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GT-610
06-23-2008, 04:43 PM
went to the local strip with a buddy of mine and keep in mine I had 3/4 tank of gas and 150lbs of added crap in the trunk.

First a Del sol started messing with me,but we never seemed to go at the same time-he kept a 1 car lead and as I would creep up to line up,he would go...I'm in sport,so downshift was slow,had trouble catching cause he was modded to hell!!!

next race I can stleast make a good comparison...
A WRX and an EVO were f-ing around so I joined them.The sti behind me,the suburu hits it with a 2 car lead and all three of us go all the way-I lose the Evo at 100+( i think he wimped out on the slow banking turn)but the wrx kept it pinned until I walked him at 125-130 until I shut down when the limiter kicked in at 139...but I made up 2 cars and 2 more ahead from60-130...not bad.
I would have liked to run him from the line,but he turned off instead of following like the Evo eventually did...and did his ricer flyby as the del sol did whenI tried to line up again.

I notice the ricers never want to start unless its a 20 roll or better?!

foreosu
06-23-2008, 04:45 PM
Interesting. I've been wondering how our G8s would fare against the WRX's of the world. I've still not been in a true "race" and I've had my car for 2 months now. Guess I need to look harder.

h3llphyre
06-23-2008, 05:57 PM
I notice the ricers never want to start unless its a 20 roll or better?!

Launched properly (which almost no owner will do, for fear of scattering the tranny), both the WRX and EVO would kill you from a dead stop. AWD = better.

GT-610
06-23-2008, 06:19 PM
why do you say kill when the evo is doing the same exact 1/4 mile as per motor trend?as for the wrx,i'll beat it unless its an Sti? even then,its only 3-6 tenths of a second faster...anyway,it really doesnt matter because the gt wasnt set up for being light and fast,and I'm still not behind the wheel of a crappy rice-box!:p

99-LS1-SS
06-23-2008, 06:36 PM
He was talking about how a redline side stepping of the clutch in the EVO and WRX will jump out to a good head start (assuming the transmission doesn't grenade). The same exact 1/4 mile times in a magazine aren't really a good gauge. Way more often then not the magazine times can be beat by at least a half of a second by a good/decent driver. In the off chance that the drivers in the magazine articles could actually drive worth a crap, the times being the same means that the AWD cars will jump out to a early lead but the G8 will steadily walk them down and it just so happens that they cross the line right as the G8 was passing the other car.

GT-610
06-23-2008, 07:13 PM
sounds about right.

but i wish someone would give the car mag drivers some credit.They have test driven hundreds of cars and are very experienced...they just dont have 1 car for a very long time to get a handle on its full potential and really master launching etc. but i still use them as a good comparison because its mag for mag,driver for driver and test equiptment is the same as well. the only variable is the car.
now comparing one magazine to another is a whole different story...

racerx
06-23-2008, 10:12 PM
I don't know...i took a wrx or sti or whatever they are....dead stop, held the rpm at about 1500-2000, when the light changed, floored it. Some tire spin, but not too bad. Took him off the line, i could hear his turbo spooling up and when he shifted into second i heard his tires chirp. I was about a 1/2 car ahead when he went into 3rd and the tires chirped again...the whole tiime i could hear that sweet sound of his turbo......G8 was so quiet.
We I hit about 80 he was at my rear, where i could see his headlights in my rear view mirror. i backed off knowing he wasn't going to catch up. At the next light he didn't want to go again. Said he didn't want to mess his tranny up...(good thing i got that 100K mile warranty).

I think it boils down to the driver like a few folks already mentioned. You get them off the line, you got it made. Plus i had a full tank of gas. It'll be interesting once i get the exhaust, CAI and tune in the next month or two.

I really wanna go up against a cobra...but only after i get the MODs

4gasem
06-24-2008, 08:39 AM
I notice the ricers never want to start unless its a 20 roll or better?!

My buddies Civic has dyno'd 300bhp at the wheels so he has to do the roll on's too with stock tires. He can race from a stop but it just lights them up.

He's passing Mach 1 Mustangs in third gear while the tires are spinning as he passes them... It's stupid what a 2400 pound car can do with 300bhp at the front wheels.

Just don't go around corners with it...:judge:

lol

ImpalaSSpeed96
06-24-2008, 08:55 AM
sounds about right.

but i wish someone would give the car mag drivers some credit.They have test driven hundreds of cars and are very experienced...they just dont have 1 car for a very long time to get a handle on its full potential and really master launching etc. but i still use them as a good comparison because its mag for mag,driver for driver and test equiptment is the same as well. the only variable is the car.
now comparing one magazine to another is a whole different story...

