Hot off the presses, sales figures for May, 2008. (and June)

1831 G8's for month of May outselling Solstice!!!!! but down 305 from April. ($4 gas to blame?)

6270 total first 4 months
March 777
April 2126
May 1831
June 1536

Total 6270 to date


http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_files/irol/84/84530/sales_production/May08Deliveries.pdf

I see the V-6s selling better too, for just that reason; a big, loaded car, with a V-6.

So, with 4700 cars sold, that is like 1.4 cars per dealer sold since March 1 for West coast and April 1 for East coast, so about 2.5 months (based on about 3300 dealers) worth of sales. Not very good IMO for a brand new car.

Looks like only the posters on this site bought one.

Based on the numbers, it looks like only 22 to 24k cars per year

but down 305 from April. ($4 gas to blame?)

I doubt gas price, haven't they just run out of cars to sell?
No more until the 2009s arrive.

Also the reason they spend such little time on dealer lots. A lot were sold before they arrived and no more are sitting around.

And not bad sales figures when you have sold almost all your cars.

I doubt gas price, haven't they just run out of cars to sell?
No more until the 2009s arrive.



GMBuyPower still shows 50 G8 GTs within approx 75 miles of where I live – Northeast of Atlanta.

Several dealers within 25 miles have 3 or 4.

- Ray
Waiting for 2009 . . .

GMBuyPower still shows 50 G8 GTs within approx 75 miles of where I live – Northeast of Atlanta.

Several dealers within 25 miles have 3 or 4.

- Ray
Waiting for 2009 . . .

I have heard the G8 Radio commercial like 5 times already today on Rock 100.5 and a salesman I talked to 3 weeks ago called to see if I was still interested. I think the sales are kinda hurtin here in Atlanta area.

GMBuyPower still shows 50 G8 GTs within approx 75 miles of where I live – Northeast of Atlanta.

Several dealers within 25 miles have 3 or 4.

- Ray
Waiting for 2009 . . .
And a drive by confirms., Maybe some parts of the country have run out, but not here. And if we figured even close to correctly that around 8000 2008 G8s were shipped then only just over half are in customer hands.

I have heard the G8 Radio commercial like 5 times already today on Rock 100.5 and a salesman I talked to 3 weeks ago called to see if I was still interested. I think the sales are kinda hurtin here in Atlanta area.

A dealership here near Knoxville had one of the lot for at least 3 weeks. They had it last week, haven't been by there this week to see if it's sold. I'll be by there on Saturday.

Sales everywhere are hurting on cars unless it's an econo car. My dad traded his junky Equinox in a few weeks ago for an Impala SS. The salesman he dealt with is someone he's known for year. He told my dad they were not taking any trades on any SUV's because they can't sell them. Another salesman at another dealership told my wife's uncle the same thing the week before.

I guarantee you if I had to money to get a G8 right now, the sales people would bend over backwards to get me in one.

In Manassas, VA the dealer I bought from has 1 Red GT and two V6s (grey and white). The red was there when I bought mine on April 4th. They had an Orange one but traded it to a dealer in Richmond, VA so they could bring in the two V6 models.

Still two here at the dealership just down the road from me, one Red GT (with aftermarket chrome wheels which the dealership wants mega-bucks for) and a MGM V6.

May 1831



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That one is mine!:boink:

In Manassas, VA the dealer I bought from has 1 Red GT and two V6s (grey and white). The red was there when I bought mine on April 4th. They had an Orange one but traded it to a dealer in Richmond, VA so they could bring in the two V6 models.

If you do a search on the Pontiac website it shows that dealership has having a lot more G8s than that now. The Koons dealership in Tysons Corner has 7 GTs and 1 base model. I think they've had at least 5 of those GTs for several weeks now... I've been waiting on a 2009, but, frankly, if the $1000 loyalty rebate was still in effect I'd be tempted to buy an '08 now that we know the price increase on the '09... I wonder what sort of deals will be available on the '08s in the lot once the '09 vehicles start rolling off the truck?

id say the numbers are ok. not great for the brand new it car, but still good considering how gas and the economy is going

New Models Not Breaking Through in Tough Market

2008pontiacg8

We have a saying around here that new cars sell, meaning a new design or totally new model will usually draw in shoppers. Whether it’s thanks to a ridiculous amount of money spent on advertising, positive reviews in the press or just a head-turning man-on-the street reaction, these cars usually perform. However, some much-hyped new models are not selling well these days as Americans tighten their belts. Check out which models whose sales we found surprisingly lackluster for the month of May.

Pontiac G8: 1,832 units sold
Last year at this time, the outgoing and completely outdated Pontiac Grand Prix, which the G8 replaces, sold 12,230 units. Let’s just say for the sake of argument that half of those were fleet sales (which is probably on the high side). That would still mean it sold three times as well as the all-new, very-well-reviewed Pontiac G8. For the past few years, GM loyalists have begged GM to build this car, but now it seems these people aren’t willing to part with their cash for this large sedan. The V-8 version gets 15/24 mpg and the V-6 gets 17/25 mpg, both near the top in the segment, but still not attractive in $4-a-gallon-gas territory. That could be one issue.

New Models Not Breaking Through in Tough Market

2008pontiacg8

We have a saying around here that new cars sell, meaning a new design or totally new model will usually draw in shoppers. Whether it’s thanks to a ridiculous amount of money spent on advertising, positive reviews in the press or just a head-turning man-on-the street reaction, these cars usually perform. However, some much-hyped new models are not selling well these days as Americans tighten their belts. Check out which models whose sales we found surprisingly lackluster for the month of May.

Pontiac G8: 1,832 units sold
Last year at this time, the outgoing and completely outdated Pontiac Grand Prix, which the G8 replaces, sold 12,230 units. Let’s just say for the sake of argument that half of those were fleet sales (which is probably on the high side). That would still mean it sold three times as well as the all-new, very-well-reviewed Pontiac G8. For the past few years, GM loyalists have begged GM to build this car, but now it seems these people aren’t willing to part with their cash for this large sedan. The V-8 version gets 15/24 mpg and the V-6 gets 17/25 mpg, both near the top in the segment, but still not attractive in $4-a-gallon-gas territory. That could be one issue.

