: Chevy Rumored to Sell Rear-Drive Holden Sedan in America: The Pontiac G8 Returns?
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Backing up the last reports from a few months back, General Motors appears ready to bring back the only truly exciting product Pontiac had to offer, the G8. Now with Pontiac dead the car will be badged as a Chevy (likely wearing the Caprice name), but the important part is that it will be based on the rear-drive Holden Commodore platform, just like the G8 was.
The latest rumor comes from the LA Auto Show, where a senior engineer told an Australian outlet that the plan to bring back the rear-drive V8-powered sedan was under consideration for the retail market. It should be noted that currently GM offers the long wheelbase Holden Commodore-based Chevy Caprice as a Police-only vehicle in the U.S.
An unnamed source then reportedly commented that the car has been approved by GM's product planning folks.
With the platform already sold here in the past, federalizing the car wouldn't be difficult either. Now wouldn't a V8-powered 6-speed manual Chevy Caprice performance sedan be just the perfect car for the upcoming Detroit Auto Show?
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uawbaby7 11-22-2010, 09:28 PM It's true!!! It's all over motortrend and CandD!
Tweaky 11-23-2010, 01:37 AM the only truly exciting product Pontiac had to offer, the G8.
I love my G8 and all, but a lot of folks considered the Solstice GXP pretty exciting. The rest was blech though.
DaMaine1 11-23-2010, 07:50 AM :rolleyes:When I see them on the lots is when I will believe.
southerngirlnc 11-24-2010, 10:10 AM I read that article from Motortrend too....Im still disappointed. It will not be a true G8 unless it is a PONTIAC G8, plan and simple. Do you think for one minute that owners of Camaros would be happy if they market the car under BUICK? GM made a mistake...a HUGE mistake!!
Danimal 11-24-2010, 05:02 PM Southerngirlnc,
"It won't be a true G8 unless it's a Pontiac G8?"
Actually, the Pontiac G8 is (was) a Rebadged Holden Commodore, not a Pontiac grown and developed product. No harm, no foul for GM.
At least they are seeing the error of their ways with ever getting rid of it in the first place and (hopefully) bringing it back.
Again, I'll believe it when I see them on lots, and when I do, make mine a 6.0 6M and I'll be a new car owner once again.
:wink2:
southerngirlnc 11-24-2010, 05:29 PM Southerngirlnc,
"It won't be a true G8 unless it's a Pontiac G8?"
Actually, the Pontiac G8 is (was) a Rebadged Holden Commodore, not a Pontiac grown and developed product. No harm, no foul for GM.
At least they are seeing the error of their ways with ever getting rid of it in the first place and (hopefully) bringing it back.
Again, I'll believe it when I see them on lots, and when I do, make mine a 6.0 6M and I'll be a new car owner once again.
:wink2:
Oh, I know the G8 was a rebadge....but if I wanted another G8, I would take a trip "down under" to get one, providing I could afford it...lol!
Im glad that GM is "seeing the error" of their ways but putting under another name, other than PONTIAC, won't be the same. What they need to do is find a way to bring back the Pontiac line....:)
drewdog 11-24-2010, 08:17 PM pontiac, chevy - same difference. at least chevy didn't have the crappy car stigma that pontiac did.
as long as its not a buick ;)
lg68jcu 11-25-2010, 04:06 PM It's true I also heard v-8 only and limited production. No more v6's blow discussions. At least I know what car I will get next. I love this car. The new one will prob be 35k or something. I believe it will be availible next year. I was afraid I was going to need to get a charger. Wohoo. Resale on g8s. Up or down. They are doing great now.
lg68jcu 11-25-2010, 04:13 PM Www.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/1011_pontiac_g8_to_return_as_a_chevy/index.html
Holden_aus 11-26-2010, 05:56 AM well thats means you'll be getting ve series 2 now an the holden redline edition
http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-news/first-drive-holden-ve-series-2-commodore-20100910-154sn.html
http://images.theage.com.au/2010/09/10/1919115/Holden-Commodore-SS-V-Series-2_420-420x0.jpg
Holden_aus 11-26-2010, 06:01 AM I HOPE TO GOD YOU GUYS GET THIS THE REDLINE EDITION SO SEXY!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hcL4SGSQ2k
Holden_aus 11-26-2010, 06:06 AM I also hope you get these aswell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_KaYv-fySQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G54WfdKEig
SRG963 11-26-2010, 09:16 AM The E3 is wicked! Probably priced well above our G8 though.
uawbaby7 11-26-2010, 07:51 PM They'll be priced to compete with Chargers. I'm just glad their coming back...more performance parts, mods, etc. for all of us. I just can't wait to see what she looks like with the bowtie out front. Man, I love these cars!