Exactly, lots of experience. On the street you spin way worse than you would at the track w/ VHT. Thats why you'll lose, cause the EVO will run the same time on the street as it does on the track. Your G8 will not.

h3llphyre
06-24-2008, 09:12 AM
Exactly, lots of experience. On the street you spin way worse than you would at the track w/ VHT. Thats why you'll lose, cause the EVO will run the same time on the street as it does on the track. Your G8 will not.

You're welcome to try and get a G8 to spin off the line, street or strip, without explicitly TRYING to do so. I have yet to be able to get it to spin on the street, except on sand or wet pavement.

Unless I do a brake stand. Then it'll do two gears no problem.

ImpalaSSpeed96
06-24-2008, 09:30 AM
So you don't stall it for a launch like almost everyone that knows how to launch does? And the G8 will not spin the tires from a dead punch? I find that hard to believe but I don't own one and haven't driven one yet....

G8GT594
06-24-2008, 09:48 AM
So you don't stall it for a launch like almost everyone that knows how to launch does? And the G8 will not spin the tires from a dead punch? I find that hard to believe but I don't own one and haven't driven one yet....

No it wont spin them from a dead punch. Ive tried again and again. With a reving it up to about 1600 and punching it they'll spin then. but from a stand still and no break torquing they wont.

racerx
06-24-2008, 10:01 AM
Ya, he's right, it won't spin from a dead stop with the traction enabled. The only way to spin off a dead stop with traction engaged is to "launch" it. Hold rpm's at about 1500-2000, than floor it....it'll make the tires squeal like a pig in heat.

Now, if you disable traction control and do the same thing, it'll burn the hell out out of tires pretty darn quick!

SRG963
06-24-2008, 10:03 AM
No it wont spin them from a dead punch. Ive tried again and again. With a reving it up to about 1600 and punching it they'll spin then. but from a stand still and no break torquing they wont.

TC off, I have to be turning a corner to get the tires to burn, unless it's wet. Now that I've got around 100 lbs of bass in the trunk, seem to be glued down.

I had the same stereo system in my 4 speed automatic 2002 Z28, and it would burn the tires all day long, what's the deal?

Seems like this car should melt the tires away without TC, but it doesn't :(

h3llphyre
06-24-2008, 10:14 AM
No it wont spin them from a dead punch. Ive tried again and again. With a reving it up to about 1600 and punching it they'll spin then. but from a stand still and no break torquing they wont.


Even then, it doesn't spin for very long if it does.

h3llphyre
06-24-2008, 10:20 AM
Seems like this car should melt the tires away without TC, but it doesn't :(


Torque Management.

SRG963
06-24-2008, 12:11 PM
Torque Management.

:mullet: Torque management SUCKS!

h3llphyre
06-24-2008, 12:19 PM
:mullet: Torque management SUCKS!


Indeed it does. however, I figure out. You can get a 2 gear brake stand, if you use the "manu-shift" mode. Otherwise, the car bogs out when it shifts second. There was a lil "burn out contest" last friday night, at the local "car hangout spot". After watching some pathetic 4th gens and mustang burnouts, I decided to give it a shot. 2 gear burnout, let off the brake and rode it out a good 100ft. Everyone was rather impressed.

Now THAT'S :mullet:

ImpalaSSpeed96
06-24-2008, 01:20 PM
Does it spin them if the TC is off? If not, thats nice to be able to hook. I'm sure it won't be the same case after the TM is taken out.

h3llphyre
06-24-2008, 01:39 PM
Does it spin them if the TC is off? If not, thats nice to be able to hook. I'm sure it won't be the same case after the TM is taken out.

It sucks, because the car would probably launch faster if the power weren't being dialed back.

And the car will probably blow the 2 piece driveshaft out if you disable TM

GT-610
06-24-2008, 04:12 PM
Exactly, lots of experience. On the street you spin way worse than you would at the track w/ VHT. Thats why you'll lose, cause the EVO will run the same time on the street as it does on the track. Your G8 will not.


actually true,but not for me. I have 150 extra lbs in my trunk(subs + enclosure,tool bucket and cargo box with stuff) so I have yet to spin the tires flooring it at even 2k powerbraking!

SPARKYBOY5X8
06-25-2008, 01:02 AM
Magazine performance specs are faster than most people will ever come close to in the real world as they're better drivers than all but the most serious stick shift jockies. Those evos and sti's do not last long with redline launches. As for breaking the two piece driveshaft?, the GTO had a two piece and it held up to over 550 rwhp and I knew many others that had big rwhp and their stock driveshaft. Driveshafts are not the weak piont so many thinkm it's axles.