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Sweet!:thumbsup:

This is great news! One step closer :gears:

Great news. I think AutoBlog got it right: "Yep, they somehow managed to get the price of the performance model below $30,000, which, considering this car is basically imported from Australia, is amazing."

The website hasn't been updated to add prices to the option packages. I used the prices from the Grand Prix to estimate the cost of the Premium Package, Sunroof and destination added to the GT's base price for $32,515. This is within $50 of a similarly equipped Charger.

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NICE!!! :)

I was anticipating the V6 starting a little less, but the price of the GT is exactly where I had anticipated them placing it.

Now I wonder if there will be a surcharge for a manual or if that will reduce the price, as it does in many other models?

Not bad. I wonder how much the options will add to the price.

NICE!!! :)

I was anticipating the V6 starting a little less, but the price of the GT is exactly where I had anticipated them placing it.

Now I wonder if there will be a surcharge for a manual or if that will reduce the price, as it does in many other models?

Looks like there isn't going to be a manual offered...maybe for the gxp...

Fuggin sweet. I will get the base GT and add wheels, navi, leather, myself anyway. Now when are they gonna release teh damn things!

Looks like there isn't going to be a manual offered...maybe for the gxp...

That's what I have heard as well, maybe with a 40HP bump?

Looks like there isn't going to be a manual offered...maybe for the gxp...

Where did you get this information from !! i really hope i dont have to wait for the GXP (if there even is one) to come out to get a damn manual gearbox !! if this is the case I may be forced to Buy something else as I will not wait untill 09 to get one !! Last I heard was that the 6-speed manual will follow a few months after the Launch of the Auto's,

Manual will be available later on. Maybe late 2008...

That's pretty sweet.

I'm sure a manual will be offered eventually for V8 customers.

Again guys, if you don't like something provide the feedback to Pontiac so they can make the changes.

SWEET. order me a Red G8 GT with the 2 tone cloth interior and the 19" wheels. I am ready to go. (as soon as I test drive one, dam it.) Maybe the dealers should have some for test drives (not for sale) and pre-orders. That way they wouldn't lose half a model year. By the time they hit the dealers it'll mid model year.

Looks like there isn't going to be a manual offered...maybe for the gxp...


No, there will be, on both the G8 GT and G8 GXP. It will just be a later release, however. :(

I'm thinking mid-to-late-2008.

Wow....my RSS feed capture worked well! I didnt even catch it that fast ;)

$29k is not bad - GXP ....34k ? very reasonable.

So now the recommended retail price has been posted - now I suppose all the US purchasers will need to enjoy being "gouged" by the unscrupulous dealers scattered throughout the Pontiac network!!!!

Remember those who were shafted when the GTO lobbed in 2004. One of the reasons the GTO had a difficult beginning!

Mike

Even loaded with every available option (which are few) the G8GT will hold its own price-wise against even an Accord and beats an Acura TL-S by around $4k (and nearly 100 hp)

Now it's time to find out the price of the few options and option groups available. :)

I am lovin it. The retail price came in around 2K less than I expected

The funny thing about the Interweb is the word gets out about who gouges and who doesn't. If you're initially willing to travel to get a fair deal it should be OK. Still, I expect some dealers will have marked up G8's as lot ornaments for quite a while. Some things never change.

So now the recommended retail price has been posted - now I suppose all the US purchasers will need to enjoy being "gouged" by the unscrupulous dealers scattered throughout the Pontiac network!!!!...

I am lovin it. The retail price came in around 2K less than I expected

Many were thinking 32 for the GT. I'm happy with 29,995.

FYI, if you go to the dodge web site, a 2008 Charger RT with nothing added comes in at 30,755 with nothing added (Destination not added)

I'm guessing the GXP will get the LS3, 435 HP

So now the recommended retail price has been posted - now I suppose all the US purchasers will need to enjoy being "gouged" by the unscrupulous dealers scattered throughout the Pontiac network!!!!

Remember those who were shafted when the GTO lobbed in 2004. One of the reasons the GTO had a difficult beginning!

Mike

Don't bet on this. Since there will be more G8s out there, the gouging won't happen. There will be enough out there to "take your business elsewhere". :ohsnap1:

nice:stormtrooper:

I have a GM card maxed out so looks good for the G8 will be getting the V6 version.

BTW: i drove the new 08 Accord and it just does not do it for me nor did the previous version.

