I just got off the phone with the finacial manager of the largest Pontiac dealer in NC and he said the last thing he heard was that the GXP was going to be right around $40K. That is going to kill my dreams of getting a GXP if that turns out to be true.:( In his defense he said he hasn't heard anything "official" yet. I sure hope he is wrong.

Sounds about right... why is your dream dead? This is right where this car should be priced?

My guess is that you'll be able to pick one up at $37K from the dealer for this price...

I hope you weren't expecting an M5 competitor to be much less!

There isn't another car that can touch this car at this price!

~LSx

Remember that $2K of the price will be the gub'mint taxing you for having fun throught the GG tax. would be $37-38 if it werent for that.

Tell DC thank you that you can still buy it. The Obama regime, if it takes over America, has already said Americans use too much AC and eat too well. Can't belive they'd take to V8 engines for the masses.

Remember that $2K of the price will be the gub'mint taxing you for having fun throught the GG tax. would be $37-38 if it werent for that.

Tell DC thank you that you can still buy it. The Obama regime, if it takes over America, has already said Americans use too much AC and eat too well. Can't belive they'd take to V8 engines for the masses.

Tax the **** out of fuel, problem solved. No more has guzzler tax :)

Tax the **** out of fuel, problem solved. No more has guzzler tax :)

And higher prices for everything that you don't grow/make yourself will do wonders for the economy!:confused:

And higher prices for everything that you don't grow/make yourself will do wonders for the economy!:confused:

I didn't say tax diesel. just gasoline.

$40k...?? Hah.. in their dreams...

I didn't say tax diesel. just gasoline.

Actually, you said fuel, and that generally refers to all types of petroleum products used to propel vehicles, including diesel. And there are a lot of delivery/service vehicles on the road that are not diesel, which would be affected by a rise in just gasoline. It was a good idea for us enthusiasts, but don't think it would be too popular among the masses.:)

Actually, you said fuel, and that generally refers to all types of petroleum products used to propel vehicles, including diesel. And there are a lot of delivery/service vehicles on the road that are not diesel, which would be affected by a rise in just gasoline. It was a good idea for us enthusiasts, but don't think it would be too popular among the masses.:)

Delivery vehicles should be nuclear powered :) I think maybe even a system like we have now for farms. Different fuel (dyed) which means no taxation, for commercial fleet vehicles.

I didn't say tax diesel. just gasoline.


Agreed. Just a long term thing of course, add tax a little at a time. If the tax were used for investment in alternate power and fuel sources, it would be worth it!

Let the free market sort itself out. Hardly any good ever comes from government involvement.

Hardly any good ever comes from government involvement.

You're kidding right?

Nice hyjacking...

Remember that $2K of the price will be the gub'mint taxing you for having fun throught the GG tax. would be $37-38 if it werent for that.

Tell DC thank you that you can still buy it. The Obama regime, if it takes over America, has already said Americans use too much AC and eat too well. Can't belive they'd take to V8 engines for the masses.

Lets just hope he does'nt :banghead:

Catback exhaust. 10rwhp 600
CAI. 10rwhp. 250
Tune. 20rwhp. 400
Underdrive pulley. 5rwhp. 200
=45rwhp =1450=GXP (My humble opinion)
Suspension? (blistein)

You're kidding right?

Nope.

Back on topic: ~40K was the projected price from the beginning.

Depends on your point of view. I am happy with the G8 Gt and probably could not have went to 40K right now myself. So wile I think 40K is good chunk of cash. Here is the flip-side in todays economy. Which will not improve under no experience Oblowmoma.

Things are expensive right now. I am not in finance but don't need to be when I see the cost of Gas, Milk, Bottled Water etc.. Cars are expensive too, when shopping for my new car I saw loaded Saturn Aura's, Pontiac G6's, Accords. These cars were all over 26K. Made buying a 6L, Leather, larger car for 31.5 seem cheap! Now enter the BMW 5 series, V8 MB's, Charger srt8, RWD Caddy ( Name,SRT?) anyhow now if I was in the market for a 40K car. GXP would have to top the list.

