This time it was a 300c instead of a charger. I was sitting at the light and saw him turn right on the road i was going straight on. I didnt know if he saw me or not cause his windows were tinted. Anyways light turns green and i catch up to him really quick... maybe becuase he was going 30 in the 45 waiting for me lol.

So we get side by side slow down to about 25 and hit it. We stayed even until we had to stop because of traffic. So i get behind him and continue to follow hoping for another run but he hits it so i do the same and were just going WOT until the next light i stay right behind him not loseing any ground not gaining. He turned left gave me a waive. Not bad.

I guess i know my Tune and CAI made a pretty big difference.

Catback is next on the list....

they run low 13's stock, and are dogs on the top end... a tuned and CAI'd G8 will run low 13's and is significantly stronger on the top end... i believe the kill... oh and the extra cog makes a huge diff too...

yes i have had plenty of experience with them, both driving and racing them... key word in your post is eventually, yes they will eventually hit 178, but it will take 3 minutes... i had a mildly modded TB SS that tore apart many SRT's all the way up to 160... they fall flat on their faces at about 120... if you look up the srt8 and the g8's 0-100, i guarantee it will be within .5 of one another...

man i swear i have been on many forums and you guys are the most insecure about your cars usually most of all the other forums we all give each others kudos for their cars. you guys seem to think you can out run anything and nothing is faster a srt will eat a g8 gt's lunch and still have room for desert. when the gxp comes out that may be a different story but dodge has the 6.4 500hp planned next. go to the charger forum and you will be treated with respect. i told him it was a good run if the srt was trying. i was looking at the g8 but the difference between it and the daytona wasnt much when i drove it and the looks really dont do it for me, and mine is paid off. it does have a better suspension and would definitely work a daytona at a road track.
i am a member of the SRT forums, and while they picked on me for awhile for not owning a Mopar, they have become nice... however, i never ran my mouth like you do... i have a friend with a srt8 charger, and he has been dodging me since i got the g8, but i WILL race him this weekend and then post up the results... until then, go back to the charger forum...

link doesn't work there slick, so you have not shown "proof" yet, just one time slip from dragtimes... and for my proof, search the databases at MotorTrend, Roan & Track, etc., theres your proof... i raced plenty of SRT's in my TB SS and beat them handily... i have also driven many SRT's of them as well, so i know this for a fact... also my proof is what i have SEEN on the track and street, not on internet forums, like some... let's see these 6 sites, because i do not believe you about that...

^those times are suspiciously slow compared to what other test data has concluded about the g8's performance data... still though, you have yet to show "proof" of what you claimed...

go here and click on test sheet... 0-100 in 12.7...

http://http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison_test/sedans/2008_pontiac_g8_gt_vs_2008_dodge_charger_r_t_compa rison_test+page-3.html

Well this isnt exactly what i suspected to see when i looked at this thread again. I know he was trying. I know WOT when i here it. This is no way i made up story either. It was neck and neck until we both had to stop for traffic....

Actually, Edmunds tested these two cars head to head and the results were what the op saw:
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2009/pontiac/g8/101006379/roadtestarticle.html&articleId=124876

yes i have had plenty of experience with them, both driving and racing them... key word in your post is eventually, yes they will eventually hit 178, but it will take 3 minutes... i had a mildly modded TB SS that tore apart many SRT's all the way up to 160... they fall flat on their faces at about 120... if you look up the srt8 and the g8's 0-100, i guarantee it will be within .5 of one another...

Do you even know what you are talking about? Maybe you were racing a 2.7 liter that was badged as a SRT. :judge:

Car and Driver tested the SRT-8, it ran 0-150 in 30.7 seconds, and kept going strong up to 173MPH.

it was a joke... plus my TB SS had about 600 HP... mildly modded, lol...

i forgot edmunds tested them like that... thanks for the info...

wow... this post really went nowhere fast.
i really dont think he was trying or something those things are 425hp and bad ass. if you hung then that was pretty amazing good run but i would think he would take you pretty easily. anywhere from 4.5-4.8 0-60 i have seen posted by those cars.

A tune and a CAI should keep the G8 in the running with a SRT-8 until you hit crazy speeds. Quoting 0-60 numbers is stupid for a rolling race. The G8 is slightly lighter and has more gears to play with. Add in the 20-35hp for the tune and intake and you have yourself a drivers race from a roll on the street. Remember, it is street racing not magazine racing. Anything can happen.

The only SRT-8 that is a dog topend is the Jeep.

man i swear i have been on many forums and you guys are the most insecure about your cars usually most of all the other forums we all give each others kudos for their cars. you guys seem to think you can out run anything and nothing is faster a srt will eat a g8 gt's lunch and still have room for desert. when the gxp comes out that may be a different story but dodge has the 6.4 500hp planned next. go to the charger forum and you will be treated with respect. i told him it was a good run if the srt was trying. i was looking at the g8 but the difference between it and the daytona wasnt much when i drove it and the looks really dont do it for me, and mine is paid off. it does have a better suspension and would definitely work a daytona at a road track.

^Commas, capital letters and punctuation are your friends. Room for desert? (Sahara or Arabian) Are you in 8th grade or 9th? Please go back to English class. My eyes hurt from reading this.

For all that money that's all you get, I feel sorry for them guy's who paid $45,000 for the srt8.... But I really feel sorry for the guy who bought the daytona wow $36,000 for a few more grand he could have had a srt8.

Ok the srt8 is $15,000 more. Isn't that crazy?

$15,000? LMAO. I told you a million times not to exaggerate!

I just got off the chrysler website the 300c srt8 is 45k, the g8 gt is 29k.

You check it out since I'm lying $44,705 for the base 2008 300 srt8.

Ok $14,705 more, where I'm from we call that $15,000.

Ok $14,705 more, where I'm from we call that $15,000.

Base price on the SRT8 Charger is $37,500. Most come fully loaded since SRT8 owners are not penny pinchers. Funny how everyone compares the base model with cloth seats and skinnies to the fully loaded competition and then bitch about the price difference. Drive what you like, and what you can afford. You ever hear the saying "don't protest too much?"

oh thats right you are all paying msrp prices right now for your g8's right?


Actually..........I got $1500 shaved off mine, and the windows tinted! So some retraction on your part may be needed!:judge:

doeth(sp?) protest too much...

And really, I didn't pay much attention, but how much OVER were people paying for Chargers and 300Cs when they first came out?

I thought we were talking about the 300 srt8, stay focused. Chryslers website listed the 2008 300 srt8 at $44,705.

Why is there a SLOWPAR guy on our G8 site talking trash?????:ban:

I compared base model price to base model price. $29k to $44k. skinnys to skinnys lol

lol im going to a mopar meet tomorrow with a couple of my friends that drive mags and chargers lets see what the rest of the crowd does when a g8 rolls up.
Crowd: get the f*** outta here man
lol we'll see

Lets just clear up the pricing... base srt8 charger 35,320. Now in my situtation i picked up a loaded G8 GT for 31k with tax out the door. Hmmmm what could i do with the extra 4k+. O yes thats right. Mod it. Roll up to a member like wrl6229 and put his ****y attitude in its place. There for dollar per dollar the G8 is the better car. Just remember the money that we save we can use for modding.