Holden_aus 11-27-2010, 10:13 PM http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/1011_pontiac_g8_to_return_as_a_chevy/index.html
well this deeply disturbs me, i don't want our commodores to be designed in the us!!! this will piss off many Aussies for sure like myself the commodore is our baby doing this will destroy holden,why take the designing part off us were doing so well with it
GM's decision to bring back the Pontiac G8 as a Chevy is a good-news, bad-news story for its Australian subsidiary, Holden. After decades of ignoring the Australians' engineering efforts, it seems Detroit is about to embrace the Zeta rear drive architecture. But for cost reasons it is likely GM will move further development of the architecture for next-gen Zeta-based cars to Detroit, putting the future of its Australian engineering facility in doubt.
Holden_aus 11-27-2010, 10:17 PM say good bye to the aussie commodore for ever if they decide to do that
Christiancoach 11-28-2010, 07:48 AM When I first read this, I was pretty excited, then I realized, if GM brings it as a Chevy, my car is seriously going to lose it's uniqueness factor. Lots of people will swap out the grill for the Holden version, rebadge the rear, and walla, Holden Commodore. I like the idea of more performance parts, but I hope they don't just change the grill. Maybe it will be time to switch my car over to an HSV GTS front end, and fenders.
fcsuper 11-28-2010, 12:02 PM http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/1011_pontiac_g8_to_return_as_a_chevy/index.html
well this deeply disturbs me, i don't want our commodores to be designed in the us!!! this will piss off many Aussies for sure like myself the commodore is our baby doing this will destroy holden,why take the designing part off us were doing so well with it
Well, I don't know who designed what, but there are some very dated features in the G8 interior that shouldn't never been introduced in an American branded car with an MSRP over $30K. I love my car for it's strengths, and ignore its flaws. But I still have to recognize those flaws. The interior's poor trim fit and finish (much of which was carried over from the Commodores) and outdated styling is very notable. The goofy Atari gage was just bizarre. The primitive glove box door and lock are on par with a Yugo. If these same mistakes are carried over to the to the Caprice with a $35K+ price, the car will fail to the Charger (as mean as it looks) or even the G35 (even though it has its own problems).
Holden_aus 11-29-2010, 04:47 AM Well, I don't know who designed what, but there are some very dated features in the G8 interior that shouldn't never been introduced in an American branded car with an MSRP over $30K. I love my car for it's strengths, and ignore its flaws. But I still have to recognize those flaws. The interior's poor trim fit and finish (much of which was carried over from the Commodores) and outdated styling is very notable. The goofy Atari gage was just bizarre. The primitive glove box door and lock are on par with a Yugo. If these same mistakes are carried over to the to the Caprice with a $35K+ price, the car will fail to the Charger (as mean as it looks) or even the G35 (even though it has its own problems).
thats what happens when gm rebadges an aussie car,we like different things from you guys,best thing about a commodore they last for ever mines 17 years old an still going strong
i dont want gm to take away something from holden they've had for 30 years and turn it to crap,the commodore is the only real holden left now all the rest are re badged crap boxes,ve2 is a vast improvement on ve1,your most likely to get the ve2 now,im really going to hate it when gm ruins commodore thats the day i'm going ford
Holden_aus 11-29-2010, 04:49 AM When I first read this, I was pretty excited, then I realized, if GM brings it as a Chevy, my car is seriously going to lose it's uniqueness factor. Lots of people will swap out the grill for the Holden version, rebadge the rear, and walla, Holden Commodore. I like the idea of more performance parts, but I hope they don't just change the grill. Maybe it will be time to switch my car over to an HSV GTS front end, and fenders.
lol morons do the total opposite over here they put chev badges on there holdens i just shake my head at them with disappointment
zepcom 11-29-2010, 07:17 AM lol morons do the total opposite over here they put chev badges on there holdens i just shake my head at them with disappointment
It's the urge to be "different". If all they sell "where you are" are similar, people turn to rebadging or debadging to change the look of their own ride and give it their own personality.
I think it's somewhat amusing that the "Special Edition" Holdens over there look like Pontiacs and people are adding Pontiac badging to complete that "look". Likewise, there are people over here who have done the full GTS and/or Holden Commodore conversion ... "just to be different". One even made a 1-of-1 G8 GXP to Impala SS conversion with all Chevy parts last year, because that was his favorite namesake and look. He pulled it off quite well, even with the haters chiming in and saying how he 'ruined' a perfectly good GXP.
