Waiting for GXP, New MagnaCharger seems ideal for the G8, but for people with far more experience than me with superchargers,
Couple quick questions,

Some of the centrifugal supperchargers seem to have belt problems,
Is the belt set up on the Maggie pretty bullet proof??

Is the intercooler air to water?
Does the intercooler help cool the intake air even when it's not on boost. Maybe you could run a little more timing at light throttle?

Sorry to be a dummie, just haven't seen these addressed anywhere.

Oxygen

Waiting for GXP, New MagnaCharger seems ideal for the G8, but for people with far more experience than me with superchargers,
Couple quick questions,

Some of the centrifugal supperchargers seem to have belt problems,
Is the belt set up on the Maggie pretty bullet proof??

Is the intercooler air to water?
Does the intercooler help cool the intake air even when it's not on boost. Maybe you could run a little more timing at light throttle?

Sorry to be a dummie, just haven't seen these addressed anywhere.

Oxygen

I killled about a tank of gas yesterday somewhere between 4-6 thousand rpm all day long, constantly upshifting and downshifting with not a problem in sight.

Yes it is an air to water system.

Yes the intercooler does cool the intake charge even when your not on boost. But it technically can't go below ambient temperatures. (We are working on something for that however).

Thanks
Mike Haddad

I killled about a tank of gas yesterday somewhere between 4-6 thousand rpm all day long, constantly upshifting and downshifting with not a problem in sight.

Yes it is an air to water system.

Yes the intercooler does cool the intake charge even when your not on boost. But it technically can't go below ambient temperatures. (We are working on something for that however).

Thanks
Mike Haddad


Thanks for the quick reply Mike, Looks like the perfect setup for the street,

Power where you can use it
Trouble free, or so I have heard.
Lots of Bling factor
6 Gen. efficiency with intercooler Less hours to install.
What's not to love

Oxygen

What size is the FMIC?
How many fins per inch on the FMIC?
How many fins per inch on the IC?
What pump comes in the kit?
Do you have any pics of the complete kit not installed?

I have a Maggie on my GTO and had some severe belt throwing problems for a while. After I switched out the (third) tensioner (supplied by the mfg.) to the ECS one and made sure everything was "lined up" correctly the belt problems went away. The Maggie is a very good choice for light duty boost.

JET

I have a Maggie on my GTO and had some severe belt throwing problems for a while. After I switched out the (third) tensioner (supplied by the mfg.) to the ECS one and made sure everything was "lined up" correctly the belt problems went away. The Maggie is a very good choice for light duty boost.

JET

That was then this is now Mr J.E.T., those problems are long past. Thank you so much for your input. Been running 13 psi on my personal vehicle for a year now.

Have you purchased a G8 yet?

I have 3800 trouble free miles with the 1900 on my G8 hence far. I love the reliability, and the hassle free problems this blower has. With turbo systems (sts) and other centrifugal chargers they seem to have more issues, such as oil pumps going out, or belts being thrown, this system is such a blast, and the videos are in the works.

I have 3800 trouble free miles with the 1900 on my G8 hence far. I love the reliability, and the hassle free problems this blower has. With turbo systems (sts) and other centrifugal chargers they seem to have more issues, such as oil pumps going out, or belts being thrown, this system is such a blast, and the videos are in the works.

NICE!

That was then this is now Mr J.E.T., those problems are long past. Thank you so much for your input. Been running 13 psi on my personal vehicle for a year now.

Have you purchased a G8 yet?

I dunno about "long past problems" Brain, check the GTO boards from time to time. I'm waiting for the GXP this Fall and believe me, mod time is not even a consideration on this one.

JET

PS: That's a Vega you're running....... isn't it?:driving:

I dunno about "long past problems" Brain, check the GTO boards from time to time. I'm waiting for the GXP this Fall and believe me, mod time is not even a consideration on this one.

JET

PS: That's a Vega you're running....... isn't it?:driving:

Negative, nice try though.

Negative, nice try though.


I know it's either that, a Cavalier or an F150.......right?


JET

I know it's either that, a Cavalier or an F150.......right?


JET

actually its a 620 rwhp 2004 Chevy Silverado, what is your point? Boy, you have not changed ehh?

I have a Maggie on my GTO and had some severe belt throwing problems for a while. After I switched out the (third) tensioner (supplied by the mfg.) to the ECS one and made sure everything was "lined up" correctly the belt problems went away. The Maggie is a very good choice for light duty boost.

JET

I haven't "thrown" a belt yet. And believe me, I'm sure I'm alot harder on vehicles then you are.