So your picked up a srt8 charger loaded for 29,900. Do you expect anyone to believe that? Also, do you see anyone G8 owners on your forums talking ****?

I think wrl6229 got the ban stick or he deleted every post!!! It's that way on my thread too. Maybe he saw the GM light!!!!!

Ya i think he got the ban stick. I searched him and it came up as no member found. It sucks that he couldn't just layoff the diss's and just talk normally. There is a difference between disrespecting members/car and disagreeing.

:ban:FTW!!!!

sweet now it looks like i got in an argument with myself up there...

this is for the charger fan boi, who is no doubt on the charger forum moping...

http://www.destructoid.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/banstick.jpg

i said a tuned and CAI'd g8 would do so, and i think it will... stock for stock the srt8 will blow the doors off a g8 top end...

Good runs and you must have a strong running G8.

Something to think about.
The G8's 6 speed auto may also have helped you stay with him. I'm not an expert when it comes to the SRT-8s 5 speed automatic. It may have some weak spots from a roll.

My 06 A4 GTO has a terrible weak spot around 35-45mph. From those speeds the transmission drops to a very low rpm in 2rd gear and the car doesn't pull very hard at all. I wouldn't dought a G8 GT easily keeping up (for a while) with my GTO from that speed.


But as we know, stock vs stock in a real drag race (dead stop) an SRT-8 would have no trouble with a G8.
I believe the SRT-8s dyno in the 370 rwhp range. Thats a good 50+ rwhp more than a G8, and their weights is very similar.

Its pretty common to see them running low 13s @ 107 mph in decent air. In -DA conditions (winter air) they can easily break into the high 12s @ 109 mph.

So they're definately fast.

Good runs and you must have a strong running G8.

Something to think about.
The G8's 6 speed auto may also have helped you stay with him. I'm not an expert when it comes to the SRT-8s 5 speed automatic. It may have some weak spots from a roll.

My 06 A4 GTO has a terrible weak spot around 35-45mph. From those speeds the transmission drops to a very low rpm in 3rd gear and the car doesn't pull very hard at all. I wouldn't dought a G8 GT easily keeping up (for a while) with my GTO from that speed.


But as we know, stock vs stock in a real drag race (dead stop) an SRT-8 would have no trouble with a G8.
I believe the SRT-8s dyno in the 370 rwhp range. Thats a good 50+ rwhp more than a G8, and their weights is very similar.

Its pretty common to see them running low 13s @ 107 mph in decent air. In -DA conditions (winter air) they can easily break into the high 12s @ 109 mph.

So they're definately fast.

Very truthful post...the best I've ran in mine is 13.14s @ 108.5mph.

You guys are pretty lucky to have tuning options so early into the game. It took DiabloSport about 2 years to get a good one for us.

Anywho...nice run.

Keith

I was reading the motor trend on the SRT8 Challenger...that thing seems like a beast...
They tested it 13.0 flat...at like 112mph or something..The gearing in the rear is slighlty better than ours.. 3.20s ? But I think the ratios in the tranny are much better suited for that powertrain..( same as Charger??) . First isnt as low but its closer ratios for the quarter in the first 3 gears...I think 3rd tops out like 122 and 4th was crazy...no limitor on top speed...4th goes 170mph! I duno why people on here commeted the dodges arent good for top end..but that is way fast...
I think our 6speed is wasted with 2 overdrives...I would rather have closer ratios gears in the tranny....our 3rd tops out like what 105-108 ish??
I would think it limits us in the trap speed as we gain more power...it will have to shift into 4th...but we know that is a VERy slow shift and puts it way down on the powerband in 4th.... I dont think the rear end gears is the answer....One of the Aussie guys on here running 11 something in his Commodore said it would be faster with the 2.90s cause of exactly what I was thinking with that 4th gear shift . Maybe taller tires for drag duty and drag only tires would really have some advantage..IMHO....

I was reading the motor trend on the SRT8 Challenger...that thing seems like a beast...
They tested it 13.0 flat...at like 112mph or something..The gearing in the rear is slighlty better than ours.. 3.20s ? But I think the ratios in the tranny are much better suited for that powertrain..( same as Charger??) . First isnt as low but its closer ratios for the quarter in the first 3 gears...I think 3rd tops out like 122 and 4th was crazy...no limitor on top speed...4th goes 170mph! I duno why people on here commeted the dodges arent good for top end..but that is way fast...
I think our 6speed is wasted with 2 overdrives...I would rather have closer ratios gears in the tranny....our 3rd tops out like what 105-108 ish??
I would think it limits us in the trap speed as we gain more power...it will have to shift into 4th...but we know that is a VERy slow shift and puts it way down on the powerband in 4th.... I dont think the rear end gears is the answer....One of the Aussie guys on here running 11 something in his Commodore said it would be faster with the 2.90s cause of exactly what I was thinking with that 4th gear shift . Maybe taller tires for drag duty and drag only tires would really have some advantage..IMHO....

The entire powertrain is exactly the same between the SRT8 Challenger and the SRT8 Charger. The rear gear ratio is 3.06:1. The Challenger might weigh ~100 lbs lighter...but not 100% sure.

Keith

Very truthful post...the best I've ran in mine is 13.14s @ 108.5mph.

You guys are pretty lucky to have tuning options so early into the game. It took DiabloSport about 2 years to get a good one for us.

Anywho...nice run.

Keith

lol, i remember that... it was a huge deciding factor in why i got my TBSS rather than any of the SRT8's... still though, i love the SRT8's and will prob pick one up later down the road...

Any SRT stock for stock would most likely embarass are g8's. I would love to run one to find out the outcome. I have however ran a friend in an RT Magnum that has a tune, longtubes, cai and other miscellaneous things, and he will pull about 2 cars on me. The hemi engine 5.7 and 6.1, is a torque monster when it's potential is unleashed. Hopefully when I get my tune the tables will turn and I may be able to hang with some srts. If not, a turbo kit will remedy that...

I just got off the chrysler website the 300c srt8 is 45k, the g8 gt is 29k.

Hey guys! How goes it? Pretty awesome the G8 has a tuner already. I had to wait over 2 years!

S/b some good races. Any quirks with the G8 with racing? With the SRT-8, the ESP should be partially/fully off.

From a roll, knowing the gearing is critical. 70mph is a deadspot in 3rd., 35mph not much better in 2nd. Oops! There's a hint for you all...

Anyway, not fair to the G8 comparing a loaded 300C SRT-8 vs. a base G8 in price, content and options. More content in the 300C than even the Charger.

I see this thread corrected itself nicely too.

Matt, stop dude.... The BS is getting to much....

Hey atlas, I really doubt your mildly modded TBSS out runs SRT8's to 160 . For one the TBSS will need at least 520 to the wheels to go that fast as I have one ( 2 wd) and it has a 402 with a kenny bell supercharger on it with 552 at the wheels and I will rape SRT8's till about 125, then the barn door aerodynamics of the TBSS kick in and the SRT8's pass me.

SRT8's run to about 168 not 178. I tested them for Diamler. Stock TBSS run 0-60 in 5.8 sec as a two wheel drive and 6.2 sec in a 4 wd model.