I don't know what I would do if the most dominant car on the street (in sheer numbers) was the same as what I had. Like our Chevrolet here in the states has quite a few front-wheel-drive "Impalas" around... but honestly, those cars are not typically driven by enthusiasts.
If g8's were more common in the states, I'd surely want to make mine different in some way. In fact, even with the limited number G8's over here in the states, I still made mine "different". Go figure. Most "common folk" who don't know any different just wouldn't notice the differences between a stock G8 and mine. But true G8 enthusiasts will... including myself... and that's why I do it.
TriShield 11-29-2010, 11:00 PM The interior's poor trim fit and finish (much of which was carried over from the Commodores) and outdated styling is very notable. The goofy Atari gage was just bizarre. The primitive glove box door and lock are on par with a Yugo.
Holden just tweaked the car and it no longer has those bizarre gauges. It also has nav in an updated center stack that should be US regulation friendly.
The rest of what you mentioned remains the same. Personally I wish it wasn't made out of plastic that scuffed if you breathed on it hard. It's impossible to keep the lower front door panels mark-free.
TriShield 11-29-2010, 11:02 PM Holden already exports the Commodore as a Chevrolet, even while they were supplying it to Pontiac in the US. It's only natural that they put them on boats bound for the US now.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_bSRmC5GGYuI/Sc9kr5S2o0I/AAAAAAAARNg/ABP8c8KfobY/s400/Chevrolet+Lumina.jpg
http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/gallery/data/500/medium/Lumina_SS_front1.jpg
http://ae-en.chevroletarabia.com/content/dam/Chevrolet/middleeast/master/nscwebsite/en/01_Vehicles/01_Cars/Lumina/03_Multimedia/01_Exterior/01_mm_gal_1/Lumina_Multimedia_Exterior_mm_gal_1_2010_992x350_0 2.jpg
Especially since the Holden Caprice is coming to Chevrolet exclusively for fleet duty.
drewdog 11-29-2010, 11:49 PM i'm very excited about the news - i plan to hold off any further mods as a result
though i know how GM can easily **** things up
Holden_aus 11-30-2010, 03:38 AM It's the urge to be "different". If all they sell "where you are" are similar, people turn to rebadging or debadging to change the look of their own ride and give it their own personality.
I think it's somewhat amusing that the "Special Edition" Holdens over there look like Pontiacs and people are adding Pontiac badging to complete that "look". Likewise, there are people over here who have done the full GTS and/or Holden Commodore conversion ... "just to be different". One even made a 1-of-1 G8 GXP to Impala SS conversion with all Chevy parts last year, because that was his favorite namesake and look. He pulled it off quite well, even with the haters chiming in and saying how he 'ruined' a perfectly good GXP.
I don't know what I would do if the most dominant car on the street (in sheer numbers) was the same as what I had. Like our Chevrolet here in the states has quite a few front-wheel-drive "Impalas" around... but honestly, those cars are not typically driven by enthusiasts.
If g8's were more common in the states, I'd surely want to make mine different in some way. In fact, even with the limited number G8's over here in the states, I still made mine "different". Go figure. Most "common folk" who don't know any different just wouldn't notice the differences between a stock G8 and mine. But true G8 enthusiasts will... including myself... and that's why I do it.
yeah i know what you mean but in aus its way different then that,they do it to follow trends,they think its cool having chev badged commodore,they do it because they have a chev engine,yet they also do it to v6 commodores,they even do it to the ones below a 1994 commodore last of the all holden v8's no association with Chevs what so ever,they even do it to the buick 3800 v6 vr's
http://forums.justcommodores.com.au/attachments/vr-vs/36196d1174030546-supercharged-vr-ss-me-n-michal-013.jpg
Canadarob 11-30-2010, 06:18 AM Holden already exports the Commodore as a Chevrolet, even while they were supplying it to Pontiac in the US. It's only natural that they put them on boats bound for the US now.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_bSRmC5GGYuI/Sc9kr5S2o0I/AAAAAAAARNg/ABP8c8KfobY/s400/Chevrolet+Lumina.jpg
http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/gallery/data/500/medium/Lumina_SS_front1.jpg
http://ae-en.chevroletarabia.com/content/dam/Chevrolet/middleeast/master/nscwebsite/en/01_Vehicles/01_Cars/Lumina/03_Multimedia/01_Exterior/01_mm_gal_1/Lumina_Multimedia_Exterior_mm_gal_1_2010_992x350_0 2.jpg
Especially since the Holden Caprice is coming to Chevrolet exclusively for fleet duty.
I actually like the look of it as a chev. Pictures that surfaced prior to when they announced it informally were a lot cheaper looking.
Also, where do they export it as pictured above, and what is it called?
