Hey everyone ! Wasn't sure if this is the right place to post this question but since its related to engine modification I figured I would be alright. I have a goal in mind for my G8. I want to run a 11.5 quarter mile and do 0-60 in around 3.5 seconds. I got a few porsche turbos and C6 ZO6s in my area that need an ass whoopin ! So whats it gonna take to make my car run a 11.5? Im committed to either the D1SC procharger or the TVS 1900 and the AR Headers. Im gonnna have some bad ass custom tuning done here in Houston once those are installed. But I know its gonna take more than that. So. . . what other mods am I going to need to get that 11.5 ? Im hoping to avoid nitrous and installing a new cam. But if I cant get enough power from other mods then ill do it. Your advice is appreciated. Thank you

-Joseph

GRRRR8 in 3, 2, 1...

LMAO! You in 7..6..5..:driving:

Ok now that you each have gone through your count downs. . . what do you think ?

Ok now that you each have gone through your count downs. . . what do you think ?

I thought I answered you in previous post. Do u need more info or how I am going to do it? I am in Sugar Land.

The TVS 1900 is absolutely awesome, and probably what I'll go with if I ever supercharge, but I'm just dying to see someone put a Kenne Bell 2.8L blower on the G8. I bet that would get you those times. :)

No doubt about it. For how long is the question.

yes. . . it must be reliable

The warranty on the Magna Charger will cover the parts and labor on the supercharger for 3/36 miles. In the unlikely event that you have an issue with the blower or one of the supporting parts it will be replaced at no charge to the end user.

If you have issues and are unhappy with the system, I will buy it back. (some conditions apply)
If that does not tell you that I am confident in the design and reliability I don't know what will.

***EDIT*** Conditions are simple, you must have had documented issues with the blower....This is not an out for someone getting ready to get killed by an angry wife, or in the process of trading in the car.

My car is an everyday driver that is my wifes car that is not a hot rodder. I am going to eliminate AFM completely for reliability and tunability issues. I am going to start with the LS7 cam and valve train first. I will put the thinner head gaskets so it will be 10.9:1 compression. Ported intake and T-body. ARH 1 7/8 headers. A new tune with help from Mike @ New Era and my current list of mods. It should be around 500ish hp at the flywheel. I will put a 2500-2800 stall to help it launch and a little taller DR. In cool air it should go hi 11s be 100% dependable with a smooth idle. My 0-60 now in the early am hours is mid 4s. I,m guessing maybe 4.0. Too much down low will result in traction issues, so not concerned with 0-60. If I get 4 flat against the cars you listed, its a race! Hope this helps. Charlie

My car is an everyday driver that is my wifes car that is not a hot rodder. I am going to eliminate AFM completely for reliability and tunability issues. I am going to start with the LS7 cam and valve train first. I will put the thinner head gaskets so it will be 10.9:1 compression. Ported intake and T-body. ARH 1 7/8 headers. A new tune with help from Mike @ New Era and my current list of mods. It should be around 500ish hp at the flywheel. I will put a 2500-2800 stall to help it launch and a little taller DR. In cool air it should go hi 11s be 100% dependable with a smooth idle. My 0-60 now in the early am hours is mid 4s. I,m guessing maybe 4.0. Too much down low will result in traction issues, so not concerned with 0-60. If I get 4 flat against the cars you listed, its a race! Hope this helps. Charlie

EVERYTHING you just described will take away from the daily driven reliability of the car.

Really? A corvette is unreliable? I am using 100% GM parts. Help educate me oh great 1.

You have been working on that reply for a while.

Really? A corvette is unreliable? I am using 100% GM parts. Help educate me oh great 1.

Never said a Corvette was unreliable. In my opinion you summed my statement up in your opening sentence of the post: "My car is an everyday driver that is my wifes car that is not a hot rodder."

Just my opinion....and yes we all know opinions are like *******s....everyone has one.

You have been working on that reply for a while.

Sorry stepped away to take a leak....next time I will be sure to appease you with a quick response.

. I am going to start with the LS7 cam and valve train first.

Really, you think an LS7 cam and stock heads is going to be enough to get you to 500 fwhp with just 6.0L? I know you will have just about every bolt on done but isn't the LS7 kind of mild?

Its been 3 minutes where is your reply :slap: LOL

Its been 3 minutes where is your reply :slap: LOL

So if I decide to go with the magnacharger what else do you think i will need to get a 11.5 quarter ?

So if I decide to go with the magnacharger what else do you think i will need to get a 11.5 quarter ?

That would be dependent on your baseline 1/4 mile track times. The supercharger system (with proper driving and traction) will knock off between 1.5 and 2.0 seconds. There are ALLOT of variables that would go along with it, but I think low 12's high 11's are obtainable with the right conditions.

Boy Charlie, I meant no disrespect with my post.....By the amount of time you are putting to your reply I am expecting a severe bitchslap. Its all good bro, to each his own...some choose to do it your way, and others choose to do it their way. I just offered up my opinion based on my experiance with these cars, engines, and mods.

So if I decide to go with the magnacharger what else do you think i will need to get a 11.5 quarter ?

Headers, stall, some big sticky drag radials, and a hell of a launch.

I guess I should have made it clearer. The car cannot be some cammed out high stall convertered, 10mpg, barely idling drag car. All the components are proven, dependable and it will have a smooth idle and get 18-20mpg. I dont see the problem. Yes I have posted many times about opinions. It seems some people on here just want to bash anything they cant have or dont understand. I saw u were looking at profiles before u posted. What when u saw 41 years old and Master Tech that made u tone it down? Or did you post before thinking. I hear your opinion and respect it. Now give me some facts on your statements. I will still be waiting in the morning on that post. When u post back, all I want is facts on why its not reliable. Thats it. Show me its a poor decision with articles, previous experience with the SAME EXACT combo that "the daily driver reliability" is compromised. I bet this wont turn into Pedders Chapter 2. Charlie

I guess I should have made it clearer. The car cannot be some cammed out high stall convertered, 10mpg, barely idling drag car. All the components are proven, dependable and it will have a smooth idle and get 18-20mpg. I dont see the problem. Yes I have posted many times about opinions. It seems some people on here just want to bash anything they cant have or dont understand. I saw u were looking at profiles before u posted. What when u saw 41 years old and Master Tech that made u tone it down? Or did you post before thinking. I hear your opinion and respect it. Now give me some facts on your statements. I will still be waiting in the morning on that post. When u post back, all I want is facts on why its not reliable. Thats it. Show me its a poor decision with articles, previous experience with the SAME EXACT combo that "the daily driver reliability" is compromised. I bet this wont turn into Pedders Chapter 2. Charlie

Charlie, Granted you have 6 years on me, I have been to the same GM classes, attended the same seminars, and learned from the same school of thought as you. I did not and do not see the need to wave the "Master Tech" card around in an attempt to pound your chest.....we are in fact cut from the same stone on the level of experiance and expertise. I think before I post, and put allot of thought and consideration to my replies. The facts are based on my experiance with these LS motors, and the trials and tribulations of years I myself have been modding them and driving them.

