My buddy up the street has a friend in from out of town with a 370Z + CAI + aftermarket exhaust. He's been running his mouth the past 2 days about wanting to run. I just have a CAI at the moment. Says his does 1/4 in 13.7. I know that's stock GT territory. Thinking it will pretty darn close, maybe a bumper either way???

My friend got the last year 350Z which had a big bump in HP, both of us stock, it was a coin flip. I raced a 370z on the streets, and it was slightly him. (less than a bumper) Go get your tune first :)

It should be close... you want backup? ;)

That's too slow for 370z - they 1/4 in 13.3 or so. The are very fast because of their gearing and their light weight. I'd get a tune to match the CAI first. And HFCs.

Eh, too late, he took off back for New Mexico this morning. Didn't have time to screw with him yesterday, Had the rotary out on the wife's Acadia. He comes to town a few times a year, so I'll take him out next time. Thanks for the responses, guys.

I ran one yesterday on the highway, it was close. But my 2 extra cylinders came thru.

Stock on stock the 370 will win. With his mods he should beat u.

I ran a 370Z Nismo with exhaust on a closed road from 70+; he got out in front of me and jumped first; and it took everything my car had to reel him in but I did. That was a tough one. The 2004 Cobra I raced the same day was much easier to pull away from.

If I was stock, the 370Z Nismo would have detroyed me.

A few bolt-ons and a tune and you won't have to worry about him when he visits.

There's a stock 370Z owned by a guy I talk to at my local Autozone and he wants NO parts of messing with my car.

I ran a 370Z Nismo with exhaust on a closed road from 70+; he got out in front of me and jumped first; and it took everything my car had to reel him in but I did. That was a tough one. The 2004 Cobra I raced the same day was much easier to pull away from.

If I was stock, the 370Z Nismo would have detroyed me.

A few bolt-ons and a tune and you won't have to worry about him when he visits.

There's a stock 370Z owned by a guy I talk to at my local Autozone and he wants NO parts of messing with my car.
What exactly are your mods? If the times in your sig are recent then there's no way you're beating an 03/04 Cobra unless he can't drive or there's something wrong with his car. I know this post is a little old, but I just had to reply to this. Even if your G8 GT has a cam you still wouldn't be able to take out a bolt on pullied 03/04 Cobra.

What exactly are your mods? If the times in your sig are recent then there's no way you're beating an 03/04 Cobra unless he can't drive or there's something wrong with his car. I know this post is a little old, but I just had to reply to this. Even if your G8 GT has a cam you still wouldn't be able to take out a bolt on pullied 03/04 Cobra.

I can understand your question. A couple of items to consider:

1. The Cobra was rated at 390/390 and generally accepted to run 0-60 in 4.5 and high 12's@110 in the 1/4 stock. 3700#. 3.55 Rear. (Data according to wiki.....).
2. I have Vararam w/Vector HSRK, Borla Catback, and Cortex Vararam Tune. My car probably makes 400-410 at the motor/330-340 at the wheels. I have run 4.5 0-60 and in good air, my car has 12.9x in it, especially now that I have traction. By the numbers, I should be close with a stock Cobra, give or take, the driver mod.
3. This was not a 1/4-mile race. It was from 60-UP.
4. Cobra driver looked like a scared novice.
5. Cobra appeared very stock and quite sharp actually. I never used the words "bolt on or pullied" like you stated. I believe the Cobra was stock.
6. In a 60+ mph race, the G8 will have significant advantage in gearing and aerodynamics over this 3.55 geared Mustang brick. The same scenario happened when I destroyed a new Mitsu Evo X/MR/something on the highway. The low-geared brick could not hang at all. At least the Mustang hung better than the Evo X.
7. The Vararam makes my car pull stronger and stronger the faster I go. You may not see the full effects of the Vararam on a dyno but over 60 mph, it's really beginning to work its magic.
8. My car is a beast on the highway. Whatever my car does, it acts on the highway like it has 500 hp.
Case in point (and I know no one will believe this): Last Thursday, I ran a 2010 E63 AMG from 50/60 ON up to a ridiculous speed. It took everything he had to reel me in and that car has 518 hp but is slightly heavier.

I can only report back exactly what happened. Could the Cobra driver have needed some experience? Sure. I have yet to see a race on the street where both decided to run and one driver goes hard and the other driver babies it. Usually, both parties go all out.