See, issue with this, is that the writer has flawed logic. He's only looking at cars sold, he is not taking into account cars shipped vs. cars sold.

If he had bothered to see how many G8s were even available for the month of May, that would color his view a little different. This should be reported as a percentage, I.E. 3000 cars shipped, ~1800 cars sold. That would give a better view, also, you would have to figure for the GP, cars built vs. cars sold.

AutoTrader says 56 G8s available in South Florida area.

yeah it's not just the G8 that isn't selling well...just about everything that doesn't average 30 mpg is not selling very well...

Not many for sale around here.

if you look at http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3022-autosales.html you would see that ALL Large Car Sales are down 32% from last year...that results from a 140 dollar barrel of oil and a weak-ass american dollar. The ONLY vehicle sales that are UP are that of small compact cars, and crossover SUVs. Pontiac has sold something like 85% of all G8s produced, thats the number that should compare

Who hoo! I was one of those in MAY!

It's the gas prices. PLus my dealer was sold out:(

Palm Beach has quite a few on the lot but they came in the last couple weeks. When I bought mine there were only two in the area (the other was red) and they sold that one shortly afterward. Then the V6's hit - we've got two people we work with interested, but gas is holding them back so we ran a true cost to own on them - they're both still stressing.

The dealer really wanted my 04' Vibe, met my trade price for it, probably sold it already. It was getting looked at before the paperwork was done. Around here if the gas price doesn't bother you, you drive a 100k car.

I went by to check out a GT at Century in Tampa 2 weeks ago and they told me 5k over sticker.
I got back in my GTO and drove away.
Funny, a dealer did the exact same thing back in early 04 when I first shopped the gto, and I went back 10 months later and got mine 5k OFF sticker.

They never learn....

There is a lot of flawed logic and misinformation in this thread.

Online numbers from gmbuypower, Pontiac's website, and especially sites like autotrader are not an accurate representation of what is out there. If you check, you will find a lot of the cars listed are no longer available.




Last year at this time, the outgoing and completely outdated Pontiac Grand Prix, which the G8 replaces, sold 12,230 units. Let’s just say for the sake of argument that half of those were fleet sales (which is probably on the high side).

That estimate is actually REALLY LOW not high. Fleet sales for the Grand Prix accounted for nearly 80% of the 2007 sales.

http://carsandtech.wordpress.com/category/grand-prix/

Last year at this time, the outgoing and completely outdated Pontiac Grand Prix, which the G8 replaces, sold 12,230 units.

I checked out this figure also. Funny thing, the author picked the one month (May) that GM sold twice as many Grand Prix when compared to almost any other month for 2007. There were a couple months in the 9,000 to 10,000 range, but typically monthly sales of the Grand Prix ranged around 6,000 per month. Check it out for yourself with the link below. Remember, nearly 80% of Grand Prix sales were fleet sales.

http://www.media.gm.com/us/gm/en/news/sales/2007index.htm

I still want to know how many of each model/color/option were/are/will be BUILT for
MY2008. For instance, my IOM GT/Premium/Sport/Sunroof would be 1 of HOW MANY of that same configuration built??????

BJ

I still want to know how many of each model/color/option were/are/will be BUILT for
MY2008. For instance, my IOM GT/Premium/Sport/Sunroof would be 1 of HOW MANY of that same configuration built??????

BJI have been told that a fully loaded GT (like you said, premimum/sport/sunroof) were very rare, but I would also like to know how many they made of each color and with black vs blk/red interior....

How do Mustang and Cammaro owners find out?

The wife's G8 didn't get here until June 6 or it would have been a may sale. Mine still isn't here.

I have been told that a fully loaded GT (like you said, premimum/sport/sunroof) were very rare, but I would also like to know how many they made of each color and with black vs blk/red interior....

How do Mustang and Cammaro owners find out?

you can get mustang production numbers, but it is not broken down by options...just color, body type, and v6/gt/cobra...some years have interior color broken down as well...

As a retired car salesman, I can tell you that they would sell a lot of g8s if they would have some lease specials. (example infiniti)

I have a Pontiac dealer roughly 5 miles from my house and the only promotion I have seen is to have a large G8 written on the windshield of the car and some balloons on flying from the door handle. They have 3 on the lot, last time I drove by. For a new car as impressive as this one is the marketing is very lax if you ask me. I stopped by and was told I couldn't drive it unless I was ready to put money down on it. "People won't want to buy a new car with miles on it", was the reason I was given.
He was right, I wasn't going to put any money down. Because when I needed a new car (late last year) I couldn't wait until March 2008 for a new car (when the G8 arrived here in Buford GA) so I have a new Chevy Avalanche I bought in November (I really needed new wheels ASAP). Maybe in 2009 or 2010 I'll look at another new car.

The wife's G8 didn't get here until June 6 or it would have been a may sale. Mine still isn't here.
Mine, too. I ordered this thing in November 2007!! And, as of today, it still isn't here. There are none on the streets around here. You get this on the streets and people will start getting interested.

The pontiac/cadillac/buick dealership next to my house is a joke, they only have v6 models with no options. I still haven't seen a fully loaded g8 anywhere around here.

101 days and still waiting...:(

New Models Not Breaking Through in Tough Market

2008pontiacg8

We have a saying around here that new cars sell, meaning a new design or totally new model will usually draw in shoppers. Whether it’s thanks to a ridiculous amount of money spent on advertising, positive reviews in the press or just a head-turning man-on-the street reaction, these cars usually perform. However, some much-hyped new models are not selling well these days as Americans tighten their belts. Check out which models whose sales we found surprisingly lackluster for the month of May.

Pontiac G8: 1,832 units sold
Last year at this time, the outgoing and completely outdated Pontiac Grand Prix, which the G8 replaces, sold 12,230 units. Let’s just say for the sake of argument that half of those were fleet sales (which is probably on the high side). That would still mean it sold three times as well as the all-new, very-well-reviewed Pontiac G8. For the past few years, GM loyalists have begged GM to build this car, but now it seems these people aren’t willing to part with their cash for this large sedan. The V-8 version gets 15/24 mpg and the V-6 gets 17/25 mpg, both near the top in the segment, but still not attractive in $4-a-gallon-gas territory. That could be one issue.