I would rather have G6 GTP than the accord the G6 is a supple driving car that is lithe.
The altima is nice to but want to be :us_flag:

Rik

How much will the gas guzzler tax be on the manual? I know there's some sort of formula, but can't remember where I saw it.

nice:stormtrooper:

I have a GM card maxed out so looks good for the G8 will be getting the V6 version.

BTW: i drove the new 08 Accord and it just does not do it for me nor did the previous version.

I would rather have G6 GTP than the accord the G6 is a supple driving car that is lithe.
The altima is nice to but want to be :us_flag:

Rik My wife has finally mentioned that the G6 doe s look nice and that maybe this time she wants a smaller car than teh GP (so have to work her over, maybe stick G6 badge on the G8) Her sister has an Altima and the road noise in the rear seat is terrible, not to mention her hubby simply hipped the door to close it and put a big dent in driver's door - thin thin metal.

How much will the gas guzzler tax be on the manual? I know there's some sort of formula, but can't remember where I saw it.http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/info.shtml#guzzler In the guide for 2997 model year Charger with 6.1 and automatic is taxed, mpg 14/20 which by approximate formula is combined 19.05 and could be from $1700 to $2100 (haven't looked at one up close)

Do you have to pay that tax only if you buy it new? I'm thinking of buying a slightly used one a couple years down the road.

im gonna wait for the 2009 model because its supposed to have more options and hopefully more color choices, unless the raise the price then i will just get a used 08. That seems weird to me, the 09 model wil be out the same year as the debut 08 model.

Do you have to pay that tax only if you buy it new? I'm thinking of buying a slightly used one a couple years down the road.

GGT is paid only once by manufacturer (passed along to sticker at first retail) so a used GTO, CTS-V, Charger SRT, will not pay again, just keep in mind the lousy fuel economy of these models for everyday use.

I dont think this will be my daily driver. this is a date night weekend car for me.

Good deal! I am thinking that I will trade the TBSS in for this. I think it will be more fun car to drive. With at tune and a CAI it will really rock the streets.

great news!

Great news! Even better I don't need to get leather to get the V8.....I can't wait to test drive one.

Great news! Even better I don't need to get leather to get the V8.....I can't wait to test drive one.

+1. If it has the nicer, high quality cloth, that will more than suffice. I just hate the type of cloth that feels like mousehair and makes your clothes staticy whenever you get into or out of the car... which is why I have leather in all of my vehicles right now. However, if it's a high grade cloth, I would certainly be welcome to switching back!

And as far as I'm concerned, I think a test drive is going to speak volumes about this car...

Any reason why the cylinder deactivation won't be available on the manual? Can't it only be active in 6th gear? Does the manual Vette have it? :drink:

...bye-bye to my 2004 Audi S4. I'd like to buy a well worth it American sedan again...and this vehicle looks like it.

Any reason why the cylinder deactivation won't be available on the manual? Can't it only be active in 6th gear? Does the manual Vette have it? :drink:
I'm sure that it has something to do with computer control. All of the GM trucks with AFM are automatics. The manual trans takes some of the controls out of the engineers hands. And no, the 'Vette doesn't have it at all.

...bye-bye to my 2004 Audi S4. I'd like to buy a well worth it American sedan again...and this vehicle looks like it.
I'm sure you'll be happy with this new Australian car.

I'm sure you'll be happy with this new Australian car.

This quote is getting so old I almost want to bifurcate a heart valve. Get off it already. GM-North America is getting any profits this car generates, not Australia. Global business means global perspective and its time to see cars from GM that make people proud once again, regardless of origin.

^ Good post.

This quote is getting so old I almost want to bifurcate a heart valve. Get off it already. GM-North America is getting any profits this car generates, not Australia. Global business means global perspective and its time to see cars from GM that make people proud once again, regardless of origin.

Closest thing we have to a :brentil: smiley at www.solsticeforum.com that is appropriate in this situation is :bomb:

Other than buying a car sourced from China, which would be smothered in lead paint not suitable for children's toys we are in a global economy. Should nobody buy a Saab or Volvo because they are not built here it would hurt two Detroit companies harder than any in Sweden. It always brings up the situation as well, after WWII we started purchasing German cars as early as 1948 but took a full ten more years to get any Japanese cars here. If you look closely at the history of Audi and its prefecesor, Auto Union, you will see it was formed by personal decree of Herr Hitler, himself. Dr. Porsche's first vehicles were designed at his command as well. But we put that history behind as we embraced the Beetle. And if you had a Mitsubishi with those twin Target Store logos on the wings aimed right at your carrier deck, how would that affect your purchase reasoning? As Tony Soprano would say "fuggitaboudit"

This quote is getting so old I almost want to bifurcate a heart valve. Get off it already. GM-North America is getting any profits this car generates, not Australia. Global business means global perspective and its time to see cars from GM that make people proud once again, regardless of origin.

