A friend of mine got a stock 06 GTO and wants to run me at SAR. I've never gone against one so I'm wondering if I stand a chance with my current mods. I need to know if I'm heading for headache LOL. Let me know what you think:)

A maroon one? I have recently started seeing one around base.

no he has a black one. there are a couple here at bullis too, a blue one and a yellow one always parked next to each other. Haven't had the chance to meet the owners yet

I'm certainly no expert but given your mods and if it is stock I'm guessing it would be pretty close either way. I think stock they're about what a GXP is in the quarter give or take a couple tenths.

Is his car a stick or auto?

Either way, I would give you a slight edge (bigger if his is an A4). He'll have to be a good wheel to tilt things in his favor.

06 gto has 400 ponies and is lighter than GT - would be close

06 GTO wins, be careful!

Is his car a stick or auto?

Either way, I would give you a slight edge (bigger if his is an A4). He'll have to be a good wheel to tilt things in his favor.

His is automatic, still I'm not sure cause of the weight thing. I figure I'll give him a run. At least if I lose, I was supposed too lol.

I put my money on the Goat!

Bone stock vs. bone stock, GTO FTW.

If his is an auto, he should be a bit faster than a manual.

Truthfully, you both are probably making the same amount of HP. I'd say it's a drivers race.

Bone stock vs. bone stock, GTO FTW.

I agree ^^ Goat has more hp, and less weight and probably a less restrictive ECM/TCM

^^^ what are the odds of a BONE STOCK G8/GTO racing?? Are there ANY Bone stock GTO/G8s out there? LOL

Sure the GTO might win...BUT G8s look better :p IMO

Sure the GTO might win...BUT G8s look better :p IMO

Nod sorry gto but you look straight outta the 90s!

My father has an 06 GTO automatic with exhaust and I think a tune. We are not sure about the tune because he bought it from a very clueless second owner about three months ago with 8k miles. It does have the stock intake, but it also has a strut tower brace. We think the original owner had an intake on the car, but removed it at the point of sale. When "punching" it, the car chirps the tires going into second gear. I am fairly certain that a stock GTO doesn't do that. :)

I do know that my father's GTO handed me my lunch on two occasions from zero and from a 5mph roll. IMHO, a stock G8, which is heavier and has less HP than the GTO, will get beat every time in a straight line. The track is a different story. From personal experience, having driven both cars back to back on numerous occasions, the G8 handles MUCH better. It's flatter in the corners and it's easier to use the back end to steer in and out of the twisties. The GTO wallows and plunges in comparisson. In short, I feel the G8 is a better car as a complete package.

<-----------has stock gto and g8.........for now:)
but the gto will win more than likely

With your mods I would say you got him. Your dyno numbers seem exceptionally low for the mods you have though.

I went to a dyno day with my GTO buddies and a friend with his stock tuned GTO put down more than 20rwhp less than I did on the dyno with my mods. I would think that the HP difference and lack of torque management on the G8 would be enough to offset the weight difference.

Dont forget about the horrible problem of wheel hop that the GTO has. Very few guys can get them off the line without either wheel hopping OR bogging the hell out of the car.

I would have to say you would beat him. Or a drivers race

I think some folks misunderstood my post. I know a stock g8 will lose to a stock GTO, my question is with my mods and him being stock can I win.


@Yeti- I know my numbers seem really low compared to others with similar mods... I think I need a better tuner or something. Could have been the fact that it was a mustang dyno though...

With your mods, I would say you would have him considering he has an automatic.

I think some folks misunderstood my post. I know a stock g8 will lose to a stock GTO, my question is with my mods and him being stock can I win.


@Yeti- I know my numbers seem really low compared to others with similar mods... I think I need a better tuner or something. Could have been the fact that it was a mustang dyno though...

I have seen cats with your mods between 361-371rwhp. If you put down those type numbers you should kill that stock GTO no prob.