I can understand your question. A couple of items to consider:

1. The Cobra was rated at 390/390 and generally accepted to run 0-60 in 4.5 and high 12's@110 in the 1/4 stock. 3700#. 3.55 Rear. (Data according to wiki.....).
2. I have Vararam w/Vector HSRK, Borla Catback, and Cortex Vararam Tune. My car probably makes 400-410 at the motor/330-340 at the wheels. I have run 4.5 0-60 and in good air, my car has 12.9x in it, especially now that I have traction. By the numbers, I should be close with a stock Cobra, give or take, the driver mod.
3. This was not a 1/4-mile race. It was from 60-UP.
4. Cobra driver looked like a scared novice.
5. Cobra appeared very stock and quite sharp actually. I never used the words "bolt on or pullied" like you stated. I believe the Cobra was stock.
6. In a 60+ mph race, the G8 will have significant advantage in gearing and aerodynamics over this 3.55 geared Mustang brick. The same scenario happened when I destroyed a new Mitsu Evo X/MR/something on the highway. The low-geared brick could not hang at all. At least the Mustang hung better than the Evo X.
7. The Vararam makes my car pull stronger and stronger the faster I go. You may not see the full effects of the Vararam on a dyno but over 60 mph, it's really beginning to work its magic.
8. My car is a beast on the highway. Whatever my car does, it acts on the highway like it has 500 hp.
Case in point (and I know no one will believe this): Last Thursday, I ran a 2010 E63 AMG from 50/60 ON up to a ridiculous speed. It took everything he had to reel me in and that car has 518 hp but is slightly heavier.

I can only report back exactly what happened. Could the Cobra driver have needed some experience? Sure. I have yet to see a race on the street where both decided to run and one driver goes hard and the other driver babies it. Usually, both parties go all out.
A Cobra coupe weighs 3,665lbs and the 390/390 is extremely under rated from the factory. Stock they put down 370-385rwhp. In the 1/4 they're a mid 12 car. I understand the race was from a roll which is surely in the Cobra's favor even with your mods. As for aerodynamics... Do you know the drag coefficient for Cobra's? What about G8 GT's? Anything can happen I guess. Hell I've beaten a handful of 03/04 Cobra's when I should've lost.

A Cobra coupe weighs 3,665lbs and the 390/390 is extremely under rated from the factory. Stock they put down 370-385rwhp. In the 1/4 they're a mid 12 car. I understand the race was from a roll which is surely in the Cobra's favor even with your mods. As for aerodynamics... Do you know the drag coefficient for Cobra's? What about G8 GT's? Anything can happen I guess. Hell I've beaten a handful of 03/04 Cobra's when I should've lost.

So, considering I have an Automatic and the Cobra has a stick, even with what they put down on the dyno, by the time you correct the Cobra stick to motor hp, it is back up to 410-420 motor hp. I am between 400 and 410 at the motor. Very close.
Just did a little more research. 12.9x was vey common for a stock Cobra. I am right there. Given its gearing and weight, it should beat me in the 1/4.
On the highway it will be a different story as my encounter showed. Could have been a toss-up but it wasn't on this day. I slowly-to-steadily walked away from him.
I think the c/d on the Cobra was about .33/.34 if I recall. I'm not sure what it is on the G8.

Stock for stock its a drivers race. At Fontana where I race they run high 13's-low 14's just like the G8's do too.. Keep in mind track elevation is 1100+ and DA is avg 2500+...

Drivers race.. I actually like the 370z it has alot of potential. I would get the A7 I test drove it and like it over a year ago.

So, considering I have an Automatic and the Cobra has a stick, even with what they put down on the dyno, by the time you correct the Cobra stick to motor hp, it is back up to 410-420 motor hp. I am between 400 and 410 at the motor. Very close.
Just did a little more research. 12.9x was vey common for a stock Cobra. I am right there. Given its gearing and weight, it should beat me in the 1/4.
On the highway it will be a different story as my encounter showed. Could have been a toss-up but it wasn't on this day. I slowly-to-steadily walked away from him.
I think the c/d on the Cobra was about .33/.34 if I recall. I'm not sure what it is on the G8.

HP at the crank means nothing really. At the wheels is where its at. I would like to see a vid of you racing one though.

HP at the crank means nothing really. At the wheels is where its at. I would like to see a vid of you racing one though.

I realize that. All I was saying was that the HP of mine versus a stock Cobra is close and that the overall picture might make a highway run closer than you first thought.
I don't do vidz but I also state it like it is. I think the people on this forum -and the ones I met in person - know me to be honest and a fun car guy.
I have nothing against Cobras or any car. I love ALL cars - actually anything with a motor. LOL.

Just curious, what do you drive? Wasn't in your sig...

Welcome to the G8Board.

OP - sorry we jacked your 370Z thread.

