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r.penguin@comcast.net
07-27-2008, 11:07 PM
Since there is already a thread on gasoline in here, here goes. Please note that I did not write this, but got it from a customer in Oregon a few months ago. I do agree with some of it tho', so if your daddy or cousin work for Shell, Chevron, etc. Don't start whining to me that it isn't true, or whatever. :us_flag: :patriot: :aus_flag:



Subject: Where to buy AMERICAN gasoline. We can make a difference.


WHERE TO BUY AMERICAN GASOLINE. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW. READ ON.
Gas rationing in the 70's worked even though we grumbled about it. It might even have been good for us!
Are you aware that the Saudis are boycotting American products? In addition, they are gouging us on oil prices.
Shouldn't we return the favor? Can't we take control of our own destiny and let these giant oil importers know who REALLY generates their profits, their livings? How about leaving American Dollars in America and reduce the import/export deficit!
An appealing remedy might be to boycott their GAS. Every time you fill up your car you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of OPEC . Just purchase gas from companies that don't import their oil from the Middle East.
Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill up my tank, I'm sending my money to people who want me, my family and my friends dead. The following gas companies import Middle Eastern oil:

Shell.................................... 205,742,000 barrels
Chevron/Texaco.................... 144,332,000 barrels
Exxon /Mobil........................ 130,082,000 barrels
Marathon/Speedway............. 117,740,000 barrels
Amoco.................................. 62,231,000 barrels
And CITGO (7-11) oil is imported from Venezuela by Dictator Hugo Chavez who hates America and openly avows our economic destruction! (We pay Chavez's regime nearly $10 Billion per year in oil revenues!)
The U.S. currently imports 5,517,000 barrels of crude oil per day from OPEC. If you do the math at $100 per barrel, that's over $550 million PER DAY ($200 BILLION per year!) handed over to OPEC, many of whose members are our confirmed enemies!!!!! It won't stop here - oil prices could go to $200 a barrel or higher if we keep buying their product.

Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:
Sunoco......................... 0 barrels
Conoco........................ 0 barrels
Sinclair....................... 0 barrels
BP / Phillips................ 0 barrels
Hess. ............................. 0 barrels
ARC0............................. 0 barrels
Maverick......................... 0 barrels
Flying J. .......................... 0 barrels
Valero............................ 0 barrels
Murphy Oil USA* ............. 0 Sold at Wal-Mart , gas is from South Arkansas and fully USA owned and produced.
*Not only that but they give scholarships to all children in their town who finish high school and are legal US citizens..
All of this information is available from the U.S. Department of Energy and each company is required to state where they get their oil and how much they are importing.

But to have a real impact, we need to reach literally millions of gas buyers With the help of the internet, it's really simple to do. Now, don't wimp out at this point....keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!
I'm sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it to at only ten more (30 x 10 = 300)....and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000)....and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers!!!!!!!

If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it...THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE-the entire population of the United States of America !!!!

Again, all you have to do is forward this message to 10 people. How long would that really take you? If each of us sends this e-mail out to ten more people, within one day all 300 MILLION people could theoretically be contacted during the next eight days!


Tom Vinson
Tualatin, OR

p71
07-28-2008, 12:39 AM
Ummmm....

yeah.

Love you penguin, I really do man, but getting 300 million US buyers to switch to American oil is not a reasoable proposition. There is not enough US oil.

I mean it is like trying to have everyone in the country buy a G8. All well and good for the first 10-15 thousand but then what?

I admire your personal commitment if you do buy American. Hell I think it is the patriotic thing to do... but this is an unwinnable proposition, no matter how noble.

Atlas
07-28-2008, 12:45 AM
^i think he misinterpreted the not buying from the middle east thing..

we get most of our oil from Canada, Mexico, Venezuela, Nigeria, Angola, Algeria, United Kingdom, Brazil...

p71
07-28-2008, 01:01 AM
... I know where we get our gas from... Mostly Canada with an increasing percentage due to the higher demand for oil sand fuel due to rises in global pricing. We also get a lot of oil from Mexico and they are filming a TV show an hour or so away from where I live based on the lives of Oil field workers in the suddenly resurgent West Texas oil feilds.. belive me I know where oil comes from.

Unfortunately the reason global pricing per barrel of oil (which is set on the global free market and has nothing to do with price gouging by the suppliers) is so high is that demand (including the demand by those buying oil futures) is outstripping supply. If we decide to not buy foreign oil then our supply is even further limited...