I think this is what many of us have feared. Even eliminating fleet, GP on average sold in the low $20k's. Most were fairly basic, n/a 3800 models. Now the G8 V6 may indeed be worth $7000 more than that typical GP, but throw in the weakening economy, lower gas mileage than the 3800 got, and many GP sales will be lost by Pontiac. Hopefully a few go into a G6, maybe some will get into a LaCrosse or Impala and still be good to GM. We can hope.

Of course, each of these G8 V6 sales are making more money for GM than those GP sales were (we hope anyway, with the weak dollar who knows). So hopefully it was a smart exchange of volume for profit.

For the past few years, GM loyalists have begged GM to build this car, but now it seems these people aren’t willing to part with their cash for this large sedan.

And this is the problem. Most GM loyalists are the ones driving 20 year old camaros, or maybe even 8 year old Bonnevilles SSEI/Grand Prix GTPs. They DO NOT buy new vehicles, they can't afford to, yet they push GM to build cars that they will never buy. The used market doesn't help GM unless they sell them new.

Now, myself... This is my third NEW car, my second NEW GM product. I left the GM loyalist side when they stopped making a decent vehicle. I came back when they started making a good one again, hence sitting in a G8 GT. Of course, the choice was ALMOST a CTS, which is another GREAT vehicle.

The rest of the lineup, is quite disappointing. Something to consider. Exterior looks is nice and all, but MOST people spend their time inside the car. I wanted to buy my wife a G6 droptop, but after looking at the interior, I'll be looking elsewhere.

I have been driving GPs since 92.

89SE (used)- loved the 16 way seats!
93SE (used)- Had everything GTP except the motor. Plain.
97GTP (new)- Fun! Fun! Fun! and current driver. :driving:

When the new GP body style came out, I was WTF! :slap: I guess I'll wait until another change over. Then the GTO came out. To me, that is what the GP should have become. But the price gouging and the FOREVER wait list prevented me from getting one. Then I saw the trunk, or lack of one and was glad I kept my GTP.

Then I saw the G8 and was F yeah! Put my deposit down in Feb and now 102 days later....still waiting. They say its on a train coming...

Anyway, where I live, this is GP central. There just appears to be a higher concentration of GPs here than anywhere I have been. If GM prices this right WITH AVAILABILTY, they will have a G8 central here as well.

If GM prices this right WITH AVAILABILTY, they will have a G8 central here as well.

:iagree: The secret word is out again! AVAILABILITY It seems GM intends to keep Pontiac the performance division by keeping the more performance oriented cars in its lineup exclusive/niche type vehicles. Limited availability, limited variety, limited choice on the dealers lots. If the availability of the GT is an example, the GXP will be a real tough one to get your hands on! Oh, and GM needs to dump Mr. Lutz "smile states" strategy, and get these vehicles out to all the states in a more equitable ratio. Those of us in the states with four seasons drive performance cars too!:slap:

:iagree: The secret word is out again! AVAILABILITY It seems GM intends to keep Pontiac the performance division by keeping the more performance oriented cars in its lineup exclusive/niche type vehicles. Limited availability, limited variety, limited choice on the dealers lots. If the availability of the GT is an example, the GXP will be a real tough one to get your hands on! Oh, and GM needs to dump Mr. Lutz "smile states" strategy, and get these vehicles out to all the states in a more equitable ratio. Those of us in the states with four seasons drive performance cars too!:slap:

I live in the NorthEast, xcrappy winters. I didn't have a single problem finding a G8 when I was looking, in the color/package that I wanted. 5 dealers had GTs in stock (no blue ones though, if thats your thing). I knew "ordering" what I wanted would take forever, so I did the footwork required to find the car I wanted. After the first dealership screwed me over, I found another dealer with the same car and bought it.

So, I'm not sure why everyone is waiting so long for their "order" to come through. G8's are a LOT easier to find then the GTOs were when they first came out.

I live in the NorthEast, xcrappy winters. I didn't have a single problem finding a G8 when I was looking, in the color/package that I wanted. 5 dealers had GTs in stock (no blue ones though, if thats your thing). I knew "ordering" what I wanted would take forever, so I did the footwork required to find the car I wanted. After the first dealership screwed me over, I found another dealer with the same car and bought it.

So, I'm not sure why everyone is waiting so long for their "order" to come through. G8's are a LOT easier to find then the GTOs were when they first came out.
Well, when you say Northeast, you definitely weren't talking about NY above Albany or Northern VT. The only G8 anyone has seen is mine. The vast majority of them hadn't even heard of it. There wasn't a single one on any of the Pontiac lots I where I stopped.:(

You get within 40 miles of large cities and you can find them. If you're out in the country where sales haven't been as high in the past and they're pretty well non-existent.

Well, when you say Northeast, you definitely weren't talking about NY above Albany or Northern VT. The only G8 anyone has seen is mine. The vast majority of them hadn't even heard of it. There wasn't a single one on any of the Pontiac lots I where I stopped.:(

You get within 40 miles of large cities and you can find them. If you're out in the country where sales haven't been as high in the past and they're pretty well non-existent.

I'm in Massachusetts, so there are 6 pontiac dealers within 30 minutes of me. So yes, pretty easy. I went to visit my parents in Maine (my home state), and they not only mentioned the neighbor buying a Red G8GT, but I saw the car and did the "club wave", that has always been reserved for vette owners. :)

I found the G8 much easier to find then when i was hunting for a Scion xA (when they first came out). I had to travel to other states to find one, and they made WAY more of them. Seeing all these G8's at dealerships, no one is buying them. I've seen ONE in massachusetts, around Boston and Worcester (two good sized cities), but I've seen over two dozen at dealerships. Of course, the other G8 I saw was MGM, but a V6 model. I made sure to show them what they were missing ;)

In regards to GM loyalists not buying NEW. Had the timing been right the G8 would have been my/our 4th new car.