My statement was to simply correct a grammatical error. Since this car is not built in America (or anywhere in North America), it is not an American car. But, for as long as I have owned my GTO, many "enthusiasts" call it American because it has that kind of feel. No, at times like that, I don't correct them. But, it is the quality of the car that they respect. Nowhere did I jump down anyone's throat about it being an Australian car. I simply reminded him that the G8 takes longer to get to dealerships than other Pontiacs.

isnt the v8 made in mexico?

Closest thing we have to a :brentil: smiley at www.solsticeforum.com that is appropriate in this situation is :bomb:

Other than buying a car sourced from China, which would be smothered in lead paint not suitable for children's toys we are in a global economy. Should nobody buy a Saab or Volvo because they are not built here it would hurt two Detroit companies harder than any in Sweden. It always brings up the situation as well, after WWII we started purchasing German cars as early as 1948 but took a full ten more years to get any Japanese cars here. If you look closely at the history of Audi and its prefecesor, Auto Union, you will see it was formed by personal decree of Herr Hitler, himself. Dr. Porsche's first vehicles were designed at his command as well. But we put that history behind as we embraced the Beetle. And if you had a Mitsubishi with those twin Target Store logos on the wings aimed right at your carrier deck, how would that affect your purchase reasoning? As Tony Soprano would say "fuggitaboudit"


Not to start a flame war with anyone here, but Audi was not started by Hitler. Volkswagen was. Audi was started by a man named Horsch (forgot his first name), after the car company he started, Horsch (weird name, huh?) gave him the boot. Audi actually started out as Auto Union, because it was a union (weird, again) of a couple different companies. And the thing about Dr. Ferdinand Porsche is not exactly true either. He consulted on the Volkswagens Hitler made, and he also helped out with Auto Union Gran Prix cars back in the '30s when they raced against the Benz Silver Arrows. And if you really want to get into quirky WW2 automobile history, Benz provided engines for Wehrmacht tanks such as the Panther and Tiger and BMW supplied engines for the Luftwaffe airplanes (non-jets).

And besides the US took Werner von Braun(sp?) a genius scientist responsible for inventing the rocket engines used in V-1's and V-2's which were used to kill British citizens and some American servicemen, and also a known Nazi Party member, and gave him asyulm so he could make rocket engines for the Apollo space program and other NASA programs.

So, that is just the price we pay for advancing our civilization, dude. :(

isnt the v8 made in mexico?


I believe they are, at least I know some of the C5 Z06's LS6s were. And I think that there was a rumor that the Mexican ones were stronger or better for some reason.

I got a Mexican built ZZ3 that was complete crap!

It used a quart of oil every 300 miles or so from the first day I put it in.

............, but Audi was not started by Hitler. Volkswagen was. Audi was started by a man named Horsch (forgot his first name), .................

So, that is just the price we pay for advancing our civilization, dude. :(

August Horch, and Audi is Latin for Horch (hark or listen). And of course I erred, Auto Union's formation in 1932 predates the elevation of Hitler to Chancellor by one year. And I did read recently that the German army relied heavily on GM-built or designed trucks. http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/vehicles/vm/Opel-Blitz/Blitz-Truck/Blitz-truck.htm actually taking over the Opel company in 1940. So there is a connection back to GMC/Pontiac in all of this.

How the heck this thread go from G8 pricing to Mexican engines and German automakers/rocket scientists?

I am getting a little confused as well. I just want the car!

Since we don't have the car, there has to be SOMETHING to talk about.

How about that new Vibe???

I got the wife excited about the G8 right now. I start talking about other cars I am not sure she can handle that:)

Since we don't have the car, there has to be SOMETHING to talk about.

How about that new Vibe???

What more needs to be said other than :eek2:. It looks like the old Vibe got some of Caddy's design treatment. When I first saw it, I thought, "Looks like the old one looking at the sides".

