I am stuck in a dilemma once again. . . Now that the blower is available through Haddad Motorsports its time to get serious about forced induction. The twin-turbo kit from APS (available through Intense-Racing) has been out for some time now. Im debating between the two and I need your advice. I must break into the 11's without the use of nitrous on some DR's. Price should be kept into consideration with the TT kit @ $6500 plus $700 for shipping and the Supercharger @ $6850, there's not much of a price difference (especially since I would wait for the polished blower unit which would most likely be more expensive!). Which system would you go with and why ? Any responses are appreciated. Thanks for the help !

-Joseph

We just installed a 3" exhaust on our project car and dynoed it again last night. We're uploading the new chart image for posting at this very moment. :driving:

Sorry but I am a turbo guy now... I have seen what it can do to a motor and am impressed as all get out... S/C's are cool too but the Turbo's are just amazing with todays electronics.:)

If you don't mind losing your cats, the APS setup it pretty cool. I'd personally go with the MP1900. If you're not happy with the power, you can swap out for a smaller pulley. Overall, with a set of headers, the MP1900, and a good tune, the car SHOULD put down awesome power. Its almost 500rwhp with the MP1900 alone.

Sorry but I am a turbo guy now... I have seen what it can do to a motor and am impressed as all get out... S/C's are cool too but the Turbo's are just amazing with todays electronics.:)

+ 1 Me too. I also open track and autocross a lot and have always had better luck with turbos. They are a much more predicable on long track runs and the underhood temps don't seem to get as high. Now not too sure about my next comment, but I bet the turbos will return better mileage. I haven't reviewed both systems for mileage however. Just my .02

--Mike

Now not too sure about my next comment, but I bet the turbos will return better mileage.

--Mike

I doubt it.

TT FTMFW!!! That TT kit is completely wicked. Under the hood can be left looking pretty stock but you have the twins hiding down below. As soon as i have my g8 gt and have some extra cash the TT kit is exactly what im going for.

I doubt it.

Why is that, curious? I was under the impression that turbos return mileage because they run off the exhaust gas where as superchargers use a drive belt system that adds drag to the engine hence reducing mileage. Now all things being equal is it a matter of boost that changes the MPG?

--Mike

The turbo is nice but I don't like that its an imported product. No, I'm not xenophobic, just thinking of availability of replacement parts and pieces.

i would wait for someone to replicate the TT kit for cheaper and go with that... in the end the SC would probably more reliable as well as easier to install....

Why is that, curious? I was under the impression that turbos return mileage because they run off the exhaust gas where as superchargers use a drive belt system that adds drag to the engine hence reducing mileage. Now all things being equal is it a matter of boost that changes the MPG?

--Mike

Supercharged cars have been running for years with a bypass valve that shuts off most of the parasitic drag created by having the extra pulley on the car.

The supercharged grand prixs are a good example of this, they got pretty good mileage, and with the bypass valve they weren't creating much, if any parasitic drag on the engine.

Supercharged cars have been running for years with a bypass valve that shuts off most of the parasitic drag created by having the extra pulley on the car.

The supercharged grand prixs are a good example of this, they got pretty good mileage, and with the bypass valve they weren't creating much, if any parasitic drag on the engine.

Ahhhh.... O.K. that makes sense. So now my question would be, which system returns the better mileage? Not that mileage should be more than a foot-note but when getting around the same horsepower for around the same cost, it would be good to know.

--Mike

turbo ftw every time, atleast thats what ill be doing gen tt or aps tt

i would wait for someone to replicate the TT kit for cheaper and go with that... in the end the SC would probably more reliable as well as easier to install....

what makes you say the supercharger wins the reliability factor ?

We just installed a 3" exhaust on our project car and dynoed it again last night. We're uploading the new chart image for posting at this very moment. :driving:

How about you upload some audio clips and perhaps a vid ?!!?

I am stuck in a dilemma once again. . . Now that the blower is available through Haddad Motorsports its time to get serious about forced induction. The twin-turbo kit from APS (available through Intense-Racing) has been out for some time now. Im debating between the two and I need your advice. I must break into the 11's without the use of nitrous on some DR's. Price should be kept into consideration with the TT kit @ $6500 plus $700 for shipping and the Supercharger @ $6850, there's not much of a price difference (especially since I would wait for the polished blower unit which would most likely be more expensive!). Which system would you go with and why ? Any responses are appreciated. Thanks for the help !