I realize that. All I was saying was that the HP of mine versus a stock Cobra is close and that the overall picture might make a highway run closer than you first thought.
I don't do vidz but I also state it like it is. I think the people on this forum -and the ones I met in person - know me to be honest and a fun car guy.
I have nothing against Cobras or any car. I love ALL cars - actually anything with a motor. LOL.

Just curious, what do you drive? Wasn't in your sig...

Welcome to the G8Board.

OP - sorry we jacked your 370Z thread.
Yeah, I believe you. Anything can and does happen on the street or track. I drive a Camaro. I raced Lazurus Man a few days ago. The vid is posted in the kill section.

Yeah, I believe you. Anything can and does happen on the street or track. I drive a Camaro. I raced Lazurus Man a few days ago. The vid is posted in the kill section.

Oh yeah, I saw the vid. L.M. is a great car guy. Nice to have you here.

And just like you catching Lazurus Man sleeping on that 3rd honk - LOL - anything can and does happen.

Oh yeah, I saw the vid. L.M. is a great car guy. Nice to have you here.

And just like you catching Lazurus Man sleeping on that 3rd honk - LOL - anything can and does happen.

Yeah Ike is a real cool guy. I couldn't have caught him sleeping on the 3rd honk since he was the one honking it off.

It should be close... you want backup? ;)


++1 :wink2:

What exactly are your mods? If the times in your sig are recent then there's no way you're beating an 03/04 Cobra unless he can't drive or there's something wrong with his car. I know this post is a little old, but I just had to reply to this. Even if your G8 GT has a cam you still wouldn't be able to take out a bolt on pullied 03/04 Cobra.

I agree. Probably a bad driver in the cobra. Even a stock cobra will rape a g8 with boltons on the highway.

Your argument about hp makes no sense... as you state you probably have 330-340rwhp and stock cobras put down 370-385rwhp and weigh a lot less...... who cares what the flywheel hp is, all that matters is what gets put to the pavement.

I dont doubt that you won thou, i've seen tons of people that can't drive a stick to save their life. He probably started in the wrong gear or something.

It should be close... you want backup? ;)

+2, I would gladly roll up to him for yeah as well.

I agree. Probably a bad driver in the cobra. Even a stock cobra will rape a g8 with boltons on the highway.

Your argument about hp makes no sense... as you state you probably have 330-340rwhp and stock cobras put down 370-385rwhp and weigh a lot less...... who cares what the flywheel hp is, all that matters is what gets put to the pavement.

I dont doubt that you won thou, i've seen tons of people that can't drive a stick to save their life. He probably started in the wrong gear or something.

Boy, you guys are tough. :slap: Fair enough on your horsepower points.
No need to doubt that I won; I was there. LOL. Driver looked like a novice.

What is this, The cobra fan club. I have a friend that has an 03 cobra with just an intake and he can't touch me, not from a stop, not on the highway, not at all. If I remember correctly didn't ford get some grief for over-rating the cobras hp back around that time. They're fast cars but they are not out of the g8's league like you guys are trying to make it sound.

What is this, The cobra fan club. I have a friend that has an 03 cobra with just an intake and he can't touch me, not from a stop, not on the highway, not at all. If I remember correctly didn't ford get some grief for over-rating the cobras hp back around that time. They're fast cars but they are not out of the g8's league like you guys are trying to make it sound.

Just because some are realistic doesn't mean were fan boys etc. A Cobra with intake exhaust is easily 400rwhp. My friend made 415rwhp with 389rwtq with just exhaust and intake. So how much RWHP do you make with your mods? And yes the Cobra is out of a G8's league with few mods. I don't bash G8's at all I'm just being real. Exhaust, intake, pulley, tune and you're at 450-470rwhp guaranteed. Port the blower and it'll be at 490-530rwhp.

Pullied Cobra with 3 passengers vs a new Camaro SS
http://www.youtube.com/user/deanh8#p/u/23/m1jCf13-Hrg

Pullied Cobra with 3 passengers vs a new Camaro SS
http://www.youtube.com/user/deanh8#p/u/23/m1jCf13-Hrg

I love the whine of roots blowers.

I love the whine of roots blowers.

Yeah they sound lovely! When my friend had a ported blower it sounded 10x better than a regular pullied Cobra. My favorite sound is the twin screws though

I have to get a Cobra after watching this!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH_WXCThC34

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivGad40FJxo&feature=related

Just because some are realistic doesn't mean were fan boys etc. A Cobra with intake exhaust is easily 400rwhp. My friend made 415rwhp with 389rwtq with just exhaust and intake. So how much RWHP do you make with your mods? And yes the Cobra is out of a G8's league with few mods. I don't bash G8's at all I'm just being real. Exhaust, intake, pulley, tune and you're at 450-470rwhp guaranteed. Port the blower and it'll be at 490-530rwhp.