I thought we were talking about the 300 srt8, stay focused. Chryslers website listed the 2008 300 srt8 at $44,705.

WOW - 45 large. I almost bought a Magnum SRT8 a couple of years ago but they wanted $42K and I thought that was absurd.

I can't believe anyone would buy a 300c pimpmobile for $45K - I sure hope the folks that are calculating the pricing on the GXP right now don't get any ideas...I really want a GXP but NOT for $45K.

I was reading the motor trend on the SRT8 Challenger...that thing seems like a beast...
They tested it 13.0 flat...at like 112mph or something..The gearing in the rear is slighlty better than ours.. 3.20s ? But I think the ratios in the tranny are much better suited for that powertrain..( same as Charger??) . First isnt as low but its closer ratios for the quarter in the first 3 gears...I think 3rd tops out like 122 and 4th was crazy...no limitor on top speed...4th goes 170mph! I duno why people on here commeted the dodges arent good for top end..but that is way fast...
I think our 6speed is wasted with 2 overdrives...I would rather have closer ratios gears in the tranny....our 3rd tops out like what 105-108 ish??
I would think it limits us in the trap speed as we gain more power...it will have to shift into 4th...but we know that is a VERy slow shift and puts it way down on the powerband in 4th.... I dont think the rear end gears is the answer....One of the Aussie guys on here running 11 something in his Commodore said it would be faster with the 2.90s cause of exactly what I was thinking with that 4th gear shift . Maybe taller tires for drag duty and drag only tires would really have some advantage..IMHO....

I think you're a little bit confused. If the Charger/Challenger get up to 122mph in 3rd (I doubt it, but possible) and the G8 gets up to 105-108, then the G8 has much shorter gears which are BETTER for drag racing. Keeps the car in the powerband. You said you don't want two overdrive gears, but then you say you want to spread the gears out farther?


BTW, I finally got to race a Charger SRT-8 on the track this weekend. The track was slick and the weather was horrible (correcting for DA knocked a half-second off my time and added 4mph), plus it was my first night on drag radials. The Charger was on street tires so he had more trouble off the line than me, but it still didn't go well for him. (Yes, I jumped the light by .008 seconds, so sue me).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-ZIGFxa28A

Corrected he ran about a 13.3 (about right considering his launch) and I ran a 12.7. Not my best run of the night, but good enough :D

Nicely done!

WOW - 45 large. I almost bought a Magnum SRT8 a couple of years ago but they wanted $42K and I thought that was absurd.

I can't believe anyone would buy a 300c pimpmobile for $45K - I sure hope the folks that are calculating the pricing on the GXP right now don't get any ideas...I really want a GXP but NOT for $45K.

Because for the last 3 years a 4door automatic that handles well and runs low 13s would mean spending $80k.

It has a nicer interior and more options than the Charger. Just wait until the GXP is priced and see how many option and standard equipment it has too.

I think you're a little bit confused. If the Charger/Challenger get up to 122mph in 3rd (I doubt it, but possible) and the G8 gets up to 105-108, then the G8 has much shorter gears which are BETTER for drag racing. Keeps the car in the powerband. You said you don't want two overdrive gears, but then you say you want to spread the gears out farther?


Know your cars: 48mph in 1st, 79mph in 2nd, 123mph in 3rd, 173mph in 4th.

Shorter gears are only better for drag racing if the shift quality is fast and well matched to the final drive ratio. If you're at the bottom of the gear crossing the timing lights it means the gearing is not optimal for drag racing.

My 06 GTO (4 speed automatic)
1st - 46 mph
2nd - 88 mph
3rd - 143 mph
4th - top speed

Even though 3rd gear takes you all the way to 143mph, it works really well for drag racing.
But because of the way the gears are spread out, its not very good from certain roll speeds. You get weak/low performance zones from certain speeds.
But when running wide open (drag racing) the 4 speed setup works really well for keeping the car in the power.

Know your cars: 48mph in 1st, 79mph in 2nd, 123mph in 3rd, 173mph in 4th.

Shorter gears are only better for drag racing if the shift quality is fast and well matched to the final drive ratio. If you're at the bottom of the gear crossing the timing lights it means the gearing is not optimal for drag racing.

True, if the car takes 1/2 second to shift you want to avoid as many as possible. But assuming that it shifts reasonably well, shorter gearing is better because it keeps you in the powerband in each gear, rather than having to build back up to it after shifting. My point was that what he was contradicting himself, not to discuss the particular merits of a specific car's gearing.

I think you're a little bit confused. If the Charger/Challenger get up to 122mph in 3rd (I doubt it, but possible) and the G8 gets up to 105-108, then the G8 has much shorter gears which are BETTER for drag racing. Keeps the car in the powerband. You said you don't want two overdrive gears, but then you say you want to spread the gears out farther?

The point was that I am all tapped out at end of third...that gear is not as tall to put you through at at a very high trap speed...vs the SRT8s..
I want the interal gears to be CLOSER ratios....just wanting 3rd to be slightly taller for higher trap..the 3 to 4 shift takes WAAAY too long in for quarter duty...but since we have 2 OD...3rd is the gear we are stuck with in the quarter ( as of now)...I think with the VMS tune or another tune adding some RPMs...( can we get more than 250 additional ??) and a taller tire in the rear could maybe be a solution..(?)
The dodges ..dont have to shift outa 3rd..they have all the way to 127 plus..i think this wouldve helped out or cars too or having 1 - 5 closer ratio with just one OD, i just dont like the spacing of the gears from 3 to 4th and above..

Know your cars: 48mph in 1st, 79mph in 2nd, 123mph in 3rd, 173mph in 4th.

Shorter gears are only better for drag racing if the shift quality is fast and well matched to the final drive ratio. If you're at the bottom of the gear crossing the timing lights it means the gearing is not optimal for drag racing.
exactly...i think when i cars hit 4th automatically in the quarter it slows you down....but keeping it in 3rd manually I am tapped out at 101 mph...( at least throught the quarter) I have the 18 inchers btw...and stock tune--hoping to improve on that..

If Vector does your tune, your shifts will be at higher rpm's. You'll be farther before you hit the rev limiter. No need to change the gears.

I love the way the front of the SRTs look.:wink2:

The point was that I am all tapped out at end of third...that gear is not as tall to put you through at at a very high trap speed...vs the SRT8s..
I want the interal gears to be CLOSER ratios....just wanting 3rd to be slightly taller for higher trap..the 3 to 4 shift takes WAAAY too long in for quarter duty...but since we have 2 OD...3rd is the gear we are stuck with in the quarter ( as of now)...I think with the VMS tune or another tune adding some RPMs...( can we get more than 250 additional ??) and a taller tire in the rear could maybe be a solution..(?)
The dodges ..dont have to shift outa 3rd..they have all the way to 127 plus..i think this wouldve helped out or cars too or having 1 - 5 closer ratio with just one OD, i just dont like the spacing of the gears from 3 to 4th and above..


exactly...i think when i cars hit 4th automatically in the quarter it slows you down....but keeping it in 3rd manually I am tapped out at 101 mph...( at least throught the quarter) I have the 18 inchers btw...and stock tune--hoping to improve on that..