Easy on the GTO's. Lol. I call close race. Could go either way.

well considering I am a GTO whore and have drag raced them at every possible stage of builds from cam, to nitrous, to twin turbos, to strokers I would put my money on the GTO if I was driving. Question is what wheel and tire setup are you both running? Stock suspension? Depending on the car I have seen several stock 05/06s run in the 12s bone stock. I ran 10.21 with the stock bottom end on a 200 shot with heads and a cam. They are easy to do weight reduction to. My car looked 100% stock weight but at the track with the Weld Prostars on the car weighed 3275 without me in it. Stock they weigh 3750. G8 weighs what 3950-4000? You will need get a better 60' and tree him to win.

well considering I am a GTO whore and have drag raced them at every possible stage of builds from cam, to nitrous, to twin turbos, to strokers I would put my money on the GTO if I was driving. Question is what wheel and tire setup are you both running? Stock suspension? Depending on the car I have seen several stock 05/06s run in the 12s bone stock. I ran 10.21 with the stock bottom end on a 200 shot with heads and a cam. They are easy to do weight reduction to. My car looked 100% stock weight but at the track with the Weld Prostars on the car weighed 3275 without me in it. Stock they weigh 3750. G8 weighs what 3950-4000? You will need get a better 60' and tree him to win.

No he's got a bonestock GTO... no secret weight reduction or 200 shot or cam blah blah blah . Just a used 06 GTO. But I do think its gonna come down to reaction time. We are gonna race next weds. so I'll update the post with either a win or a loss for Sol-leks :driving:

No he's got a bonestock GTO... no secret weight reduction or 200 shot or cam blah blah blah . Just a used 06 GTO. But I do think its gonna come down to reaction time. We are gonna race next weds. so I'll update the post with either a win or a loss for Sol-leks :driving:
My point was that his car already weighs 250 lbs less then your car. You said your dyno numbers cam from a mustand dyno right? So lets say you are actually around 350rwhp. the stock 06 go between 330-340rwph on dyno jet. now the 250 lbs will negate your 20 hp advantage. It is now a drivers race. who ever has the better tires, better reaction time will win. Problem is the G8 has a pure crap slush box transmission tune. that will hold you back by at least .15 in the 1/4!!!

how about I call one of the san antonio crew and ask them to let me drive one of their bone stock gtos. I will even bring down the g8 and make some runs in it too. Unless you are running high 12s low 13 you are going to lose.......that is if he can drive worth a flip lol. The pereson with the most track experience can easily beat out the person with a slight hp adavantage.

My point was that his car already weighs 250 lbs less then your car. You said your dyno numbers cam from a mustand dyno right? So lets say you are actually around 350rwhp. the stock 06 go between 330-340rwph on dyno jet. now the 250 lbs will negate your 20 hp advantage. It is now a drivers race. who ever has the better tires, better reaction time will win. Problem is the G8 has a pure crap slush box transmission tune. that will hold you back by at least .15 in the 1/4!!!

Roger that, I do have a custom tune though. But yeah you are right it seems like a drivers race which is a good thing for me. I don't want it to be all up to the cars, figure we are about evenly matched so bragging rights will be earned :wink2:

I believe the auto Goat will have better gears in the rear vs the GT

how about I call one of the san antonio crew and ask them to let me drive one of their bone stock gtos. I will even bring down the g8 and make some runs in it too.

LMAO sounds like a plan! We run on Weds :boink:

I believe the auto Goat will have better gears in the rear vs the GT
you are correct....346 vs the g8s .292 or whatever?

LMAO sounds like a plan! We run on Weds :boink:
tracks are open on wednesdays? well unless I take vacation that is not going to happen. Our local tracks are friday night and saturday and some on sunday

My old 1/8 mile track did TNTs on wednesday night too. They only had 3 people working the track and you could get as many runs in as you wanted. It was pretty fun to go on the wednesday TNTs.