I am personally disappointed GM did not implement the RWD/AWD system that Inifiniti has been alone in the marketplace with for the under-$35K crowd (wife drives a G35X and it's fantastic in snow and handles great with RWD when the extra traction is not needed.) I am also disappointed that they are holding back the LS3 GXP version until either late in the year or 2009.

So what you say? Well, it means that while I will take the little lady to see and drive a G8, she likely will want another G3X sedan. The Infiniti has been fun and bulletproof and is priced way below comparable models from GM.

(Now before you begin tooth-browsing my leg, I'm aware that Cadillac has a CTS version with AWD and yes it looks nice but I've yet to see one priced anywhere near the comparable Infiniti G-series. They're usually well over $40K.)

I have been waiting for the G8 to come out ever since they were talking about the new GTO concept a year and a half ago. Now that is it getting close, I am anxiously awaiting. However, I have been doing some math. I now own a Grand Am GT which weighs 3100 lbs and has 190 HP. The G8 GT is predicted to weigh 4000 lbs with 360 HP. With each 100 lbs roughly equal to 10HP that means I am only going to gain 80Hp in reality (360-190 minus the weight difference). I am still looking forward to buying a GT but it looks like it won't be powerhouse that I thought it would be. Am I thinking about this wrong? Does anyone have any idea why this things weighs so much? 4000lbs seems like a tank.

All of GM's newest vehicles seem to be on the heavy side - the VE, Lambdas, VUE, even the Malibu is noted for being the heaviest in class. IMO, its reflective of a lack of engineering resources to make the platforms strong without adding significant cost. Add a thicker support here, an extra bracing there...

Specific to the power to weight ratio of the G8, its not very good when compared with cars like the G35, Acura TL et al. Its almost old-school Detroit using cubic inches to overcome size/weight. That said, the performance seems to be there. AFM and regular fuel does off-set the lower fuel economy of the G8 compared with other $30K - $35K sport sedans and it is a LOT bigger car.

I have been waiting for the G8 to come out . . .4000lbs seems like a tank.

While 4000 lbs is not exactly a “light-weight”, many similar sized performance sedans weight close to that: The BMW 550i, for one example.

And the substantial TQ for the G8 V8 is another factor, particularly in typical street driving.

I did a similar comparison a while back, looking at the BMW 550:

The 550i C+D test last Fall shows 13.7 at 104 – with a 6 speed automatic. On a day when they recorded an M45 Sport at 14.5 @ 100. And that is the slowest ( least quick ) time I ever recall seeing for the M45 - certainly since the initial flurry of tests at the Infiniti’s introduction time . . .

And R&T tested the 545i at 13.7 \ 104 & 0 – 60 in 5.2 in June 2005.

“0-60 in the low 5s”

Hmmmm. . .

Looking at some other sedans with similar weight & HP and also recording “low 5s”, I see quarter mile numbers in the high 13s at 103 \ 104.

If independent testing confirms that to be true, with the automatic trans. ( no mention of the manual in the text ) I will be impressed – and the G8 V8 will be on my “short list”.

Looking at the weights, the final drive ratios & the gearing in the six speed automatics of the 545i\550i & G8 ( I will not be buying an Manual 6 speed )

Edit: I had fearlessly predicted [ ?? ] that the G8 V8 w/automatic will be just under 14 seconds in the quarter – and 0 to 60 in the mid-5s. Now I will ( cautiously ) hope for the low 5s and something like 13.6 – at 104-ish.

If the G8 GT actually breaks 14 when independent tests are published.
And if the dynamics are as predicted by various tests of the Holden versions.
And if the 6L80 receives the same upgrades that the 2008 Corvette & Caddy STS have reportedly undergone. ( I drive a 2007 Vette with this trans. )
And if the ‘real world’ fuel mileage is reasonable.
And if the fit & finish of production examples is excellent.
Etc.

Then the G8 GT will be on my short list – next year.

- Ray
Always planning ahead . . .

= = =

From C+D Nov 2006:

wt 4048
V8 360\360
13.7 @ 104
5.2
final drive 3.38
1st = 4.17
2nd = 2.34
6th = 0.69
MPH / 1000 RPM in 6th = 31.6
[[ est G8 Gt: 37.6 = 1,600 RPM at 60 ]]

Tire sizes?? Compare rev \ mile of each??
G8 GT V8

Gearing.
BMW:
Final drive: 3.38:1
Top gear: 0.69
G8:
Final drive ( A6 ): 2.92
Top gear ( sixth ): 0.67
[ fifth = 0.85 ]

Length.