You are correct, the parts are validated and proven by the GM power train group, and they should work well with your combination, and I am sure you will cross your I's and dot your T's. I do respect your opinion, and your opinion is based on your personal experiance just like mine. I am not here to bash other combination, I am not here to stir the pot. Just like you, I am here to offer my experiance to others that might be interested.


Congratulations on the success and accomplishment of reaching the level of Master Tech, I know it takes quite a bit of experiance and gray hair to get there.

PS, I was checking to see if you were reading my reply, not scanning your qualifications. I give everyone the benefit of doubt until they prove otherwise.

B

Headers, stall, some big sticky drag radials, and a hell of a launch.

I dont want a stall. . . what else can I get that would yield the same results ?

And I respect that. My point is if your experiences with the LSX motors is greater then mine, inform me with facts, which u still havent. I was asked a question by a member and answered it. If you posted and stated that " hey u might wanna use Comp valve springs or GM lifters are junk because I have experienced" now that is technical help I appreciate. But to question someone that has built multi brand 11sec everyday drivers and give no explanation, thats were I want to clown someone. It is not intentional, it just happens. I value opinions that have value and pertain to the topic. I did not mean to offend u. I take this very seriously as my customers and post members expect me to. Charlie

Charlie, Granted you have 6 years on me, I have been to the same GM classes, attended the same seminars, and learned from the same school of thought as you. I did not and do not see the need to wave the "Master Tech" card around in an attempt to pound your chest.....we are in fact cut from the same stone on the level of experiance and expertise. I think before I post, and put allot of thought and consideration to my replies. The facts are based on my experiance with these LS motors, and the trials and tribulations of years I myself have been modding them and driving them.

You are correct, the parts are validated and proven by the GM power train group, and they should work well with your combination, and I am sure you will cross your I's and dot your T's. I do respect your opinion, and your opinion is based on your personal experiance just like mine. I am not here to bash other combination, I am not here to stir the pot. Just like you, I am here to offer my experiance to others that might be interested.


Congratulations on the success and accomplishment of reaching the level of Master Tech, I know it takes quite a bit of experiance and gray hair to get there.
:wink2:

B

Not trying to show it. If that was the plan, I would have told u that I only lack a couple from being Triple Master Certified. :wink2:

Charlie, I take it you work for some sort of GM dealer correct? If so, I would to PM you a question. Would that be ok?

This kinda power:

http://capa.com.au/pics/kits_holden_ve_v8_v7_dyno_big.jpg

My car is an everyday driver that is my wifes car that is not a hot rodder. I am going to eliminate AFM completely for reliability and tunability issues. I am going to start with the LS7 cam and valve train first. I will put the thinner head gaskets so it will be 10.9:1 compression. Ported intake and T-body. ARH 1 7/8 headers. A new tune with help from Mike @ New Era and my current list of mods. It should be around 500ish hp at the flywheel. I will put a 2500-2800 stall to help it launch and a little taller DR. In cool air it should go hi 11s be 100% dependable with a smooth idle. My 0-60 now in the early am hours is mid 4s. I,m guessing maybe 4.0. Too much down low will result in traction issues, so not concerned with 0-60. If I get 4 flat against the cars you listed, its a race! Hope this helps. Charlie



Which thinner head gaskets are these? If you find a part # or more info can you share with everyone or at least me. I think this whole combo would be perfect for the street.I am waiting for my car to sell and the GXPs to come in, but if i still decide to go with the GT I need info.

I would go a little bit different route..... dismantle AFM and use the LS2 cam. A good set of LT headers, a good huffer on top (maggie pushing around 9psi) stock compression, a colder set of plugs, a set of drag radials in the rear, a SMALL stall converter (say a 2800 or so, wouldn't even notice it on a daily driver) and a good tune (bumping the redline to 6500 for the LS2 cam)

I would think this would get you damn close to mid 11's, especially with a good set of radials. best part about this combo.....you would never have to crack a cylinder head to do it. This whole setup could be installed in one weekend.

If this didn't get you there......you could always swap pulleys on the blower and turn it up a notch (although I have no idea how much boost the bottom end can take, I assume 9 psi is doable) then there is always meth injection and NOS.

Your goal is attainable if you throw enough money at it :wink2:

You have been working on that reply for a while.


Set yourself up with that one Charlie. :judge: LOL

This kinda power:

http://capa.com.au/pics/kits_holden_ve_v8_v7_dyno_big.jpg

Yea yea yea. I want! I think I need 950 RWHP. LOL :driving:

what is a stall?

what is a stall?

it is short hand for "high stall torque converter" basically it is a relative term for whether a torque converter stalls at a low speed, like a stock one or a high speed like a drag race specific one.

also you screen name is an anagram of my dog's name... if you leave out the numbers... it is a play on the swahili term for knife... was going to call him stilleto but Kisu semed a little more manly (dogly?)

what is a stall?

Stall speed is the point when a converter has reaches it's maximum fluid flow and torque multiplication has peaked.

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I'll toss my .02 in...

At the end of the day, your engine is a big air pump, so the more air you can pump through it, and the more you can compress it, the more power it will make.

I fully respect boosted engines, and I know it's the most money efficient way of making power. My personal preference, however, is to not stress the sealing joints with 200kPa+ MAP pressures. My preference would be the following:

- high lift/duration cam, and since you're looking for 1/4 times, you want more power up high, so a larger overlap.
- LT headers and exhaust
- Free-er flowing induction, and a light polish of your intake and heads
- a tune with premium fuel to advance the spark and utilize the better knock characteristics of higher octane fuel.
- While more expensive, I would prefer to deck the head as opposed to using a thinner head gasket. Seeing the validation that cylinder head gaskets have to go through, I have good faith with what comes on the engine.

When you combine all these things, it will come down to the experience of the tuner to get the most out of your engine.

also you screen name is an anagram of my dog's name... if you leave out the numbers... it is a play on the swahili term for knife... was going to call him stilleto but Kisu semed a little more manly (dogly?)

Kisu also means "kiss" in Japanese...

I'll toss my .02 in...

At the end of the day, your engine is a big air pump, so the more air you can pump through it, and the more you can compress it, the more power it will make.

