Has anyone who has done this had any problems with the charging or A/C system. The HVAC on my car sucks compared to the last few vehicles I have owned and my car goes into batery protect if I let the radio run too long with the car off... so will underdriving these components by 25% render them completly useless?

No sir. The a/c is not underdriven. The batteries in these cars suck. I am about to put a optima in mine. I had 2 charge mine 2 times before pullies, but not since. I know the alt will last longer because the alt does not scream anymore at hi rpms. Charlie

Weird, I haven't had a single problem with my battery.

A lot of times the batteries are not fully charged, or are weak due to the time the car was built, to the time u actually receive the vehicle. I have had 2 new cars that the 2nd day I owned them I came out and the car was dead. Not a nice phone call for them.:slap: Anytime you have a trunk mount battery make sure its a good 1. It is not an issue due to location because M-benz and BMW have them in the back as well as other cars, I just think it is not holding a charge correctly. Like I said, this has nothing to do will the pullies.

No sir. The a/c is not underdriven. The batteries in these cars suck. I am about to put a optima in mine. I had 2 charge mine 2 times before pullies, but not since. I know the alt will last longer because the alt does not scream anymore at hi rpms. Charlie


Optima's are good but IMO Odysseys are better... :) FWIW. :)

Optima's are good but IMO Odysseys are better... :) FWIW. :)

Trying to find a dealer here or acurate part #. I hate finding things for these cars because everyone goes "you got a what" "who makes that" IDIOTS

SO would you suggest upgrading the battery when going with the pulley?

p.s. I had the StolenFox H-Pipe installed yesterday and same thing: You have a what.? G5 or G6? no.. G8GT! idiots haha

SO would you suggest upgrading the battery when going with the pulley?

p.s. I had the StolenFox H-Pipe installed yesterday and same thing: You have a what.? G5 or G6? no.. G8GT! idiots haha

If u are not having any issues, no need to worry. i am just doing it because I have a weak battery, and I will have a few power draws in the future.

Ok ...soo for a non mechanic..never put one of these on...and I have only..basic tools...how hard is this install?
DOes it need to be "timed" and tuned ?

No timing or tuning required. Takes more then basic tools. U might have a professional do it.

how is the ac not underdriven? the whole point of an underdrive pully is to slow down the accesories...

The AC is driven separately and has it's own belt . We have these in stock by the way !

New Era has the best price and fast service. Thats were I got mine.

The AC is driven separately and has it's own belt . We have these in stock by the way !

Different belt same pulley. On my LS1 the 25% underdrive pulley required a smaller A/C belt. An underdrive pulley will underdrive the A/C on LSx engines.

You only have to change the main drive belt, alt-p/s-w-pump. I have this pulley from New Era so I only bought 1 belt and only the outer part of the pulley toward the radiator is underdriven.

Different belt same pulley. On my LS1 the 25% underdrive pulley required a smaller A/C belt. An underdrive pulley will underdrive the A/C on LSx engines.

The underdrive pulley does not underdrive the AC on G8's , and on all c5 and c6 corvettes , case closed .

Different belt same pulley. On my LS1 the 25% underdrive pulley required a smaller A/C belt. An underdrive pulley will underdrive the A/C on LSx engines.

The SLP/Powerbond pulley that I have is the same diameter for the A/C drive section as the stock pulley that I removed.

I just finished installing this pulley today.

Give this one careful thought. You will need a three jaw puller, I borrowed one. It was a pain in the ass to install. If you don't have access to air tools, I'd seriously pay someone else to do this.

I think Mike at New Era has posted he gets $60 for the install, trust me, it's worth it.

Yes. After assisting on a few log distance I have found that just beacause I say its easy, does not make it so. I have 250k in tools, and over 25 years experience, so yes its easy for those 2 reasons. For 60-100 bucks, let the pros do it

Charlie, I can't thank you enough for the tips and tricks.

I grew up in my fathers auto repair shop and worked on cars for many years. I helped him build two drag cars (one that held both ends of the NHRA B/Stock record for 4 years in the '90's).

This was a pain, now I remember why I cook food and sell booze now...

What kind of food? I likes to eat! lol I keep posting and searching and modifying for everything that a do-it-yourselfer can do for HP and improvements because of all the positive feedback and PMs and calls. Sorry about the cell phone, I left it on my toolbox when ITBFST was undergoing surgery.

www.juniorschickenandribs.com

Broaster fried chicken, smoked ribs, pulled pork, sandwiches and hoagies, you name it.

Over 100 labels in my beer cooler.

If you're ever in Northeastern Pa. (near Scranton), dinner is on me.