My old 1/8 mile track did TNTs on wednesday night too. They only had 3 people working the track and you could get as many runs in as you wanted. It was pretty fun to go on the wednesday TNTs.

Weds@ SAR are similar, gonna be a good time win or lose.

I think it would be a close race. You are modded up pretty decent though so I think you would take him. I have an 04 GTO w/ 6 speed. My G8 will take it every time by about a length or better (depends who is driving the goat though, my gal is not as quick on the shifts). The 06's are rated at 400 and that's not rwhp. With your mods I would think you would be putting down more than 335.......:confused: It will be a good race no matter what so run him and let us know how it turned out.

I have the same mods as you... headers xpipe tune vararam.... this is a race I did vs a auto 6.0 WITH tune and cai. You will easily beat a stock one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKbgnx_r7

Well I cant get the vid to link right but the url is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKbgnx_r7mc&feature=player_embedded

The 2nd race he got the jump on me but I reeled him pretty quick then let off when I got just ahead.

Here is a video that at the end has me running a 06 GTO who I think just had an exhaust.

http://www.streetfire.net/video/2010-camaro-and-g8-passes_723920.htm

I beat him easily.

It will be a close race considering 05-06s are anywhere from 340-350ish to the rear wheels, and the automatic LS2 is the faster of the 3 years.

LOL everybodies cracking on my numbers, I'm taking the car to get a better tune somewhere else. I hope I wasn't shanked out of some dinero lol. I really hope that the numbers were just conservative. Thanks for the vids guys, I would think with the mods I have that I could take him, but some of the folks on here got me doubting.

LOL everybodies cracking on my numbers, I'm taking the car to get a better tune somewhere else. I hope I wasn't shanked out of some dinero lol. I really hope that the numbers were just conservative. Thanks for the vids guys, I would think with the mods I have that I could take him, but some of the folks on here got me doubting.

Have you run it at the track yet? Dyno numbers dont mean sht, take it to the track see what it does. If it runs 12.7-13.0 your fine.

Drivers race.... my GTO was hard to launch compared to my G8. The hop is pretty bad if you don't nail it just right.

Drivers race.

if A6 G8 w/ 338whp vs. A4 GTO stock, I think it'll be really close and in most situations I'd say the G8 gets the nod due to better traction and better transmission

With your mods..you should have him. If not blame the driver mod..lol.

you are correct....346 vs the g8s .292 or whatever?

I believe its a 3.43 rear end and the G8 is 2.92

But 3.43 w/ A4 vs. 2.92 w/ A6 is different story my friend

You have a G8 GT now?? Don't you notice the difference in the transmission behavior?? Even after a tune there are alot of deadspots, they're a bi**h to launch, I think it'll be a really even race....I still think the G8 wins. SOTP my G8GT w/ similar dyno #s FEELS FASTER than stock LS2 GTO's I have driven.

Hell, I ended up buying the '04 because I liked the smoother lines and couldn't feel much of a diff between that and the '05 that was $3,400 more

^^^ what are the odds of a BONE STOCK G8/GTO racing?? Are there ANY Bone stock GTO/G8s out there? LOL

Um bone stock for now.

I believe its a 3.43 rear end and the G8 is 2.92

But 3.43 w/ A4 vs. 2.92 w/ A6 is different story my friend

You have a G8 GT now?? Don't you notice the difference in the transmission behavior?? Even after a tune there are alot of deadspots, they're a bi**h to launch, I think it'll be a really even race....I still think the G8 wins. SOTP my G8GT w/ similar dyno #s FEELS FASTER than stock LS2 GTO's I have driven.

Hell, I ended up buying the '04 because I liked the smoother lines and couldn't feel much of a diff between that and the '05 that was $3,400 more
Well yeah the gto had dead spots in the a4. A converter changes that dramatically. I cut 1.45 60' at the track with my stock bottom end GTO on stock suspension with 150 shot of nitrous.