1996 Ford Contour (wife's)
2003 Accord V-6 (wife's)
2005 Chevy Impala (mine)
2007 Chevy Avalanche (mine)

Like I mentioned before in the post. The Impala needed replacing ASAP and I couldn't wait 3 months for the G8 to come out. So I got the Avalanche in November 2007.

BUT don't worry, when I replace the Avalanche, the G8 is on the list of viable options.

But to the loyalist here's the used car's I've had (not in order and a bunch more not listed)
1955 Chevy 210 sedan
1968 Camaro convertible (originally 6 cylinder)
1969 Z-28 (ALL ORIGINAL 23k miles)(my favorite):gears:
1970 GTO
1987 Trans Am
1987 Grand National (my second favorite):driving:
1984 Z-28 transplanted 350

And this is the problem. Most GM loyalists are the ones driving 20 year old camaros, or maybe even 8 year old Bonnevilles SSEI/Grand Prix GTPs. They DO NOT buy new vehicles, they can't afford to, yet they push GM to build cars that they will never buy. The used market doesn't help GM unless they sell them new.



91 Grand Prix SE (new)
98 Grand Prix GTP (new)
99 S-10 (new)
00 Grand Prix GTP (GTX) (new)
01 Yukon Denali (new)
02 Rendezvous (new)
03 Yukon XL Denali (new)
04 Saab 9-3 vert (new)
05 Yukon XL Denali (new)
06 2500HD Diesel (new)
06 Saab 9-3 Aero (new)

I've done my part.

91 Grand Prix SE (new)
98 Grand Prix GTP (new)
99 S-10 (new)
00 Grand Prix GTP (GTX) (new)
01 Yukon Denali (new)
02 Rendezvous (new)
03 Yukon XL Denali (new)
04 Saab 9-3 vert (new)
05 Yukon XL Denali (new)
06 2500HD Diesel (new)
06 Saab 9-3 Aero (new)

I've done my part.

Where's the 08 G8GT? LOL

And I'm talking about the people who scream and yell about cars being built. Most people who buy new GM vehicles, tend to yell less about models to come.

See, issue with this, is that the writer has flawed logic. He's only looking at cars sold, he is not taking into account cars shipped vs. cars sold.

If he had bothered to see how many G8s were even available for the month of May, that would color his view a little different. This should be reported as a percentage, I.E. 3000 cars shipped, ~1800 cars sold. That would give a better view, also, you would have to figure for the GP, cars built vs. cars sold.

Great point! It's hard to sell what you don't have and most dealers around my area have one...maybe two to look at. There need to be a few more on the road and some more dealers displaying a good inventory to start the sales rolling. The mileage ratings aren't that much different than the GP. Pontiac is in a tough spot, they have something like 2% of the market, and it's very tough to get the word out to people when GM has to spread the advertising dollars that thin. It will take a little time and I hope GM has the patience.

Not to belabor the point of availability, but I live within 40 miles of the largest city in the NW, and within 15 miles of 3 Pontiac dealers. Up until May, there were virtually NO G8s in this area. Even those from this area that bought a G8 before May, they were bought from high volume dealers that had one, or maybe two cars. Many of these dealers did little or no advertising for the cars, and were asking premium prices, markups of $2 to $10K for 888s, over MSRP were not unusual. Many of the smaller dealers got NO G8s at all until all the GTs had been tagged, and were stuck with what was left in the Base models after May 1st. Now that the '09s are on the way, the official Pontiac vehicle locater lists 44 '08 G8s between Eugene, OR and the Canadian border, 19 GTs and 25 V6s. That's 371 miles along the I-5 corridor population core with less than 50 vehicles,... for around 4 million people.:nonono::sneaky:

I think it's safe to say that the 08 sales figures don't mean much. You need to have full availability of the models that are in demand across the country for a period of time, at MSRP or less. Maybe 6 or 8 months from now meaningful sales figures will be available.

I think it's safe to say that the 08 sales figures don't mean much. You need to have full availability of the models that are in demand across the country for a period of time, at MSRP or less. Maybe 6 or 8 months from now meaningful sales figures will be available.

:iagree: And then judge the sales by the amount sold of the amount available to purchase.:wink2:

Where's the 08 G8GT? LOL


I drove an orange GT last Saturday. I liked the color a LOT more than I thought I would. If the current 9-3 had retained even *a little* value, there might already be a G8 in it's place. Alas, the beast may be worth more as scrap than as a whole car.

It's a sickness, this new car thing.

I'm in Massachusetts, so there are 6 pontiac dealers within 30 minutes of me. So yes, pretty easy. I went to visit my parents in Maine (my home state), and they not only mentioned the neighbor buying a Red G8GT, but I saw the car and did the "club wave", that has always been reserved for vette owners. :)

I found the G8 much easier to find then when i was hunting for a Scion xA (when they first came out). I had to travel to other states to find one, and they made WAY more of them. Seeing all these G8's at dealerships, no one is buying them. I've seen ONE in massachusetts, around Boston and Worcester (two good sized cities), but I've seen over two dozen at dealerships. Of course, the other G8 I saw was MGM, but a V6 model. I made sure to show them what they were missing ;)

This just reinforces my dislike for the way Pontiac chose to dole out allocations for the G8. I know at least one State Trooper in Upstate NY that has the money and willingness to buy one. He hadn't seen one in person until I brought mine home from AZ. How sad is that? If he'd lived south or west of Albany he'd probably already have bought one. As it is, he's going to have to take time and drive about 70 miles one way just to (maybe)drive one. Hopefully it isn't one of the dealers that insists on marking them up $3-5K.

My oldest sister is thinking about trading in her Toyota Camry for one after taking a ride in mine. She doesn't have to commute every day so gas mileage isn't a concern for her. She likes to styling, the features, the roominess, the glovebox(???) and the power. The power reminds her of the '69 Mustang she had. I guess even women can have a mid-life-crisis that involves sporty cars.:cool:

So there's at least two sales Pontiac is missing out on because they wouldn't allocate any to the area.

So there's at least two sales Pontiac is missing out on because they wouldn't allocate any to the area.

I know of one guy (his dad actually) who's holding out for an '09. Want's XM.