:)

Deal. The menu sounds excellent. Being a northerner(upstate NY) I will be making a trip up in the near future and yes I will stop by. Is it OK if I bring my car? lol

Great! Exit 194 on Route 81. Follow the sign for Rt11 South. I'm 3/10's of a mile off the exit.

I had the A/C belt come of a few times after installing the powerbond balancer and put a slightly smaller belt on to fix the issue. Whilt the new balancer is supposed to be the same size for the A/C it's isn't exactly so, in my case anyway.
The stock A/c belt size is 4pk 1101 and I have a 1090 on it now but have a 1080 to replace it with next time I decide to get my hands dirty.
Main belt is 6pk 1900 but when I can source an 1880 I will replace it.

cheers

No issues here at all. It is exact dia as stock for a/c. My tensioner is is the same spot, marked it prior to removal to make sure.

Charlie,
I sent you a long PM yesterday. did you get it?
Ed

Charlie,
I sent you a long PM yesterday. did you get it?
Ed

Yes I did. I sent u a question back. Just incase can I buy just the suspension parts and do it myself? I appreciate the detailed info. Approx. cost for parts? Charlie

Wait, wait, wait...you mean this thing is harder to install than one on say a 5.3 in a truck??? How is that possible when its basically the same engine or have I not looked hard enough at the LS2's/L76's??? I think I need to go look in the garage for a second...

Ok wife's LS2 in the garage seems like it would be easy to get to but it's in a truck. How hard is it on the cars, is there too much **** in the way???

If you have removal/installer tools its easy.

No installer tool just a three jaw puller to remove it, but wait...I thought I remember somewhere reading awhile back about the pulley being different on the LS2 and it WAS harder to pull, something about the puller having a harder time grabbing hold of the newer pulley. Ah...I've been out of the modding scene a few years and I think it's catching up to me. Thanks for the tips and sorry for the rant...

Charlie, I got your reply to my questions about the CAI intake that had your suspension questions. i answered that with a second, long IM but have not received any response from you. Is your mail box full or is there a size limit on IMs?

Charlie, I got your reply to my questions about the CAI intake that had your suspension questions. i answered that with a second, long IM but have not received any response from you. Is your mail box full or is there a size limit on IMs?

Just PMd u. I am not sure of the issue, but pm me back to let me know.

GREAT talking with you Charlie.

GREAT talking with you Charlie.

It was a pleasure Sir. I hope we can do it again in the future. Charlie

Ok so i'm about too order this pulley - what about this extra belt that's now needed (Extra as in : +1 or is just a different one replacing a factory one?) Should I order that one at the same time? what size? where to get it? does new era have those in stock?

Ok so i'm about too order this pulley - what about this extra belt that's now needed (Extra as in : +1 or is just a different one replacing a factory one?) Should I order that one at the same time? what size? where to get it? does new era have those in stock?

Correct Gates belt # is K060747 any parts store. The Goodyear EPD belts are the best. This # can be crossed to any belt. Charlie

Anyone that is looking for the Powerbond pulley, call Mike @ New Era. They have it advertised for $179.95 + s/h. The gates belt # is K060747 Charlie

Dayco belts number 5060740 fits also.

5060735 will just fit, but it's a veryyyyy tight fit.

New Era has 9 in stock for immediate delivery. Hurry and save a screaming alt. today. It does work and cost per dollar well worth the investment. Charlie

The clock is ticking. There has only been positive responses/results with this mod. $300.00 max with belt and install. The long term benefits are more then worth it. Charlie

Trying out for a spot on HSN?


:laugh::laugh:

LMAO!! U know I did not even think about that. As u know it is a good cheap gain, and for most easily affordable. After intake and T-body I am all out of inexpensive HP, unless........ I find MORE.

Unfortunaely I am going to be in Iraq over fall and winter so will not be doing much modding until early next summer. Unfortunately I am "stuck" with a stock car until I leave. The down payment took a little more out of me than I was expecting, and I had a couple of unforseen expenses. I should have a litle spare change to order parts online whilst I am over there and I can have them all installed as soon as I get back. I figure a bunch of new stuff will be out by spring as well. Then hopefully I can get up to Michigan and have VMS do a custom tune on their dyno as opposed to a mail in one.

Good Luck over in the sandy nation. Thanks for everthing U do. There will be plenty of parts when u get back and then we can see another fast G8 added to the list. Charlie

:iagree::us_flag:Good luck and come home safe and sound!

thanks guys... appreciate the warm thoughts... grrr8 did you get my last IM? Rick maybe I will see you on the second leg of that tour... myparents live in PSL.