Like others have said it comes down to the driver. Drivers being equal I give the advantage to the GTO due to lighter weight and slighty more power.

Just wanted to give a quick update... good news/ bad news. Bad news is we were'nt able to race on Weds. since he got called in to work so we won't be racing for another week or 2. Good news is I'm getting my non dod cam and converter installed within the next week or so (also flirting with Zex kit). Hehehe, won't be too much of a drivers race anymore...oh and i'm not gonna tell him I got it either :gr_devil:

yeah I know, what a terrible thing to do, but it will be pretty damn funny (unless he somehow wins) :ohsnap1:

Just wanted to give a quick update... good news/ bad news. Bad news is we were'nt able to race on Weds. since he got called in to work so we won't be racing for another week or 2. Good news is I'm getting my non dod cam and converter installed within the next week or so (also flirting with Zex kit). Hehehe, won't be too much of a drivers race anymore...oh and i'm not gonna tell him I got it either :gr_devil:

yeah I know, what a terrible thing to do, but it will be pretty damn funny (unless he somehow wins) :ohsnap1:
LOL nice, although im sure he should be able to hear the cam. ;)

LOL nice, although im sure he should be able to hear the cam. ;)

LOL he's so cocky he won't even notice, even with the mods I have he said "all your car is is a loud exhaust" He's not tech savvy by any means.:judge:

As a former 2006 GTO A4 owner and now a 2009 G8 GT A6, I can tell you that even with those mods, the GTO still wins. Hands down.

Edit: mods before cam and the new stuff, GTO. After cam, close but you should take him.

As a former 2006 GTO A4 owner and now a 2009 G8 GT A6, I can tell you that even with those mods, the GTO still wins. Hands down.

Edit: mods before cam and the new stuff, GTO. After cam, close but you should take him.

The GTO would not win hands down at all.

It would be strictly a drivers race.

I held/hold (not sure, really) the record for LS2 GTOs for the stock time at a 12.79. That was in something like -3000 DA. They will normally run anywhere from 13.0-13.3 depending on the day and the driver.

With the OP's mods, he should be running anywhere from 12.7-13.0. It would be strictly a drivers race and the OP should have a small advantage, power and car wise.

I think the GTO would win this one. Amazing cars.

With your mods, I would say you would have him considering he has an automatic.

W/ his mods he'd CRUSH a stock GTO what the heck are we debating here guy has cam/heads/headers/stall/tune JEEZ give the G8 some credit for christs sake!

I'll try to find the slip I raced a stick one in the summer we both ran 13.7. He got the jump but I was catching him. He won but I was SLEEPING at the line.

Good debate. But since this thread is months old, did these guys ever race? Plus with the OP having added significant mods, did they race again?

My stock 04 A4 would have been a drivers race against a stock G8. My 1/4 times in showroom condition were 13.5's at 104 using stock air pressure in the tires. It was also a hot day up at NYIRP. LS2 GTO's will trap 106-108.

As for the GTO chirping tires in second, they will do that completely stock. I nearly lost my car at the strip with a 50 MPH shift into second kicking my backend out.

Well yeah the gto had dead spots in the a4. A converter changes that dramatically. I cut 1.45 60' at the track with my stock bottom end GTO on stock suspension with 150 shot of nitrous.

Like you know what you talking about!!! Lol jk

Like you know what you talking about!!! Lol jk

Aren't you on ls1gto as well :)

bump, who one

With only about a 1/2 second difference or less in the vehicles of course it would be a drivers race! Being asleep at the tree can be one or two car lengths on the big end with equal cars.

I've owned an 06' m6 GTO, a GT and a GXP. I think that even if the GTO is bone stock, the rwhp is more in the GTO than in the GT, plus the GTO is a 250lbs lighter. Unless the guy driving the GTO doesn't know how to launch it, the GTO will be quicker.