I'm sitting here just amazed by the prices you guys pay for cars.
I bought myself a HSV Clubsport, paid $58,000 for it. Which is still about $4000 under rec. retail price.
I know our models get some better gear than your G8 and GXP models, (SatNav options etc).
I also understand that historically the Australia dollar has been significantly weaker.
And I know our wages are historically quite a bit higher than the US but it's still depressing to see you guys bitch or worry about paying such a small amount for such a lot of car.
Not bitching, just jealous. :)

Well after seeing the header systems from American Racing Headers it makes me less sad to get a GT over a GXP. It appears that with their system and a good tune you can pick up 55 rwhp and 60 rwtq. That is very impressive for the amount of money that you would put into it. Time to start working over the wife.
This is how I see it going.
Me:rant: her:nono: result 1:punch: outcome:nono: me :cursin: then me:cry: me some more:whine: her feeling bad :slap: me getting what I want :shiner:.

Now I just have to create a strategy...

to the best of my knowledge NO LSx engien gains THAT much hp with headers... LS motors respond best to mods done on the intake side more than they do to the exhaust side.. nice headers none-the-less

to the best of my knowledge NO LSx engien gains THAT much hp with headers... LS motors respond best to mods done on the intake side more than they do to the exhaust side.. nice headers none-the-less
Based on their post (which seems legit) it did happen. Everything I've heard about the G8 GT is that the exhaust is very restrictive. Here is the post that ARH put up.

http://www.g8board.com/forums/showpost.php?p=56328&postcount=19

$40k US would likely net a GM Canada price around $52 - 55k

Based on their post (which seems legit) it did happen. Everything I've heard about the G8 GT is that the exhaust is very restrictive. Here is the post that ARH put up.

http://www.g8board.com/forums/showpost.php?p=56328&postcount=19

Stock on Kaltech's Mustang chassis dyno- 288 RWHP 300 RWTQ

AR Headers system only (w/stock mufflers)- 326 341

from the link, those gains are more believable, +38 whp and +41 TQ, now when you add the intake and tune you'll be at +55 and +60 which is respective as well...

my guess is that they installed the headers, removed the cats, and ran new piping but left the mufflers.. :wink2:

In my post I said with their headers and a good tune. The CAI and the muffler removal added a total of 7 more horsepower and 11 lb/ft of torque. I guess I should have said 48 horsepower and 49 lb/ft of torque. Which, in my opinion is still pretty good considering the amount of money involved.

Let the free market sort itself out. Hardly any good ever comes from government involvement.

Amen, someone gets it. If we'd let the oil compnies build refineries and drill in N. Dakota, Montana, ANWR, off the Florida coast, the atlantic coast, we'd have $2 gas when it gets produces in 5 years. NO one in the gub'mint ever produced any gas other than their own flautulence.

I'm sitting here just amazed by the prices you guys pay for cars.
I bought myself a HSV Clubsport, paid $58,000 for it. Which is still about $4000 under rec. retail price.
I know our models get some better gear than your G8 and GXP models, (SatNav options etc).
I also understand that historically the Australia dollar has been significantly weaker.
And I know our wages are historically quite a bit higher than the US but it's still depressing to see you guys bitch or worry about paying such a small amount for such a lot of car.
Not bitching, just jealous. :)


NOt sure about that wages part mate. Every listing I see puts the US on top of major countries, especially on a purchasing power parity basis...but then that;s the root of the controversy why we pay $40 and Oz pays $58K. Do you have VAT there? Could be the difference.

If the tax were used for investment in alternate power and fuel sources, it would be worth it!

There's the problem. Our government wouldn't invest in alternative resources. Every politician would look at more tax money as a raise. In their pocket, not the pockets of companies doing research for alternative resources.

I'm sitting here just amazed by the prices you guys pay for cars.
I bought myself a HSV Clubsport, paid $58,000 for it. Which is still about $4000 under rec. retail price.
I know our models get some better gear than your G8 and GXP models, (SatNav options etc).
I also understand that historically the Australia dollar has been significantly weaker.
And I know our wages are historically quite a bit higher than the US but it's still depressing to see you guys bitch or worry about paying such a small amount for such a lot of car.
Not bitching, just jealous. :)

We won't get a Commodore with the full 430 HP from the factory. GM is gonna make us get to that level on our own. Plus, we don't get the HSV body mods like you Aussies. BTW: :worthless:

Amen, someone gets it. If we'd let the oil compnies build refineries and drill in N. Dakota, Montana, ANWR, off the Florida coast, the atlantic coast, we'd have $2 gas when it gets produces in 5 years. NO one in the gub'mint ever produced any gas other than their own flautulence.