I fully respect boosted engines, and I know it's the most money efficient way of making power. My personal preference, however, is to not stress the sealing joints with 200kPa+ MAP pressures. My preference would be the following:

- high lift/duration cam, and since you're looking for 1/4 times, you want more power up high, so a larger overlap.
- LT headers and exhaust
- Free-er flowing induction, and a light polish of your intake and heads
- a tune with premium fuel to advance the spark and utilize the better knock characteristics of higher octane fuel.
- While more expensive, I would prefer to deck the head as opposed to using a thinner head gasket. Seeing the validation that cylinder head gaskets have to go through, I have good faith with what comes on the engine.

When you combine all these things, it will come down to the experience of the tuner to get the most out of your engine.
by shaving the heads and running a large lift cam you would also have to fly cut the pistons and he did state it needed to be streetable. HUGE cams and streetable do not belong together in the same sentence. Along with huge cams come stiffer springs and well there goes your reliability.

For daily driver reliability and longevity, it is hard to beat a positive displacement supercharger. Talk about displacement on demand :):driving:

I think its been said already but I'll re affirm what some have said.

Stock G8 with stock 1900 will get you into the low 12's. Mine ran 12.5's all day at an ok track with less than ok weather.

I think you have better conditions in Texas.

11.5's = Add an extra 1lb of boost, some long tube headers, some sticky tires, a magnavolt boost a pump, and a good custom tune and you should have a reliable mid 11 second G8.

Thats pretty much the next step for our car.

The only reason we havn't done it yet is we still have some press that we have to take care of with the car in smog legal form.

Thanks
Mike Haddad

I think its been said already but I'll re affirm what some have said.

Stock G8 with stock 1900 will get you into the low 12's. Mine ran 12.5's all day at an ok track with less than ok weather.

I think you have better conditions in Texas.

11.5's = Add an extra 1lb of boost, some long tube headers, some sticky tires, a magnavolt boost a pump, and a good custom tune and you should have a reliable mid 11 second G8.

Thats pretty much the next step for our car.

The only reason we havn't done it yet is we still have some press that we have to take care of with the car in smog legal form.

Thanks
Mike Haddad

100 % humidity cant be better. :)

Take off everything you can on your car. Doors, hood, trunk lid, windshield, fenders, all the interior. That should get you down into the 9's right? :D

I'm with Gr888 on this, I have had cammed out street cars and "steetable" track cars and they stop being fun every time. If you mod them so much they cease being what they once were it takes a lot of the fun and money out. It ends up being a car that shakes you to death, cramps your clutch leg, bruises your kidneys and empty's the wallet only to be sold because you begin to hate it.
Nothing like a well idling car that will run 11's. I think I am going to be plenty happy if I do just the mods he has and can get into the 12's. If it take a supercharger to get into the 11's then so be it, but it may not.

I personally feel the route I am taking will have a much higher longevity level then a power adder car. I will have close or more hp depending on boost, but the loss of torque will prolong engine and trans as well as rear diff life. N/A combos are almost always more reliable as long as u are not shifting them at 7000 rpms. I will shift at 6500-6600 rpms max. Anything can break in any performance application, but torque kills parts. Boost kills seals gaskets etc. I may only consistantly run low 12s. I can live with that.

I see no problem or reliability issues with doing a mild cam, ported heads, UDP, headers + x-pipe, tune, ported intake, TB and CAI, hardened pushrods and maybe rockers if they are available. I'm not sure I would recommend a electric water pump. You could also do gears and a mild stall and pick up a lot of ET.
Put a set of DR's on it and you'd be mid 11's no problem and still get decent gas mileage.

by no means to you need a 'high lift' cam to get good power out of these motors and you can run aftermarket springs 10's of thousands of miles without worries. I ran set of 918's 100k miles in my silverado SS with a mild cam with no problems.

i had a 383 camaro LS1 with a mild cam/heads putting out ~450rwhp that I put 50k HARD miles on and it still got 27mpg hwy, had NO driveability issue and wasn't obnoxiously loud. I then went to a 408 and made it a drag car, but thats a different story.

Hey everyone ! Wasn't sure if this is the right place to post this question but since its related to engine modification I figured I would be alright. I have a goal in mind for my G8. I want to run a 11.5 quarter mile and do 0-60 in around 3.5 seconds. I got a few porsche turbos and C6 ZO6s in my area that need an ass whoopin ! So whats it gonna take to make my car run a 11.5? Im committed to either the D1SC procharger or the TVS 1900 and the AR Headers. Im gonnna have some bad ass custom tuning done here in Houston once those are installed. But I know its gonna take more than that. So. . . what other mods am I going to need to get that 11.5 ? Im hoping to avoid nitrous and installing a new cam. But if I cant get enough power from other mods then ill do it. Your advice is appreciated. Thank you

-Joseph

Well, I'll take a swing at this since there seems to be a dirth of actual conversation about it...

First of all the G8 weighs 2 tons... to accelerate 2 tons to 60mph in 3.5sec is going to take an aweful lot of power. I'd skip the supercharger immedietely and start looking at a large twin turbo setup. More peak power, and with modern twin scroll turbos, it will still have good driveability... oh, and you can turn it off with a ECU switch.

Second, your going to need a LOT of traction... Start planning on Mini-tubbing the rear end for the biggest drag radials you can find (I'd be aiming for 300 section tires or bigger).

Third, the rear IRS is going to need to be strengthened to take this kind of abuse... start looking into folks that make stronger differential housings, gears, half-shafts and CV joints. Your going to probably have to take a good look at how the ZR-1 is handling it because your going to have at LEAST as much power with twice the weight.

Fourth, GET ON A DIET... both you AND the car! Seriously, start looking at ways to reduce the vehicle weight... ditch sound deadning, AC, sunroof, back seats etc.

Fifth, start looking for folks to work on your tranny... its not going to like this kind of abuse and is going to need stronger gears.

My guess is that your going to need around 1000hp to do what your thinking... maybe 800. Either way its a A$$load of power and traction is going to be your biggest problem... I say this because even the mighty Z06 cannot meet the performance figures you lay out (in STOCK form)... so you have a long row to hoe.

Good luck!

~LSx

^^^^ what he said.

I have a cam speced out to be used with DOD , I will be testing it soon . It is also speced out to be used with a stock stall torque convertor .

I have a cam speced out to be used with DOD , I will be testing it soon . It is also speced out to be used with a stock stall torque convertor .

Sweet. . . sounds what im looking for ! Keep us posted

My guess is that your going to need around 1000hp to do what your thinking... maybe 800. Either way its a A$$load of power and traction is going to be your biggest problem... I say this because even the mighty Z06 cannot meet the performance figures you lay out (in STOCK form)... so you have a long row to hoe.
~LSx

What??

There has been a Z06 that has run a 10.98 100% bone stock (even the run flat tires) and another stock one on drag radials that has run a 10.83. I am sure that either one of those runs were well under 3.5 for 0-60mph. Running a 11.5 in a stock Z06 is not that hard to do, an experienced driver and good weather will not have much problem. I was able to run a 11.7 in my fathers at a crap track with crap weather after just 5 passes having never drag raced the car before.