Look this would make sense if we had the capacity in place and the reserves to support national demand. recent surveys show that we may have the reserves, but between us, Canada and Mexico (who do not like us either) we are barely getting to 2/3 of the US demand. If everyone boycotts "non NAFTA" (for lack of a better word) oil there will be a 30 % loss of real supply. Gasoline is extemly price inelastic at this point... what little elasticity there was has already been squeesed out of the market... doing this would probably send the per gallon price to $6 a barrel at the "NAFTA" only gas stations, whilst the "foreign" gas staqtions would rimply reduce their prices.

We are all G8 owners, lovers haters or pretenders. I think almost all of us are not facing the choice between gasolin and food. However there are many who are.

Think abou this too... it is not just gasoline... virtually every peice of plastic or nylon or rubber is made from oil. Every road surface is made from oil. The fertaliser that makes our plants grow is made from oil...

We are addicted to the point that if we try to cut back like this cold turkey it will kill us...

Anyway... if the American consumer does not buy that foreign oil, the Govt will, ad put it in the strategic reserve, or use it to power are fighters and bombers and tanks and HUMMERS and 915s and HETS and LMTVs and....

sorry...

sensitive subject.

Again it is a nice tought... a great and noble thought... unfortunately it is also a completly impractical thought.

Atlas
07-28-2008, 01:20 AM
i do agree with you p71, but, if they had drilled ANWR and in other places 10 years ago, like they should have, the crunch wouldn't be as severe... i find it rather humorous when some say we shouldn't drill our reserves now b/c we won't see instant gratification, lol... the chinese are 50 miles off the FL coastline drilling for oil, but we won't b/c the tree huggers would bitch and moan... also, the new discovery of huge reserves in the arctic circle will help in the future too, hopefully... we just need to drill ANWR, off the coast, in Colorado, and where ever else we have reserves to help ourselves in the future... b/c if it truly is our oil, we don't have to worry about all the speculators who are driving up the costs... bastards, lol...

lonewolfz28
07-28-2008, 01:25 AM
http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/saudigas.asp

losted125
07-28-2008, 02:29 AM
well i gues i use american gas haha ive been running sunoco in all my cars for ever wooo

mtbker32
07-28-2008, 06:25 AM
Yeah thanks for the information...... I never knew that.

68Rustang
07-28-2008, 06:48 AM
Unfortunately the reason global pricing per barrel of oil (which is set on the global free market and has nothing to do with price gouging by the suppliers) is so high is that demand (including the demand by those buying oil futures) is outstripping supply.

Not arguing the great demand out there right now. But the elephant in the room that nobody seems to want to mention is the weak dollar and it's influence on the price of our gasoline.

p71
07-28-2008, 07:19 AM
Not arguing the great demand out there right now. But the elephant in the room that nobody seems to want to mention is the weak dollar and it's influence on the price of our gasoline.

It does not matter if the dollar is weak. Oil is up against the pound the euro and the South African Rand...

The dollar is weak because we are "printing" too many of them and not making anything to back them up... this is an entirely different issue, although it makes the oil pricing problem look even worse on paper.

racerns
07-28-2008, 07:52 AM
http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/saudigas.asp

:iagree:

This BS has been floating around the internet for years.

68Rustang
07-28-2008, 07:58 AM
It does not matter if the dollar is weak. Oil is up against the pound the euro and the South African Rand.

When it is put up against other currencies is exactly when it matters. A dollar buys less than a euro right now so you need more of them to buy the same amount of stuff as our european counterparts. The dollar certainly isn't the only reason prices are what they are. But I would argue that it is making a bad situation worse for the US consumer.

4gasem
07-28-2008, 08:02 AM
This must be old as 7/11 stopped buying their oil from Citgo over a year ago... :)

I thought Amoco and BP were the same thing now???!!!

hahaha... Just read the snopes details... I was right...

chiefpontiac
07-28-2008, 08:34 AM
Even without refinery capacity here in our country (one reason why imported gas is more expensive than it needs to be - final product is more expensive to ship than unrefined + refining) imp[orted gasoline from the m.e. is less expensive than what comes from our own backyard. The actual cost of getting crude out of teh ground is around $20/bbl. which justifies $28/bbl value - teh extra $100 is in big part due to the spec market. If only the gas companies could buy and sell there would be a much smaller and less influential futures market. But instead everyone's retirement funds probably now have such big stake in the value of crude that any reduction to real value would devastate a generation.

p71
07-28-2008, 09:03 AM
I have a pension fund.

D-Rock114
07-28-2008, 12:00 PM
does anybody know where costco gas comes from?

r.penguin@comcast.net
07-28-2008, 01:22 PM
I knew better than to post that! Why do I do stupid stuff like that? Consider this thread dead Fred. :p

XxXSlaynXxX
07-28-2008, 03:50 PM
http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/saudigas.asp

Beat me to it. I dont believe any chain letters I get theyre mostly made up.