I think lots of people also are avoiding the '08 model. Many go by the "don't buy the first year of anything" school of thought. Not knowing that these cars are actually in they're third year....

I doubt gas price, haven't they just run out of cars to sell?
No more until the 2009s arrive.

Also the reason they spend such little time on dealer lots. A lot were sold before they arrived and no more are sitting around.

And not bad sales figures when you have sold almost all your cars.

Lots available in the Metro Detroit area as well. Have 3 different Pontiac dealers within a 15 mile radius of where I live and all have been sitting on quite a few since early May.

Lots available in the Metro Detroit area as well. Have 3 different Pontiac dealers within a 15 mile radius of where I live and all have been sitting on quite a few since early May.

Quite a few being how many, and at what price for the period?:huh:

Well, there's still plenty of G8's here on Long Island. A couple of dealers have 5 GT's sitting on their lots. One in particular haven't sold one in over 7 weeks and they were selling them for MSRP to begin with. This one particular dealer is willing to sell for under MSRP now. They are not moving off the lots like they thought they would. Even some of the sleazzy dealers who were asking $3-$5 grand over are asking MSRP now. Supply and demand I guess. Some areas of the country don't have any and we have too many here.....go figure. You can thank the current economy and fuel prices for that.

I think that one of the many reasons that they don't sell that many are. The thing that pisses me off is that most of the shortcomings could be easily fixed.
1. Stupid hood scoops.(GM grow up)
2. 5 dollar a gallon gas.(Blame Bush and China)
3. There is some body roll. (Put vxr8 suspension on it)
4. Detuned engine.(leave that to me)
6. Auto tranny that will not shift as it should.(leave that to me)
7. Do we really need a GXP version?
My main question for this car is simple, will there be a lot of aftermarket support for this car?
And am I the only one that think Pedders suspension is too expensive?

91 Grand Prix SE (new)
98 Grand Prix GTP (new)
99 S-10 (new)
00 Grand Prix GTP (GTX) (new)
01 Yukon Denali (new)
02 Rendezvous (new)
03 Yukon XL Denali (new)
04 Saab 9-3 vert (new)
05 Yukon XL Denali (new)
06 2500HD Diesel (new)
06 Saab 9-3 Aero (new)

I've done my part.

Me too.
1999 Trans Am (new)
1999 Tahoe (new)
2000 Grand Prix (new)
2005 Tahoe (new)

Not to mention the 3 company vehicles that I could have gone to any dealer but chose the GMC and Chevy trucks every time.

leasing is where its at.
Somebody mentioned infiniti and now look at the crazy deals on VWs now.
Buying and GM vehicle and now most other makes is tough due to the amazing depreciation now.
I bought my '06 GTO because leasing in a year old car in may '07 doesn't work.
I lease all of my other GM vehicles and if you are thinking about a cadillac you HAVE to lease or buy used.
'04 SRXs are selling for 15K now which is around what '04 GTOs are selling for, and the Caddys were $7K-20K more new.

leasing is where its at.
Somebody mentioned infiniti and now look at the crazy deals on VWs now.
Buying any GM vehicle, and now most other makes is tough due to the amazing depreciation now.
I bought my '06 GTO because leasing in a year old car in may '07 doesn't work.
I lease all of my other GM vehicles and if you are thinking about a cadillac you HAVE to lease or buy used.
'04 SRXs are selling for 15K now which is around what '04 GTOs are selling for, and the Caddys were $7K-20K more new.

I think that one of the many reasons that they don't sell that many are. The thing that pisses me off is that most of the shortcomings could be easily fixed.
1. Stupid hood scoops.(GM grow up)
2. 5 dollar a gallon gas.(Blame Bush and China)
3. There is some body roll. (Put vxr8 suspension on it)
4. Detuned engine.(leave that to me)
6. Auto tranny that will not shift as it should.(leave that to me)
7. Do we really need a GXP version?
My main question for this car is simple, will there be a lot of aftermarket support for this car?
And am I the only one that think Pedders suspension is too expensive?
i think they are selling fine... the dealership near me has sold 15 total in the last two months... the only one they have left is one they added stuff too (interior bits and wheels) and adjusted the price accordingly...
1. they will be made functional in the aftermarket, just wait... and they differentiate the car from other boring sedans... my only gripe is the V6 gets them, but V6 owners would prob have bought GT hoods in the aftermarket anyways, so i need to shut up...
2. gas has nearly doubled since dems took control of congress... not bush's fault nor China's (seriously china, why???)... dems shot down drilling off coast of FL, in colordo, and other areas that have oil... blame OPEC, they are the ones cashing in...
3. guh, it is a suspension that gives the best of both worlds, nice smooth ride and still handles well enough... still though, buy stiffer sway bars...
4. any tuner with half a brain can fix that... blame CAFE for the massive detune...
5. wait, there was no 5...
6. again, tuner's can fix, but it is still better than any auto trans GM has offered in the past...
7. no, but do we really need AMG's, M's, RS', SS', Shelby's, Z06's, ZR1's, GTR's and SRT's???? no, but they are freaking cool and there will always be people to buy them...:driving:

Main question answer (lol): yes, as a derivative of the LSx block there will be plenty of aftermarket support for this car, just be patient... some things took FOREVER to come out for the TBSS and im sure it was the same way on the GTO's...

Pedders question answer (again, lol): i think so, but there many customers do not... i think i will go a less expensive route on that front, but they seem to know their stuff, even if they won't release specs (which is fine)...

i think they are selling fine... the dealership near me has sold 15 total in the last two months... the only one they have left is one they added stuff too (interior bits and wheels) and adjusted the price accordingly...
1. they will be made functional in the aftermarket, just wait... and they differentiate the car from other boring sedans... my only gripe is the V6 gets them, but V6 owners would prob have bought GT hoods in the aftermarket anyways, so i need to shut up...
2. gas has nearly doubled since dems took control of congress... not bush's fault nor China's (seriously china, why???)... dems shot down drilling off coast of FL, in colordo, and other areas that have oil... blame OPEC, they are the ones cashing in...
3. guh, it is a suspension that gives the best of both worlds, nice smooth ride and still handles well enough... still though, buy stiffer sway bars...
4. any tuner with half a brain can fix that... blame CAFE for the massive detune...
5. wait, there was no 5...
6. again, tuner's can fix, but it is still better than any auto trans GM has offered in the past...
7. no, but do we really need AMG's, M's, RS', SS', Shelby's, Z06's, ZR1's, GTR's and SRT's???? no, but they are freaking cool and there will always be people to buy them...:driving:

Main question answer (lol): yes, as a derivative of the LSx block there will be plenty of aftermarket support for this car, just be patient... some things took FOREVER to come out for the TBSS and im sure it was the same way on the GTO's...