314bOi 11-30-2010, 02:33 PM It's true I also heard v-8 only and limited production. No more v6's blow discussions. At least I know what car I will get next. I love this car. The new one will prob be 35k or something. I believe it will be availible next year. I was afraid I was going to need to get a charger. Wohoo. Resale on g8s. Up or down. They are doing great now.
One of the reasons I cannot figure this out posted the same day quoting Simcoe.
He mentions "niche" similar to limited huh??? Why the contradictory reports? Irrelevant of what its called, rear drive, V-8, niche.
HEY LUCYYYY!
http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f13/impalas-goal-must-have-not-must-rent-97751/#post2200828
NPh2005 11-30-2010, 02:56 PM I'm wondering what they will call it too.
The Motortrend article says
"And it won't be called Impala. "We have a good name for it," smiled one of the sources."
I think the long wheel base police version is called the Caprice.
Maybe they will call it the Chevelle. Chevelle SS has a nice ring.
jeffgtx 11-30-2010, 03:14 PM They'll probably call it the Chevrolet C8 CXP
:)
Canadarob 11-30-2010, 04:29 PM They'll probably call it the Chevrolet C8 CXP
:)
Chevrolet Commodore SS
ChfPontiac 11-30-2010, 09:12 PM Too bad the "Lumina" name has such a negative history hung around it's neck. I think Lumina SS would work much better than Chevelle. Always hated that name. Caprice is, eh, grandpa-ish. Leave that to the police package. Those names just don't fit. Impala MIGHT work. But a brand new name would be best.
For me, just send it over as-is in Lumina SS form from the middle east market like the red or black ones posted in those pics but with the following issues addressed:
-6 speed manual option for all versions, please
-new higher mount for nav system so the U.S. can actually HAVE a nav system (It's model year 2011, GM)
-bluetooth (Again GM, it's 2011)
-actual, real life, no BS, iPod interface (Still 2011, GM) along with better use of that 7 inch lcd screen...so inefficient!
-front suspension components that last more than 12000 miles
Sure, there were a bunch of other things I could add but the above are the ones I've had a hard time living without. If they addressed these I think you'd be talking about perhaps the BEST all-around car ever sold in the U.S. market. I'm not talking "best car for the money" or "great car except for blah blah blah". I'm talking the BEST, PERIOD. I'd seriously consider paying full sticker for the first black LS3 model to hit U.S. soil.
DJ_JonnyV 11-30-2010, 10:20 PM Heck, just call it the Commodore. My thoughts are to create a performance division for Chevy that includes the Vette, Camaro, Commodore, and maybe a smaller sporty car, like the Cobalt SS was. Kind of like the V series or M series. Just thinking out loud.
PantherBlack358 11-30-2010, 11:16 PM I'm wondering what they will call it too.
The Motortrend article says
"And it won't be called Impala. "We have a good name for it," smiled one of the sources."
I think the long wheel base police version is called the Caprice.
Maybe they will call it the Chevelle. Chevelle SS has a nice ring.
Me and some buddies were discussing possible names at work today too (even shot around Bel Air :D), but Chevelle was also the favorite one!
Drive Customs 12-01-2010, 12:46 AM I just got back from the Cops West show in Ontario, CA a few weeks ago where I got to see the Caprice in person. GM also did about an hour seminar on the future of the GM police cars. The car is a G8 for sure. They only changed a few things to make it a police vehicle. I can not wait to start building some of these as cop cars. As far as it coming to the consumer market they did say it will be police only but I have heard that before. If it does I vote for the "Chevelle SS" badge!!!!
The only Chevy I hope to get in the future is a ZR1.
=)
Holden_aus 12-01-2010, 05:28 AM they should just call it senator something totally different
cozbyrt 12-01-2010, 02:55 PM they should just call it senator something totally different
The Senator is a nice lookin car.
uawbaby7 12-01-2010, 09:20 PM I'm hoping for Chevelle or Nova, personally.
uawbaby7 12-01-2010, 09:24 PM Heck, just call it the Commodore. My thoughts are to create a performance division for Chevy that includes the Vette, Camaro, Commodore, and maybe a smaller sporty car, like the Cobalt SS was. Kind of like the V series or M series. Just thinking out loud.
They had a chance to do it with Pontiac. Imagine this:
Solstice GXP (heckuva little roadster)
G5 GXP(read: Cobalt SS)
G6 GXP (underated performer, overstyled exterior, though)
G8 coupe (Coupe 60 concept? Firebird?)
G8 sedan (We already now)
Imagine that?
