V8 model-3995lbs


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V8 model-3995lbs


jeebus :eek2:

It's gonna be like a vault... think AMG, BMW M, etc.... lots of power and lots of weight :)

Can you name any comparable RWD sedan sold in America today that has at least equal interior room or power to Holden's VE/WM range, and is lighter?

I bet you can't

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Hopefully it's loaded with options like sunroof and heated seats at that weight. Then I can justify the weight gain, if thats the base weight for the V8 it's going to suck.

Still less then a Charger. :D

Hopefully it's loaded with options like sunroof and heated seats at that weight. Then I can justify the weight gain, if thats the base weight for the V8 it's going to suck.

True that.

Fine with me I'm a fatass....

bet it could go around corners better than the goat

I think an extra 260lbs isn't too bad considering there's two more doors than the GTO, plus better leg room in the back. The big question I have(and haven't seen asked here yet, unless I'm blind) is how is the trunk space. Is it going to be the same set-up as the GTO where the gas tank takes up half the real estate back there, or is the tank in a better place? Maybe under the rear seats.

If i can recall it is under the rear seats.

I'm sure holden said when they released the VE the tank was moved to in front of the rear axle to pass us crash regs.. The VE boot is huge..

we gotta take out the trailer hitch! lmfao

we gotta take out the trailer hitch! lmfao

Hahahaha! Don't forget about the skid plate. But seriously, I can't wait to see what the weight fanatics strip out of this car.

I think an extra 260lbs isn't too bad considering there's two more doors than the GTO, plus better leg room in the back. The big question I have(and haven't seen asked here yet, unless I'm blind) is how is the trunk space. Is it going to be the same set-up as the GTO where the gas tank takes up half the real estate back there, or is the tank in a better place? Maybe under the rear seats.
VE V8 Commodore weighs less than Chrysler 300C or BMW 7-Series SWB etc. Yes the petrol tank is now much better positioned, allowing a boot capacity of 496 litres

The Holden's boot is also damned good, a practical straight-sided space, and its new parallelogram bootlid hinges don't intrude at all into the cargo compartment, meaning every inch is usable

Well, I know you said comparable, and new versus new they're not because of the price difference...

But used (yeah, I know, can of worms)... CTS-V is...what...3700lbs?

Just conversing.

we gotta take out the trailer hitch! lmfao

:D lol, funny guy

Pontiac G8
Length, in. 192.6
Width, in. 74.7
Height, in. 58.1
Wheelbase, in. 114.7
Curb Weight, lbs. 3,975

BMW 550i
Length: 191.1 in.
Width: 72.7 in.
Height: 57.8 in.
Wheel Base: 113.7 in.
Curb Weight: 3803 lbs.

The weight and power is right for it's size. Chrysler's HEMI trio is even heavier.

The reason it is so heavy is for safety as they are using premium steel to protect the passengers. Holden said they were after BMW-like quality with the VE, I think many of you will find the car to be amazing on the road, even better than the GTO!

I'd bet the crash test results on this car. I know the GTO was never tested here, but from what I've seen, they are built pretty well. This is probably even better.

The reason it is so heavy is for safety as they are using premium steel to protect the passengers. Holden said they were after BMW-like quality with the VE, I think many of you will find the car to be amazing on the road, even better than the GTO!


It costs half as much and made out of steel. With a the BMW you pay $60k and it weighs a little less because some of that money is going to lighter materials like aluminum, magnesium, etc.

Well, I know you said comparable, and new versus new they're not because of the price difference...

But used (yeah, I know, can of worms)... CTS-V is...what...3700lbs?

Just conversing.
Conversing is cool :)

I'm not overly familiar with CTS but from what I understand it is a smaller car with a correspondingly smaller interior than Holden VE Commodore, hence not an equal comparison

A lot of people seem to be equating the SWB version of VE (Commodore aka Pontiac G8) with BMW 5-Series dimensions, but the Holden is notably more spacious inside. As far as interior room goes, the SWB versions of BMW 7-Series and M-Benz S-Class would be a more realistic comparitor to VE SWB (Commodore/Pontiac)

At least it will feel like a substantial vehicle. Not a piece of plastic that weighs 4000 lbs.

I didnt realize this thing is bigger than a cts-v.......it sure doesnt look that big, which is good

Hopefully it's loaded with options like sunroof and heated seats at that weight. Then I can justify the weight gain, if thats the base weight for the V8 it's going to suck.

Oh it's loaded alright. Loaded with weight. :p Nah, I don't think it is too awfly heavy. Besides that's easily overcome with engine mods.

Oh it's loaded alright. Loaded with weight. :p Nah, I don't think it is too awfly heavy. Besides that's easily overcome with engine mods.

Yeah, but DB is gonna go on a binge diet.

Yeah, but DB is gonna go on a binge diet.

I need to, I bring enough extra weight to the car without it starting at 2tons already :D
:D

pull out the spare wheel, and mysfer needs to start on some seat delete kits!