Pedders question answer (again, lol): i think so, but there many customers do not... i think i will go a less expensive route on that front, but they seem to know their stuff, even if they won't release specs (which is fine)...

LOL..... Good response !!!

2. gas has nearly doubled since dems took control of congress... not bush's fault nor China's (seriously china, why???)...

China's economy is exploding thanks to America's love of all things Wal-Mart and the fact that the Chinese can build everythng cheaper that we can in the US because they have not allowed labor unions to even exist, much less ruin every company they touch which forces them to move production off shore. As a result, the Chinese are now buying cars. Cars need fuel. The US is not far from becoming second or third in line among global users of motor fuel. India is experiencing the same boom in thier economy as China, again thanks to American companies outsourcing much of their production.

It all comes down to supply and demand - basic economics. Add global speculation in the futurers market (thanks to the internet) and this comodity we have become so dependent upon will soon be more valuable than gold unless America wakes up and says: "Screw-you" to the wacko environmentalist and begins tapping into our readily available natural resources. Great example of this is that we are about to drain Lake Lanier, the primary source of drinking water for 4 million people in Atlanta because of some damn muscles in Florida. The environmentalists have placed the needs of a damn shell fish above the needs of humans. WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

one of the major reasons the chinese economy is exploding is b/c of they are investing heavily over here to keep the value of their currency down... oh, and also the fact that they are drilling off the coast of FL for oil, a place where we should be right now, and would be, if congress hadn't shot down the proposal....

one of the major reasons the chinese economy is exploding is b/c of they are investing heavily over here to keep the value of their currency down... oh, and also the fact that they are drilling off the coast of FL for oil, a place where we should be right now, and would be, if congress hadn't shot down the proposal....

China also subsidizes many parts of its economy, including oil products. This last Thursday they raised the price of gasoline and diesel, and their people are still paying less than we are, and we pay less than most of the industrialized nations.

Oh, and DRILL, DRILL, DRILL!:wink2:

IMO the gas prices and lack of amenities for MY 2008 are hurting this car. The local dealer has had the same G8 out front for over a month now with no takers.

IMO the gas prices and lack of amenities for MY 2008 are hurting this car. The local dealer has had the same G8 out front for over a month now with no takers.

At what price has it been sitting there for over a month, and is it a V6 or V8? The V6s are sitting everywhere. And dealers with markups over MSRP have had cars sitting for extended periods.:huh:

Where's the 08 G8GT? LOL

And I'm talking about the people who scream and yell about cars being built. Most people who buy new GM vehicles, tend to yell less about models to come.

You can say that again! The GXP is going to be perfect timing for me.
I don't care much about the models and don't care about gas prices
going up!

1973 firebird
1974 firebird
1978 trans am
1979 firebird formula
1994 grand prix se
1997 grand prix gtp
2004 grand prix gtp
2005 sunfire gt
2006 gto...... totalled
2004 gto
2006 gto and hopefully by feb 09 GXP During the 80's I was ford man
with a couple 5.0.

I would love to buy a G8 if GM would let me. 122 days and counting. Now I find out its been sitting in Chicago for over a week. GM and dealer has a SOLD car and no one gives a flying f but me. Dealer won't give me my refund back to get one right down the road... 5 blocks away! The car was built 2-13-08 and tagged on 2-26.

Dealer won't give me my refund back to get one right down the road... 5 blocks away! The car was built 2-13-08 and tagged on 2-26.

You mean your deposit? If you are working with a dealer, for over four months, that has had a deposit check all that time, and hasn't delivered on your car, and won't give back your check, then it's time to call the BBB, and let them know you are contacting lawyers to get your $$ back. Have they offered to pay you interest on your deposit? Sounds like you are getting the shaft, BIG TIME!:err:

You mean your deposit? If you are working with a dealer, for over four months, that has had a deposit check all that time, and hasn't delivered on your car, and won't give back your check, then it's time to call the BBB, and let them know you are contacting lawyers to get your $$ back. Have they offered to pay you interest on your deposit? Sounds like you are getting the shaft, BIG TIME!:err:

I agree ^ You should definetally get your money back, they cant do that, there practically stealing from you, they have no right.

At what price has it been sitting there for over a month, and is it a V6 or V8? The V6s are sitting everywhere. And dealers with markups over MSRP have had cars sitting for extended periods.:huh:


It's a V8, and I haven't stopped by so I don't know what price they are asking for it. If the car was that hot, or in demand it would have sold already, even with a $5k mark up.

It's a V8, and I haven't stopped by so I don't know what price they are asking for it. If the car was that hot, or in demand it would have sold already, even with a $5k mark up.

A couple of weeks back I saw on the Pontiac Vehicle Locater that a dealer in Eugene still had a 888 GT. Could it be that is the one? Maybe they are asking a premium price? Not a lot of them still around unsold. Eugene is a good size city, would think if it wasn't for a good markup it would be gone by now. Are there any other Pontiac dealers in the area?:dunno:

A couple of weeks back I saw on the Pontiac Vehicle Locater that a dealer in Eugene still had a 888 GT. Could it be that is the one? Maybe they are asking a premium price? Not a lot of them still around unsold. Eugene is a good size city, would think if it wasn't for a good markup it would be gone by now. Are there any other Pontiac dealers in the area?:dunno:

It could be, like I said they always have it parked out front when I drive by a few days a week. I will stop by there and see what kind of price they are asking. The metro area is about 250k people so either the gas prices are making people nervous or they are asking a ridiculous amount of money for it.