I've owned an 06' m6 GTO, a GT and a GXP. I think that even if the GTO is bone stock, the rwhp is more in the GTO than in the GT, plus the GTO is a 250lbs lighter. Unless the guy driving the GTO doesn't know how to launch it, the GTO will be quicker.

The A6 in the G8 would be a huge help in terms of the race.

I have both. Stock vs. stock, the GTO is significantly faster overall. However, due to the gearing of the A6 in the G8, it feels quicker when you pull away from a stop. In the upper gears, the GTO HP advantage is more apparent.

GTO_04

I had both as well. I owned the fastest stock GTO in the country (12.79 bone stock).

The comparo is not about stock VS stock. It's about a slightly modded G8 VS a stock 06. Of course stock VS stock the GTO wins. The G8's tune is dog**** and ruins the car in stock trim.

Once you tune the car and do some minor mods like the OP had at the time (he did not have his cam when this was posted), it becomes a driver race.

Put it this way. I have a car running 12.15 without opening the engine up. Bolt-ons only. You do not see GTOs with the same mods running times like that very often. Once the G8 is tuned and modded, it starts pulling away from the GTOs with similar mods. The heads flow much better and the transmission is worlds better.

Stock for stock, the GTO wins. Modding is either VERY close or a G8 win, depending on what modding we are talking about.

Actually we never did get to race since he finds every excuse not to go. I saw his slips from SAR and he was running a 13.3 (street tires) consistantly which is pretty damn good for our track. With my mods and a decent launch I can run low 12s (street tires). Its safe to say in this instance the debate is over he would have got owned. If he ever mans up and meets me at the track instead of comparing slips I'll be sure to post a vid for all the guys still claiming this was "gonna be close" lol.

But when I intially posted with my mods, it would have been a drivers race.

I have both. Stock vs. stock, the GTO is significantly faster overall. However, due to the gearing of the A6 in the G8, it feels quicker when you pull away from a stop. In the upper gears, the GTO HP advantage is more apparent.

GTO_04

The "HP advantage is more apparent" - HUH? We're talking an A4 STOCK GTO, not an M6, crank HP is a difference of a whopping 39hp and 15lb/ft - w/ a sh*t tranny backing it up, weight is negligable once you're rolling and even off the line the wheel hop and gearing of the GTO almost negate the weight advantage compared to the launch capability and A6 of the G8.

You can nearly erase that HP difference w/ just a tune and OTR intake....people are seeing 25rwhp from those 2 mods alone. That evens out the power, then you have an even race - where the GTO gains in the weight dept. it loses in the tranny/launch dept. Even stevens.

I expect the modded G8 would win, hell I'd put money on it:wink2:

BTW - just saw the OP's last post - I agree, and commented a while ago that his bolt-on G8 would "crush" this stock A4 GTO - a consistent half second at the track is a certifiable "crushing" in my book.

Finally got to race him and well the results= GTO got owned.

We had a surprise birthday party for Mike (GTO) and towards the end of the night the trash talk began. One of my friends Jason owns a WS6 and he started instigating by telling Mike that he would lose to my G8 and of course my boy got all offended and started saying he would dust my four door and then started throwing his "400 hp stock" in my face. After hearing all the usual crap he says and him throwing out statistics I finally said lets go and since it was a party with everyone there he couldn't back down. So he grabs his keys and we all go outside and hop in our rides and drive to 1604. It was about 1AM so there were no cars on the HW, got to the light and when that **** turned green we punched it. I blew his damn doors off lol. He was about 3 car lengths back when I shut it down because we came up on another light. When we lined back up I didnt say anything I just looked over and grinned. He was like ok, ok you got me. Your **** is ****ing fast! Then I said happy birthday bitch and rolled the window up. My boy in the WS6 was behind us and he was laughing his ass off, he talked more **** to him than I did lol. I will say that I'm glad he kept putting the race off and allowed me time to get my cam. No disrespect to GTO owners at all, his car probably would have been right with me before the cam. Now if I can just get the tranny tuned right I'll be doing some serious damage!