I can hit 110 in 3rd with my VMS tune before the rev limiter cuts in.

It pulls strong all the way to 110, too. :wink2:

The point was that I am all tapped out at end of third...that gear is not as tall to put you through at at a very high trap speed...vs the SRT8s..
I want the interal gears to be CLOSER ratios....just wanting 3rd to be slightly taller for higher trap..the 3 to 4 shift takes WAAAY too long in for quarter duty...but since we have 2 OD...3rd is the gear we are stuck with in the quarter ( as of now)...I think with the VMS tune or another tune adding some RPMs...( can we get more than 250 additional ??) and a taller tire in the rear could maybe be a solution..(?)
The dodges ..dont have to shift outa 3rd..they have all the way to 127 plus..i think this wouldve helped out or cars too or having 1 - 5 closer ratio with just one OD, i just dont like the spacing of the gears from 3 to 4th and above..

exactly...i think when i cars hit 4th automatically in the quarter it slows you down....but keeping it in 3rd manually I am tapped out at 101 mph...( at least throught the quarter) I have the 18 inchers btw...and stock tune--hoping to improve on that..



I had an 04 STi and one of the biggest problems when drag racing was the very close ratio 6 speed tranny. The STi's gears were so closely spaced that you had to shift into 5th gear (yes 5th gear) right at the end of the 1/4 mile. (4th gear only went to like 95mph).
Having to do all that shifting going down the track slowed you down, especially having to shift right near the end of a 1/4 mile.

I am getting the tune very soon....I hope it will give me some more MPH...
Does Vector raise the Rpms about 250 rpm..?? Can we get away with more safely??

I am getting the tune very soon....I hope it will give me some more MPH...
Does Vector raise the Rpms about 250 rpm..?? Can we get away with more safely??

Absolutely.:driving:

Awesome.!!..Charile..what did you have Vector do to your Rpms..what did you have it set at ??
With the top speed limitor removed ..any idea on what it would do top end with the tune..and Intake../ exhaust??
today in Cali...we have a GTG with some G8s and goats..go Kart racing and than to Hooters...
Hows the G8 sceane out there in Tx? Have you meet up with any owners or anything?? There still pretty rare out here...I think in my area..theres about 4 owners that at least are on here...but like 50 GTOs..so I ended up hanging out the Goats..they are all pretty cool owners.

6200 rpm shift points. I have not seen another one on the road yet. I will be seeing Texasg8 on the 5th, and hopefully a few more. I believe Kirk said it had a 186 limiter. Topend is OK. 0-130 is acceptable, but 140-161 took so long I changed zip codes. That is just a cam swap away from fixing that. Charlie

If you start modding, then it's game over for any srt8.
They simply can not compete due to tuning and drivetrain restrictions.

Who does stock anyways? :)

If you start modding, then it's game over for any srt8.
They simply can not compete due to tuning and drivetrain restrictions.

Who does stock anyways? :)

Really, who says?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shL_CaPtko4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_C28edO6udM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRA0F4ek2lQ&feature=related

If you start modding, then it's game over for any srt8.
They simply can not compete due to tuning and drivetrain restrictions.

Who does stock anyways? :)

You're going to be very, very disappointed. The best tuned G8s seem to be is 107-108mph. SRTs 113-114mph. Need a tuned GXP vs. tuned SRT8 and it will probably be a drivers race.

For 40k you can get a Challenger that does 0-60 in 4.7 1/4 mile in 13.1. For 35kish you can get a g8 to do the same or less in my case and have 2 xtra doors, and better gas mileage and it weighs less.

For 40k you can get a Challenger that does 0-60 in 4.7 1/4 mile in 13.1. For 35kish you can get a g8 to do the same or less in my case and have 2 xtra doors, and better gas mileage and it weighs less.

Or, $5k more gets you a Corvette. What's your point? We won't even go into the styling or modding part. A 100lbs is much of a savings in this category either.

You're going to be very, very disappointed. The best tuned G8s seem to be is 107-108mph. SRTs 113-114mph. Need a tuned GXP vs. tuned SRT8 and it will probably be a drivers race.

That's nice, but what is the ET? MPH doesn't win races.

All I know is the G8 can be modded like any other car..and styling is subjective...
I wanted a car that was newer and not common...and NOT a copy of a 60s -70s muscle car.Ive owned them...before..wanted something new
Any how...I dont go on Dodge , Mustang , or Honda websites and say our G8s are the fastest thing out there...or the greatest....whats the point..This is a website for owners or pro pontiac people to talk about and what they like and dislike about the car and areas to improve.

Deuuuce ( sorry if misspelled)
do they still run out in SJ at Bailey ave by the IBm??
I have a mail order tune coming withing 2-3 weeks.and maybe a few other things included in the box coming out my way..once it gets here I can put everything on within 24 hrs....Id like to run ya sometime..see how it goes..:driving:
Or you can come up to sac raceway....do it legit..
:)

That's nice, but what is the ET? MPH doesn't win races.

The tuned SRT8's are running 12.7 to 13.0 consistently.

Or, $5k more gets you a Corvette. What's your point? We won't even go into the styling or modding part. A 100lbs is much of a savings in this category either.

Big, bad, SRT8! You are just mad beacause you spent all that money and get ****ty gas mileage, no resale value, and still cant beat ME. I love how the die hard Mopar fans come out and speak their minds. Bottom line, dollar for dollar you will never beat me, and I will never be accused of having a fake Bentley.

^best post ever, lol... and he can back it up...

Big, bad, SRT8! You are just mad beacause you spent all that money and get ****ty gas mileage, no resale value, and still cant beat ME. I love how the die hard Mopar fans come out and speak their minds. Bottom line, dollar for dollar you will never beat me, and I will never be accused of having a fake Bentley.

lmao love it

Deuuuce ( sorry if misspelled)
do they still run out in SJ at Bailey ave by the IBm??
I have a mail order tune coming withing 2-3 weeks.and maybe a few other things included in the box coming out my way..once it gets here I can put everything on within 24 hrs....Id like to run ya sometime..see how it goes..:driving:
Or you can come up to sac raceway....do it legit..
:)

Not sure, that's a bit south of me and probably a crowd I don't want to hang around at my age.

It would be great to run you - that would be fun! I've found Sears Point to be closer, cheaper, better prepped and easier to get our timeslips after each run.

Big, bad, SRT8! You are just mad beacause you spent all that money and get ****ty gas mileage, no resale value, and still cant beat ME. I love how the die hard Mopar fans come out and speak their minds. Bottom line, dollar for dollar you will never beat me, and I will never be accused of having a fake Bentley.

You must have me confused with an R/T owner. Here's the really funny part. I've trapped 108mph on CAI only and can beat you in a straight line on 91 Octane and no question on a road circuit with my (stock) superior suspension and brakes.

Come to Sears Point and Laguna Seca with enough money to cover my entry fees because that is a foregone conclusion.

15 city / 21 hwy with my tune and driving works fine for me.

As far as resale value, not a good idea for a fellow domestic owner to go there. Usually low 13sec cars do not depreciate much but since there is a gas crisis, things have changed. The G8 GT and GXP won't be any better.