Now on to the 800 -1000 hp needed to get a G8 to run a 11.5:eyetwitch: There is already a guy who posts on this board that has run an 11.8 with just a bolt-on VE. ~500 RWHP(maybe even less), a higher stall converter, and big sticky drag radials should get a G8 to a 11.5 with not much problem. Yes you will start having to worry about the rear end components with the launches you would be doing to get that 11.5. I agree that 3.5 0-60 time on street tires (on the street) is not going to happen but at the track with drag radials, sure.

I have a cam speced out to be used with DOD , I will be testing it soon . It is also speced out to be used with a stock stall torque convertor .

What kind of lift are we talking?

:)Unfortunatley , I can't say right now . I have to test this first , if it doesn't work , then I wil keeep testing until it does with other profiles , this is just a highly educated guess based on various valvetrain specialists and my G8 is the test bed .

:)Unfortunatley , I can't say right now . I have to test this first , if it doesn't work , then I wil keeep testing until it does with other profiles , this is just a highly educated guess based on various valvetrain specialists and my G8 is the test bed .

Well then, keep us posted!

:)

New Era is going to beat me to getting a cam in a G8:( Mike I need 1 1/10 quicker then the one u put in yours. :driving:

What??

There has been a Z06 that has run a 10.98 100% bone stock (even the run flat tires) and another stock one on drag radials that has run a 10.83. I am sure that either one of those runs were well under 3.5 for 0-60mph. Running a 11.5 in a stock Z06 is not that hard to do, an experienced driver and good weather will not have much problem. I was able to run a 11.7 in my fathers at a crap track with crap weather after just 5 passes having never drag raced the car before.


Hmmm. I'll say that I am surprised for now... I had expected those times to be harder to achieve... The Z06 is a helluva machine, but I haven't heard anywhere near these times before... just call me impressed.


Now on to the 800 -1000 hp needed to get a G8 to run a 11.5:eyetwitch: There is already a guy who posts on this board that has run an 11.8 with just a bolt-on VE. ~500 RWHP(maybe even less), a higher stall converter, and big sticky drag radials should get a G8 to a 11.5 with not much problem. Yes you will start having to worry about the rear end components with the launches you would be doing to get that 11.5. I agree that 3.5 0-60 time on street tires (on the street) is not going to happen but at the track with drag radials, sure.

Wow... I'm tempted to call B.S. but I won't cause I haven't read the thread... that just sounds AWEFULLY fast for a G8 (if he is using a Commodore VE with a manual and the LS3 then I'll totally buy it). 11.5 is a damn fast time for such a big car so if its true than color me VERY impressed... I was expecting much more to be required.

~LSx

Hmmm. I'll say that I am surprised for now... I had expected those times to be harder to achieve... The Z06 is a helluva machine, but I haven't heard anywhere near these times before... just call me impressed.



Wow... I'm tempted to call B.S. but I won't cause I haven't read the thread... that just sounds AWEFULLY fast for a G8 (if he is using a Commodore VE with a manual and the LS3 then I'll totally buy it). 11.5 is a damn fast time for such a big car so if its true than color me VERY impressed... I was expecting much more to be required.

~LSx

I believe it is an aussie car. 11.86. Heads ,cam, etc

I believe it is an aussie car. 11.86. Heads ,cam, etc

No LS3 though right ?

Not an LS3.

Here's how to roll.....:judge:

http://frame.revver.com/frame/650x390/879171.jpg (http://revver.com/video/879171/05-gto-with-ls7-engine-supercharger-and-meth-runs-96-at-146mph-in-14-mile/?action=view&current=05-gto-with-ls7-engine-supercharger-and-meth-runs-96-at-146mph-in-14-mile)


:drink::slap:

Hey everyone ! Wasn't sure if this is the right place to post this question but since its related to engine modification I figured I would be alright. I have a goal in mind for my G8. I want to run a 11.5 quarter mile and do 0-60 in around 3.5 seconds. I got a few porsche turbos and C6 ZO6s in my area that need an ass whoopin ! So whats it gonna take to make my car run a 11.5? Im committed to either the D1SC procharger or the TVS 1900 and the AR Headers. Im gonnna have some bad ass custom tuning done here in Houston once those are installed. But I know its gonna take more than that. So. . . what other mods am I going to need to get that 11.5 ? Im hoping to avoid nitrous and installing a new cam. But if I cant get enough power from other mods then ill do it. Your advice is appreciated. Thank you

-Joseph

Whoa I thought those were your actual numbers. We'll see what my Pedderised ProCharged G8 does at the GTOAA Nationals next week on street tires.

http://forums.peddersusa.com/showthread.php?t=328

Whoa I thought those were your actual numbers. We'll see what my Pedderised ProCharged G8 does at the GTOAA Nationals next week on street tires.

http://forums.peddersusa.com/showthread.php?t=328

I cant wait. . . this could be the deciding factor between the procharger and the magnacharger ! Do you have dyno charts by any chance ?

Hmmm. I'll say that I am surprised for now... I had expected those times to be harder to achieve... The Z06 is a helluva machine, but I haven't heard anywhere near these times before... just call me impressed.

Here (http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=1794944) is the Z06 fast list from the corvetteforum.



Wow... I'm tempted to call B.S. but I won't cause I haven't read the thread... that just sounds AWEFULLY fast for a G8 (if he is using a Commodore VE with a manual and the LS3 then I'll totally buy it). 11.5 is a damn fast time for such a big car so if its true than color me VERY impressed... I was expecting much more to be required.
~LSx

I got my Aussies a little confused. This thread (http://www.g8board.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2596&highlight=bolt-on+record) is the VE that has the bolt-on record at 11.74 while the guy that post on this board has run a 11.86 with a cam as GR88 said. They are both 6.0L cars but do have a manual tranny.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

I don't know how they measure tracks in New Jersey. And the fact that they're probably all downhill.

But Unless you live in new Jersey and you happen to be one of the best drivers in the country than you don't have a chance of 10's in anything stock short of a Veyron.

All I'm saying is please don't make it sound like the norm.

With a good driver at 95% of the tracks in this country you'll be lucky to crack a high 11 off in a stock c6 Z06.

Thanks
Mike Haddad

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

I don't know how they measure tracks in New Jersey. And the fact that they're probably all downhill.

But Unless you live in new Jersey and you happen to be one of the best drivers in the country than you don't have a chance of 10's in anything stock short of a Veyron.

All I'm saying is please don't make it sound like the norm.

With a good driver at 95% of the tracks in this country you'll be lucky to crack a high 11 off in a stock c6 Z06.