-Joseph

I would personally pick the supercharger because I like the thought of instant torque. I don't have any problem with the turbo system and I'm actually very impressed with the quality and sneakiness of the turbos system. I just love the whine of the supercharger.

INTENSE/APS/Pedders/Magnaflow Test Car Makes 545 WHP! (http://www.g8board.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3978)

Why is that, curious? I was under the impression that turbos return mileage because they run off the exhaust gas where as superchargers use a drive belt system that adds drag to the engine hence reducing mileage. Now all things being equal is it a matter of boost that changes the MPG?

--Mike

As has been already stated, all the current superchargers have bypass valves, which mean the only parasitic drag on the crank is to turn the weight of the rotors. A turbo (twin in this case) are also being spun, even when off boost. The wastegate does bleed off a decent amount of exhaust around the turbine, but it does create a less efficient exhaust setup.

Overall, while off boost, neither system should take very much "power" to be there. Shouldn't be much different then the car NA.

In terms of reliability, I think both systems would last quite a long time. The complexity of a turbo system tends to lead to more failures though. Waste gates, the actuators (which are at HOT exhaust areas), piping with couplings that fail/pop off, boost controller, not to mention two turbos. The blower has a blow off valve (bypass valve) and a belt running from the crank. That's more or less it. You can keep your stock emissions equipment as well. Turbos also use the main engine oil, while a blower has a self contained system.

Overall its a wash. The blower is probably a LOT easier/quicker to install, as you're not taking body panels off. You can do it WITHOUT a lift. The only downside to blowers, is that if you overspin them, you're going to end up rebuilding the bearings as well as recoating the lobes (most are ceramic coated). If you don't push the system beyond what it should see, no problems there.

Has anyone seen pricing in the Eaton TVS supercharger? That's the one that the ZR1 uses.

Oh oh the age old blower v turbo debate.

There are heavy pros and cons to both systems.

I'm just gona touch on some of the things that we're discussed earlier in these posts and come back later to answer some more of your questions.

First comment/question: mileage: Due to the superb design of the magnacharger intake and the fact that you are not making boost at under %50 throttle. (air simply passes through a bypass valve). I think the Magnacharger will win this argument.
I'm sure both systems tuned properly are going to be fairly close on this note. I can only speak for myself but last night I made a ruffly 20 mile drive down pch at ruffly 60mph and averaged 30.1mpg. At 80mph I'm making around 28mpg. (on the throttle both systems loose miserable to an N/A car so I won't get into that)

Ease of install, long term maintenance, and price: This needs to factor into your price. (and btw you guys know I'm a lil bias here) but if it makes you feel better I only have 3 aps GTO's in my shop right now so we have plenty of experience with both. Install time on a maggie = 10-12 hours. Install time on an aps system 30-40hours. Maggie virtually maintenance free. Out of the at least 20 maggies we have done here at the shop I don't think we have had one comeback over 3 years. I'm virtually married to every turbo car that has come out of my shop in the last 5 years aps car or not. (that meens i see them way too much.)

Heat: If you think the magnacharger is going to put out more heat than a turbo, you have never popped the hood of a turbo car after a long run at night. (watch your facial hair please and enjoy the show). Now anytime your gona make good hp your going to make heat, its a direct function of power. And again both systems will loose to an N/A setup, but with the new design that maggie has on the blower heat soak is all but non existent. If you let the maggie sit for a couple of mintues with the motor off the blower does collect some of the heat out of the motor but that is all but gone after about 1 min of driving. As long as shes on and air is moving over the heat exchanger, shes cool.


In conclusion (and I know I'm going to have revisit this post more than once :)) If you want to have the fastest G8 in your town Its near impossible to beat the overall power that can be produced by a turbo car. (and aps makes the nicest turbo systems I have ever seen.)
If you want to make a lot of power, drive it everyday, pass smog, and not have to visit your local shop at least once every 6 months.
Maggie is the way to go.

I hope I haven't ruffled to many feathers

Mike Haddad

Excellent info Mike.

:iagree:
THanks Mike...good info..

what makes you say the supercharger wins the reliability factor ?

Because the turbo guys are on engine two and three....:judge:

I would personally pick the supercharger because I like the thought of instant torque. I don't have any problem with the turbo system and I'm actually very impressed with the quality and sneakiness of the turbos system. I just love the whine of the supercharger.Me too!

Oh oh the age old blower v turbo debate.

There are heavy pros and cons to both systems.

I'm just gona touch on some of the things that we're discussed earlier in these posts and come back later to answer some more of your questions.

First comment/question: mileage: Due to the superb design of the magnacharger intake and the fact that you are not making boost at under %50 throttle. (air simply passes through a bypass valve). I think the Magnacharger will win this argument.
I'm sure both systems tuned properly are going to be fairly close on this note. I can only speak for myself but last night I made a ruffly 20 mile drive down pch at ruffly 60mph and averaged 30.1mpg. At 80mph I'm making around 28mpg. (on the throttle both systems loose miserable to an N/A car so I won't get into that)

Ease of install, long term maintenance, and price: This needs to factor into your price. (and btw you guys know I'm a lil bias here) but if it makes you feel better I only have 3 aps GTO's in my shop right now so we have plenty of experience with both. Install time on a maggie = 10-12 hours. Install time on an aps system 30-40hours. Maggie virtually maintenance free. Out of the at least 20 maggies we have done here at the shop I don't think we have had one comeback over 3 years. I'm virtually married to every turbo car that has come out of my shop in the last 5 years aps car or not. (that meens i see them way too much.)
Heat: If you think the magnacharger is going to put out more heat than a turbo, you have never popped the hood of a turbo car after a long run at night. (watch your facial hair please and enjoy the show). Now anytime your gona make good hp your going to make heat, its a direct function of power. And again both systems will loose to an N/A setup, but with the new design that maggie has on the blower heat soak is all but non existent. If you let the maggie sit for a couple of mintues with the motor off the blower does collect some of the heat out of the motor but that is all but gone after about 1 min of driving. As long as shes on and air is moving over the heat exchanger, shes cool.


In conclusion (and I know I'm going to have revisit this post more than once :)) If you want to have the fastest G8 in your town Its near impossible to beat the overall power that can be produced by a turbo car. (and aps makes the nicest turbo systems I have ever seen.)
If you want to make a lot of power, drive it everyday, pass smog, and not have to visit your local shop at least once every 6 months.
Maggie is the way to go.

I hope I haven't ruffled to many feathers

Mike Haddad

Exactly!

APS vs 112HH maggie

http://frame.revver.com/frame/500x390/443932.jpg (http://revver.com/video/443932/affiliate/101019/gto-vs-gto/?action=view&current=gto-vs-gto)

haddadmotorsports-

You mentioned that the turbo cars are always in your shop. Why are they returning? WHat is being serviced or broken.

I really like the idea of a turbo because I really don't like the sound of the superchargers an dhte fact that they are almost silent. BUt if the SC is really that much more reliable, and more of a plug and play thing, I might be swayed. THis would be put on a daily driven car btw.

JEff

I'd really like to hear your response from the post above

what range do you race in?

0-90?

90-170?

Think about it.

What do I want? I want something that when some wise guy pulls up next to me thinking I have just a "little 'ol G8" and thinks he has the fastest thing in the world, I can give it a little gas, and his draw drops in astonishment as he says "HOLY ****!!"

JEff

haddadmotorsports-

You mentioned that the turbo cars are always in your shop. Why are they returning? WHat is being serviced or broken.

I really like the idea of a turbo because I really don't like the sound of the superchargers an dhte fact that they are almost silent. BUt if the SC is really that much more reliable, and more of a plug and play thing, I might be swayed. THis would be put on a daily driven car btw.

JEff

I assure you, some of the cutomers I've takin for a ride were disapointed with how much noise this blower makes. Its all but non existent. Everyone is expecting this thing to sound like an 03-04 cobra (quite the contrary). If I took the magnacharger sticker off the car and didn't pop the hood nobody would ever know it was supercharged. (At any throttle position or load)

Rest assured for those of you that do like the blower wine at full throttle all you need is an open element air intake and a smaller pulley and you'll get your wish.

I don't want to go into to much detail but if your car is going to be daily driven there really isn't a better mod out there for your car.

There is a law of statistics however to keep in mind (I call it murphy's law). The more complex something is the better the odds are that something is going to go wrong. It just doesn't get much simpler than the magnacharger.
On a second note rpms ae a big factor in the longevity of any mechanical component. The magnacharger is going to be spinning at virtually 1/3 the speed of any turbo or centrifugal system.

Thanks
Mike Haddad

What do I want? I want something that when some wise guy pulls up next to me thinking I have just a "little 'ol G8" and thinks he has the fastest thing in the world, I can give it a little gas, and his draw drops in astonishment as he says "HOLY ****!!"

JEff

I get that everyday.

And right after that they say "What the hell is it".

Thanks
Mike Haddad

That is awesome to hear that people get that reaction lol

well after reading these posts and doing my own research I am for sure going to get blown, as some put it. . .

If seat of the pants is what you're after....magnacharger hands down.
watch the aps vs 112HH video and you'll see. I won the 1/8 and he had 300 more flywheel hp then I did.

Loboost walks me to 12.2@112 (in sig)

If you want to live on the edge then it's the turbo you want. The SOTP pull once you hit 3500-4000 RPM is absolutely indescribable. But you will be living on the edge as far as having your vehicle running as well. The guys who do best with turbos are guys who really like working on their vehicles....because you most definitely will be working on them.

However, if you want to install it and forget it, you can't do better than a supercharger from Magnuson Products. Why do you think Cadillac and Chevy uses the same Eaton 6th-generation rotor groups for their 2009 CTS-V and the new ZR1 Corvette? Because they know these systems will be both high-performance and low-maintenance.

Having a lot of personal experience with turbo vehicles, I find it unfair that people state they are this unreliable. A turbo system done INCORRECTLY will cause nothing but headaches. A turbo system done well, should be equally reliable as a supercharger. A turbo is MORE efficient in creating power, but requires knowledge in both tuning and how they work in detail.

I assure you, some of the cutomers I've takin for a ride were disapointed with how much noise this blower makes. Its all but non existent. Everyone is expecting this thing to sound like an 03-04 cobra (quite the contrary). If I took the magnacharger sticker off the car and didn't pop the hood nobody would ever know it was supercharged. (At any throttle position or load)

Rest assured for those of you that do like the blower wine at full throttle all you need is an open element air intake and a smaller pulley and you'll get your wish.

I don't want to go into to much detail but if your car is going to be daily driven there really isn't a better mod out there for your car.

There is a law of statistics however to keep in mind (I call it murphy's law). The more complex something is the better the odds are that something is going to go wrong. It just doesn't get much simpler than the magnacharger.
On a second note rpms ae a big factor in the longevity of any mechanical component. The magnacharger is going to be spinning at virtually 1/3 the speed of any turbo or centrifugal system.

Thanks
Mike Haddad


Mike-

While I appreciate you reply and input on the SC. You still didn't answer what the problems were/are with the turbo cars.


Mr. Sandog
If you want to live on the edge then it's the turbo you want. The SOTP pull once you hit 3500-4000 RPM is absolutely indescribable. But you will be living on the edge as far as having your vehicle running as well. The guys who do best with turbos are guys who really like working on their vehicles....because you most definitely will be working on them.

However, if you want to install it and forget it, you can't do better than a supercharger from Magnuson Products. Why do you think Cadillac and Chevy uses the same Eaton 6th-generation rotor groups for their 2009 CTS-V and the new ZR1 Corvette? Because they know these systems will be both high-performance and low-maintenance.

I don't know why they chose to go with a SC. MAybe ins. reasons? As far as a turbo being unreliable, I had a 90 Turbo Talon and my Father has a 2000 (?) Audi 2.7 TT A6 and both of our cars were/are over 100,000 with no problems with anything that had to do with the turbos.

JEff

Having a lot of personal experience with turbo vehicles, I find it unfair that people state they are this unreliable. A turbo system done INCORRECTLY will cause nothing but headaches. A turbo system done well, should be equally reliable as a supercharger. A turbo is MORE efficient in creating power, but requires knowledge in both tuning and how they work in detail.

Do me a favor please name all the non factory turbo cars you have had built or built yourself. (please note: turbo cars that are built by the car manufacturers as turbo cars have millions of dollars invested in the R&D of the entire package from nose to tail.
Where as the average turbo system has maybe 10s of thousands invested in R&D, and thats rare. And please also remeber that this car was engineeried to be N/A not boosted.) (BTW: I am not here to belittle anyone simply trying to make an educated point)

Secondly: Part of the argument here is price and there is no way a turbo system can compete with a blower system.

Now I agree with you as far efficiency goes. Having a knowledgeable shop who is willing to do the job and the tunning properly. We happen to have a very proper reliable turbo car. The customer also has over 50k invested. (and it still isn't gona be more reliable than the maggie. fast as **** though)


Mike-

While I appreciate you reply and input on the SC. You still didn't answer what the problems were/are with the turbo cars.




I don't know why they chose to go with a SC. MAybe ins. reasons? As far as a turbo being unreliable, I had a 90 Turbo Talon and my Father has a 2000 (?) Audi 2.7 TT A6 and both of our cars were/are over 100,000 with no problems with anything that had to do with the turbos.

JEff

As far as problems go: We find ourselves replacing a turbo or two a lot more often than superchargers.(btw: I'm not talking about short term reliability I mean the long run, most of you don't get a chance to see your favorite magazine car 6 months later, I'd be willing to bet its back at a shop.) Massive amounts of tubing, resulting in constant blowing off of tubes and hunting down leaks. (in places most humans can't get there hands in.) Good luck keeping spark plug wires alive. 99% of the time the car ends up getting a very expensive fuel system (this one can also apply to any big power cars)(Oh and thats more stuff that can and has failed, and no we don't use cheap pumps)

Those are some nice factory cars. :) and I have more than one friend that work at Audi dealerships and they go through there fair share of turbo problems.

In conclusion: There is definitely a place in this world for non factory turbo cars, but it is definitely not for the masses. And as I've said somewhere before, its hard to beat a properly built turbo car. Just be ready to open the wallet a lil further.

Thanks
Mike Haddad

Thanks MIke, appreciate the discussion.

JEff

this is where a compromise takes place and those who want the best of both worlds, buy a centrifigal SC... i'm waiting to see how the final kits stack up against each other...

Mike, if someone was gonna run a twin setup on the g8, running whatever boost the wastegate is set at (6-9 psi), and the car is dyno tuned, what else is to go wrong? IC pipes blow off, but you have ways of correcting that...

this is where a compromise takes place and those who want the best of both worlds, buy a centrifigal SC...

Actually, unless you are building a race-only vehicle, a centrifugal is the worst of both worlds; the lag of a turbo, with the parasitic loss of a supercharger.

this is where a compromise takes place and those who want the best of both worlds, buy a centrifigal SC... i'm waiting to see how the final kits stack up against each other...

Mike, if someone was gonna run a twin setup on the g8, running whatever boost the wastegate is set at (6-9 psi), and the car is dyno tuned, what else is to go wrong? IC pipes blow off, but you have ways of correcting that...

It all comes back to time which = $$$

Yes if we do have problems with tubing, we will typically weld a bead where the tube meets a rubber coupling. We will also upgrade the hose clamps to heavy duty T clamps. We had some systems where the tubing was so thin that by the time we got enough pressure on the clamp the tubing would start to collapse.
If you guys look at any proper turbo race car there aren't any rubber couplings anywhere. They use expensive flanges.

Every turbo car needs a proper boost controller. My fav is the eboost 2. More $$$ fellas.

I forgot to mention how many times I've seen poorly designed oiling systems for turbos. Turbos are very picky about there oiling. Not enough oil and they fry, too much oil and they blow there seals.

Thanks
Mike Haddad

Do me a favor please name all the non factory turbo cars you have had built or built yourself. (please note: turbo cars that are built by the car manufacturers as turbo cars have millions of dollars invested in the R&D of the entire package from nose to tail.
Where as the average turbo system has maybe 10s of thousands invested in R&D, and thats rare. And please also remeber that this car was engineeried to be N/A not boosted.) (BTW: I am not here to belittle anyone simply trying to make an educated point)

1983 Camaro, 383 stroker, twin 60-1 turbochargers, dual A1000 fuel pumps, currently running at 15psi making just shy of 800hp. Its been together for 3 years now. The T-56 in the car has caused the biggest headache, but thats about it.

Also have seen a friends single turbo t88 LS1 camaro (847rwhp) that he daily drove for 3 years. Not a single problem with that car.

As you said... Money. Both cars have a LOT of money invested into them. They both have built short blocks (Aftermarket), insane fuel systems, and it wasn't a "weekend bolt on". Both cars took MONTHS.

Secondly: Part of the argument here is price and there is no way a turbo system can compete with a blower system.

Refer to above.

I'm not saying that blowers aren't great. Roots blowers are cheap and reliable compared to turbo setups. I'm just trying to say, that they aren't this unreliable source of headaches, just due to being turbos. I've also owned factory turbocharged cars with 100+K miles on the stock turbos, which were being driven beyond their factory spec.

What do I plan on doing? Buying your supercharger kit. :)

1983 Camaro, 383 stroker, twin 60-1 turbochargers, dual A1000 fuel pumps, currently running at 15psi making just shy of 800hp. Its been together for 3 years now. The T-56 in the car has caused the biggest headache, but thats about it.

Also have seen a friends single turbo t88 LS1 camaro (847rwhp) that he daily drove for 3 years. Not a single problem with that car.

As you said... Money. Both cars have a LOT of money invested into them. They both have built short blocks (Aftermarket), insane fuel systems, and it wasn't a "weekend bolt on". Both cars took MONTHS.



Refer to above.

I'm not saying that blowers aren't great. Roots blowers are cheap and reliable compared to turbo setups. I'm just trying to say, that they aren't this unreliable source of headaches, just due to being turbos. I've also owned factory turbocharged cars with 100+K miles on the stock turbos, which were being driven beyond their factory spec.

What do I plan on doing? Buying your supercharger kit. :)
:judge::judge:

I only have to open the hood to let people drool.
serious.

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Ok..I lied...I gotta open it for dyno pulls too!

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Some drool while I dyno!
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I wonder if STS is making a turbo system, they're CA legal and look more simple than other turbo systems to install.

I sent them (STS) a email asking about that and they sent me a link to their "generic" setup. They wanted me to call in and talk to them for details. I haven't had time and I don't have a G8 yet so it would be a waste of their time for me to call right now. Besides I think (partly based on this thread) that I'll be going with a supercharger if I decide to do anything.

+1 for the blower!

Can't beat the hood bling of a blower plus it's whine leaves little doubt that you ain't playin around.

I wonder if STS is making a turbo system, they're CA legal and look more simple than other turbo systems to install.

You still need to fab the intake pipe. That part isn't so simple for the avg user.

My experience with a turbo was on my 1996 Impala SS. I guess I fell into the "married to turbo problems" category Mike speaks of. There were endless exhaust leaks, cracked headers, broken welds. Then I found myself changing the oil supply hose every year as it was getting heat cracked. This required removing the turbo to gain access. I kept getting high RPM misses until I figured out the proper spark plug gap. Tuning it was a pain as well because boost is not rpm dependent. Then I broke two ring lands because of too much timing.

Granted, the APS looks like a FAR better system than the Turbo Technology setup I had for the Impy. All I know is that I had enough turbo "fun" for a while. The power was incredible, and it was a quiet running daily driver. Too many headaches for me, though.

This time around I'm waiting to enjoy a little more of my warranty, then looking into a supercharger.

This time around I'm waiting to enjoy a little more of my warranty, then looking into a supercharger.

Welcome to the club!:driving:

don't sweat the warranty...unless the blower breaks something...it's covered

I've told myself that before! I'm thinking the blower will break the tranny or the rear end first. :gr_jest:

I've told myself that before! I'm thinking the blower will break the tranny or the rear end first. :gr_jest:

painfully true!!:judge:

Has anyone broken their trans yet ?

i see this is an old thread, but these cars were made to be blown, not turbo'd.

that is all.

i see this is an old thread, but these cars were made to be blown, not turbo'd.

that is all.

Could you explain this to me? Why would it matter?

Just asking,
Jeff

Has anyone broken their trans yet ?

Not that i know of

Mine is still destroying 2nd and 3rd, and I'm comming up on 30k of boosted abbuse.

Thanks Mike Haddad

Could you explain this to me? Why would it matter?

Just asking,
Jeff
Big American V8s are just meant to be supercharged. You can put a turbo on anything else.

Don't ask me why, that's just the way it is.

Tell that to the guys running single digits/breaking records on drag radials lol.

Big American V8s are just meant to be supercharged. You can put a turbo on anything else.

Don't ask me why, that's just the way it is.

get yourself any supercharger you want and we will meet in the spring. :)

get yourself any supercharger you want and we will meet in the spring. :)


Sounds good to me! I'm game :)

Sounds good to me! I'm game :)

we need to start a **** talking thread. there isn't enough of that around here.

we need to start a **** talking thread. there isn't enough of that around here.


The problem is that people take it personally and it gets out of control. The local Vegas forums are s*&t talkin all the time. There is alot of shop competition and it gets outta hand quick. We are all here for fun and I think a little **** talk is cool but alot times people make it personal.

Oh yeah, my plan is to beat your 11.4 but I know you've stepped up your game too since that run. This year should be interesting. :D