+1

The cobra makes more power and weighs less... it should beat the g8... knowing this does not make me a fan boy. I could have bought a cobra for less then I paid for my g8 but I bought the g8...

+1

The cobra makes more power and weighs less... it should beat the g8... knowing this does not make me a fan boy. I could have bought a cobra for less then I paid for my g8 but I bought the g8...

Yes, I agree it Should beat the G8, but it's not out of the g8's league at all especially a G8 with a couple mods. Just like anything ultimately when your comparing cars the cars being raced are only as good as their drivers, And obviously The G8 Driver is always going to be better :wink2:. As much as I would like my car to be a m6 the a6 gives us an advantage over a 5 or 6 speed off the line and down the track especially with a tcm tune.

Yes, I agree it Should beat the G8, but it's not out of the g8's league at all especially a G8 with a couple mods. Just like anything ultimately when your comparing cars the cars being raced are only as good as their drivers, And obviously The G8 Driver is always going to be better :wink2:. As much as I would like my car to be a m6 the a6 gives us an advantage over a 5 or 6 speed off the line and down the track especially with a tcm tune.

Your comparing apples to oranges. A stock cobra, WILL pull on a G8 with a tune, headers, and intake. No question about it. You barely make the power a stock cobra makes from the factory with those mods and the cobra is lighter and geared better. When will people realize this? Doesnt matter anyways. You spend 3 grand on those mods, and another 1500 on the cobra and he is pushing 600rwhp. Does it really matter? No.

I thought this thread was about a 370Z... what's all this BS about a Cobra?

I thought this thread was about a 370Z... what's all this BS about a Cobra?

Started back on page 1, never got sorted out lol.

Your comparing apples to oranges. A stock cobra, WILL pull on a G8 with a tune, headers, and intake. No question about it. You barely make the power a stock cobra makes from the factory with those mods and the cobra is lighter and geared better. When will people realize this? Doesnt matter anyways. You spend 3 grand on those mods, and another 1500 on the cobra and he is pushing 600rwhp. Does it really matter? No.


I'll have to remember to consult you anytime I need to know something because apparently you know everything. I like how you say I spent 3 grand on my mods when in reality I have about 1200 give or take 100. but answer me why I can spank a 03 cobra with just an intake all day long if your so sure that a g8 isn't even in that league. I'm not saying that the g8 is always faster but the g8 is easier to drive fast and drive fast consistently. different car or maybe just different driver and it would probably beat me. All I am saying is quit acting like an 03 or 04 cobra is untouchable. and you are correct no it doesn't matter

I thought this thread was about a 370Z... what's all this BS about a Cobra?

Agreed. Let's stay on track please.

One of my buddies has a 370z Nismo that I want to race, he's up for it but it's just about finding the time. Both cars are stock, at least I think mine is, not sure because I bought it used.

One of my buddies has a 370z Nismo that I want to race, he's up for it but it's just about finding the time. Both cars are stock, at least I think mine is, not sure because I bought it used.

See my post #8. I've raced one. Nice car.

You will most likely lose if you are stock.

If you have CAI/Tune/Exhaust, it will be a driver's race. In my case, on the highway, the edge went to me.

Back to the OP... Kick some butt! :)

What is this, The cobra fan club. I have a friend that has an 03 cobra with just an intake and he can't touch me, not from a stop, not on the highway, not at all. If I remember correctly didn't ford get some grief for over-rating the cobras hp back around that time. They're fast cars but they are not out of the g8's league like you guys are trying to make it sound.

ford got greif for overrating the 99 and 01 cobras not the 03/04s. the 99 and 01 had head problems that lowered the HP>

as far as your friend with a 03 cobra who cant touch you I will say anything is possible especially in a car with manual. he could need the driver mod bad. ill tell you one thing i bet an experienced driver could hang with you or even beat you. but if you beat him at the end of the day thats all that matters is you won no excuses. I know for a fact if had a 03/04 cobra i would probably lose a lot of races i should win because i know im not a great driver in a six speed car, hence why my car has an auto.

best example i have is one day at the track we ran into a guy with a pretty built up GT500, his best times were low 12s when with the power levels he was making he should have been low 11s easy. guy simply could not drive the car so he let one of our friends drive and and first pass car was mid 11s, second pass was low 11s.

guess all im saying is car for car the cobra should be able to pull but as with all racng the driver can be the deciding factor

I used to have a 99 cobra with a procharger that put down 425rwhp and 395rwtq...I was told that my car should run high 11's, but the best time I could get was 12.66...if the car was an auto I probably could have ran better times, but because I had the 5 speed and didn't have enough track time, I couldn't get enough practice to get my times lower...it's a drivers race when a manual tranny is involved...