Thanks
Mike Haddad

This thread is getting off topic, but you really did not take a look at the fast time link did you? The 10s (stock with and w/o drag radials)have been run by 3 different cars and only one of them(the slowest) was done in New Jersey. I agree that 10s are not the norm and those runs were done in ideal conditons but running mid 11 is really only a matter of having a good launch technique even when the conditions are not mine shaft. The rest of the fast list is from all over the county in different conditions and the slowest on that list is a 11.7. It is not hard to get a Z06 to MPH but getting a good launch takes practice and good technique. Hell, I ran my 11.7 at Richmond Dargway in VA, which is not know as a fast track for street tires, and I do not consider myself an expert drag racer as I make it to the track maybe twice a year. So, I disagree with your assesment. If you have a driver that is experienced drag racing a Z06 and has taken the time to work on his launch technique then a mid 11 is obtainable at 95% of the tracks in the county (execpt maybe the high altitude ones).

I cant wait. . . this could be the deciding factor between the procharger and the magnacharger ! Do you have dyno charts by any chance ?
I have a strong bias in this matter. ProCharger has been a valued marketing partner for years now with Pedders. I am friends with many of the key people there. A Maggy is a great product too. The difference is that I don't know their people personally and have not been through four or five prototype installations with them. At ProCharger we have history and it is all good.

So much for the disclaimer. Eric at Backstreet did my tune with the Corsa axle back. I have the dyno sheets and video on the dyno and on the street posted in this thread,

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Well, I'll take a swing at this since there seems to be a dirth of actual conversation about it...

First of all the G8 weighs 2 tons... to accelerate 2 tons to 60mph in 3.5sec is going to take an aweful lot of power. I'd skip the supercharger immedietely and start looking at a large twin turbo setup. More peak power, and with modern twin scroll turbos, it will still have good driveability... oh, and you can turn it off with a ECU switch.

Second, your going to need a LOT of traction... Start planning on Mini-tubbing the rear end for the biggest drag radials you can find (I'd be aiming for 300 section tires or bigger).

Third, the rear IRS is going to need to be strengthened to take this kind of abuse... start looking into folks that make stronger differential housings, gears, half-shafts and CV joints. Your going to probably have to take a good look at how the ZR-1 is handling it because your going to have at LEAST as much power with twice the weight.

Fourth, GET ON A DIET... both you AND the car! Seriously, start looking at ways to reduce the vehicle weight... ditch sound deadning, AC, sunroof, back seats etc.

Fifth, start looking for folks to work on your tranny... its not going to like this kind of abuse and is going to need stronger gears.

My guess is that your going to need around 1000hp to do what your thinking... maybe 800. Either way its a A$$load of power and traction is going to be your biggest problem... I say this because even the mighty Z06 cannot meet the performance figures you lay out (in STOCK form)... so you have a long row to hoe.

Good luck!

~LSx


ummm, HUH????

have you ever drag raced or modded a car before? specifically an LSX car? no offense, but it doesn't sound like it.

if G8's run ~13.5 stock, it isn't going to take a supercharger, twin turbo or anywhere CLOSE to 800-1000 hp :lol:

you'll pick up ~.1 per 10hp. no need to go gutting the car either, that is terrible advice. so is mini-tubbing. there is absolutely NO need for that.

a mild converter and drag radials should get you ~.5 in the 1/4. 265 Mickey Thompson DR's should to give you all the traction to run 11.5 you need with an auto. these will fit on a stock wheel. if not, a 17" wheel with 275's will give you all the traction you need.

so with a converter/tires, you could potentially crack 12's in good weather. your now ~150hp away from 11.5ET. sounds like a lot, but it is doable with a well put together combo.

a tune CAI, UDP and Headers are seeing 370rwhp. a 70hp increase over stock, should net low 12's.

an good cam, disabling AFM, and ported heads and milled to 11.5:1 and porting the intake should get you another 80hp.

it close, but a well put together car should get close to mid 11's with NO weight reduction.


drivetrain is a different story. nobody knows yet exactly what this tranny can take and how the rear suspension will hold out.

ummm, HUH????

have you ever drag raced or modded a car before? specifically an LSX car? no offense, but it doesn't sound like it.

if G8's run ~13.5 stock, it isn't going to take a supercharger, twin turbo or anywhere CLOSE to 800-1000 hp :lol:

you'll pick up ~.1 per 10hp. no need to go gutting the car either, that is terrible advice. so is mini-tubbing. there is absolutely NO need for that.

a mild converter and drag radials should get you ~.5 in the 1/4. 265 Mickey Thompson DR's should to give you all the traction to run 11.5 you need with an auto. these will fit on a stock wheel. if not, a 17" wheel with 275's will give you all the traction you need.

so with a converter/tires, you could potentially crack 12's in good weather. your now ~150hp away from 11.5ET. sounds like a lot, but it is doable with a well put together combo.

a tune CAI, UDP and Headers are seeing 370rwhp. a 70hp increase over stock, should net low 12's.

an good cam, disabling AFM, and ported heads and milled to 11.5:1 and porting the intake should get you another 80hp.

it close, but a well put together car should get close to mid 11's with NO weight reduction.


drivetrain is a different story. nobody knows yet exactly what this tranny can take and how the rear suspension will hold out.

Thank You. My fingers have turned into the "cript keepers" trying to explain every time.

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ummm, HUH????

have you ever drag raced or modded a car before? specifically an LSX car? no offense, but it doesn't sound like it.

None taken. No I haven't. I am basing my advice on what I have seen/heard/read about similar cars (M5, GTO, VXR8, Commodore, etc.) You are correct when you say that a 11.5 1/4 mile isn't that hard, but I was more focused on the 3.5sec 0-60... I basically agree with most of what you said if the 11.5 is the primary focus.


if G8's run ~13.5 stock, it isn't going to take a supercharger, twin turbo or anywhere CLOSE to 800-1000 hp :lol:

you'll pick up ~.1 per 10hp. no need to go gutting the car either, that is terrible advice. so is mini-tubbing. there is absolutely NO need for that.



OK, so skip the weight loss and mini-tubbing and use your formula and... you need another 200hp to go 11.5? So far I haven't seen any 600hp G8's or Commodores running that time with 'only' that power... not to say it isn't possible.

In either case, I think your advise is a bit conservative given how heavy this car is... but I'll be awefully excited to be wrong! Just means it'll be that much easier for me!

~LSx

Well we do know quite a bit about the ZETA / G8 suspension. It is far more robust than the VZ / GTO. It does have limitations. The four NVH voided sub-frame bushes allow for significant motion under load. This is exhibited as rear-end step out and is a documented phenomena with many IRS sub-frame platforms. It is easily resolved with sub-frame inserts EP1169. The differential is mounted with similar NVH voided bushes and those have a suitable replacement as well EP1167. These two modifications will improve the efficiency of energy transfer under drag launch conditions. They will also greatly reduce rear-end step out under more dynamic conditions.

