge.

We shall see...
- Ray

One thing to remember is:

There is not a single GGT amount...

"What is the Gas Guzzler Tax?

The Energy Tax Act of 1978 established a Gas Guzzler Tax on the sale of new model year vehicles whose fuel economy fails to meet certain statutory levels. The gas guzzler tax applies only to cars (not trucks) and is collected by the IRS.

The fuel economy figures used to determine the Gas Guzzler Tax are different from the fuel economy values provided on this web site and in the Fuel Economy Guide. The tax does not depend on your actual on-the-road mpg, which may be more or less than the EPA published value. The purpose of the Gas Guzzler Tax is to discourage the production and purchase of fuel inefficient vehicles. The amount of any applicable Gas Guzzler Tax paid by the manufacturer will be disclosed on the automobile's fuel economy label (the window sticker on new cars).
GAS GUZZLER TAX
Unadjusted MPG (combined)*

Tax
at least 22.5 No tax
at least 21.5, but less than 22.5 $1000
at least 20.5, but less than 21.5 $1300
at least 19.5, but less than 20.5 $1700
at least 18.5, but less than 19.5 $2100
at least 17.5, but less than 18.5 $2600
at least 16.5, but less than 17.5 $3000
at least 15.5, but less than 16.5 $3700
at least 14.5, but less than 15.5 $4500
at least 13.5, but less than 14.5 $5400
at least 12.5, but less than 13.5 $6400
less than 12.5 $7700"
- http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/info.shtml



The GXP may have a GGT - but may also not have one as large as the Dodge.

We shall see...
- Ray

If I recall correctly, I think that the GTO A4's GGT was $1,300. The M6 got around it with the silly 1-4 shift restriction (which is on our gauge cluster). That was my first mod on my GTO.

The Charger SRT8 is only offered in a 5 speed auto and is almost 4200 lbs. Not so good for gas mileage when coupled with 400+ hp.

Like the GTO 6speed, the manual GXP should be able to squeeze by the gas guzzler tax.
The corvette and gto M6 have (had) not GGT. GM cars get great mileage. I am keeping my fingers crossed.

kewlv8- Those of us on the fence between the GT and GXP are worried. I hate pissing money away on a tax.

The corvette and gto M6 have (had) not GGT. GM cars get great mileage. I am keeping my fingers crossed.

kewlv8- Those of us on the fence between the GT and GXP are worried. I hate pissing money away on a tax.

Hopefully if there is a tax, it will be minimal. If I remember right, the CTS-V GG tax was $1300.00, and that car is 3,850 lbs with a 400hp LS2 and manual trans.

The corvette and gto M6 have (had) not GGT. GM cars get great mileage. I am keeping my fingers crossed.

kewlv8- Those of us on the fence between the GT and GXP are worried. I hate pissing money away on a tax.

I think it is going to be hard to avoid the GGT in the GXP. The G8 GT looks like it missed having a GGT by about .5 MPG on the combined numbers. Now, add slightly more displacement and power along with no DoD and a much tighter gear (3.73 w/M6). I guess I am wondering how deep into the GGT the GXP will go with either A6 or M6.

Chip

Hopefully if there is a tax, it will be minimal. If I remember right, the CTS-V GG tax was $1300.00, and that car is 3,850 lbs with a 400hp LS2 and manual trans.

I would guess we're hanging between $1300 and $1700. If the 2007 CTS-V had a .25 mpg increase on the combined number, it would have only had a $1000 GGT. The GXP probably weighs another 250 lbs.

Chip

I think it is going to be hard to avoid the GGT in the GXP. The G8 GT looks like it missed having a GGT by about .5 MPG on the combined numbers. Now, add slightly more displacement and power along with no DoD and a much tighter gear (3.73 w/M6). I guess I am wondering how deep into the GGT the GXP will go with either A6 or M6.

Chip

I totally agree!

The manual 6spd. would be closest to squeaking pass the gas tax. It suck ass to get hit with but just expect on paying it.

If the gas *******s don't stop artificially inflating fuel prices, by the time the GXP arrives the gas guzzler tax won't even matter. :mad:

4000+ lb car and 402 hp = 0-60 in about 5.3 sec. don't buy that Motortrend garbage.

4000+ lb car and 402 hp = 0-60 in about 5.3 sec. don't buy that Motortrend garbage.

The GT can do 5.3 to 60. I see the GXP doing at least 5.0.

Don't feed the troll people...

Don't feed the troll people...

i agree, every post that guy has made has been, in some form, degrading to the g8... interesting...:confused:

The guzzler tax is outrageous. Every day when I commute to work in Dallas, I am surrounded by trucks and SUVs, and the vast majority of them have no passengers. If you want to drive a 4wd truck because it sits up high and looks cool, or a Suburban because you choose to have 5 kids, no guzzler tax for you. But if you choose to drive a high-performance car, they hit you up for the guzz tax.