Finally, after 126 days, I am a sales figure!!! All I can say is f'ing A! :driving:

China also subsidizes many parts of its economy, including oil products. This last Thursday they raised the price of gasoline and diesel, and their people are still paying less than we are, and we pay less than most of the industrialized nations.

Oh, and DRILL, DRILL, DRILL!:wink2:

Offshore drilling? It would take up to 10 years for that to have an effect on prices and the effect would be minimal (a few cents). Not to mention the possible environmental impact.

A couple of weeks back I saw on the Pontiac Vehicle Locater that a dealer in Eugene still had a 888 GT. Could it be that is the one? Maybe they are asking a premium price? Not a lot of them still around unsold. Eugene is a good size city, would think if it wasn't for a good markup it would be gone by now. Are there any other Pontiac dealers in the area?:dunno:

I stopped by there today. The salesman said they just sold the orange first 888, but can't get rid of the V6 that's sitting out front. I don't really see the point of getting the V6, you only gain a few MPG at most.

I stopped by the dealership today to see if some parts I ordered have come in (Trunk cargo mat, full carpeted floor mats with the Pontiac logo, and IOM touch-up paint) and while I was there, a couple who were there looking at G8s came running over to my car while I was sitting in it, dragging their salesman along and saying, here it is, here it is, this is exactly what we want, premium, sport and sunroof, but only in black instead of orange. It was for the wife and while she was standing there looking at my car, she changed her mind and decided she liked the IOM better. The salesman didn't look happy. They had a black V6 on the lot, about 15 feet behind where we were parked/standing and they had no interest in it at all. I told the lady that she would not be able to order an 08 IOM car now and to just order an 09 the way she wanted it but the IOM was not going to be offered in 09. The salesman rolled his eyes and said something about the sales manager being mad at him.... I started to just sell them my car and then make a deal on an order for a GXP - but nope, ain't happening. I like this car too much!

BJ

...but can't get rid of the V6 that's sitting out front. I don't really see the point of getting the V6, you only gain a few MPG at most.

Another V6 dying on the vine! Too bad really. A nice car with the wrong engine! Obviously not a lot of market research went into that decision!?!:slap:

Hot off the presses, sales figures for May, 2008.

1831 G8's for month of May outselling Solstice!!!!! but down 305 from April. ($4 gas to blame?)

4734 total first 3 months
March 777
April 2126
May 1831

Total 4734 to date


http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_files/irol/84/84530/sales_production/May08Deliveries.pdfJust an update to chief:

Total sales 4 months = 6,270

March 777
April 2126
May 1831
June 1536

6,270 sold through June 30

Sales numbers are on the decline........

http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_files/irol/84/84530/sales_production/June_08_Deliveries.pdf

Just an update to chief:

Total sales 4 months = 6,270

March 777
April 2126
May 1831
June 1536

6,270 sold through June 30
Sales numbers are on the decline........

http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_files/irol/84/84530/sales_production/June_08_Deliveries.pdf


6270 out of how many produced; does anyone have that number? Just trying to figure out how many are still out there. The 2009's are starting to roll in and they still have 2008's a plenty. Sales numbers have declined for the second straight month.....not looking good for the dealers but looking better for those that are buying.

There are still tons of 2008's availiable in my area. My guess is that you wont find a dealer out there that is still charging a premium over invoice for the car now.

6270 out of how many produced; does anyone have that number? Just trying to figure out how many are still out there. The 2009's are starting to roll in and they still have 2008's a plenty. Sales numbers have declined for the second straight month.....not looking good for the dealers but looking better for those that are buying.

There are still tons of 2008's availiable in my area. My guess is that you wont find a dealer out there that is still charging a premium over invoice for the car now.

Yes you will - see my post in the Lounge on Stealth Blue GT for sale on e-bay at Carl Black in Kennesaw, GA for $2,200 over MSRP. They claim it is one of only 6 produced in that color. Auction ended today without hitting the BIN number.

BJ

I ordered mine in November '07 and got it June 19. 539 miles and 12 days later and I've forgotten all about how long it took and how frustrated I was waiting. This is a great car.

I ordered mine in November '07 and got it June 19. 539 miles and 12 days later and I've forgotten all about how long it took and how frustrated I was waiting. This is a great car.

Wow! I thought I had it bad. Ordered Feb 23 and got it June 27. Only 384 miles and so far so good. And yes, I am in love with my car. :driving:

Thanks for the update, need4spd, I'll adjust the title of the tthread to keep it current.

One big fat reason why sales might have slipped in June would be the continued high price of gas. People as a whole are now seriously looking long and hard at mpg as a bigger decision factor. GM overall had a relatively good month, despite overall drop compared to last June and comparing calendar years to date.

Chevrolet car retail sales increase of 24 Percent: Malibu up 129 Percent and Cobalt up 27 percent compared with last June
Pontiac retail sales up 14 percent driven by G6 up 27 percent, Vibe up 24 percent, G5 and Solstice up 6 percent
Saturn retail sales up 9 percent with Vue up 100 percent, Sky up 66 percent and Aura up 45 percent
Hybrid sales continue to grow with more than 1,100 delivered in June
GM market share estimated 2 points above May and up slightly compared with June 2007 Sales can be down, but less than competition, so in a shrinking market share is possibly more important than raw numbers.

We also are going to have difficulty putting a handle on G8 sales in Canada. It may be like pulling teeth as GM Canada only reports total car sales per month and does not list individual models.

Yes you will - see my post in the Lounge on Stealth Blue GT for sale on e-bay at Carl Black in Kennesaw, GA for $2,200 over MSRP. They claim it is one of only 6 produced in that color. Auction ended today without hitting the BIN number.

BJ


Dumbasses.....dealer and potential buyers. :judge: Supply may be low in some areas but here in the metro NY area we have plenty of them around and they are selling slowly. Better off buying one here and having it shipped for $600-700 down there. Around here you can pick them up for up to $1000 off MSRP now. Now that the 2009's are arriving, many dealers are gonna start unloading the 2008's. Some have been sitting on lots for upwards of two months with the 90 day window fast approaching!!