See my post #8. I've raced one. Nice car.

You will most likely lose if you are stock.

Really? I'm pretty sure I should destroy him... Is there something I don't know about these cars?

I think you will be good with your add ons.

Really? I'm pretty sure I should destroy him... Is there something I don't know about these cars?

Um, no.
Your GT500 will chew him up and spit him out.

Um, no.
Your GT500 will chew him up and spit him out.

Oh ok lol I was wondering if I had gotten myself into something I shouldn't have there for a second!

Oh ok lol I was wondering if I had gotten myself into something I shouldn't have there for a second!

Oh! I missed the part that you have a GT 500. I thought you had a stock G8. Sorry about that.

Oh! I missed the part that you have a GT 500. I thought you had a stock G8. Sorry about that.

No worries :) I know I'm the oddball out here, I originally came to find out what at G8 GT was and ended up registering cause it seemed like a good group of people.

So it's official, we got to play this morning. Side by side at 45mph 2nd gear, 1.5-2 car lengths by the time I let off in 3rd gear. He said he knew he would lose and "Just wanted to see how many car lengths err I mean bus lengths you would put on me". He's a buddy of mine so it was all in good fun :) His car is sweet looking though! The white looks very sharp and clean!

Stock GT < 370Z < Tuned GT is how I see it.

Nooo way did you beat an 03/04 Cobra, at least not legitimately, even with bolt-on's. I ran one, both of us were stock, and he pulled on me pretty good, and I have an M6 GXP, which is pretty nasty from a roll.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1UlhYVCRlg

Stock GT < 370Z < Tuned GT is how I see it.

Thank you for your obviously educated opinion (not sarcasm, I know you know cars) which helps to validate my facts. Actually, the one I caught and beat was a 370Z Nismo.

Nooo way did you beat an 03/04 Cobra, at least not legitimately, even with bolt-on's. I ran one, both of us were stock, and he pulled on me pretty good, and I have an M6 GXP, which is pretty nasty from a roll.


X1UlhYVCRlg

Well, I did. I've been racing for, ohh, about 25 years. I was there, you weren't. I also was raised to not lie so I take offense to your comment which insinuated that if I did win, it was illegitimate. I've said before, it appeared that this driver did not look like he knew what he was doing so it could have been the driver mod problem. Based on specs I've seen for the Cobra, 0-60 in 4.5, quarters in the high 12s stock with a good driver; why wouldn't it be possible for me to beat a Cobra if the driver wasn't sharp? My car has done 0-60 in 4.5 and been to the track for just two runs on spinning street tires and ran 13.2s @ 108+ in crappy DA and a so-so 60-footer. Corrected my car reached 13.0x @ 109 with the same so-so 60-footer. With my new stickier 285s and learning how to launch this thing, I'm sure it has a 12.9x in it come the nice Fall weather. Plus, from a roll, when weight has been overcome, aerodynamics kicks in, gearing favors the G8 also, plus the driver mod; I can't understand why this is so hard to believe.

As far as a stock GXP, my car weighs a hair less than a stock G8 GXP, has a fairly-rapid-response auto transmission tune, is geared for the highway, whereas a manual GXP is not, and has as much horsepower as a stock GXP. I think my times prove I can hang with a stock GXP. I have yet to see a stock manual GXP surpass a 13.00 by more than maybe .10/.15??

As for your experience with a Cobra, a) if that's your video, it seems like you started in the wrong gear and b) you would lose to me just based on how slowly you shift.

I will gladly race - dig or roll - any stock Cobra or manual GXP. I will consistently win or lose by 1-2 cars max but I will not be walked or pulled like that video showed, that's for sure. I'd be most worried about a stock automatic GXP with a good driver.

PS: where are your times? Have you been to the track yet?

It's hard to imagine in 16 months of being on two G8 Forums, this is the first time I've felt like I've had to defend my experience from someone like you.

This is why I will NOT post kill stories any longer. It's not worth the BS.