The G8, unlike many other IRS vehicles does not have a wheel tramp issue. It does have a large differential with a triangular set of mounting points. The actual IRS is rather robust. The transmission is not rated for more than 400 to 450 RWHP depending on who you speak with at GM. I am currently at more than 450 RWHP but with OE size tires and a large cooler I am not terribly concerned with the drive-line as the tires break loose... Moving to large drag radials with more than 450 RWHP will take you into uncharted territory on the VE / ZETA.

GM has a number of special projects in process for the ZETA and ZETA II platforms. You will no more about these projects and the limitations of the ZETA / G8 from GM Racing and some members over the next few months. A short summary would be that ZETA is designed as though the engineers looked at everything that was an issue with the VZ, made a checklist and touched every point. They did an excellant job. Thanks to price points they left a lot of low hanging fruit for G8 owners and Pedders. Sub-frame inserts, differential bushes, nitrogen charged gas and oil struts.... Box stock a G8 is an excellent car. With a few mods it becomes an EXCELLANT CAR!

None taken. No I haven't. I am basing my advice on what I have seen/heard/read about similar cars (M5, GTO, VXR8, Commodore, etc.) You are correct when you say that a 11.5 1/4 mile isn't that hard, but I was more focused on the 3.5sec 0-60... I basically agree with most of what you said if the 11.5 is the primary focus.

OK, so skip the weight loss and mini-tubbing and use your formula and... you need another 200hp to go 11.5? So far I haven't seen any 600hp G8's or Commodores running that time with 'only' that power... not to say it isn't possible.

In either case, I think your advise is a bit conservative given how heavy this car is... but I'll be awefully excited to be wrong! Just means it'll be that much easier for me!

~LSx

almost. you don't need 200hp if you do gears, stall, DR. Not a crazy stall either, something in the ~3000 range with get you quite a bit of ET, possibly up to .5 seconds with a DR. not sure how much the gears will help considering the 6speed auto. with a 4L60 or T400, they would make a big difference.

drag racers don't care about 0-60. that is somewhat irreleveant. 60' times, 330', 1/8 and 1/4 are what matter. if you run a 11.5 you should be at 3.5 0-60 anyway.

no we haven't seen G8's with 550-600hp. the car has little to do with it, its basically a LS2 motor and those can get that number with the mods I explained. It will just take time for a G8 owner to do it, the cars are new and most people don't want to 'tear into' a new car, void the warranty etc... I'm not one of those guys :) I don't have a G8 yet, but am strongly considering one.

Well we do know quite a bit about the ZETA / G8 suspension. It is far more robust than the VZ / GTO. It does have limitations. The four NVH voided sub-frame bushes allow for significant motion under load. This is exhibited as rear-end step out and is a documented phenomena with many IRS sub-frame platforms. It is easily resolved with sub-frame inserts EP1169. The differential is mounted with similar NVH voided bushes and those have a suitable replacement as well EP1167. These two modifications will improve the efficiency of energy transfer under drag launch conditions. They will also greatly reduce rear-end step out under more dynamic conditions.

The G8, unlike many other IRS vehicles does not have a wheel tramp issue. It does have a large differential with a triangular set of mounting points. The actual IRS is rather robust. The transmission is not rated for more than 400 to 450 RWHP depending on who you speak with at GM. I am currently at more than 450 RWHP but with OE size tires and a large cooler I am not terribly concerned with the drive-line as the tires break loose... Moving to large drag radials with more than 450 RWHP will take you into uncharted territory on the VE / ZETA.

GM has a number of special projects in process for the ZETA and ZETA II platforms. You will no more about these projects and the limitations of the ZETA / G8 from GM Racing and some members over the next few months. A short summary would be that ZETA is designed as though the engineers looked at everything that was an issue with the VZ, made a checklist and touched every point. They did an excellant job. Thanks to price points they left a lot of low hanging fruit for G8 owners and Pedders. Sub-frame inserts, differential bushes, nitrogen charged gas and oil struts.... Box stock a G8 is an excellent car. With a few mods it becomes an EXCELLANT CAR!
excellent info! thanks.

how about the differential? is it limited to a 3.90 gear like the GTO was?

That's exciting stuff pete!

Well guys, my goal is to run an 11.XX on July 25th at Famoso in Bakersfield. I have a few more things on order, and I'll give it my best shot. I know the new GM high tech mag came out and one G8 owner I guess claims (and probably is the fastest) with a 12.2, this of course is on the famous downhill track in New Jersey with great DA, and Pump 93 gas. Wish me luck.

That would be me 11.8 @ 118 cam, heads and pipes no need for boost. Theres a few more tenths in it yet with the new stallie. This talk of 800 rwhp to run 11's is crap. We have a couple of G8/Ve M6's here in oz that ran 11's unopened ! Currently the na record is 10.8 cam + bolt on only M6. Mine is the quickest na auto.

You are going to need 450 rwhp to get the 11 na with the a6 or a stallie. I think unopened with bolt ons and a 3500 stall there is an 11 sec pass in them.
As it is I can't see a boosted VE/G8 car getting around mine on street tyres till after 60 mph ! then the boosted car will start to get a roll on .

cheers

Im starting to think going boosted is just going to cost me more money only to find out that I could achieve the same results through a N/A engine. . .

We have a couple of G8/Ve M6's here in oz that ran 11's unopened !


What do you mean unopened ?

What do you mean unopened ?

I believe they are referring to the exhaust system,

completely connected = unopened

remove from headers back = opened

I believe they are referring to the exhaust system,

completely connected = unopened

remove from headers back = opened

You mean people are running "open headers" on G8's ? I thought that was only done on ricer hondas. . .

I am willing to bet that unopened refers to stock internals... as in they have not opened the engine up and only have bolt ons.

Im starting to think going boosted is just going to cost me more money only to find out that I could achieve the same results through a N/A engine. . .

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You can try....but mine runs like stock...then the pedal and the scream and it's over.:judge:

I believe he is talking about an "unopened" motor. Ie, no cam, head work, etc.

Just pm Chuck@HPE on this site, I am sure he can be of some help. He was worked on many LSX engines and within the 04-06 GTO community has a spotless reputation. I think his shop is in the general Willowbrook mall part of Houston.

I believe he is talking about an "unopened" motor. Ie, no cam, head work, etc.

Thats exactly right stock internals just bolt on bits only with no power adder as well .

cheers

[This thread[/URL] is the VE that has the bolt-on record at 11.74 while the guy that post on this board has run a 11.86 with a cam as GR88 said. They are both 6.0L cars but do have a manual tranny.

Mines an A6 the unopend ones are M6's .

cheers

Im starting to think going boosted is just going to cost me more money only to find out that I could achieve the same results through a N/A engine. . .