SRT-8 owners do not regret their choices as G8 owners don't (for good reasons) either. I'm a fan of virtually all makes, btw.

That's nice, but what is the ET? MPH doesn't win races.

It does from a roll. ETs are 60ft (and in our case, shifting characteristic) dependent. It also means getting passed on the straights between the turns.

The quirk with the SRT-8 is a horrible 2-3 shift after start-up. With a short drive from the pits to the timing lights, it can mean a 3mph and .3ET difference.

Not sure, that's a bit south of me and probably a crowd I don't want to hang around at my age.

It would be great to run you - that would be fun! I've found Sears Point to be closer, cheaper, better prepped and easier to get our timeslips after each run.

I can meet ya half way...Sears point, I heard is way better...Sac very slippery....bad air..
hot hot hot also...
So I should be set to go very shortly ...just waiting on a response back from a vendor about the dowload cable thing..
should be set up by Mid July..
Whats your best run so far .?..Ive showed ya mine..can ya show me yours hehe
Im going to guess corrected track mod...Sears point vs Sac is worth .2 tenths..so Im probaly about 13.6 as of now at that track ( guesstimate)
OH and I raced out at Baily by IBM in the early 90s... used to be up to 100 cars.>( not likely anymore) but had ages 16 -75 out there before...

Did I say anything about road racing? I said dolllar for dollar. Your 12.71 is not faster then a 12.70 unless thats MOPAR math.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNyxpFrTvfY&eurl=http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=251963

I can meet ya half way...Sears point, I heard is way better...Sac very slippery....bad air..
hot hot hot also...
So I should be set to go very shortly ...just waiting on a response back from a vendor about the dowload cable thing..
should be set up by Mid July..
Whats your best run so far .?..Ive showed ya mine..can ya show me yours hehe
Im going to guess corrected track mod...Sears point vs Sac is worth .2 tenths..so Im probaly about 13.6 as of now at that track ( guesstimate)
OH and I raced out at Baily by IBM in the early 90s... used to be up to 100 cars.>( not likely anymore) but had ages 16 -75 out there before...

12.715 @ 111mph. Sears is definitely the way to go. 13.6s is definitely obtainable for you.

Did I say anything about road racing? I said dolllar for dollar. Your 12.71 is not faster then a 12.70 unless thats MOPAR math.

You wouldn't want to know what I would run on the same day/conditions/track you ran 12.70 @ 108mph. Very impressive, nonetheless.

But it's a fun debate!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNyxpFrTvfY&eurl=http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=251963

13.49 for the Challenger?? He is probally thinking what we all where thinking ...WTF!!! I swear the mags get tuned cars or run some place no one knows about...cause they are pull serioulsy faster times than than actual owners..
On the Dodge boards there saying 13.0 from the mags is slow..that they run 12s stock..sigh. Denial is hard....we went through it...still are IMHO
..Havent seen any 12s stock slips yet though..just like a majority of G8 owners havent yet seen 13.5 (yes I know a lucky few of you have...just not us other guys yet)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx8AUWIt-g4&NR=1

Hot Rod magazine guys .testing a Challeger SRT 8 with CAI, Cat back and Diablo tune in the 8th mile..
guesstimate correction for 1/4 mile duty.. "bottom 13s, maybe TOuching 12s"
would support time above for STock Challenger...looks like we can keep up with these things..

Did I say anything about road racing? I said dolllar for dollar. Your 12.71 is not faster then a 12.70 unless thats MOPAR math.

LOL! Mopar math!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx8AUWIt-g4&NR=1

Hot Rod magazine guys .testing a Challeger SRT 8 with CAI, Cat back and Diablo tune in the 8th mile..
guesstimate correction for 1/4 mile duty.. "bottom 13s, maybe TOuching 12s"
would support time above for STock Challenger...looks like we can keep up with these things..

If 'keep up' means lagging by 3-5 cars in the 1/4, then you are correct. The GXP will be the SRT8 equivalent. There are too many variables to try to bench race using unrelated data points. We have seen stock G8's run between 13.5 and 14.2, and have seen stock SRTs run between 12.9 and 13.6. Pick the numbers you like and run with them? :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx8AUWIt-g4&NR=1

Hot Rod magazine guys .testing a Challeger SRT 8 with CAI, Cat back and Diablo tune in the 8th mile..
guesstimate correction for 1/4 mile duty.. "bottom 13s, maybe TOuching 12s"
would support time above for STock Challenger...looks like we can keep up with these things..

Of course the first 8.227 run would be a 12.70 or better.

Those guys sucked! Hilarious. DRs and hitting 1.9 60fts. What a joke.

The Diablo tuner is basically a guarantee for a 12sec run w/ the SRT-8s.

You wouldn't want to know what I would run on the same day/conditions/track you ran 12.70 @ 108mph. Very impressive, nonetheless.

But it's a fun debate!

$ for $. When I get to the point have have 5k less the you invested in your car, what then? How much will u have to spend without a power adder to run 11s or even low low 12s? Like I said, " I like the way the front of SRT-8s look". I think they are nice cars that are way overpriced. I bought the G8 and not the GXP because the cost difference to me was not worth it. I can have a faster, better handling,better braking G8 for less. For me allI have to do is buy parts, most at wholesale and 0 labor costs. I looked a red R/T and it was 8k more then the G8. I blew 1 of them away when I was stock! The Challenger by far is the best retro car ever made. If I could have got a deal I would have 1 of them too.

All this bickering over who's fastest is getting old!

This cost vs. performance stuff can go on to no end. Hell you can make a Honda faster than Corvette if you really want to.

One things for certain...Money buys speed...how fast do you want to go?

I think too many people are focus too much on which mods with X amount of $$$ will beat the other. Simply put if you're budgeting your mods to see which car is faster based on performance you'll eventually win. It's the old adage who can go faster for less money theory.

If you're talking stock vs stock between the SRT8 and the G8 GT I will bet pink slips the SRT8 will win every time in the 1/4 over the GT G8...PERIOD!!! Yes the SRT cost more but you get the expected results!

It's obvious the true match up stock for stock will be the GXP G8 vs the SRT8.

All this bickering over who's fastest is getting old!

This cost vs. performance stuff can go on to no end. Hell you can make a Honda faster than Corvette if you really want to.



Yep, I agree. True car enthusiasts should not be quibbling over .0001 second as "my car is better than yours". That is a fan-boi. I dig the G8, and the SRT8 too.

Buy American Muscle, don't be a Girlie Man!!!!!!

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x79/roman371/0630_arnold_schwarzenegger_pcn_exc.jpg

The problem is that when people spend 40-50k on a new car no matter who made it they have a tendency to think they are unbeatable, own the road etc. I could have TT my car the day I bought it, 557RWHP, then this thread would have ended a whole lot sooner. Only Vipers and Z06s would have been commenting. I chose the N/A route because that is all most can afford, and I knew it would be easier on the stock short block and driveline. My point is for about 5k less then a SRT-8 a G8 is more then capable of out performing them. This is a G8 board right?