And this is after they take their taxes on every gallon. Oh well, enough preaching to the choir....

Thanks Ray for the GGT breakdown. I always wondered how that worked.

The guzzler tax is outrageous. Every day when I commute to work in Dallas, I am surrounded by trucks and SUVs, and the vast majority of them have no passengers. If you want to drive a 4wd truck because it sits up high and looks cool, or a Suburban because you choose to have 5 kids, no guzzler tax for you. But if you choose to drive a high-performance car, they hit you up for the guzz tax.

I hear ya'. I bitched and moaned about this years ago when the GTO was saddled with the GG tax. It's another stupid BS legislative law that actually punishes one group of drivers that get BETTER mileage than another. That's the government for you, a bunch of retards.

I should've brought it to post here but I went by the dealer today and they had a single sheet: On one side the GXP and on the other was the G8 UTE. I briefly looked at the GXP and it read 400HP/400TQ. Available by Fall 2008.... I got distracted with the GT in the showroom but dealer says they're expecting the GXP by November and SP also said he could've sworn that the price (albeit) apprx. $33k.

*Grain of salt on price*

DAMN! I wondered why my Veyron cost so much..... Gallons per mile is what I get.

RRM

DAMN! I wondered why my Veyron cost so much..... Gallons per mile is what I get.

RRM

Makes that Audi R8 look like an economy car. :gr_jest:

DAMN! I wondered why my Veyron cost so much..... Gallons per mile is what I get.

RRM

At WOT it'll empty the 26.4 gallon tank in less than 12 minutes.:eek2:

At WOT it'll empty the 26.4 gallon tank in less than 12 minutes.:eek2:

My '97 Seadoo GSX (110 hp) used 15 gal/hr at WOT, and it spent a lot of the time there. And it only weighed 400lbs.

This seems like a bargain....

The guzzler tax is outrageous. Every day when I commute to work in Dallas, I am surrounded by trucks and SUVs, and the vast majority of them have no passengers. If you want to drive a 4wd truck because it sits up high and looks cool, or a Suburban because you choose to have 5 kids, no guzzler tax for you. But if you choose to drive a high-performance car, they hit you up for the guzz tax.

And this is after they take their taxes on every gallon. Oh well, enough preaching to the choir....

I think you are looking at this wrong. At the time the law was passed (1978) pickups and SUVs were truly work vehicles. The ones driven for personal use were more basic and blue collar. The high end options were carpet, cloth seats, AM/FM/cassette radio, and A/C. The GGT really only impacted the more affluent. GM had a strict no car with a GGT policy. As cars became more compact and FWD, a number of folks still wanted the room and started adopting pickups and SUVs. Full size and V8 power was attractive. Four wheel drive was attractive in snow areas (much wider area than today).

Manufacturer's noticed the trend and started adding more car-like options. This broadened the appeal to a wider audience which caused an ever growing cycle in price, options, and power. On top of this, avoidance of the GGT tax was being exploited by everyone (manufacturers and purchasers alike). Frankly, all segments (cars and trucks) were able to add power and features while avoiding the GGT (either by classification or more sophisticated powertrains). Only recently, with the ever increasing safety standards and performance, has the GGT become an issue around passenger cars that average Americans might purchase. Again, a tax that at its origin really only impacted the affluent, has managed to trickle into the middle class.

Chip

Unfortunately things change in the world, and Congress isn't quite up to date on a lot of it. If the bill truly was envisioned to keep the exotics cars from getting away with guzzling our precious fossil fuels uncontrollably, it should be revisited to ensure that it does what it was supposed to do! Although I wonder, given the chance, how much they would screw around with it and make things worse than they already are for the enthusiasts and their vehicles, i.e., the G8 and its ilk.:dunno:

Unfortunately things change in the world, and Congress isn't quite up to date on a lot of it. If the bill truly was envisioned to keep the exotics cars from getting away with guzzling our precious fossil fuels uncontrollably, it should be revisited to ensure that it does what it was supposed to do! Although I wonder, given the chance, how much they would screw around with it and make things worse than they already are for the enthusiasts and their vehicles, i.e., the G8 and its ilk.:dunno:

Congress is out of touch. CAFE was meant to slow fuel consumption. The GGT was just a final jab at the rich, much like the luxury tax from a few years ago. Even 10 years after its passage, Congress was still not happy. Check this article out http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DE3D61038F931A15750C0A96E9482 60 .

I do fear they could do worse. Right now the GGT on "normal" vehicles probably constitute only 5% or less of the vehicle price. If they became really aggressive (as in the above article), it could be worth 20% of the vehicle price; basically the equivalent of legistating a G8/Charger vehicle out of existence.

Chip

If I remember correctly when I looked at the Charger Superbee, it's GGT tax was around $2700, and it was rated 13 MPG city/18 highway.