PMD G8 12-01-2010, 10:36 PM They had a chance to do it with Pontiac. Imagine this:
Solstice GXP (heckuva little roadster)
G5 GXP(read: Cobalt SS)
G6 GXP (underated performer, overstyled exterior, though)
G8 coupe (Coupe 60 concept? Firebird?)
G8 sedan (We already now)
Imagine that?
I think there was a bit of arm twisting by the Obama administration and Steven Rattner, Obama's "Car Czar"(bunch of BS) when it came to the bailout and Pontiac was a casuality. If they can run Buick with only 3-4 models they could have done exactly the same thing with Pontiac. ACUTALLY this is what they should have been doing for the last 10 years since Pontiac was supposed to be "The Excitement Division".
Imagine
G6 and Variants (Convertible, GXP, etc)
G8
G8 ST
G8 Wagon
Solstice/Solstice GXP
And a G8 styled coupe as the GTO
...and then leave it at that.
What GM was thinking when they decided to dilute the brand by badge engineering was beyond me. G5, G3, Torrent, Aztek, Montana. Seriously, WTF??!?!?
Holden_aus 12-02-2010, 02:31 AM screw releasing it as a chev why re-badge it? do the left hand conversion then release it as the holden commodore range
COMMODORE OMEGA
COMMODORE SV6
COMMODORE SS
SSV
BERLINA
CALAIS
REDLINE
CAPRICE
THEN HSV
CLUBSPORT
GTS
SENATOR
MALOO
R8 TOURING WAGON
GRANGE
W427
and screw caprice and bring back statesman
Canadarob 12-02-2010, 06:11 AM Holden is already selling the g8 in the middle east as a Chevrolet Lumina SS, it's not hard to just ship it to North America.
uawbaby7 12-02-2010, 09:04 PM I think there was a bit of arm twisting by the Obama administration and Steven Rattner, Obama's "Car Czar"(bunch of BS) when it came to the bailout and Pontiac was a casuality. If they can run Buick with only 3-4 models they could have done exactly the same thing with Pontiac. ACUTALLY this is what they should have been doing for the last 10 years since Pontiac was supposed to be "The Excitement Division".
Imagine
G6 and Variants (Convertible, GXP, etc)
G8
G8 ST
G8 Wagon
Solstice/Solstice GXP
And a G8 styled coupe as the GTO
...and then leave it at that.
What GM was thinking when they decided to dilute the brand by badge engineering was beyond me. G5, G3, Torrent, Aztek, Montana. Seriously, WTF??!?!?
I agree about the badge engineering. But if they should've made the G5 perform like the Cobalt SS, IMO. If Pontiac was supposed to be the "Performance" division, they should've gotten the performance "twin". The rest of that stuff, like you said, was stoooopid to move over to Pontiac.
G84ME! 12-06-2010, 10:02 AM I'm happy to hear, but I'll wait...I've been teased before.
I agree, with GM they always find a way to screw things up so I remain fickle on GM as a company honestly. They just can't get right, half ars products all over...leaving out one thing or another (performance often times in most of their lineup) but they have been doing better at least.
If the Chevy G8 comes, then they should use the Camaro RS V6 in the entry level 310HP and an upgraded DI V8 we keep hoping for WITH STICK SHIFT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also...and this goes for most car companies, FYI....we are in a horrid place economicly, wages have lagged behind cost of living for decades, etc etc....the ever higher prices for cars makes me sick. Keep the cost down please...so us normal folk can still have fun with their cars.
RDCTBR 12-08-2010, 08:02 PM Here's your sneak peek fellas, It's not a Commodore but one of our Statesman/Caprices
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs598.ash2/155092_10150131176293943_795258942_7954234_3133395 _n.jpg
Same drivetrain, longer wheelbase, different front/back.
RDCTBR 12-08-2010, 08:03 PM So you'll be getting these bad boys.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/2006-2008_Holden_WM_Caprice_sedan_02.jpg
Holden_aus 12-09-2010, 03:30 AM series 2 ftw,with the holden iq system,its even standard in omegas now
C.O.B.R.A. CC 12-09-2010, 04:35 AM Ugh, that disgusts me. I don't want our cars to be rebadged as Chevys and built by GM. The Aussie's did a great job with the G8s and I fear GM will kill it...then you'll be seeing more "we all fall down" commercials. And i'm so not for driving a car that cops do. Nothing against cops, but its annoying already when I see the plethra of blacked out chargers pulling folks over. Soon my g8 is gonna be mistaken for a chevy cop car?? NOOOO! lol
Holden_aus 12-09-2010, 04:46 AM yer i agree ,screw chev badges send it over as nature intended it to be a HOLDEN COMMODORE,show off the lion badge with pride,it really annoys me that commodore maybe designed in the usa,nothing against you guys but it takes its meaning away from us,we spent years an billions of dollars to create an all aussie car from 78 to 2010,and built an image for holden it would suck for gm to destroy holden
http://liveimages.carsales.com.au/dealer/45983824.jpg
Canadarob 12-09-2010, 06:12 AM So you'll be getting these bad boys.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/2006-2008_Holden_WM_Caprice_sedan_02.jpg
I don't like it as much..
zepcom 12-09-2010, 07:08 AM Guys, hold up a minute!