Flawed logic. What makes you think the oil companies would lower prices given any amount of additional oil reserves? Their surveyors and technicians have already moved into northeast North Dakota while inflating housing prices. Exploration permits are being approved daily. (https://www.dmr.nd.gov/oilgas/dailyindex.asp)

Flawed logic. What makes you think the oil companies would lower prices given any amount of additional oil reserves? Their surveyors and technicians have already moved into northeast North Dakota while inflating housing prices. Exploration permits are being approved daily. (https://www.dmr.nd.gov/oilgas/dailyindex.asp)

you do know that the oil companies are only at an 8.5% percent margin right now correct? they do not control oil prices, unlike what some of you believe. when their cost goes down so will the prices!!!

and believe me taxing them, will not lower their cost!

last i heard gm want a 36k price point. however this could cost the gxp some goodies. the bean counters are currently fighting the engineers.

you do know that the oil companies are only at an 8.5% percent margin right now correct? they do not control oil prices, unlike what some of you believe. when their cost goes down so will the prices!!!

and believe me taxing them, will not lower their cost!

last i heard gm want a 36k price point. however this could cost the gxp some goodies. the bean counters are currently fighting the engineers.

Uhmm....???? Why should their margin be so high when everyone elses is dropping, mainly because of their zest to profit? The petro companies used to be "fat" @ 4.5-5% profit. Starting to look like OPEC is even admitting it's time to about face.

when was this? i kept hearing it should be around 10% then this is usually followed by that is very low compared to most industrys. such as drug companies, many of which are posting near 30% profit margin. and we wonder why health care is so high?

Hey LSexcellent, don't count on nothing NOT being able to touch the GXP for it's $40k, just heard Dodge is going to pump up the R\T's 5.7 from 350 hp to 390 hp and the SRT8 6.1's are going to 450+ hp in spring 2009, so the main competition in performance and price will be the Dodge magnum R\T 5.7, the Charger R\T 5.7 and the 300C 5.7. Someone should tell pontiac to turn the wick up on the G8.. I've heard that with a simple parking lot re-tune the G8 GT is picking up 20-30 lost horses although I don't by it, it would be nice.

Also just saw a Magnacharged M1900 (460rwhp) G8 GT run 0-95mph in 11 sec and 0-100 in 11.8. My stock M6 06' GTO did 0-100 in 11.1 ...... I guess that's not to bad for an unladen (no people on board but full of fluids) 4100 lb G8 GT, 400 lbs more than my goat. My 410 rwhp bolt-on GTO now does 0-100 in 10.2 sec and 12.5 at 114 , stock she was 13.4 at 108.23, all in 1200ft Phx , Az with poor DA as usual.

If the GXP comes out at $39k or above I'll GO to a german or jap car. Stealerships in Phx are selling these G8 GT's at MSRP and will not budge on price. Hell The 135i bimmer with a stick is going to be a equal to at least 70 or 80 mph with the G8 GXP for $6k less and better MPG. I just don't know. I guess I'm looking more for quality than quantity and muscle these days and GM does not have the quality.

All I know is they should have saved the postage on all the stimulus checks and just sent them all to Exxon Mobil. That's where the money's going anyway.

Let the free market sort itself out. Hardly any good ever comes from government involvement.


Quote for the WIN!

Does anybody have an exact date for pricing release and order dates?

I just got off the phone with the finacial manager of the largest Pontiac dealer in NC and he said the last thing he heard was that the GXP was going to be right around $40K. That is going to kill my dreams of getting a GXP if that turns out to be true.:( In his defense he said he hasn't heard anything "official" yet. I sure hope he is wrong.

Nothing official has been posted yet, so I'm sure that's an educated guess. :)

I probably wouldn't pay 40k for a pontiac. And I have a feeling that most people feel the same way. In my opinion they should have just upgraded the g8 with a couple of new packages, suspension, brakes, etc. I think that the engine in the gt can push well over 400hp without much work done to it. So why is a gxp necessary? Keep in mind I have no love for manual transmissions.