Well, I did. I've been racing for, ohh, about 25 years. I was there, you weren't. I also was raised to not lie so I take offense to your comment which insinuated that if I did win, it was illegitimate.
Your driving might have been fine, but the Cobra's was not. That's what I meant by illegitimate. He must not have been in the correct gear. That can and will make or break a race.
I've said before, it appeared that this driver did not look like he knew what he was doing so it could have been the driver mod problem.
See above
Based on specs I've seen for the Cobra, 0-60 in 4.5, quarters in the high 12s stock with a good driver; why wouldn't it be possible for me to beat a Cobra if the driver wasn't sharp?
They can and do trap high 12's, but it is usually 111-113 mph, because with their crappy IRS, they do not launch well, especially on stock rubber.
My car has done 0-60 in 4.5 and been to the track for just two runs on spinning street tires and ran 13.2s @ 108+ in crappy DA and a so-so 60-footer. Corrected my car reached 13.0x @ 109 with the same so-so 60-footer. With my new stickier 285s and learning how to launch this thing, I'm sure it has a 12.9x in it come the nice Fall weather.
Easily. Shane has run 12.7 with full exhaust, an intake, and a tune, BUT his mph was never over 110, and that was in great air/50's.
Plus, from a roll, when weight has been overcome, aerodynamics kicks in, gearing favors the G8 also, plus the driver mod; I can't understand why this is so hard to believe.
How so? The GT has 2.92's in a 6 speed, the Cobra's have 3.55's with a 6 speed, ergo, they have a gearing advantage.

As far as a stock GXP, my car weighs a hair less than a stock G8 GXP, has a fairly-rapid-response auto transmission tune, is geared for the highway,
Maybe for good highway gas mileage.
whereas a manual GXP is not,
False. 3.70's > 2.92's
and has as much horsepower as a stock GXP. I think my times prove I can hang with a stock GXP.
Should I post a video of what I did to Shane when he had an intake, x-pipe, tune when I was stock?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4tfAbQPhp0

Should I get MaxPower in here to say what I did to him on the highway the night after he ran a 13.0 @ 109 at the track? Trust me. The GXP is nasty from a roll.
I have yet to see a stock manual GXP surpass a 13.00 by more than maybe .10/.15??
Because they are very tough to launch. An automatic is much much easily to launch than an M6 car. We have wheelhop, and spin. A manual shocks the tires much harder than an automatic does.

As for your experience with a Cobra, a) if that's your video, it seems like you started in the wrong gear and b) you would lose to me just based on how slowly you shift.
No. We both started in 2nd gear, and I shifted fast, and so did he. I can post a video of me going 1-1 against a supercharged Roush Mustang that went 12.4 @ 110 when I was stock, or beating a 2009 M3 with my current mods?

I will gladly race - dig or roll - any stock Cobra or manual GXP. I will consistently win or lose by 1-2 cars max but I will not be walked or pulled like that video showed, that's for sure. I'd be most worried about a stock automatic GXP with a good driver.
Your best chance is from a dig. Shane raced the same Cobra I did, from a dig, and he beat him once, and lost once. But from a roll, it was pretty ugly for him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ4CGFkWdx4

PS: where are your times? Have you been to the track yet?
My first time out ever, in 2500 DA, in terrible track prep (I'm not just saying that, everyone had issues that day, and a track official came out and said it. Moisture was seeping through the track and they had to clean it up many many times) I ran a 13.6 @ 109 with a 2.5 60".

It's hard to imagine in 16 months of being on two G8 Forums, this is the first time I've felt like I've had to defend my experience from someone like you.
Sorry? I call them like I see them.

This is why I will NOT post kill stories any longer. It's not worth the BS.

Bummer. I'm just calling it like I see it.

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerX http://www.g8board.com/forums/images/g8board/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.g8board.com/forums/showthread.php?p=561730#post561730)
Well, I did. I've been racing for, ohh, about 25 years. I was there, you weren't. I also was raised to not lie so I take offense to your comment which insinuated that if I did win, it was illegitimate.
Your driving might have been fine, but the Cobra's was not. That's what I meant by illegitimate. He must not have been in the correct gear. That can and will make or break a race. Agreed.
I've said before, it appeared that this driver did not look like he knew what he was doing so it could have been the driver mod problem.
See above
Based on specs I've seen for the Cobra, 0-60 in 4.5, quarters in the high 12s stock with a good driver; why wouldn't it be possible for me to beat a Cobra if the driver wasn't sharp?
They can and do trap high 12's, but it is usually 111-113 mph, because with their crappy IRS, they do not launch well, especially on stock rubber.
My car has done 0-60 in 4.5 and been to the track for just two runs on spinning street tires and ran 13.2s @ 108+ in crappy DA and a so-so 60-footer. Corrected my car reached 13.0x @ 109 with the same so-so 60-footer. With my new stickier 285s and learning how to launch this thing, I'm sure it has a 12.9x in it come the nice Fall weather.
Easily. Shane has run 12.7 with full exhaust, an intake, and a tune, BUT his mph was never over 110, and that was in great air/50's.
Plus, from a roll, when weight has been overcome, aerodynamics kicks in, gearing favors the G8 also, plus the driver mod; I can't understand why this is so hard to believe.
How so? The GT has 2.92's in a 6 speed, the Cobra's have 3.55's with a 6 speed, ergo, they have a gearing advantage. Could just be my interpretation of gears over the years that could be wrong. All else being equal, a larger number will help from a dig but will hurt top speed - this is fact. In between, on the highway, I thought the edge would go to the car with the smaller numbered gear but I guess it depends on the speed you start at, trans gearing, horsepower, etc. A Mustang Cobra with a 4-speed or 5-speed and that gear ratio might run out of steam compared to a 2.92 and a 6-speed. You may not realize this but my run (on a closed road in Mexico) went from about 65 to 155 (something I hope to never do again). I think he ran out of steam (or trans or gear to keep up) at about 120'ish.