The one that was posted with the words "LEFT HAND DRIVE" is the test mule for the upcoming Chevy Caprice PPV. That's the long wheelbase "statesman" that will only be offered to law enforcement.
Shortly thereafter, there is expected to be an "impala replacement" that is similar to the yellow holden that has made this thread interesting. That is rumored to be the Chevy <something> SS. Chevelle? Nova? We donno officially yet.
It will start as to scoop up the "niche market" that pontiac couldn't survive as when Pontiac was shut down. Hopefully it will grow from there to become a mainstream flagship sedan for GM.
I see this as great, honestly.
Parts availiabity? Check.
Current generation model showing more people of what the ZETA platform is capable of? Check.
Potential interior/exterior 'upgrades' that may or may not be able to be retrofit into our existing G8's? Check.
Something to look forward to when our G8's are old and tired and all warn out?
Lets face it folks, Pontiac is all gone forever. There are some die-hards who believe that their daily-driven G8 will last for 20 years, that just is silly.
G8's don't last forever. Also, cars are meant to be driven. Those two sentences combined means that for most if not all of us, the G8 will not be the "be all, end all" forever in your lifetime. Sure, it's a unique, high performing, niche market car that was run on a fairly limited production/import scale. Those who store their G8's or keep them with very low mileage (especially GXP's) will find the value going up as less and less g8's fall into that category.
I don't think Chevy is trying to "reinvent the G8" like some of you are butt-hurt in believing. Sure, the styling is different than what your g8 has. Sure, it's got a questionable new front grill design that doesn't mesh well with some people. Chevy is trying to take the existing G8 concepts "loosely" and make a performance car that will appeal to the masses, be more fuel efficient, and be able to be mass produced or brought to our shores for production. It's in GM's best interest NOT to target a 'small niche market' car, but rather try to build a well rounded car that many will buy. The ZETA is capable of this, it's got excellent handling, adequate to awesome powertrain options, roomy and comfortable interior, and stylish looks. GM needs to "hit it out of the ballpark" with any ZETA offerings that they offer in the future, otherwise, the media will pick up and claim "GM failed again, just like they did with the canceled G8 program.
I am hoping that when my G8 wears out and stuff starts failing or breaking or becomes too costly to maintain, I would like the option for a similarly-or-better performing zeta cousin to the car. In with that would be all the fixes that I complained about on my g8, as well as new features like the Holden IQ system, touchscreen radio and hvac factory integrated, and other enhancements yet to be released.
There will always be haters, but I see this as a good thing to happen in lieu of a dying/dead brand car.
rcainfla 12-12-2010, 04:14 PM After spending $2 Billion dollars on the Zeta chassis, then dropping the G8 and Pontiac, I have no doubt that GM will mess this up as well. Who was responsible for the Torrent? Or the Vibe? Whomever it was needs to be taken out and flogged!
Sorry Holden, they're gonna screw you guys too!
RDCTBR 12-12-2010, 08:17 PM Holden is GM's golden child, they won't screw us over until the next platform is developed, that's a good while away.
Holden_aus 12-13-2010, 06:48 AM hehehe it takes a long time for a holden to die they last forever strong
gokrtmozrt 12-13-2010, 09:03 AM I personally love the nose and grille in the pics TriShield posted, I hope they keep the G8 style tail and lip spoiler with the pedestal spoiler as an option.
FINGERS CROSSED
rcainfla 12-13-2010, 09:50 AM Holden is GM's golden child, they won't screw us over until the next platform is developed, that's a good while away.
I hope you're right! You guys engineered the first great RWD car for GM since the 70's!
quicksilvergoat 12-13-2010, 10:06 PM Please correct me if I'm wrong and I don't think anyone has made mention of it but the car sporting the "LEFT HAND DRIVE" on the back is also sporting an Impala emblem. Just sayin.
Rich G 12-14-2010, 12:54 AM I don't like it as much..