I probably wouldn't pay 40k for a pontiac. And I have a feeling that most people feel the same way. In my opinion they should have just upgraded the g8 with a couple of new packages, suspension, brakes, etc. I think that the engine in the gt can push well over 400hp without much work done to it. So why is a gxp necessary? Keep in mind I have no love for manual transmissions.

The manual transmission is the whole reason for the GXP.

As (many) folks have stated in here, it doesn't make much sense to pay and additional $5K above a fully loaded G8 GT JUST for 40hp. The power is there (400hp is an A$$LOAD of hp folks... don't be fooled!) so they added the parts to the rest of the package to keep up! Really the difference between the G8 GT and G8 GXP will be felt on the track, or at 9/10's pace... anything less and most folks won't notice the improvements.

Personally I want the G8 GXP because I really LOVE driving, I want to feel and interact with the car. I love to shift myself and practice heel/toe shifting. I love driving fast, safely. I love going to the track and getting instruction on how to be a better driver. The GXP is suppose to cater to me... well see how well they deliver.

If I were a plastic surgeon instead of an engineer I'd be buying a BMW M3 right about now... but since I'm never going to swing a $60K car I'm going to try and afford something like the G8 GXP... which is exactly what GM is hoping.

~LSx

$40k US would likely net a GM Canada price around $52 - 55k

I hope you are wrong but I would not bet against you.
I think it will start at $46,995 and we know that the options list will be very short.
Looks like months before we will actually find out.

The manuel tranny alone is worth the price increase over the GT model. I just can't see myself enjoying a auto equipt sports car like I do a manuel one.

The manual transmission is the whole reason for the GXP.

As (many) folks have stated in here, it doesn't make much sense to pay and additional $5K above a fully loaded G8 GT JUST for 40hp. The power is there (400hp is an A$$LOAD of hp folks... don't be fooled!) so they added the parts to the rest of the package to keep up! Really the difference between the G8 GT and G8 GXP will be felt on the track, or at 9/10's pace... anything less and most folks won't notice the improvements.

Personally I want the G8 GXP because I really LOVE driving, I want to feel and interact with the car. I love to shift myself and practice heel/toe shifting. I love driving fast, safely. I love going to the track and getting instruction on how to be a better driver. The GXP is suppose to cater to me... well see how well they deliver.

~LSx

The GXP is the manual trans plus the Brembo brakes, better seats, etc. I also like the option to shift my own gears. I am a rather abusive driver to my cars. If Pontiac puts the good racy equipment on the car, then I probably won't come close to the limits of the equipment. But, I like the upcoming Ute/ST. Since I can only afford one payment, I'm hoping like hell that they announce a GXP version of the ST. Maybe they should just build all of the STs with the LS3 (1 engine choice, 2 transmission choices--just like the GTOs) so I can choose the manual trans & get back into a 400 HP land missle.

The manuel tranny alone is worth the price increase over the GT model. I just can't see myself enjoying a auto equipt sports car like I do a manuel one.

If they charged $10K just for the manual transmission, that would win the award for the dumbest idea ever. :nuts:

I REALLY want a GXP but I won't pay $40+K for the car. I truely hope GM prices this as smartly they did the GT. I'm willing to pay for the extra equiptment but not $8K willing.

I REALLY want a GXP but I won't pay $40+K for the car. I truely hope GM prices this as smartly they did the GT. I'm willing to pay for the extra equiptment but not $8K willing.


$8k adds up pretty fast.... if you look at the parts of the whole....

$2k Gas Guzzler tax (:()
$1.5k suspension upgrade (probably worth it)
$1.5k oversized brakes (probably worth it, price these stand-alone)
$1k for beefier internals and 40+HP over base. (Probably worth it)
$1k Sport interior (worth it)
$1k Body moldings (worth it, price buying and painting in the aftermarket)

All the above goodies engineered to work together from the factory, under warranty, priceless...:)

has the 2k gas tax been announced yet? the tax on the blown 500hp gt500 is only 1300.

the st is under 30k for a reason gm wants to keep the gxp reasonable as well, and they are watching price of gas very closely. while some cars will attract those that can afford 10 gas the gxp will not be one of those cars.

in conclusion i see a 36k otd cost in the near future(specifically this time next year) after rebates and lower then msrp pricing from dealers!