G8: 196.1

Wheelbase.

G8: 114.8

Width.

G8: 74.8

From BMWUSA.com

STEPTRONIC automatic gear ratios - I/II/III 4.17/2.34/1.52 :1

STEPTRONIC automatic gear ratios - IV/V/VI/R 1.14/0.87/0.69/3.40 :1

STEPTRONIC automatic gear ratios - Final drive ratio 3.38 :1

I have been waiting for the G8 to come out ever since they were talking about the new GTO concept a year and a half ago. Now that is it getting close, I am anxiously awaiting. However, I have been doing some math. I now own a Grand Am GT which weighs 3100 lbs and has 190 HP. The G8 GT is predicted to weigh 4000 lbs with 360 HP. With each 100 lbs roughly equal to 10HP that means I am only going to gain 80Hp in reality (360-190 minus the weight difference). I am still looking forward to buying a GT but it looks like it won't be powerhouse that I thought it would be. Am I thinking about this wrong? Does anyone have any idea why this things weighs so much? 4000lbs seems like a tank.

You forgot to figure in the torque. The jump up in torque will be very noticable. Also, I would tend to believe that the gearing should be different so that it will make the Grand Am look like pig. My '96 Impala SS only has 260 hp stock, but it feels much faster than that b/c of 330 ft/lbs of torque. :burnout:

Edit: Pretty much what raiynsw said but with less numbers. lol.

Since we don't have the car, there has to be SOMETHING to talk about.

How about that new Vibe???

:bomb:

Pontiac still makes that thing???

I got the wife excited about the G8 right now. I start talking about other cars I am not sure she can handle that:)

Same here - except fiance not wife! She's all for it after I showed her pics and specs if we can get rid of the "nostrils" on the hood! :laugh:

All of GM's newest vehicles seem to be on the heavy side - the VE, Lambdas, VUE, even the Malibu is noted for being the heaviest in class. IMO, its reflective of a lack of engineering resources to make the platforms strong without adding significant cost. Add a thicker support here, an extra bracing there...

Specific to the power to weight ratio of the G8, its not very good when compared with cars like the G35, Acura TL et al. Its almost old-school Detroit using cubic inches to overcome size/weight. That said, the performance seems to be there. AFM and regular fuel does off-set the lower fuel economy of the G8 compared with other $30K - $35K sport sedans and it is a LOT bigger car.

Well, people have ragged GM for years and years for making vehicles that felt tinny, had low-grade plastics, rattled, etc. Well, to rectify that problem, they're using higher-grade plastics, thicker metal, more sound deadening, and so forth. This produces a higher-quality vehicle, and now people are complaining about weight...even after they give you a 361hp V8 for $29k.

They'll never be able to please everyone.

Edit: Pretty much what raiynsw said but with less numbers. lol.

HAH!
One additional, relevant data point here is the release of ( prelim. ) EPA MPG:
15\23 for the G8 V8.
BMW 550 A6 =
15\23

- Ray
Rarely a man of few words....

That makes me feel a little better. Thanks for all the comments. Now if I could only buy the thing.

29k US???? how the hell you guys get them soo cheap! we're talking 8k/ cheaper...

:bomb:

Pontiac still makes that thing???



Same here - except fiance not wife! She's all for it after I showed her pics and specs if we can get rid of the "nostrils" on the hood! :laugh:



Well, people have ragged GM for years and years for making vehicles that felt tinny, had low-grade plastics, rattled, etc. Well, to rectify that problem, they're using higher-grade plastics, thicker metal, more sound deadening, and so forth. This produces a higher-quality vehicle, and now people are complaining about weight...even after they give you a 361hp V8 for $29k.

They'll never be able to please everyone.


I don't think you can compare the new VUE to the RAV4 and say that the VUE is 500 lbs in better quality that the RAV4. It just suggests that they're adding weight to solve problems rather than going through the cost of engineering solutions.

29k US???? how the hell you guys get them soo cheap! we're talking 8k/ cheaper...

Its depreciation caused by the Pontiac badge. When you see mine come down the line, would you please leave them off? Those in the know will recognize the hood scoops.

Its depreciation caused by the Pontiac badge. When you see mine come down the line, would you please leave them off? Those in the know will recognize the hood scoops.