+1...
rcainfla 12-14-2010, 10:01 AM http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/Ford/Falcon/Spy/ford_falcon_01.jpg
Ford has a nice looking car built in Australia called the Falcon. It would be nice if they would import that to the US to compete. Competition always makes things better. It's 4.0 liter turbocharged engine puts out about the same HP as the G8 GT.
r1owner 12-14-2010, 12:55 PM I don't like it as much..
I like it a lot more than trying to find a used 50K mile G8! :)
oxbcat 12-14-2010, 02:37 PM If they bring the wagon they better call it a Nomad.
Holden_aus 12-15-2010, 03:57 AM gm shouldn't destroy holden they build excitement-Holden Dealer Team logo,holden is GM'S oldest company 62 years of evoulution
RDCTBR 12-15-2010, 04:47 AM Well yeah, Holden as a company have been around for 154 years, and their cars for 62 years.
The Commodore alone has been around for 32 years, and the Monaro for 42 years.
I'd hope it's not going anywhere soon.
Holden_aus 12-15-2010, 06:28 AM does that make them older then ford?
cozbyrt 12-15-2010, 08:38 AM The Commodore has been the best selling car in Australia for what 14 to 15 years now? I don't think it will go anywhere except get lighter and more fuel efficient. imo.
There was a story on autoline detroit about a university in Australia that is developing a lighter steel with aluminum and magnesium. Should help the car to have less weight and higher mpgs. Mike Deveraux has let slip that their upcoming v6 should get 28mpg combined. Commodore will just keep getting better.
ranthum 12-16-2010, 05:27 PM http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/Ford/Falcon/Spy/ford_falcon_01.jpg
Ford has a nice looking car built in Australia called the Falcon. It would be nice if they would import that to the US to compete. Competition always makes things better. It's 4.0 liter turbocharged engine puts out about the same HP as the G8 GT.
That thing actually looks really good. Ford doesn't have anything to compete now, so it would be nice to have other options. Drop a 5.0 in there and design it to handle similar to a mustang and it'd be awesome.
Darkflow 12-19-2010, 06:58 PM Personally, this is great news to here. We lost a great car in the G8 when GM cancelled Pontiac, but seems as if were gaining a new "possibly" better car that is virtually similar to the G8. Ill be in the market for a new car come middle of next year, the G8 is an option. I just wish they wouldve come with a 6sp Manual trans in the GT's, instead of having to fork over another 10k for a GXP to get a Manual trans.
Im hoping that if this car does come out, they'll offer a 6M for it like they do in the CTS-V's. Will they do another high-performance version like they did with the GXP? I just know im excited because i really loved the G8. Planned on getting one, but hated that i didnt get a 6M option for the GT. The Auto's no big deal but i have a 02 Auto Camaro SS. Kinda would like to jump into a 6M car......
If GM does offer a high-performance version, they need to give it a name that can include a Z-??? something in it. Think about it...
Corvette ZR1 (Supercharged 6.2L LS9)
Corvette ZO6 (7.0L LS7)
Camaro Z28 (Supercharged 6.2L LSA or LS9)
Would kind of make sense to put a Z-something in the name and place it with those 3 High-Performance vehicles. This would be GM's Z-Series! Just a thought though....
Tweaky 12-20-2010, 11:21 AM Z24!!
RamJet 12-20-2010, 12:58 PM Z/G8
Z/88
Z/GT
Z/Fantastic Sedan
Holden_aus 12-22-2010, 06:37 AM what about cv6z cv8z like the monaroes or CSV chevy special vehicles
oxbcat 12-22-2010, 08:33 AM Remember the Z/26. Also its Z06 not ZO6.
Also about holdens lasting forver, has a holden ever seen snow and salt before they came to the US?
zepcom 12-22-2010, 08:36 AM Chevelle
Holden_aus 12-23-2010, 05:11 AM it snows in bathurst
Holden_aus 12-23-2010, 05:12 AM and half the country is surrounded by salt water
Canadarob 12-23-2010, 06:09 AM Salt in the water is not the same as a white road of salt
Darkflow 12-24-2010, 10:57 AM Z24!!
The Cavalier's came with the "Z24" badges. I dont think i would want that brought back and put on this new vehicle.
314bOi 12-28-2010, 10:05 PM http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/Ford/Falcon/Spy/ford_falcon_01.jpg
Ford has a nice looking car built in Australia called the Falcon. It would be nice if they would import that to the US to compete. Competition always makes things better. It's 4.0 liter turbocharged engine puts out about the same HP as the G8 GT.
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This is a sharp looking car. If this were to make it to the US before GM's offering well, I would be buying one..
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texas1982z 01-08-2011, 01:09 PM Glad to hear the news. If nothing else, it should help ensure part availability.