:iagree::us_flag:Good luck and come home safe and sound!


+1

:)

thanks guys... appreciate the warm thoughts... grrr8 did you get my last IM? Rick maybe I will see you on the second leg of that tour... myparents live in PSL.


Yes I did. The one with your location correct?

I just ordered the UDP.
I also ordered the VMS tune for the Roto-fab as well. Waiting on confirmation from Vector though.

Mod-Mod-Mod! Now I have to go find something to do to keep ahead of you. lol

You better go buy headers, cause I'm pretty sure that's next. As soon as someone starts posting pics of their's.

Yeah I know. The money tree needs a little watering. Had a little drought. I might have to try miracle grow. :)

ya know charlie - you're a bad influence on my bankaccount haha Just ordered the pulley ;)

I have been getting alot of that lately. :) Well there is worse things to spend $$ on. Not according to my wife, but she sure doesnt mind when she is driving it. lol

I see a lot of pullies are going on in the next few days. I cant wait to see the posts on how quiet the car is now when under hard acceleration. New Era still has them for $179.95. Charlie

What does everbody think about the magnacharger upgrade and the exhaust upgrage. Thinking about biting the bullet and putting the big stuff on . I already have a fast nos GTO.

Exhaust is always a great gain. The quality of ARH readers is superb. I will be posting soon with the results and video. I want 11s N/A so not the 1 to inform u on power adders. I do have a lot of experience with single T,TT, Whipple and Procharger. You cant go wrong. U have to watch the longevity of trans, short block and diff if u abuse the car. It will last if tuned correctly and dont exceed power levels of stock components. Hope this helps. Charlie

I see a lot of pullies are going on in the next few days. I cant wait to see the posts on how quiet the car is now when under hard acceleration. New Era still has them for $179.95. Charlie


I plan on it, but need to order it and then a puller from Matco to do the job... I bet the puller costs more than the damn pulley!:(

I'm out getting the belt and the new bolt now. Maybe I can get it put on today as well.

I plan on it, but need to order it and then a puller from Matco to do the job... I bet the puller costs more than the damn pulley!:(

Try OTC # 6267 from toolsource.com or thetoolwarehouse.com

Try OTC # 6267 from toolsource.com or thetoolwarehouse.com


First site doesn't have OTC and the second link no good! Found this one! http://www.sjdiscounttools.com/otc6267.html

Thanks

New Bolt? did I miss something? Thought you'd only have to get an extra belt?

If I go and buy the belt, and take it to any local shop like say a 'Walts' do they need anything else? Would they have the right puller etc? Now i'm starting to get worried they'll take the car apart and not be able to put it back together haha

If I remember correctly the bolt is a torque to yield and needs about 250ft/lbs. ASP has install intructions on there website. The new bolt should cost less than $10 at the dealer. Don't skimp. You don't want that coming off or loose and messing up the end of the crank.

OK so besides the pulley I'll need the belt and now this bolt.. any part#?

The part number for the GM bolt: 12557840
If you go by the instructions GM provides it's 2 bolts. Install new pulley
1) Torque bolt to 240 ft lbs. Remove bolt
2) Install new bolt and torque to 37 ft lbs
3) Torque 140 degrees

Charlie or someone else can chime in here. I believe he used an ARP bolt which is not a torque to yield.
GM book hours are 1.2 for R&R pulley's.

Did I hear my name? Yes I used the ARP bolt for LS motors. 12 point head(dont even start Ray)and not TTY. It is just my preference. A new GM bolt will do.

The part number for the GM bolt: 12557840
If you go by the instructions GM provides it's 2 bolts. Install new pulley
1) Torque bolt to 240 ft lbs. Remove bolt
2) Install new bolt and torque to 37 ft lbs
3) Torque 140 degrees

Charlie or someone else can chime in here. I believe he used an ARP bolt which is not a torque to yield.
GM book hours are 1.2 for R&R pulley's.

My dealer quoted me 3.4 hours for the pully today at $96 per hour. A speed shop told me 2 hours at $75. Guess I better do some more calling around tomorrow as my UDP is due here Monday.

It only takes 1 hour to do the job , sorry .

The fee should not exceed posted book labor time x labor rate.

This may be a dumb question, but with the underdrive pulley slowing down the accessories, will it affect any performance of the alternator and such. In other words will there be any problems recharging the battery?

This may be a dumb question, but with the underdrive pulley slowing down the accessories, will it affect any performance of the alternator and such. In other words will there be any problems recharging the battery?

None at all.

None with mine either.

:)

Got mine in today. My alt still whines.