The problem is that when people spend 40-50k on a new car no matter who made it they have a tendency to think they are unbeatable, own the road etc. I could have TT my car the day I bought it, 557RWHP, then this thread would have ended a whole lot sooner. Only Vipers and Z06s would have been commenting. I chose the N/A route because that is all most can afford, and I knew it would be easier on the stock short block and driveline. My point is for about 5k less then a SRT-8 a G8 is more then capable of out performing them. This is a G8 board right?

Typical. No car is unbeatable, when the mods begin all bets are off. I would expect the logic above to be found on the modded-Civic forums than here. Enjoy what you drive, and if you are an enthusiast, appreciate other cars at the same time. No reason for me to hate my SRT if I buy a GXP. I have the garage space and coin to keep 3 cars at one time, even different brands, god forbid :).

Considering that I mod the big 3, I do appreciate all American muscle. It is obvious that your S-L-O-P-A-R mentality is just to be argumentative. If u can not comprehend $ for $, then let me know how my taillights look and if u can read my license plate by the time we hit 3rd gear. If by chance u can or I will even say u beat me, then tell yourself "wow I coulda had a G8" and 10k in the bank.

You still have a car with less factory equipment that will also be worth less when you sell it. The modded argument is ridiculous.

It's like Terminator guys vs. Z-06 guys. Big deal.

You still have a car with less factory equipment that will also be worth less when you sell it. The modded argument is ridiculous.

It's like Terminator guys vs. Z-06 guys. Big deal.


:whine::whine::whine::whine::whine::whine::whine:: whine::slap:

I could have TT my car the day I bought it, 557RWHP, then this thread would have ended a whole lot sooner. Only Vipers and Z06s would have been commenting.


Ok SpeedRacer, we have your number. Take it easy on those Vettes, you are a terror. :drink:

You know I cant figure this out. It is like you are brain washed into believing that if you think it cant be fast or the fact that your little MOPAR gizmos make it worth 10k or more. NOT. So I will end this once and for all, for 32k the G8 is the best bang for the buck. For under 35k I too have over 425hp at the flywheel. The SRT-8s are very nice, fast cars. It does not mean they are the best or fastest. It all comes down to personal preference. Charlie

I agree the G8 GT is the clear choice in the low $30k range. But the best bang-for-the-buck since the demise of the LS2 GTO is the Ford Mustang GT.

This has been a good debate/commentary and not dissimiliar to the R/T vs. SRT8 debates on the LX body forums (LX/Charger/300C).

However, the fold-down rear seats, nav, bluetooth and SRT-8 Track Experience along with the stock performance/handling with the purchase are invaluable for some. Only the GXP has a chance of displacing our "loyalties". Personally, I'm a fan of all performance makes and am so glad a domestic like the G8 joins the ranks. At least our hood scoops are functional though......;)

Unfortunately, neither of our 2-ton babies will compete in the SCCA and they sure won't rule the dragstrip, either.

Charlie, the link below is only for your reference, since we're both competitive, it's a good source of info. However, heads/cam, converter and DRs looks like high 11s rather easily.

I do have a question about your 12.70 @ 108mph run though - was that on OEM tires or DRs and what was your 60ft? Besides track/conditions, it could be an indicator of the superior transmission ratios.

http://www.lxforums.com/board/timeslips.php

I do have a question about your 12.70 @ 108mph run though - was that on OEM tires or DRs and what was your 60ft? Besides track/conditions, it could be an indicator of the superior transmission ratios.


http://www.g8board.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3793

Deuuuce just reminded me about the SRT track experience. That was a blast to beat on all the SRT's except for the Viper (no seat time on the road course) understandably so with 600 hp V10 just waiting to be stabbed.

I understand and admire GRRRR8 quest to have a SRT8 beater for less than the price of one. It's a testament and flattering to the SRT's benchmark performance that has the G8 crowd gunning for. But when you realistically add up all the go and whoa parts to out perform a SRT then you'll be right at or over price of a low options SRT8.

Which brings me back to the 'best bang for the buck' part. You spend all that extra cash you saved on buying a G8 vs buying a SRT to make your G8 out perform a SRT, then you might as well waited a bit longer and get yourself the GXP version.

I think to the best bang for the buck theory on the GT G8 should be compared the GXP G8. Lets choose the GXP G8 as your benchmark against modding your GT. Buy your GT G8 brand new. Make it go faster, handle better and stop quicker for the same or less than the PRICE of a base model/ low optioned GXP G8 (aside from the exclusivity of the other small differences of owning a LS3 corvette powered G8 GXP) then you'll have my complete un-bias attention.

Until then I'll save the extra dough and pass on the GT G8 for the GXP one!

At least our hood scoops are functional though......;)

The G8's hood scoops are functional as well, they're just not used for Ram Air. They're used for bringing cool air into the engine compartment.

All this is well and good, but as far as the Charger/Magnum/300C SRT-8s go, you will not beat the G8 on a road course.


Oh, and apples to apples comparisons can only be done on the G8 GXP to the SRT-8s. As both those cars are in the same category.

Apples to Apples for the G8 GT can only be done on Charger RTs, Magnum RTs, and 300Cs. :) :driving:

All this is well and good, but as far as the Charger/Magnum/300C SRT-8s go, you will not beat the G8 on a road course.
. :) :driving:


Actually, a lot of folks are surprised by the SRT8 handling capability. It is a different car than the R/T in many ways. Here is some more detailed information.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedan/112_0502_muscle_car_comparison/index.html

I agree the G8 GT is the clear choice in the low $30k range. But the best bang-for-the-buck since the demise of the LS2 GTO is the Ford Mustang GT.

This has been a good debate/commentary and not dissimiliar to the R/T vs. SRT8 debates on the LX body forums (LX/Charger/300C).

However, the fold-down rear seats, nav, bluetooth and SRT-8 Track Experience along with the stock performance/handling with the purchase are invaluable for some. Only the GXP has a chance of displacing our "loyalties". Personally, I'm a fan of all performance makes and am so glad a domestic like the G8 joins the ranks. At least our hood scoops are functional though......;)

Unfortunately, neither of our 2-ton babies will compete in the SCCA and they sure won't rule the dragstrip, either.

Charlie, the link below is only for your reference, since we're both competitive, it's a good source of info. However, heads/cam, converter and DRs looks like high 11s rather easily.

I do have a question about your 12.70 @ 108mph run though - was that on OEM tires or DRs and what was your 60ft? Besides track/conditions, it could be an indicator of the superior transmission ratios.

http://www.lxforums.com/board/timeslips.php

In the 2dr market the GT mustang hands down best bang for the buck. Mod friendly etc. I am already faster then GXP. By the time I hit 38k max I will run 11s. 2k for brakes, 3k for suspension. Now I
have a better handling, equal braking, 11sec g8 on drs. Thats 43k or less. I do not see a GXP being less then that in cost and Ill be 1 sec faster.

Deuuuce just reminded me about the SRT track experience. That was a blast to beat on all the SRT's except for the Viper (no seat time on the road course) understandably so with 600 hp V10 just waiting to be stabbed.

I understand and admire GRRRR8 quest to have a SRT8 beater for less than the price of one. It's a testament and flattering to the SRT's benchmark performance that has the G8 crowd gunning for. But when you realistically add up all the go and whoa parts to out perform a SRT then you'll be right at or over price of a low options SRT8.