As far as a stock GXP, my car weighs a hair less than a stock G8 GXP, has a fairly-rapid-response auto transmission tune, is geared for the highway,
Maybe for good highway gas mileage.
whereas a manual GXP is not,
False. 3.70's > 2.92's
and has as much horsepower as a stock GXP. I think my times prove I can hang with a stock GXP.
Should I post a video of what I did to Shane when he had an intake, x-pipe, tune when I was stock?


Should I get MaxPower in here to say what I did to him on the highway the night after he ran a 13.0 @ 109 at the track? Trust (http://www.g8board.com/forums/#) me. The GXP is nasty from a roll.
I have yet to see a stock manual GXP surpass a 13.00 by more than maybe .10/.15??
Because they are very tough to launch. An automatic is much much easily to launch than an M6 car. We have wheelhop, and spin. A manual shocks the tires much harder than an automatic does. I know all about it.

As for your experience with a Cobra, a) if that's your video, it seems like you started in the wrong gear and b) you would lose to me just based on how slowly you shift.
No. We both started in 2nd gear, and I shifted fast, and so did he. I can post a video of me going 1-1 against a supercharged Roush Mustang that went 12.4 @ 110 when I was stock, or beating a 2009 M3 with my current mods? I don't doubt you. No one would believe how I held off but finally lost to a 2010 E63 AMG (yes, a 518hp one) on the highway. My car runs strangely strong above 70 through 155 and still pulls hard.

I will gladly race - dig or roll - any stock Cobra or manual GXP. I will consistently win or lose by 1-2 cars max but I will not be walked or pulled like that video showed, that's for sure. I'd be most worried about a stock automatic GXP with a good driver.
Your best chance is from a dig. Shane raced the same Cobra I did, from a dig, and he beat him once, and lost once. But from a roll, it was pretty ugly for him. Again, my car for some reason is a beast from a roll.

PS: where are your times? Have you been to the track yet?
My first time out ever, in 2500 DA, in terrible track prep (I'm not just saying that, everyone had issues that day, and a track official came out and said it. Moisture was seeping through the track and they had to clean it up many many times) I ran a 13.6 @ 109 with a 2.5 60".

It's hard to imagine in 16 months of being on two G8 Forums, this is the first time I've felt like I've had to defend my experience from someone like you.
Sorry? I call them like I see them.

This is why I will NOT post kill stories any longer. It's not worth the BS.

Bummer. I'm just calling it like I see it.

No problem. You can't "call them" from the stands and you certainly can "see it" without being here. As you pointed out several times, sometimes even the track numbers don't tell the whole story and anything can happen head to head.
It's all good.
Just remember, on the street, there are NO excuses. A win is a win and a loss is a loss no matter what happens. As long as someone is telling the truth, I don't question the results.

Uh, back to the original point, the G8 is tuned now compliments of Shane, so I'm looking for Mr. 370z to roll back into STL.

my heard hurts from all this...

my heard hurts from all this...

LOL, true...

I kinda thought if you were to come into a G8 Forum and you owned a G8 and you posted a kill story from what I can tell is a reputable source, you wouldn't be scruntinized so much...maybe some people just like arguing? Is the other poster a woman? It sounds like my wife! lol...Also I just watched the video and the cobra running in that video definitely didn't sound stock, just my opinion from listening to the sounds in the video...

here is a stock cobra exhaust...you be the judge...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S58L4QfJ_k

What's even worse is it was originally about a 370Z!

Somehow it got cockblocked and became about a Mustang.

What's even worse is it was originally about a 370Z!

Somehow it got cockblocked and became about a Mustang.