What size is the FMIC?
How many fins per inch on the FMIC?
How many fins per inch on the IC?
What pump comes in the kit?
Do you have any pics of the complete kit not installed?

Anyone???????????

Anyone???????????

What size is the FMIC?
18.25x14.75
How many fins per inch on the FMIC?
24
How many fins per inch on the IC?
24
What pump comes in the kit?
Bosch (same as used in the FORD Lighting and Cobra.
Do you have any pics of the complete kit not installed?

Not yet.

I killled about a tank of gas yesterday somewhere between 4-6 thousand rpm all day long, constantly upshifting and downshifting with not a problem in sight.

Yes it is an air to water system.

Yes the intercooler does cool the intake charge even when your not on boost. But it technically can't go below ambient temperatures. (We are working on something for that however).

Thanks
Mike Haddad

Just out of curiousity, what does this do for gas mileage? Hate to see it go lower than the 16 mpg I'm getting stock.

Just out of curiousity, what does this do for gas mileage? Hate to see it go lower than the 16 mpg I'm getting stock.



From what Brian said, they actually got an INCREASE in mileage on my car. I took off the DOD, because I really dont give a $hit about gas mileage. :)

Just out of curiousity, what does this do for gas mileage? Hate to see it go lower than the 16 mpg I'm getting stock.


We were seeing mileage numbers in the 26-27+ MPG range under NORMAL DRIVING conditions w/ the AFM. Once you push down on the load pedal, all bets are off.

actually its a 620 rwhp 2004 Chevy Silverado, what is your point? Boy, you have not changed ehh?

Ah, I knew it was a pick-up.:driving: What do you mean, "haven't changed"? I gotta keep you shills honest Brain. As one who knows the "whole truth" about the mod game I think it's important to share what it's really all about, that's all.:judge:

JET

I sense some bad blood between you two. Can't we all just get along? :attachment:

I sense some bad blood between you two. Can't we all just get along? :attachment:


No problems, I love everyone!

I sense some bad blood between you two. Can't we all just get along? :attachment: Yeh, youse guys....let's all join hands and sing a verse of "cum ba ya!"

No problems, I love everyone!
Yeah! Yeah! If you really loved us, you'd get that TVS 2300 ready for our Goats!!!:judge:

Yeh, youse guys....let's all join hands and sing a verse of "cum ba ya!"

Hey, Brain is OK in my book, he's a salesman. We just have a little "history" that's all. I'm done with this thread and wouldn't have replied had he not offered his opinion. Funny part is I actually "endorsed" the Maggie in this thread. It just had some problems that caused several breakdowns (throwing belts, tensioner failures, Magnavolt failure, fuel pumps, etc). When you spend that kind of money you don't like to see your car on a roll-back and then get nothing but a hard time. If anyone is considering FI for their G8 or GXP I strongly advise that you wait at least a year until the bugs are worked out. Don't be a test mule unless you've got very deep pockets and lots of patience.


JET

Hey, Brain is OK in my book, he's a salesman. We just have a little "history" that's all. I'm done with this thread and wouldn't have replied had he not offered his opinion. Funny part is I actually "endorsed" the Maggie in this thread. It just had some problems that caused several breakdowns (throwing belts, tensioner failures, Magnavolt failure, fuel pumps, etc). When you spend that kind of money you don't like to see your car on a roll-back and then get nothing but a hard time. If anyone is considering FI for their G8 or GXP I strongly advise that you wait at least a year until the bugs are worked out. Don't be a test mule unless you've got very deep pockets and lots of patience.


JET

Mr. Jet just cannot let it go:wink2:

Sales ehhh? I guess you could call me that.

Anyhoo.....No need to wait a year, the F.E.A.D, the supercharger, the entire system has been validated with over 600 hours on a steady state stand, 10,000 + road miles, hot and cold climate testing, and certainly GM thinks it works well enough to put on their ZR1 and CTS-V.

The fact of the matter is yes, you had some issues with your early GTO kit, and yes they have been fixed, and yes, we did learn from those issues.

J.E.T. Thanks for your input, it is always welcome.

Yea I figure I'll let Mike at Haddad put some miles on his and see what happens. From phone calls I've had with him he seems pretty upfront and honest and I don't feel he'll BS us just to appease Magna Charger. If all goes well with his, come spring I'll be adding one myself along with a cam.......What's one more road trip out to New Era?! Lol!

GM thinks it works well enough to put on their ZR1 and CTS-V.



I'm sure I'm wrong but doesn't the ZR1 and the CTS-V come with an Eaton SC? Are Magnachargers and Eatons the same SC?