Which brings me back to the 'best bang for the buck' part. You spend all that extra cash you saved on buying a G8 vs buying a SRT to make your G8 out perform a SRT, then you might as well waited a bit longer and get yourself the GXP version.

I think to the best bang for the buck theory on the GT G8 should be compared the GXP G8. Lets choose the GXP G8 as your benchmark against modding your GT. Buy your GT G8 brand new. Make it go faster, handle better and stop quicker for the same or less than the PRICE of a base model/ low optioned GXP G8 (aside from the exclusivity of the other small differences of owning a LS3 corvette powered G8 GXP) then you'll have my complete un-bias attention.

Until then I'll save the extra dough and pass on the GT G8 for the GXP one!

Stay tuned........

I agree with Charlie ...

I understand the argument - " Why not wait and get a GXP or SRT-8 ... instead of spending the same money making your G8 GT faster "

BUT ...

The the price of his car was slightly under 32k. and he made his car faster than a SRT-8/G8 GXP with UNDER 2000 dollars. GXP will probably start around 40. and even though the base price of an SRT8 is 36k... I've YET ta see one sold at that price ... Its usually between 38-45k.

Even if the GXP model is only 37k ... If he spent 5k all on power mods ... he'd definitely be into the 11's ... and be much faster than the GXP's claimed 13-Flat @ 108.

I agree with Charlie ...

I understand the argument - " Why not wait and get a GXP or SRT-8 ... instead of spending the same money making your G8 GT faster "
BUT ...
The the price of his car was slightly under 32k. and he made his car faster than a SRT-8/G8 GXP with UNDER 2000 dollars. GXP will probably start around 40. and even though the base price of an SRT8 is 36k... I've YET ta see one sold at that price ... Its usually between 38-45k.
Even if the GXP model is only 37k ... If he spent 5k all on power mods ... he'd definitely be into the 11's ... and be much faster than the GXP's claimed 13-Flat @ 108.

This argument is older than time, even assuming your only criteria is going fast in a straight line. Once you add a big brake kit and some 9in wide rims, the cost of that modded GT will be well over $40k. The rims on my SRT8 retail for 900.00 each, and the sweet 4-piston Brembos on all 4 corners will set you back over $3 grand. After adding all that to the base model, you are still stuck with a 'modded base model', worth about $21k on resale. Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with making your car the best it can be. However, some of the posts on this topic are bordering on mis-information. Happy motoring.

I agree with Charlie ...

I understand the argument - " Why not wait and get a GXP or SRT-8 ... instead of spending the same money making your G8 GT faster "


Even if the GXP model is only 37k ... If he spent 5k all on power mods ... he'd definitely be into the 11's ... and be much faster than the GXP's claimed 13-Flat @ 108.

True but only in the speed contest.

Heck if GRRRR8 opted for 500hp blower for $6-7K speed won't ever be an issue. HOWEVER...anytime you raise horsepower to that level you assume upgrading other components to balance out the car. It's one thing to have a super fast car from 0 to 110+ mph but you still gotta stop the thing. I don't think the stock brakes on the GT will be too happy stopping all that power! So add another minumium $2000+ to upgrade the brakes if you want GXP braking or better.

Depending on what performance level you want to take your G8 to (and I'm assuming you want it to surpass the overall performance level of a GXP or the base model price for an SRT for bragging rights), it doesn't add up. And lets not forget the $$$$ in labor cost to install all those goodies!!!

And lets say GRRRR8 does achieves SRT killer status in all aspects, he'll certainly take a hit on resale if he sold the car in that form vs resale of a GXP or SRT.

So is it really cost effective to Frankenstein a G8 into SRT or GXP contender?

Stay tuned........

:popcorn2:

1. It is my car. 2. I have already posted and calculated 43k invested for 11s and equal braking and better handling then GXP/SRT-8. 3. I have no labor costs except time(see muliple posts)4.SRT-8s value has dropped like a rock as do all gas guzzler V-8s. 5. U never get out of it what u put into it. 6. If u have read posts u will notice I did all the mods that the majority can do themselves or easily afford to have done 1st. 7. No GXP/SRT-8 will perform like this for 43k, even though it does not calculate labor, it is what it is and most are not as obsessed as I am. 8. Trash talking only fuels my fire, so keep it up by all means. 9. I have family in Cali so dread the day I visit. And last but not least....... IT IS MY CAR.

Easy GRRRR8, No one is trash talking what you're trying to do. I like the fact you're trying to take your car to a higher performance level. 2nd. Most enthusiast can do most basic mods to their car themselves but for those who can't end up paying someone who can. You are the exception!

And yes no dispute about it being your car. I don't hate so don't get bent out of shape if you post or share your modding progess here. Trust we all want to see you acheive it rather than fail. In your case thou having little to no labor cost certainly leaves room for more mods.

The point I'm trying to establish and also to point out is that this more bang for the buck thing isn't really relative if someone had to pay someone else for a tuner company or whoever builds the exact same car with your goals in mind.

But if you don't care what value your car holds base on what your mods are worth to you then have at it. In the end you'll have one serious ride but in my opinion the car won't garner the same value as a GXP or SRT modded or not.

No I am not bent. I just feel this thread went way down the wrong road, in a hurry. All cars depreciate about 5k before the ink on the contract dries, except Honda and very few others. With the price of gas and sales suffering for GM, we may never see a GXP, let alone the Ute. I want it now and to be different then most as well as N/A.

Please don't say never!

I will be heart broken if GM reneges on either the GXP G8 or the UTE. I truly believe gas prices won't affect the sales of such a niche type of car. It maybe good for us cause if and when they arrive they may not get the dreaded sticker shock dealer mark-up that's currently going on with the SRT Challengers.

I understand about wanting something different and wanting it now. That's how I feel about the GXP.

I think if it is made it will be likely be way over sticker due to limited availibity. I hope not! I want a Ute. White to be exact. 7.0L will be installed in that and with tuning I might be able to keep up with them SRT-8s. :wink2:

Personally, I'm glad to see so many people enthused about RWD 4-door sedans. I think that competition can only make things better for all. The G8 GT is definately a VERY good value. As I've said on the LX boards that I'm on...Stock for Stock, I think the G8 GT has a slight advantage in the 1/4 over the R/T and that the GXP will have a slight advantage over the SRT8.

We have to remember that we all don't like the same things...it would kinda make the world boring, wouldn't it? It's obvious that the diehard Mopar fans will like the R/Ts & SRT8s and the diehard GM fans will like the G8 GTs and GXPs. That's OK with me. We should stop all the "personal" attacks. This should be a place to discuss G8s.

Another thing to remember is that styling is very subjective. Personally, I like the look of the Charger SRT8 better than the G8 GT. However, I can see why others would not. It's all about personal preference. If Dodge didn't have the Charger, I would be all over the G8...in a heartbeat...pun intended.

I have some friends that don't like the Charger styling all that much, but they are very into the G8. I'm trying to convince them to get one. If they do, I'm not going to bash them about anything, but instead drool all over it right beside them. I may still give them a little static, but always with a smirk on my face. I'm here to learn about the G8 and help them make an "informed" decision...hee, hee.