Yes u can!

If you want to go fast without sacrificing driveability, boost is the best way to go. Well... some type of FI, including nitrous. To achieve supercharger power levels N/A you'll end up with a lumpy cam, less torque, and be more likely to break stuff because of more driveline shock due to the power delivery.

Then again, upgrading will also be easier and the buildup is more fun. Really it's personal choice and depends on what you want. Also keep altitude in mind, as if you're at high altitude FI is a much better choice no matter what.

Well guys, my goal is to run an 11.XX on July 25th at Famoso in Bakersfield. I have a few more things on order, and I'll give it my best shot. I know the new GM high tech mag came out and one G8 owner I guess claims (and probably is the fastest) with a 12.2, this of course is on the famous downhill track in New Jersey with great DA, and Pump 93 gas. Wish me luck. I know that guy well and Have been to 3 track rentals with him . His car went 12.08 @ 115mph on a flat D/A day NOS [ 100 shot ] K&N ,DR . ON a +2600 ft day off bottle [ we idled at tech for 30 min and ran with no cool down ] 13.1 @ 105 mph . On spray 12.1 @ 115mph 1.76 short time , BTW testing a 2800 stall on these runs . BTW he didn't make the claim GM high tech did

Great runs. Soon.........

My car is an everyday driver that is my wifes car that is not a hot rodder. I am going to eliminate AFM completely for reliability and tunability issues. I am going to start with the LS7 cam and valve train first. I will put the thinner head gaskets so it will be 10.9:1 compression. Ported intake and T-body. ARH 1 7/8 headers. A new tune with help from Mike @ New Era and my current list of mods. It should be around 500ish hp at the flywheel. I will put a 2500-2800 stall to help it launch and a little taller DR. In cool air it should go hi 11s be 100% dependable with a smooth idle. My 0-60 now in the early am hours is mid 4s. I,m guessing maybe 4.0. Too much down low will result in traction issues, so not concerned with 0-60. If I get 4 flat against the cars you listed, its a race! Hope this helps. Charlie

I hate to get in on this late but how do you expect to pick up 135 H.P. at the flywheel with a LS7 cam less than 1/2 point of compression LT headers and a tune?

Typically you might pick up 25 RWHP with the headers tuned which is probably 30ish at the motor, maybe 10 motor H.P. for the .5 point of compression and maybe 30 H.P. for the cam (although I don't seem to be able to find the L76 cam specs to make a direct comparison) and possibly another 10 H.P. for the intake / TB. The #'s don't add up.

Not trying to give you a hard time but I've played this game for quite a while and you're gonna need more than that. FWIW, I don't think the LS7 cam is going give you the powerband you need to work well with the A6 trans in a 4200 lb car. You need a cam with less LSA and less duration split between the intake and exhaust.

BTW, you are a much braver man than myself to modify and drag race the wife's daily driver.

Neal

I hate to get in on this late but how do you expect to pick up 135 H.P. at the flywheel with a LS7 cam less than 1/2 point of compression LT headers and a tune?

Typically you might pick up 25 RWHP with the headers tuned which is probably 30ish at the motor, maybe 10 motor H.P. for the .5 point of compression and maybe 30 H.P. for the cam (although I don't seem to be able to find the L76 cam specs to make a direct comparison) and possibly another 10 H.P. for the intake / TB. The #'s don't add up.

Not trying to give you a hard time but I've played this game for quite a while and you're gonna need more than that. FWIW, I don't think the LS7 cam is going give you the powerband you need to work well with the A6 trans in a 4200 lb car. You need a cam with less LSA and less duration split between the intake and exhaust.

BTW, you are a much braver man than myself to modify and drag race the wife's daily driver.

Neal

Let me help educate you. Cam spec 472/479 The minimum cam I will run will be 550/550. Air intake and tune = 40hp Pulley=5hp headers and muffs= 30hp Ported intake and T-body 15hp. Thats 90hp. I dont see any non DOD cam not picking up 50hp(GTO/Vette/F-bodys do) thats 140 without touching the heads. Not to mention that I have picked up over .4 with my personal mods. Hope this helps. Charlie

I love the doubters on here that always seem to say what you can and cant do. I find it amusing to say the least. I am not at the track drag racing every week. The car only has 1600 miles on it. To each their own, but this is why I am not on here as much anymore. If I went by what I read on here I would not have bought the car.

Charlie,

First off I wasn't trying offend you but it does appear that you believe you have all the answers and there is only one way to skin a cat and that's your way. I saw you waving around you master tech. qualifications earlier in the thread and wanted to give my opinion. It would seem that only yours counts.

I have a local friend that reminds me of you; very knowledgable, very opinionated, and always right. BTW, my last daily driver ran 136 MPH trap speeds. Try that with your wifes G8.

Neal

I ran my G8 at the GTO Nationals. 12.7 @ 110 MPH. Keep in mind that my reaction time is terrible I was on the OE tires. My guess is that the car is capable of 12 flat with drag radials and a better reaction time. Add in headers, better resonators or none, a revised tune and you are sub 12s with the AC on and a very average driver.

With he opportunity to run against the GeeTO Tiger the car got side ways on the 1 2 up-shift. Once I was out of the groove I could not get her back on line without backing off... I did come closed on the 60' times, but that was all, Dave GeeTO'd all over me... It was a great photo op at the tree. There are a lot of GTO owners that are rather impressed with the G8.

There are a lot of GTO owners that are rather impressed with the G8.

Myself included. It sounds like you've got a great running car there.

Neal

I ran my G8 at the GTO Nationals. 12.7 @ 110 MPH. Keep in mind that my reaction time is terrible I was on the OE tires. My guess is that the car is capable of 12 flat with drag radials and a better reaction time. Add in headers, better resonators or none, a revised tune and you are sub 12s with the AC on and a very average driver.

With he opportunity to run against the GeeTO Tiger the car got side ways on the 1 2 up-shift. Once I was out of the groove I could not get her back on line without backing off... I did come closed on the 60' times, but that was all, Dave GeeTO'd all over me... It was a great photo op at the tree. There are a lot of GTO owners that are rather impressed with the G8.


your a sponsor and don't know that your reaction time has NOTHING TO DO with your ET??? wow

Charlie,

First off I wasn't trying offend you but it does appear that you believe you have all the answers and there is only one way to skin a cat and that's your way. I saw you waving around you master tech. qualifications earlier in the thread and wanted to give my opinion. It would seem that only yours counts.

I have a local friend that reminds me of you; very knowledgable, very opinionated, and always right. BTW, my last daily driver ran 136 MPH trap speeds. Try that with your wifes G8.