I'm sure I'm wrong but doesn't the ZR1 and the CTS-V come with an Eaton SC? Are Magnachargers and Eatons the same SC?

Yes, Eaton. TVS technology is eaton's stuff. The one for our car is a 1.9L (1900), while the vette/CTS-V get the 2.3L (2300).

Yes, Eaton. TVS technology is eaton's stuff. The one for our car is a 1.9L (1900), while the vette/CTS-V get the 2.3L (2300).

That's incorrect. The 2009 CTS-V will get the same TVS 1900 rotor group the G8 gets from Magnuson; the ZR1 Corvette will get the TVS 2300.

wow and just think that KB has a 2.8 liter blower for the cobras!

Yes, Eaton. TVS technology is eaton's stuff. The one for our car is a 1.9L (1900), while the vette/CTS-V get the 2.3L (2300).

Actually the LSA (CTS-V) is getting the 1900. That is one of the reasons it is only making 556hp compared the the LS9 (ZR1) at 638hp.

Edit: Sandog beat me to it

wow and just think that KB has a 2.8 liter blower for the cobras!

Kenne Bell has a 2.6L blower for LSX motors (including LS2). No reason it shoudn't bolt on to our cars.

so am i hearing "1900 is nice, but 2300 is even more fun"? - when can we see that bad-boy on a g8? ;)

Guys please don't get caught up with the madness of which blower is going to make more power. The limitation exists in the car itself. Believe me this blower system is more than capable of making enough power to destroy just about every component on this car.

and soon enough we aim to prove that to you.

BTW we are making a smog legal, 30mpg , daily drivable, 460rwhp with this car at 6.4 lbs of boost. Wait till we get headers on it and push it to a whole 8 lbs of boost.

The only people who should even be waiting for the 2300 or talking about bigger blowers are those with plans of tranny and motor build ups.

For those of you who are ready for all that, we would be more than happy to start taking deposits on said build ups. Please give us a call with at least $20,000 on hand and we'll get the party started for you.

I've got at least 2 guys working the phones at the shop, so please don't everyone call at once for our stage 3 package. :)

Thanks
Mike Haddad

Guys please don't get caught up with the madness of which blower is going to make more power. The limitation exists in the car itself. Believe me this blower system is more than capable of making enough power to destroy just about every component on this car.

and soon enough we aim to prove that to you.

You're going to blow up your car on purpose? Awesome, take video.

Mike, I think most of us realize you're barely scratching the surface of what the 1900 is capable of. Its just fun to dream about the 2.3L, or even monstrous 2.6/2.8L blowers.

i think the 2.3l blower would best be fitted on the ls3 and the 1.9 on the l76 motors... now, with a built ls3 thats bored and stroked, i could see a 2.6 or 2.8...

i think the 2.3l blower would best be fitted on the ls3 and the 1.9 on the l76 motors... now, with a built ls3 thats bored and stroked, i could see a 2.6 or 2.8...

Your totally right man. Those extra .2 liters of that ls3 are going to allow you to run at least another 300 hp over the L76 :)

I'm not sure what this magical obsession is with the ls3 over the L76. Other than an extra .2 liters. The motor is going to be virtually Identical to the L76. However I don't believe it will have DOD and the compression is a touch higher.

Hrmm less compression?

I might be able to make more power with boost on an l76 over an Ls3 and have DOD. I like both motors a lot. I just can't believe how much of a miracle everyone thinks the ls3 is gona be.

Once you build a motor. It has now become whatever you have just built. It is almost irrelevant what motor you choose to start with.

Thanks
Mike Haddad

Other than an extra .2 liters.

Mike mike mike... boost is a displacement multiplier... That .2L at 7psi is really .3L more displacement.... LOL

Out of curiosity (because I'm lazy and don't feel like searching), I thought the L92 heads actually flowed better then the LS3 heads... Is this true?

*EDIT* nevermind, same heads

well obviously if GM thinks a 2.3 blower is better for a l76, they'd have that motor in the corvette instead of a ls3...

being that the ls3 is slightly bigger motor, it also comes part of a trim level that interests me...

well obviously if GM thinks a 2.3 blower is better for a l76, they'd have that motor in the corvette instead of a ls3...

being that the ls3 is slightly bigger motor, it also comes part of a trim level that interests me...

The LS9 isn't an LS3. Got unlazy and looked it up. Shares similiar parts though, however the LS9 gets upgrades on every aspect of those "similiar" parts.

Not to mention, the LS9 is built for boost, so they're not running a super low amount, like Haddad's kit is, with the 1900 blower. They don't have to worry as much about scattering the internals.