As for name, I am guessing "SS" will be part of the name. Perhaps that alone?
G8Silbllt 01-08-2011, 08:11 PM Vega...haaaaaaaaaaaa
TMorgan800 01-13-2011, 11:00 AM I am excited about 3 things when they bring the commodore variant back to the US.
1. New Radio/NAV system (this should be an easy swap-er-ooo for the G8 and we would finally have something worth while, instead of a huge radio display that shows us nothing more than the channel we are on and the status of the A/C system)
2. The possibility of the wagon and the "sport truck" options being available. I think the wagon kinda looks sexy + it's a total sleeper.
3. More go-fast parts produced.
Yamatr3 03-24-2011, 04:30 PM I really hope they get us a new version.
VegasJay 05-18-2011, 07:55 AM Any more news on the G8 coming back to the states. I just turned in my G8 and would love to see it brought back here again.
300King 05-19-2011, 12:33 PM From what I have read and heard we may get a Chevy Caprice in '13 or '14 following the redesign of the Commodore. I haven't heard anything about potential drivetrain options tho.
BlakRam 05-26-2011, 09:35 PM Decisions decisions...get a G8 now or wait for the possible replacement??? It's looking like we may get a replacement, but you never know.
INSTIG8 05-26-2011, 10:28 PM I'll trade my Charger I'm for one if they make it as a police package....
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Richard Craneum 05-27-2011, 06:23 AM Decisions decisions...get a G8 now or wait for the possible replacement??? It's looking like we may get a replacement, but you never know.
Trade the nose of the G8 on the car with all the emblems and call it G8 and sell the old G8 as a "Crapice" clone
Canadarob 05-27-2011, 07:45 AM Decisions decisions...get a G8 now or wait for the possible replacement??? It's looking like we may get a replacement, but you never know.
You will probably be waiting till mid 2013 if not later..\\
Also, check this out :(
http://www.v8.co.nz/news-3900/new-chevrolet-impala-may-prevent-commodores-re-entry-into-u-s-market
G8Silbllt 05-27-2011, 07:54 AM [QUOTE=Canadarob;718130]You will probably be waiting till mid 2013 if not later..\\
I'm guessing a longer wait :cursin::cry::rant::banghead::oldfogey::soapbox:
GTO_04 05-27-2011, 12:06 PM You will probably be waiting till mid 2013 if not later..\\
Also, check this out :(
http://www.v8.co.nz/news-3900/new-chevrolet-impala-may-prevent-commodores-re-entry-into-u-s-market
Yet another retraction by Obama Motors. This is getting old. They must think that mere rumors of a new RWD V8 sedan will bring Ponitac enthusiasts back and that in the end we'll settle for an inferior FWD platform. Ain't gonna happen.
GTO_04
Richard Craneum 05-27-2011, 02:46 PM I always say that you can not compare Olds and Plymouth with Pontiac. Pontiac was doing well, even better than Buick in the USA Market. The 1st twos they faded away due to lack luster sales. So nobody missed them. Pontiac on another hand was yanked from the public, just for the simple reason that they need to get rid of some.
Sucks when you have Bean Counters Bureaucrats running the business instead of people that have a passion and dedication for building cars.
Canadarob 05-27-2011, 02:53 PM I always say that you can not compare Olds and Plymouth with Pontiac. Pontiac was doing well, even better than Buick in the USA Market. The 1st twos they faded away due to lack luster sales. So nobody missed them. Pontiac on another hand was yanked from the public, just for the simple reason that they need to get rid of some.
Sucks when you have Bean Counters Bureaucrats running the business instead of people that have a passion and dedication for building cars.
Pontiac was killed, because Buick had record sales in China, and with a much larger market group; and stats such as this:
13.5m vehicles sold in China in 2009, 10.4m in US, In 2007, General Motors sold over 330,000 Buicks in China, more than twice what they sold in the United States.
Richard Craneum 05-27-2011, 02:57 PM I am well aware of the facts but if I am not mistaken not a single car produced in the USA was sold in China as Buick. If my memory serves me well, they were rebadge Holden (Park Avenue), Daewoo and Opel designs.
Pontiac and Buick they build the cars for the USA within North America.
So by killing Pontiac, they not only trimmed the fat, they killed some jobs that in turn some of those people are now depending on the Gov to strive.
The monetary loss was shifted to another pot of money.
PaFromFL 05-27-2011, 11:44 PM Exactly. GM should have continued to sell Buick badges in China, killed Buick in the US, and invested the savings in improving Pontiac's image and products. And why kill off Oldsmobile and then spend a fortune converting Cadillac to Oldsmobile-like vehicles?
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