Neal

Sir, most people on this site or others will never take a car as far as we do. I respect all opinions until they tell me what can and cant be done when I have done it. I wont go into the True Street stang I was the tuner/builder of that ran 9s at over 150. I love what I do and spend a LOT of time helping people at no charge. My reward is their happiness and look on their face when they drive it. I dont doubt or question anyone on here, but as always the ones who really know and go above and beyond are always the ones that are attacked or questioned and thats not right. But since it has always been that way I accept and will continue to put uneducated disbelievers in their place at will. The difference is when I make a statement it comes from 25 years full time experience and not playing in my garage on weekends.

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your a sponsor and don't know that your reaction time has NOTHING TO DO with your ET??? wow

What about drag radials knocking 8/10's off of his E.T.:wink2:

With 110 mph the power is not there for a 11 sec run .

What about drag radials knocking 8/10's off of his E.T.:wink2:

With 110 mph the power is not there for a 11 sec run .

Wut???

O'rly?

NHRA

Quarter-Mile Record Holders
Updated 07/15/2008
Stock Eliminator
Class E.T. Speed Date Driver/Car Location

K/S 11.59 112.62 10/13/07 Bob Gipson - Port Byron, IL '65 Chevy Indianapolis, IN
L/S 11.90 109.57 04/18/08 John Summers - Franklin, KY
'85 Ford Indianapolis, IN
M/S 12.00 109.24 05/24/08 Gary Summers - Franklin, KY
'85 Mustang Bowling Green, KY


J/SA 11.51 111.87 05/24/08 Eugene Monahan - Brockton, MA
'90 Pontiac Mohnton, PA
K/SA 11.76 109.86 05/24/08 Bill Edgeworth - Tacoma, WA
'77 Pontiac Mission, BC
L/SA 11.51 113.09 04/26/08 Bill Edgeworth - Tacoma, WA
'77 Pontiac Eagle, ID
M/SA 11.61 112.98 04/26/08 Don Forester - Riverside, CA
'80 Olds Eagle, ID
N/SA 12.80 0.00 05/01/08 Minimum
O/SA 12.15 108.71 03/09/08 Donald Sarrett - Hartville, OH
'81 Pontiac Tucson, AZ
P/SA 12.17 109.72 03/09/08 Chris Denton - Chandler, AZ
'80 Pontiac Tucson, AZ



I'm sorry, what was that? Yea, that's what I thought.


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Thank You George! You know how I get and where Ill go with some of these posts, but the meds seem to be working lately! LOL

Thank You George! You know how I get and where Ill go with some of these posts, but the meds seem to be working lately! LOL

No problem.

See, I have the remains of our old drag car (next project). A 307 powered '85 Olds'. It ran K and L/SA. Guess how fast it ran. Go on, guess.

:wink2:

Wut???

O'rly?

NHRA

Quarter-Mile Record Holders
Updated 07/15/2008
Stock Eliminator
Class E.T. Speed Date Driver/Car Location

K/S 11.59 112.62 10/13/07 Bob Gipson - Port Byron, IL '65 Chevy Indianapolis, IN
L/S 11.90 109.57 04/18/08 John Summers - Franklin, KY
'85 Ford Indianapolis, IN
M/S 12.00 109.24 05/24/08 Gary Summers - Franklin, KY
'85 Mustang Bowling Green, KY


J/SA 11.51 111.87 05/24/08 Eugene Monahan - Brockton, MA
'90 Pontiac Mohnton, PA
K/SA 11.76 109.86 05/24/08 Bill Edgeworth - Tacoma, WA
'77 Pontiac Mission, BC
L/SA 11.51 113.09 04/26/08 Bill Edgeworth - Tacoma, WA
'77 Pontiac Eagle, ID
M/SA 11.61 112.98 04/26/08 Don Forester - Riverside, CA
'80 Olds Eagle, ID
N/SA 12.80 0.00 05/01/08 Minimum
O/SA 12.15 108.71 03/09/08 Donald Sarrett - Hartville, OH
'81 Pontiac Tucson, AZ
P/SA 12.17 109.72 03/09/08 Chris Denton - Chandler, AZ
'80 Pontiac Tucson, AZ



I'm sorry, what was that? Yea, that's what I thought.


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there is a HUGE difference between a G8 and a stock eliminator. that is a horrible comparision.

there is a HUGE difference between a G8 and a stock eliminator. that is a horrible comparision.

I know there is a difference, but horsepower does not lie.

He said 110mph will not give you a sub12 second run.

He is wrong.

You either have the horsepower to run the number, or you do not.

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That's what I need for even bothering...

LMAO! that was for u buddy! Now its you getting caught in the trap. You and Ray as well as others helped cure or tone down my inability to not put people in their place and look what happened. Now I know I can go on and on for what? So now the people that want to know PM me or chat with me elsewhere.

Since it has always been that way I accept and will continue to put uneducated disbelievers in their place at will. The difference is when I make a statement it comes from 25 years full time experience and not playing in my garage on weekends.

So what you're saying is that people that don't agree with you are "uneducated disbelievers"? Granted, there are plenty of them out there but that's a pretty broad statement. BTW, I've been a professional mechanic myself for the last 20+ years also.

Neal

So what you're saying is that people that don't agree with you are "uneducated disbelievers"? Granted, there are plenty of them out there but that's a pretty broad statement. BTW, I've been a professional mechanic myself for the last 20+ years also.

Neal

Neal check your PM

Neal check your PM

Charlie,

I got your PM. I sent you one back.

THX

Neal

I know there is a difference, but horsepower does not lie.

He said 110mph will not give you a sub12 second run.

He is wrong.

You either have the horsepower to run the number, or you do not.


Ok we talking about G8's with drag radials that now runs 12.7 @ 110 MPH stock tires .

So let me rephrase this car needs more HP to run 11's or alot of weight reduction or something elses :driving:.......

You are correct. I ran that time with about 800 miles on the car also. It was in the 80s with 80+ percent humidity. With ARH headers, 2800 stall, drag radials and 2k miles with temps in the 60s and humidity under 50% I just cant see not hitting 12teens to 12.3 max. Thats with a 100% stock motor. The times I was running on DashHawk now versus then are faster without the MF. We will see soon.

Check out one of the many HP Calculators (Google it).

The figure I come up with is 545 HP for an 11.5 1/4 with a 4200 lb car and driver. That is what my G8 weighed at the track. These are rough numbers but it is interesting how many fewer HP a lighter Mustang has to produce to do the same thing....

Is that flywheel or RWHP? I used 1 of those calclators and it said I had to have 393 RWHP to run my time if the car was 4k. I think you always have to factor efficiency. 2 cars modded the same, but prepped differently, the track prepped car could be .3 - .5 faster. I know my car makes a lot of power, but I dont think a dyno in the world is gonna show 393 hp. Just a thought.

i will come after that 11.5 1/4 mile time. then i will blow the tranny out if that is what it takes to get under 11. it is coming.........