You can leave the "scoops" off of mine unless someone comes up with a decent CIA that uses them. :p

funny. cause we can't get G8 bonnets and there's a few people here who would want them on their VE's...especially the UTE.

Called the dealer and told him I want the first order for a G-8, will get rid of the Impala SS. I have been waiting a long time for GM to finally bring back a rear wheel drive V-8.

Called the dealer and told him I want the first order for a G-8, will get rid of the Impala SS. I have been waiting a long time for GM to finally bring back a rear wheel drive V-8.

What did they say?

He said for me to get the options that I want to him so he can order the first one once he is able to order it.

Have all the options been finalized? If I know how GM works, the options won't be final until one can build it online.

Have all the options been finalized? If I know how GM works, the options won't be final until one can build it online.

The options are finalized as the dealer order book has been published (and was briefly accessible on the dealer world page) so those who saw it could save a .pdf.

GUANA: Did they give you any idea on timing for information re: pricing of the option packages?

Posted on another board - seem reasonable, but I cannot say that they are 'official'...

G8 GT - ($29,310)
Prem Package - ($1250)
Sport Package - ($600)
Sunroof - ($900)
All Season Tires - ($150)

Freight - $685

dont they start at 29995? not 29310

add the freight and you get that

which dealer was this? where?

Kind of a rip off that they'd charge $150 for all season tires.

Mine (GT/Premium/Sunroof/all-season tires/destination) would price out at $32980. Right in line with a Dodge Charger. It would also be consistent with replacing my Nissan Maxima (which would involve the trade off between V8 power in the G8 vs. the greater amenities of the Maxima).

Reasonable.

From Edmunds.com:

Price with Options
2008 Pontiac G8
GT 4dr Sedan (6.0L 8cyl 6A)
. . . . . . . . . . .MSRP . . . . .Invoice

A note about advertising fees $29,310 $27,698
Select Options
PCQ Premium Package info $1,250 $1,038
CF5 Power Tilt-Sliding Sunroof info $900 $747
PDX Sport Package info $600 $498
QFX P245/45R18-96V All-Season Blackwall Tires info $150 $125

MSRP pricing is:

G8 Sedan Base 26910.00
G8 Sedan GT 29310.00

Premium Package - Base 1375
Premium Package - GT 1250.00
Comfort & Sound Package - Base 795.00
Sport Package - GT 600.00

Sunroof - 900.00
Tires - 150.00

GMS pricing is:

G8 Sedan Base 24772.65
G8 Sedan GT 26968.65

Premium Package - Base 1100.00
Premium Package - GT 1000.00
Comfort & Sound Package - Base 636.00
Sport Package - GT 480.00

Sunroof - 720.00
Tires - 120.00

That is it for options. DFC is 685.00 and there is no GG tax on this vehicle.

So a LOADED GT is just over 30K with GMS, WOW!

I was wondering if they were going to offer GMS. Thanks for the info.

I have it from a dealer in MN that the G8 is available under GMS pricing.

I have it from a dealer in MN that the G8 is available under GMS pricing.

yes it is my uncle told me it is. hes retired gm electromotive head chicago division. so all who have hook ups in the gm world should be happy that they will honor gms pricing, and the other spiffs also =)

chrish

I doubt that you can order all season tires with the sport package. I think they are only available in lieu of standard 18" summer tires.

wats gms?

GM's

wats gms?

GM supplier pricing.

GMS is still at the dealership discretion. If they choose to not honor, they do not have to. The pricing that I posted is EMPLOYEE and not supplier. Supplier is higher.

Correct, GMS is not GM Supplier even though the acronyms match up. GMS is a bigger discount than GM Supplier.

It is true that it is at a delaer's discretion but I have never had a problem using it. If one dealer won't honor it, then go down the road to the next one or just state to the first dealer that you will take your business elsewhere and threaten to spread the word to your friends about their bad customer service. I'm sure they also want your business if and when you bring it in for service. That is where they make their money.

I doubt that you can order all season tires with the sport package. I think they are only available in lieu of standard 18" summer tires.

THe all season tires are for the 18" wheels only according to the dealer order book.

GM supplier pricing.

Not supplier pricing, but GM employee/retiree pricing. Typically 89.9 percent of MSRP + other incentives - can vary by model (ie Corvette).

Not supplier pricing, but GM employee/retiree pricing. Typically 89.9 percent of MSRP + other incentives - can vary by model (ie Corvette).

:hail: could not agree more

chrish