Three things are players in the oil crisis, Politics, and the weak U.S. dollar and the fact that oil is bought and sold on the U.S. dollar, That's right only one currancy for oil purchase and exchange. The oil market needs other currancies other than the U.S,. dollar, so these kinds of crisis do not occur. I work with the DOE and can tell you all that there's plenty of oil out there and production increase is not needed, This is stuff the news and our G'ment will not dare say to the public because the impending national and world crisis is halfway down hill and still falling, and our politicians want a big stake in the oil crisis, so it's a sad time to be an American. I know the facts on this, and will not debate the point unless you have a top secret level 6 presidential security clearance, and have access to this info, which I have. We need to be going after the politicians of both parties.

The otd price doesn't count, the gt can be discounted as well, I already had a quote for 4k off the sticker price. To me the appeal of the g8 is the price, once that goes so does the appeal. I doubt that a racing suspension costs gm any extra money, they already have them in Australia, and I also doubt that putting on a normal hood (no hood scoops) costs them extra. I am willing to bet you an ice cold coke that people would appreciate these 2 new features greatly even though it wouldn't cost gm greatly. Furthermore, most people drive cars with an automatic transmissions.has the 2k gas tax been announced yet? the tax on the blown 500hp gt500 is only 1300.

the st is under 30k for a reason gm wants to keep the gxp reasonable as well, and they are watching price of gas very closely. while some cars will attract those that can afford 10 gas the gxp will not be one of those cars.

in conclusion i see a 36k otd cost in the near future(specifically this time next year) after rebates and lower then msrp pricing from dealers!

$8k adds up pretty fast.... if you look at the parts of the whole....

$2k Gas Guzzler tax (:()
$1.5k suspension upgrade (probably worth it)
$1.5k oversized brakes (probably worth it, price these stand-alone)
$1k for beefier internals and 40+HP over base. (Probably worth it)
$1k Sport interior (worth it)
$1k Body moldings (worth it, price buying and painting in the aftermarket)

All the above goodies engineered to work together from the factory, under warranty, priceless...:)

Hopefully it wont be priced like this, sure they (Pontiac) need to add the extra dollar value to these added items, but they also need to subtract the cost of the original parts on the G8GT, there has to be a some sort of delta involed right ?? One can hope anyway !!

The otd price doesn't count,

what do you mean does not count? sure it counts since it is actual price paid, and not a lousy asking price such as msrp!

most of these cars will not be selling for 36k and above. they will be selling for below msrp and if you wait a little while there will be rebates. like i said above the gxp will be available for 32/33k with the gas tax included. then add the 3k+ plus in tax/title/license/doc fees for you out the door price.

32k sedan with a 400hp ls3 plus the 6060 stick is a heck of a deal!!!!

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I hope you're right about the GXP being price at $36K. If you look at what the price of the premium package GT's G8 are going for (out the door $) then you may be just dreaming.

Even with the car being its first year here and being the hyper version of the G8. I truly think realistically the GXP price depends on where the fuel prices will be when the car actually hit the showrooms later this year!

I mean really how can GM justify marking up the GXP over $5K+ over a fully optioned out G8?

I'd still would want a GXP but if it's $40K new then I'll wait for some low mileage used one to purchase.

Flawed logic. What makes you think the oil companies would lower prices given any amount of additional oil reserves? Their surveyors and technicians have already moved into northeast North Dakota while inflating housing prices. Exploration permits are being approved daily. (https://www.dmr.nd.gov/oilgas/dailyindex.asp)

<What makes you think the oil companies would lower prices given any amount of additional oil reserves? >

Guess you never took Economics 1. It's called "Supply and demand"

<What makes you think the oil companies would lower prices given any amount of additional oil reserves? >

Guess you never took Economics 1. It's called "Supply and demand"

No no, its well beyond Economics 101... Its the advance class, that talks about controlling both the supply and the demand, while maxmizing profits and keeping competition at bay. Its like, Economics 301.