Anywho, I think we should all play nice. The last thing to remember is...unless you are Tony Schumacher, there is always someone out there who is quicker and faster. And, on any given day...even The Sarge can be beat.

Keith

I agree. It just got outta hand. I mod SRT-8s and there is alot of teasing back and forth, but they are both great cars. Now on this "Sarge" thing, I think $ for $......LMAO or With a stroked 7.0L and 2 88mm turbos and a tiny bit of spray its a drivers race. LOL

Now on this "Sarge" thing, I think $ for $......LMAO or With a stroked 7.0L and 2 88mm turbos and a tiny bit of spray its a drivers race. LOL


Hee, hee...that right there is funny!!! :drink:

See, I aint so bad.

Another thing to remember is that styling is very subjective. If Dodge didn't have the Charger, I would be all over the G8...in a heartbeat...pun intended.


Good point about Styling, which is a leading decision criteria in car selection. First, we look at what is in our price range, then, we select what we LIKE, and finally we double-check to make sure we are getting value for the price. Of course, some peeps shop solely on value, they all drive Toyota Camrys. :)

For me, the SRT was the total 'package' for a weekend car to terrorize the neighbors. :driving:

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x79/roman371/sambee3.jpg

Nice car. Have u modded yet?

Nice car. Have u modded yet?

Thanks, modding slowly. I have a Zoomers cat-back currently on. If you are familiar with the CTS-V crowd, you know how mean those glass-packs sound. Also, I am having a carbon-fiber "oversized" cold-air-intake made that will be here in 3 weeks. Thats it, besides the little goodies like pistol-grip shifter and tint.

That is cool. I always liked the pistol grip back in the day. That yellow just screams "come and get some" :driving:

What is a "UTE"?

Edit - scratch that. The G8 based sport-ute.

OT but as much as I like the G8, they might as well call it the Aztek or SSR because that is how well it's going to sell. Other established choices and far less practicality than the Magnum which was discontinued as well.

What is a "UTE"?

Edit - scratch that. The G8 based sport-ute.

OT but as much as I like the G8, they might as well call it the Aztek or SSR because that is how well it's going to sell. Other established choices and far less practicality than the Magnum which was discontinued as well.

You are correct. Much like u would not be driving any of the new Chryslers if M-Benz had not bailed them out. The only 1 of the Big 3 that almost went belly up 2 times in 20 years.

You are correct. Much like u would not be driving any of the new Chryslers if M-Benz had not bailed them out. The only 1 of the Big 3 that almost went belly up 2 times in 20 years.

Stay tuned in the unfolding drama in the US auto-industry. The triple whammy of fuel, economy, and competition may indeed cull the herd.

GM’s stock price dropped to a 54-year low of $9.96 on Wednesday after Merrill Lynch analyst John Murphy wrote in a note to investors that a GM bankruptcy “is not impossible if the market continues to deteriorate and significant incremental capital is not raised.”

Very true. Their truck sales have kept them afloat for the past few years, but with the price of gas........ Introducing the new Cobalt 1500 series. LOL

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GXP's rival :)

GXP's rival :)

Nice ride, I like the new 'RED'. Are those '08 Bee wheels?

Nice ride, I like the new 'RED'. Are those '08 Bee wheels?

Yep!

Nice car. There would be 1 in my garage, but the dealer would not deal. Then I tried to get a Challenger for sticker..NO DEAL. We all know what happened after that. It sux though. Never had a Mopar and always got caught up in the GM-MOPAR-FORD drama. In 03 I bought a Mach 1, 1st Ford ever owned, pro Chevy since birth,but my problem was mustangs were the thing that tried to race me the most. WTF? I still see a Mopar in the future.....wont that be fun posting LOL

Funny you mention that charlie. My 'other choice' was in fact a challenger, but yeah.. they were asking WAY over sticker (20k+) which is just insane.. Happy with the G8, but maybe in a few years a challenger for extensive modding is in the cards ;)

Base price on the SRT8 Charger is $37,500. Most come fully loaded since SRT8 owners are not penny pinchers. Funny how everyone compares the base model with cloth seats and skinnies to the fully loaded competition and then bitch about the price difference. Drive what you like, and what you can afford. You ever hear the saying "don't protest too much?"

Wow good luck finding a NEW srt8 for that price i scoured the freakin earth to find an r/t for under thirty one before i fell in love with the g8 and now everytime i see an r/t i dont even care unless he's next to me at a redlight then its time to skirt bebeeee!
Dodge is ridiculous for those that dont know to get the blacked out grill with badge and the spoiler itll cost you 1500 more and there cars come with a miniscule amount of equipment compared to the g8

You are correct. Much like u would not be driving any of the new Chryslers if M-Benz had not bailed them out. The only 1 of the Big 3 that almost went belly up 2 times in 20 years.

And your point is what exactly? Like Land Rover, Jaguar, Aston Martin, Lamborghini and perhaps Ferrari?

Or like borrowing a platform from a more advanced, successful division? That sounds familiar too.

But since it was obviously a dig, I should mention the two dealerships to close on one of nations largest dealer rows out here were Lincoln-Mercury and Buick Pontiac GMC.

And your point is what exactly? Like Land Rover, Jaguar, Aston Martin, Lamborghini and perhaps Ferrari?

Or like borrowing a platform from a more advanced, successful division? That sounds familiar too.

But since it was obviously a dig, I should mention the two dealerships to close on one of nations largest dealer rows out here were Lincoln-Mercury and Buick Pontiac GMC.

Dont think comparing exotics is on the same playing field and indvidual dealers go belly up all over the world.

Dont think comparing exotics is on the same playing field and indvidual dealers go belly up all over the world.

And your point was what? A bail-out? Actually it was once in the last 30 years. Chrysler/Dodge was profitable when they were bought. Oh, the only other new car dealership to go belly-up on that street in the last 8-10 years was Hummer, while others expanded their facilities.

And your point was what? A bail-out? Actually it was once in the last 30 years. Chrysler/Dodge was profitable when they were bought. Oh, the only other new car dealership to go belly-up on that street in the last 8-10 years was Hummer, while others expanded their facilities.

This is an old post that you might want to reference, but none the less you have a great car and so do I and lets leave it at that.

Wow good luck finding a NEW srt8 for that price i scoured the freakin earth to find an r/t for under thirty one before i fell in love with the g8 and now everytime i see an r/t i dont even care unless he's next to me at a redlight then its time to skirt bebeeee!
Dodge is ridiculous for those that dont know to get the blacked out grill with badge and the spoiler itll cost you 1500 more and there cars come with a miniscule amount of equipment compared to the g8

I guess prices vary by location, I can find new SRT's under $40K all day long, even with options.

I don't consider the R/T a screaming buy based on the price and the package, but the SRT8 is a complete different package and animal. With the SRT8, you get more than you pay for.

I compared base model price to base model price. $29k to $44k. skinnys to skinnys lol


IF YOU PAY STICKER ,YOU DESERVE TO PAY WHAT IS LISTED.........

IF YOU PAY STICKER ,YOU DESERVE TO PAY WHAT IS LISTED.........OR BUY A JEEP.