GM's sales scare me. Those are just awful! :(

Our dealer in town has a red GT with 18" wheels, my white car has the same options. They seem worried that now with high gas prices it will be tough to sell over the V-6 model. I told them not to worry, I have people everyday that give me thumbs up on my car. Still think its the best value out there for a performance 4 door car at the price!

One big fat reason why sales might have slipped in June would be the continued high price of gas.

OTOH,

I bought my car first part of May. At that time, the dealer told me that they won't be getting in any more G8GT's for about six weeks.

--
Rayvan

GM's sales scare me. Those are just awful! :(

the whole industry is in a depression. As bad as GM sales are, Ford's and TOYOTA's US sales are worse. As for Chrysler....RIP...down 36%.

:driving:In Manassas, VA the dealer I bought from has 1 Red GT and two V6s (grey and white). The red was there when I bought mine on April 4th. They had an Orange one but traded it to a dealer in Richmond, VA so they could bring in the two V6 models.
I justgot my new G8 GT Monday night in the Columbus, OH area and
there aren't a whole lot to pick from around here. The GT's here and
the surrounding area are hard to come by. I got more for my truck
at the dealer where I bought mine but had to pay sticker for the
the G8. Most dealers didn't want my truck at all, a 2008 Colorado Lt
loaded with 2300 miles which I had to deal because it hurt my back so bad to drive and had no power at all. They want sticker or 600
above an preferrably no late model trade.
Mine is red with black & red leather seats and I love it.
It has the premium package, sunroof, power glass, & 18" all
season tires which are optional.

Thanks,
Bob

the whole industry is in a depression. As bad as GM sales are, Ford's and TOYOTA's US sales are worse. As for Chrysler....RIP...down 36%.

GM didn't do as horrible as expected, but still horrible.

Toyota is down but they still make cars people want to buy without firesaling them like GM. They also have billions of dollars in their war chest to weather the storm.

GM is burning through theirs to the tune of a billion per month. They will be out of cash at the rate they're going.

Sales are definitely cooling off here too. I notice every Pontiac dealer I pass buy has GTs in stock now sitting on the lot. Hopefully the "market adjustments" and "desert protection" packages will come off and they will be game to dicker on the sticker. When that happens I may make my move.

I don't know about other parts of the country, but here in NE Florida, I don't think I have seen one G8 commercial on TV. I've seen ads all over the Internet, but they need some good commercials for this great looking car. I think if more actually saw the car, they'd buy it. Also, the V6 and V8 get respectable mileage considering how BIG the car is.

:driving:
I justgot my new G8 GT Monday night in the Columbus, OH area and
there aren't a whole lot to pick from around here. The GT's here and
the surrounding area are hard to come by. I got more for my truck
at the dealer where I bought mine but had to pay sticker for the
the G8. Most dealers didn't want my truck at all, a 2008 Colorado Lt
loaded with 2300 miles which I had to deal because it hurt my back so bad to drive and had no power at all. They want sticker or 600
above an preferrably no late model trade.
Mine is red with black & red leather seats and I love it.
It has the premium package, sunroof, power glass, & 18" all
season tires which are optional.

Thanks,
Bob

Congrats! Sounds nice. Enjoy.

I took the plunge yesterday.

The 2009s are on the lots here now along with 2008s. I took a Stryker Blue out for a good ride yesterday and there's literally no real big difference between the model years aside from the center stack gauges being disabled.

The price for the GT also increased substantially for 09 and I found a dealer willing to negotiate. As a result I went ahead and snagged an 08 Magnetic Grey GT for under MSRP with Sport and Premium. It was thousands cheaper to do so and you give nothing up to the 2009.

XM and blank gauges aren't worth the big increase GM is asking IMO. Considering the GT price increase and the premium the GXP will cost over that plus Arizona taxes made the opportunity to get a GT hard to pass.

Good move! Enjoy!

Thanks!

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I already put over 200 miles on it. I got it right off the truck before the dealer could wash it or touch it in any way. I'll be treating it to a full detail this weekend and take better shots.

If that's your garage. Sweet!
Were currently looking for another house, and something like that is top on my list. It also needs to support a lift. :D
In Central Indiana we call it a pole barn.
Your G8 looks great.

:driving:
I justgot my new G8 GT Monday night in the Columbus, OH area and
there aren't a whole lot to pick from around here. The GT's here and
the surrounding area are hard to come by. I got more for my truck
at the dealer where I bought mine but had to pay sticker for the
the G8. Most dealers didn't want my truck at all, a 2008 Colorado Lt
loaded with 2300 miles which I had to deal because it hurt my back so bad to drive and had no power at all. They want sticker or 600
above an preferrably no late model trade.
Mine is red with black & red leather seats and I love it.
It has the premium package, sunroof, power glass, & 18" all
season tires which are optional.

Thanks,
Bob

I took the plunge yesterday.

The 2009s are on the lots here now along with 2008s. I took a Stryker Blue out for a good ride yesterday and there's literally no real big difference between the model years aside from the center stack gauges being disabled.

The price for the GT also increased substantially for 09 and I found a dealer willing to negotiate. As a result I went ahead and snagged an 08 Magnetic Grey GT for under MSRP with Sport and Premium. It was thousands cheaper to do so and you give nothing up to the 2009.

XM and blank gauges aren't worth the big increase GM is asking IMO. Considering the GT price increase and the premium the GXP will cost over that plus Arizona taxes made the opportunity to get a GT hard to pass.

It think its a "smart buy" to get an '08 in this particular instance for many a different reason.

But that's just me! :wink2:

Cheers!

TriShield, that MG of yours looks identical to the one I test drove a couple months ago. One of the coolest colors I have seen on any car. If I had been driving my Infinity that day, I probably would have traded for it. What a SMOKIN lookin car!!

The dealer here in Atlanta only had one G8 GT on the lot. The rest were V6's. It was the car I was looking for but I have to wait to get my Jeep paid off. Once I sell it I'll have a nice down payment on the G8.

Hey, out of the 6k G8's sold, I wonder how many are rentals? We know they are on some rental lots from other posts about them being on lots......