Expected price announcement - sometime after Labor Day. IMHO

2009 fullly loaded GT = $34,210

Anything up to and including $5k is still under but close to $40. There is, however, no where near $5k worth of difference between GT and GXP. An engine, yeah, maybe 2500. Subtle exterrior and interior $500, Brakes ans suspension $500, topping out at a 3500 premium. And it is GM's recent practice on some upper level vehicles to charge no difference for tranny where in the distant past an automatic was actually priced higher. As far as GGT, no epa numbers yet, so no idea if. You might be surprised.

As far as GGT, no epa numbers yet, so no idea if. You might be surprised.

the gas tax on the 630+hp zr1 is only 1700....

All the numbers being thrown about are pure speculation, I understand that.

IMHO, at $40K they will sell every car they bring here.

the gas tax on the 630+hp zr1 is only 1700....

Uh, isn't GGT based on MPG, not HP? So if you have an engine that produces 7,000HP, (I know, a huge exaggeration) but gets 25MPG, no GGT. But same engine that gets 8MPG, has a rather hefty GGT. There was a post here, somewhere, that actually had the GGT rates per MPG. Anybody remember where that was?:dunno:

There was a post here, somewhere, that actually had the GGT rates per MPG. Anybody remember where that was?:dunno:

Post #5 (http://www.g8board.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2514)

Uh, isn't GGT based on MPG, not HP? So if you have an engine that produces 7,000HP, (I know, a huge exaggeration) but gets 25MPG, no GGT. But same engine that gets 8MPG, has a rather hefty GGT. There was a post here, somewhere, that actually had the GGT rates per MPG. Anybody remember where that was?:dunno:


i understand that. i am just trying to point out the hypothesis that is being wildly and abundently displayed here is not always the case. and this hypothesis is, that the gxp will have more hp than the gt, so it has to have a 2000+ gas tax on it! this is simply not the case!

as i pointed out earlier the very heavy 500hp gt500 only has a 1300 gas tax. i would not be suprised if the gas tax on the gxp is either 1000 or 1300!

I agree with you but I'm still not going to buy one for $40K.

I think the cost for the upgrades will (should) be closer to $6000. While that still isn't great I think it will make a difference in Pontiac being able to sell the hell out of the GXP and pricing them too high.

My guess/opinions on what the increased charges will be. I think you are pricing the parts without taking into consideration the cost of the parts that they are replacing. I'm guessing that the upgraded parts are going to be rough 20-30% more than the parts they replace.

$8k adds up pretty fast.... if you look at the parts of the whole....

$2k Gas Guzzler tax (:() I can live with this...don't like it but I can accept it.
$1.5k suspension upgrade (probably worth it) Too high of an estimate I would guess $800 over stock
$1.5k oversized brakes (probably worth it, price these stand-alone) Again too high...The GT had great breaks to start with. Only the front gets upgraded so I would guess closer to $1000
$1k for beefier internals and 40+HP over base. (Probably worth it)I agree with you on this. May actually be a low estimate.
$1k Sport interior (worth it)Maybe a little too high. From what I've seen the front seats are the big change and I can't see the new seats costing $1000 more than the stock GT seats
$1k Body moldings (worth it, price buying and painting in the aftermarket)The cost of making these parts and painting them from the factory will be very similar to the cost of the GT parts. If they add charges for these parts then it will be for marketing or greed.

All the above goodies engineered to work together from the factory, under warranty, priceless...:)

Anyone know if the GM friends and family discount will apply to the GXP? I know it doesn't apply to the Corvettes, but not sure about the GXP.

I agree with you but I'm still not going to buy one for $40K.

I think the cost for the upgrades will (should) be closer to $6000. While that still isn't great I think it will make a difference in Pontiac being able to sell the hell out of the GXP and pricing them too high.

My guess/opinions on what the increased charges will be. I think you are pricing the parts without taking into consideration the cost of the parts that they are replacing. I'm guessing that the upgraded parts are going to be rough 20-30% more than the parts they replace.

$8k adds up pretty fast.... if you look at the parts of the whole....