Haha, that's cuz the 370, while actually pretty fast and stock probably faster than a stock GT, is nothing compared to a tuned/intake GT especially from highway rolls. There is only so much you can do to a Z w/ its wrung out motor before you have to start adding nitrous and FI to make power. Dollar for dollar, mod for mod, the G8 should be faster.

And the 03/04 terminator mythical cobras really are THAT FAST I've seen it myself, no freaking way would any stock/mildly modded/moderately modded G8GT beat one. No way. SOOOO it makes the OP's thread hogwash to begin with, which is why you see so much trash talking I would assume.

One thing would be to start that statement by, "I know the driver of the cobra is missing his left hand and has trouble shifting, BUT...."

The OP only mentioned the 370Z.

I assume you're talking about whoever started this death spiral about the Cobra. :)

I kinda thought if you were to come into a G8 Forum and you owned a G8 and you posted a kill story from what I can tell is a reputable source, you wouldn't be scruntinized so much...maybe some people just like arguing? Is the other poster a woman? It sounds like my wife! lol...Also I just watched the video and the cobra running in that video definitely didn't sound stock, just my opinion from listening to the sounds in the video...

here is a stock cobra exhaust...you be the judge...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S58L4QfJ_k
The Cobra was stock.

Sorry that I have a problem with kill stories that don't make sense and call people out on it. I guess I should do nothing but give props since we both own G8's.

I guess I did derail this thread by bringing up the Cobra story but at the time I thought I was adding something the OP would want to know. OP - my apologies.

My story is true. No excuses on the road. Anything can happen. It's like "Any Given Sunday." LOL.

04GT: say anything you need to...there's nothing wrong with debate. Of course, arguing for arguing's sake should be kept to a minimum.

We're all buddies here sharing a common interest or hobby; let's not get too worked up about it. Let's have fun.

Shane, 04GT, anyone with a stock Cobra: come to South Jersey - we'll race, win/lose, have fun, laugh, and then I'll make you guys a nice Italian dinner!!!

My buddy up the street has a friend in from out of town with a 370Z + CAI + aftermarket exhaust. He's been running his mouth the past 2 days about wanting to run. I just have a CAI at the moment. Says his does 1/4 in 13.7. I know that's stock GT territory. Thinking it will pretty darn close, maybe a bumper either way???

Did your friend go into detail about the Nissans trim level? If it is a 370Z Nismo you're toast by about 3-4 lengths. If it is a base 370Z I am anxiously awaiting the results. I believe that with your auto trans you will be the victor from a dig. The difference between the two is comparable to the GT/GXP. Not a whole lot, but enough.

Keep us posted man. Interesting match up. Good luck!

the 1/4 mile time could be deceiving because of the variations you will get based on the DA...so that will make it hard to determine exactly where the 370Z in question matches up to a stock G8...

Not a ton of time for me to read up if the race went down, but on saturday after owning my car for about 6 minutes I had a 370Z pull up next to me at a light. I had just finished telling my GF in the passenger seat just how badaaaassss G8 GT's are..... so of course I was worried about looking like a douche. I turned the ESP off, brake torqued to 1250rpm, and just put it down when the light went green.... Long story short he was about 3 feet behind my back bumper by the time I backed off around 65mph....

Not sure if I should have lost or if this sounds right... guy was pissed, I was happy!

My buddy up the street has a friend in from out of town with a 370Z + CAI + aftermarket exhaust. He's been running his mouth the past 2 days about wanting to run. I just have a CAI at the moment. Says his does 1/4 in 13.7. I know that's stock GT territory. Thinking it will pretty darn close, maybe a bumper either way???

ouch if he runs 13.7 he has one slow 370z or yall run in a High DA area. base 370z are quicker than the nismo's dont let that "extra hp" fool ya in those trims. it actually is only about 10 hp difference to the wheels and is offset by the extra 60 or so lbs they gain. and to the poster aboce. 0-65 isnt much. but if he was on your bumper that close and you didnt spin very much he would have probably reeled you in. i owned a 370z traded it for my g8. but my 370z was 5 tenths quicker. and 4 mph faster in the 1/4 at the same track. normal lowest Base model 370z 7 speed auto. but it was a v6.. and after minor boltons there stuck unless you want to shell 10grand on a decent TT setup

Uh, back to the original point, the G8 is tuned now compliments of Shane, so I'm looking for Mr. 370z to roll back into STL.

I'd still be careful with that Z. 370's can run high 12s with a tune, exhaust, and CAI. He could be downplaying his times to bait you... I know I did the same thing to my boy in his GTO...:gr_devil: Good luck though :drink: