Folks (and I know three high-level Pontiackers who read this blog),

Pleas do not allow the GM motor mistakes of the past 20 years visited upon the new G8. We already know you are planning a GXP edition with the LS3 but have been coy about confirming it and may delay news about it until 2010 model cycle. Fatal mistake.

GM Stateside car sales have been decling as a steady trend over the past 15 years. GM has righteously earned a reputation for not putting it best engines in new models for a year or two after introduction. This has to stop.

Annouce the LS3 NOW for God's sake and get it into the G8 before the second model year comes around. This car needs as much excitement as you can muster and the LS3 is your ticket to showroon traffic.

Please prove me wrong and demonstrate that you are not the GM of old. Smack the LS3 GXP G8 into the line-up and the showrooms ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm assuming that they'll put the LS3 in a GXP model. It just makes too much sense to do it. The G8 competes against the Charger/300C so why not make it compete against the SRT8 models.

I'm torn on waiting for the GXP or just modding the GT with exhaust, CAI and tune.

Hope to see a LS3 GXP out soon. We can only hope the right people are listening.

Flame me if you must but I hope the GXP gets the HSV style taillamps
Sorry I couldn't find a better picture than this and I wasn't about to search forever for a better one, but I think most of you know what this one looks like.
http://www.g8board.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=113&d=1184830490

Found better pictures...
I have both and think I prefer the big wing......but mine is on a VXR8

http://www.wortec.co.uk/vxr8/wing3.jpg
http://www.wortec.co.uk/vxr8/wing4.jpg
http://www.wortec.co.uk/vxr8/wing5.jpg

I agree that those lights look much better than those shown on the G8 (at least so far). But it looks like it will require a whole new rear bumper cover to use those lights on the G8.

Folks (and I know three high-level Pontiackers who read this blog),

Pleas do not allow the GM motor mistakes of the past 20 years visited upon the new G8. We already know you are planning a GXP edition with the LS3 but have been coy about confirming it and may delay news about it until 2010 model cycle. Fatal mistake.

GM Stateside car sales have been decling as a steady trend over the past 15 years. GM has righteously earned a reputation for not putting it best engines in new models for a year or two after introduction. This has to stop.

Annouce the LS3 NOW for God's sake and get it into the G8 before the second model year comes around. This car needs as much excitement as you can muster and the LS3 is your ticket to showroon traffic.

Please prove me wrong and demonstrate that you are not the GM of old. Smack the LS3 GXP G8 into the line-up and the showrooms ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think you're cutting GM a bit short. Consider, how long did it take before the Solstice GXP came out after the Solstice was originally released? A year maybe? There's no doubt about it that GM will have a GXP model available ASAP. The G8 is now the flagship for the Pontiac performance as it is the replacement for both the Grand Prix and Bonneville. The absence of a GXP G8, whereas its cheaper siblings have it is glaring. GM knows this. Trust me, the G8 GXP will be out sooner than you think.

Also consider that there are numerous camoflouged G8 test mules out there, which is a bit weird considering that the G8 has already been revealed and will begin production very very soon (if it hasn't already). So why would GM be disguising G8 test mules AFTER the car has been announced/shown? The only conclusion is that it's not a normal G8 :-)

:burnout:If the GXP comes with a LS3, I'm selling the goat

Trust me, GM is working on a Direct Injection V8 companion to the V6 and I4 they have now. In fact they have converted existing small blocks into such animals, complete with VVT, AFM, and cupped pistons (to make room for the injectors - sort of like reverse hemi; but want/need to do a complete redesign of heads and valvetrain to make it not only reliable but affordable to produce in volume. First rumored use is the new Camaro and Impala, but I expect, no demand, ;) that Pontiac gets it first.

I agree that those lights look much better than those shown on the G8 (at least so far). But it looks like it will require a whole new rear bumper cover to use those lights on the G8.

It doesn't look to be much more difficult to swap out than the GTO front bumper for a Monaro piece. After I saw the :quoties:better:quoties: pics, I though about getting the GT & modding it to no end. If Holden has plug in style wiring for the tail lights (like the GTO), then we can swap over to the HSV bumper cover & tail lights without a mess. But, the cost of any HSV parts. :cry:

Folks (and I know three high-level Pontiackers who read this blog),

Pleas do not allow the GM motor mistakes of the past 20 years visited upon the new G8. We already know you are planning a GXP edition with the LS3 but have been coy about confirming it and may delay news about it until 2010 model cycle. Fatal mistake.

GM Stateside car sales have been decling as a steady trend over the past 15 years. GM has righteously earned a reputation for not putting it best engines in new models for a year or two after introduction. This has to stop.

Annouce the LS3 NOW for God's sake and get it into the G8 before the second model year comes around. This car needs as much excitement as you can muster and the LS3 is your ticket to showroon traffic.

Please prove me wrong and demonstrate that you are not the GM of old. Smack the LS3 GXP G8 into the line-up and the showrooms ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree 100% but they probably won't release any info until every one who initially wants a G8 gets one and dump on us that there will be an LS3 (GXP) offering coming soon. Traditional GM. Sell the base then try and upgrade them a year later. It does work in some cases, but sucks for us.

well that's the way to market it. sell them the "beta" or first gen. then after the flaws have surfaced, sell them the "improved" one. sheesh.

Well I think it would be much better to have that new LS9 in the engine bay of the G8.. If the CTS V is getting it so can the G8.... A mildly de-tuned version of course...

I don't see a problem with "overlap" because the C6,CTS-V, And GTO all have the LS2 motor.. So it shouldn't be a problem with "overlap" for the G8 to get the same engine as the CTS-V and Z07,

Audi, BMW, and Mercedes don't have a problem with sticking the same engine in all of their models... And it works out pretty damn good for them.. So I'm sure it would work out pretty good for GM as well..

It would be nice for people to see a G8 GXP and be like that things' got the same motor as the new crazy vette... Would make for a killer sedan and the aftermarket support would be huge for that car..

As far as the marketing idea goes... It would be a better idea to get all the models out at once.. or get the GXP asap.. Audi doesn't see a problem with this idea of bringing out the Hipo models first because the new S5 is out which is an incredible coupe.. But the regular A5 wont be out till march-april time.. The S5 is so good that there is a waiting list till towards the end of march...

So a G8 GXP would not only bring Pontiac back into the game of super cool uber sedans, But it will definitely set the trend for better things to come out from GM. It would definitely give BMW, Mercedes and Audi something to worry about...

As far as exterior changes go.. I would like to see a HSV Coupe 4' inspired widebody kit along with the HSV 20' wheels and big brakes... 8 piston on all fours :) Interior is a great design, Some stainless steel and carbon fiber trim would set it off nice and alcantara headliner... And I wouldn't mind paying $40k for that because you get a hell of car with alot to offer.. I mean a base price S4 starts around $45k...

So I think the General should something right for once and listen to what the people want.. :)

Folks (and I know three high-level Pontiackers who read this blog),

Pleas do not allow the GM motor mistakes of the past 20 years visited upon the new G8. We already know you are planning a GXP edition with the LS3 but have been coy about confirming it and may delay news about it until 2010 model cycle. Fatal mistake.

GM Stateside car sales have been decling as a steady trend over the past 15 years. GM has righteously earned a reputation for not putting it best engines in new models for a year or two after introduction. This has to stop.

Annouce the LS3 NOW for God's sake and get it into the G8 before the second model year comes around. This car needs as much excitement as you can muster and the LS3 is your ticket to showroon traffic.

Please prove me wrong and demonstrate that you are not the GM of old. Smack the LS3 GXP G8 into the line-up and the showrooms ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Most manufacturers, regardless of whether they’re making washers or cars, can’t just do as one person requests. Most will try to react to the marketplace as quickly as they can. However, building a car isn’t a matter of picking parts out of a parts bin you’ve got stashed somewhere. GM doesn’t have LS3’s sitting in a warehouse doing nothing but gathering dust. Most manufacturer’s run “lean” or perhaps you’ve heard of it as Just In Time manufacturing. Meaning, most parts are assembled AS NEEDED. In which case, all current LS3’s that are physically being assembled are for Vette’s. In order to meet production requirements for a G8 GXP and any other platform utilizing this engine, production must be ramped up. This means increasing plant capacity, hiring more people, etc. This stuff doesn’t happen overnight. There are more logistics behind the scenes. This is of course after a cost benefit analysis is done to determine whether making this investment is worth the reward!

Most manufacturers, regardless of whether they’re making washers or cars, can’t just do as one person requests. Most will try to react to the marketplace as quickly as they can. However, building a car isn’t a matter of picking parts out of a parts bin you’ve got stashed somewhere. GM doesn’t have LS3’s sitting in a warehouse doing nothing but gathering dust. Most manufacturer’s run “lean” or perhaps you’ve heard of it as Just In Time manufacturing. Meaning, most parts are assembled AS NEEDED. In which case, all current LS3’s that are physically being assembled are for Vette’s. In order to meet production requirements for a G8 GXP and any other platform utilizing this engine, production must be ramped up. This means increasing plant capacity, hiring more people, etc. This stuff doesn’t happen overnight. There are more logistics behind the scenes. This is of course after a cost benefit analysis is done to determine whether making this investment is worth the reward!

In essence, analyzing it to it's death. :gr_jest:

The problem is that a GXP G8 (it's getting a little alphabet soupy in here) won't make money for Poncho or the General. At least not a enough to give a sh1t about.

Sports cars don't make money for companies, volume commuters do. And with the increasing CAFE standards coming, you better get your V8 fix now because I have a feeling they're going to get scarce.

But I sure as hell would like to see one....

They don't lose money on sports cars either. The margins are in fact much better. The problem is as you say, volume. In The General's case they should take anything they can get. A lower production halo car of sorts for Pontiac wouldn't neccesarily be a bad thing. What I think bodes well for those of us wanting a GXP model is that they already make one for the Australian Commodore HSV model. GM just needs to pick the right motor for US emissions compliance, gas guzzler tax be damned, and an LS3 seems to be a fine choice.

Part of the reason people snicker when you mention Pontiac in the same sentence with performance is the abundance of lousy rotten commuter cars like Sunbird. If Pontiac really intends to be taken seriously, they need a model that can kick raw Euro ass and make all the motor-reviewing wags sit up and take notice. No way around it I'm afraid.

they need a model that can kick raw Euro ass and make all the motor-reviewing wags sit up and take notice. No way around it I'm afraid.

LS9 Powered HSV GTS as G8 GXP to fulfill that request... :)... and it will sell even if priced at $50k...

Audi S5 base price $55,000 364HP V8 AWD 6 speed only.... 2 door coupe.. So $50,000 for a fully loaded G8 with all the goodies is a good deal imho.. :wiggle:

People need to stop thinking "I would never pay that much for a Pontiac" My response... it's not a pontiac.. its proven Australian performance and luxury....

Unfortunately, in today's climate, European and Japanese cars get most of the praise from the car-reviewing media. I believe that if the new American models are to get a fair shake or second look, they almost have to twice as good as the competition for half the money.

While that is unrealistic, if a G8 GXP for example, could hit 60 in under 5 secs, 1/4 mile in the 12's, skipad flawlessly at over .8g and do this for under $38K, even the stiff sockets that inhabit Car & Driver would have to take notice and give the car its due.

Probably asking too much though.

Unfortunately, in today's climate, European and Japanese cars get most of the praise from the car-reviewing media. I believe that if the new American models are to get a fair shake or second look, they almost have to twice as good as the competition for half the money.

While that is unrealistic, if a G8 GXP for example, could hit 60 in under 5 secs, 1/4 mile in the 12's, skipad flawlessly at over .8g and do this for under $38K, even the stiff sockets that inhabit Car & Driver would have to take notice and give the car its due.

Probably asking too much though.


I think the GXP will be very very close. I belive the GT can do most all above with a cam, exhaust, tune, etc. So that leaves the door open for the GXP to come with some nice styling and interior upgrades and its a sure fire.

I think GM is going to suprise us with the GXP. They are teasing us with the GT. Even if it doesnt come with the LS9 :wall: I think it will still has some serious hp and start around 38-39k.

In essence, analyzing it to it's death. :gr_jest:

In the line of business I'm in, in the role I'm in, for the fairly large company I work for (General Electric), my job is to question, analyze, cost, pick a part, and challenge the status qou on every piece of data I work on in order to eliminate "fat" and run lean.

Six Sigma my friend.

They don't lose money on sports cars either. The margins are in fact much better. The problem is as you say, volume. In The General's case they should take anything they can get. A lower production halo car of sorts for Pontiac wouldn't neccesarily be a bad thing. What I think bodes well for those of us wanting a GXP model is that they already make one for the Australian Commodore HSV model. GM just needs to pick the right motor for US emissions compliance, gas guzzler tax be damned, and an LS3 seems to be a fine choice.

Does a "sports car" garner more "margin" than a non-sports car in GM's portfolio? Absolutely. You won't get any argument there. But not a heck of a lot more, and certainly not anywhere near those of their trucks and SUV's.