$2k Gas Guzzler tax (:() I can live with this...don't like it but I can accept it.
$1.5k suspension upgrade (probably worth it) Too high of an estimate I would guess $800 over stock
$1.5k oversized brakes (probably worth it, price these stand-alone) Again too high...The GT had great breaks to start with. Only the front gets upgraded so I would guess closer to $1000
$1k for beefier internals and 40+HP over base. (Probably worth it)I agree with you on this. May actually be a low estimate.
$1k Sport interior (worth it)Maybe a little too high. From what I've seen the front seats are the big change and I can't see the new seats costing $1000 more than the stock GT seats
$1k Body moldings (worth it, price buying and painting in the aftermarket)The cost of making these parts and painting them from the factory will be very similar to the cost of the GT parts. If they add charges for these parts then it will be for marketing or greed.

I agree with most of your estimates LS1-SS, except for the brakes & possibly the suspension. Until we get some actual seat time, we won't know which name brand suspension parts will be on the car & how well the car will ride & handle. As for the brakes, that original estimate may be correct. The GT brakes may be good, but if GM/Pontiac are going to throw a brand name like Brembo on the car, it had better stop right f'n now. After re-reading the info on both the GT & the GXP, you are correct that only the front brakes get bigger on the GXP. Buying the front setup from Brembo might cost the average enthusiast over $1K, but GM should absorb any cost over that. But for now, all of our chatter is just wishful thinking. We'll have to wait to see what Pontiac prices the GXP out & see if it's a bargain or a rip-off.

This is my first post here. My intension is to buy a 2009 G8 GXP but if the price is silly that's not going to happen. But I don't think it will be that much of an issue. The price of gas and the economy are conspiring to make car sales very poor. The local dealer near me has 3 G8's and has had them for quite a while.

I don't expect to pay anything near retail for a 2009 G8 GXP, especially if gas bounces off $5 a gallon and they lay off another cabillion locals.

This is my first post here. My intension is to buy a 2009 G8 GXP but if the price is silly that's not going to happen. But I don't think it will be that much of an issue. The price of gas and the economy are conspiring to make car sales very poor. The local dealer near me has 3 G8's and has had them for quite a while.

I don't expect to pay anything near retail for a 2009 G8 GXP, especially if gas bounces off $5 a gallon and they lay off another cabillion locals.

How long is quite a while, and are they V6 or V8 models?

Where do you live that the price of gasoline is causing lots of layoffs?

How long is quite a while, and are they V6 or V8 models?

Where do you live that the price of gasoline is causing lots of layoffs?

All of them are v-8's 2 white, 1 orange. When I went in last month to see if I could fit in one...I'm 6'6", they told me most dealerships were only getting one. They were "special" so they got two. Guess they must be ultra special...now they have 3. I live in SW Ohio...GM is shutting down and I don't mean just a plant or two. I mean they're disapearing from the midwest.

Gas here is now $4.30 for premium. I'm not sure where you read in my post that the price of gas is directly causing layoffs. The price of energy in general is hitting the entire world hard and $5.00 a gallon gas sure won't help.

The car is awesome and I have more room in it than I did my old 96 Impala SS or my current Acura RL. I wish it had sat-nav. I got used to that with the RL. But I guess I could stick a Tom Tom to the window if pushed.

There's been a lot of speculation as to the cost but here the auto dealerships are dying...

... especially if gas bounces off $5 a gallon and they lay off another cabillion locals.

So the dealer new you thinks the G8 is special, well, it is, but not to the point that they hang around for months unsold. Do they have markups over MSRP to make them extra special? I can't see any dealer that wants to sell a G8 GT, having any problems moving them out the door!:slap:

I guess I misunderstood the quote of yours above. I took that to mean the price of gas was causing the layoffs. Guess you meant something else by that?:dunno:

I think he means the plant in Dayton (produces Envoys and Trailblazers). Since the demand has gone down for those (due to gas prices), it's causing GM to shut the plant down.

Sad to see it happen. It was a pretty damn big employer for the area.

I think he means the plant in Dayton (produces Envoys and Trailblazers). Since the demand has gone down for those (due to gas prices), it's causing GM to shut the plant down..

Did gas prices cause the plant to close, or was it the fact that GM is not going to be making those two models anymore? Both are being replaced with Enclave clones, GMC Acadia and Chevy Traverse I do believe are the names. I'm sure gas prices have slowed down the sales of the Envoy and TB too, but how many prospective buyers are just waiting for the new versions, which are said to be vastly improved vehicles:dunno:?

Yes, I'm sure the fact that they were slated to stop production in 2010 had something to do with it, but usually they retool the plant for something else. I'm assuming the plant specializes in body on frame trucks so since demand is down for those, the plant won't be used for anything.

I have no idea how hard it is to retool that plant to make cars. Obviously it's not cost effective. Sad, I'd rather see that plant spitting out Aveo's instead of one in Korea.

...but how many prospective buyers are just waiting for the new versions, which are said to be vastly improved vehicles:dunno:?

The GMC version has been available for over a year.

Sad, I'd rather see that plant spitting out Aveo's instead of one in Korea.

For that to happen you have to see HUGE concessions by the union personnel, which I doubt would ever happen.:wink2:

For that to happen you have to see HUGE concessions by the union personnel, which I doubt would ever happen.:wink2:

For sure, I'm not putting it all on GM's shoulders.

It seems it's always easy to bash the UAW. After all, line workers in the past have made over a 100 grand a year. No I'm not exaggerating or adding benefits in to the equation. Being up on the seniority list and working all the overtime that can be had. I personally knew several at the local GM plants that made more than 6 figures.

Like I say, it’s easy to bash that. I remember one of those guys saying he had a job a monkey could do. His words not mine. I then saw an interview with the president of the UAW Ron Gettelfinger. He said something that really set me thinking about the situation. He said “No matter how little you pay a U.S. autoworker there is always someone that will work for less.” Now where do you go from that? No matter what you give up or concede it will never be enough; truly a dismal situation.

I ask you. Where does this leave the American autoworker?

I keep saying we're all screwed... all the companies and thus the country are getting bought up by foreign interests....

Pretty soon, America will be where all the underwear is sewed together. :)

In case no one realizes, we are now the world's largest 3rd world country...

On a side note, I would like an MT G8 GT, for the same price as the current G8 GT. The GXP is nice, but not $40k MSRP nice...

-mike

The GXP is nice, but not $40k MSRP nice.

MotorTrend's best estimate is ~38K show me another comparable car that sells for less?

I want one but its a poor mans bmw which is barely affordable to the "poor" man then you gotta spend 90-100 to fill it up. Thats just to much. I was going for a gxp but gas might price me out of it. Id buy a gt manual in a heartbeat

MotorTrend's best estimate is ~38K show me another comparable car that sells for less?

But will we be able to purchase the car for 38K?

The G8 GXP will be marked up for sure (for some time). It will arrive at dealerships in limited numbers and saleman will try to get top dollar for them. The GXP will be a showroom piece to bring in customers. Then they can push the customers towards the G8 GT or V6 model.

That's how things work with the Dodge SRT-8s. They bring in customers and then most end up buying the R/T or V6 model.

With tax, title, etc, the GXP's will sell for $40K + out the door (my guess). That puts them out of range for most of us.

For many of us $31k or so (the going price for a G8 GT in my area) is about the limit we want to spend on a new car.

Dealer markups are beside the point, they suck for the typical buyer but they are what they are.

If anybody is not willing or able to spend more than 31K for a car, fine, that is why they offer the GT.

My original question still stands, show me a comparable car that sells for less than $38K. To my knowledge there aren't any.

I can't figure out the exchange rate deal. The Vauxhaul VRX8 is pretty much the same as the Pontiac G8 GXP...right? But the VRX8. in Britain sells for 35,000 pounds or 70,000 dollars. However, the G8 GXP will sell around 38,000 dollars or 19,000 pounds here. It's the same freakin' car! Where the heck is all that extra money going?

I can't figure out the exchange rate deal. The Vauxhaul VRX8 is pretty much the same as the Pontiac G8 GXP...right? But the VRX8. in Britain sells for 35,000 pounds or 70,000 dollars. However, the G8 GXP will sell around 38,000 dollars or 19,000 pounds here. It's the same freakin' car! Where the heck is all that extra money going?

No. The VXR8 is (with some badge swapping) practically the HSV Clubsport/GTS. Same body package, tail light changes, spoilers, & engine, brakes, tires/wheels, etc. We may get some of those parts changed also, but the GXP would not be the same specs as the HSV/VXR.