I need to, I bring enough extra weight to the car without it starting at 2tons already :D
:D
Bwahahahaha.
pull out the spare wheel, and mysfer needs to start on some seat delete kits!
At least we should have the option for a full size spare. I hate donuts.

how big is trunk space? meh it won't matter, accessable back seat

how big is trunk space? meh it won't matter, accessable back seat

Aussies are telling us it's Mob Boss big. Hide several ex-girlfriends in there. :D

time for that thread... lol

It's still lighter than a GT500.

It's still lighter than a GT500.

I forgot all about those. That will be fun to see these 2 drag race. Because there are gonna be enthusiasts that believe in modding each one.

I forgot all about those. That will be fun to see these 2 drag race. Because there are gonna be enthusiasts that believe in modding each one.
Well the GT500 is the faster car in a straight line but the G8 will be much better in every other aspect.

Well the GT500 is the faster car in a straight line but the G8 will be much better in every other aspect.

Ford fans are trying to tell me that the Shelby is as good in the corners as it is in a straight line. But, until I see one of those fat bastards on an autocross track or a good twisty road, I won't believe it.

Ford fans are trying to tell me that the Shelby is as good in the corners as it is in a straight line. But, until I see one of those fat bastards on an autocross track or a good twisty road, I won't believe it.
I've seen videos of it and reviews by a couple of Euro TV shows. It handles like crap.

Most people will not be tracking these cars. Weight=nice ride

MB/BMW have always been overweight but offered great a great ride, especially on the highway....worked for them

Most people will not be tracking these cars. Weight=nice ride

MB/BMW have always been overweight but offered great a great ride, especially on the highway....worked for them

+1. The G8 will be my daily driver that will be tweakable... I won't be planning on taking it to a track day or drag strip ever.

I dunno I wouldnt beat on it at the track but I will def take it there. Not nearly as much as the goat though. This way I can turn the goat into a more track oriented car and not worry as much about if carrying the family around

Weight loss will be my first goal... I imagine there is a ton of pork that could be removed without any ill effects.

Maybe the G8 GXP (or GTP/SS/FTW or whatever they call it) will have the magnesium cradle from the Z06. Come to think of it...why bother with an LS2, why not just skip to the LS7?

Ford fans are trying to tell me that the Shelby is as good in the corners as it is in a straight line.

Not with a solid rear.

But, until I see one of those fat bastards on an autocross track or a good twisty road, I won't believe it.

You and me both.

Most people will not be tracking these cars. Weight=nice ride
Ding ding ding! I've got a track car for the track.

4000 lbs might be expected when you have to design for service on roads that arent really roads....

http://home.nycap.rr.com/goatboy/holden_dirt.JPG

It looks like a fairly open engine bay. My prediction is that this car takes over as the Impala SS of the 2010's and guys mod the crud out of their family cars and take em to the track every weekend. Crap, I got one of those already with my TBSS. Did you guy notice 6L80?????? I am so buying one and modding the crap out of it. The good news is that they out to be really good with CNC programs for the L92 heads and some aftermarket will make a L76 intake by then. These cars should be sick

I remember wanting one of those LT1 Impalas when they first came out. And to see how crazy some people have modded those cars, it makes you think about the future of these cars.

4000 lbs might be expected when you have to design for service on roads that arent really roads....

http://home.nycap.rr.com/goatboy/holden_dirt.JPG

Ok is there anyone in the car on the left. :drink: :sneaky:

OK, name a mid-size sedan V8 with all the current safety features that weighs less than 4000 lbs.

I'm not so much defending the G8's mass, but you guys have to be realistic about this. You also probably want the vehicle to be affordable, don't you? That means not much in the way of lightweight metals can be used.

I dunno I wouldnt beat on it at the track but I will def take it there. Not nearly as much as the goat though. This way I can turn the goat into a more track oriented car and not worry as much about if carrying the family around

Absolutely :thumbsup:

I see this same comment about the g8 all over the place. Every forum puts in its two cents about its weight. There is no factual basis for this. To think the car would be lightest in the class is a joke (lighter materials are very expensive).... but it is def not the heaviest.

Whats funny is the same comments were made about the GTO yet noone could find a large true 4 seat v8 couple that weighed less.

I have repeatedly posted the weights of common v8 sports sedan. Nobody seems to be able to say anything in return.

e550 3885
550i 3815
A6 4.2 4145
GS430 3745
m45 3948
RL 4012
300c 4046
Crown vic 4057
Charger RT 4031
STS 4006

At 39XXlbs the g8 is average for its class.

Slightly off topic, but what does that mean for the Zeta based camaro? Is a >>35XX camaro going to be able to compete with a 35XX mustang V8 coupe?

I had the chance the take a 6.0 litre SS for a test drive a few months ago, and stepping out of an LS1 VY sedan into the VE showed up some pleasing changes. Allowing for the extra cubes, the VE felt noticeably more powerful and responsive in a straight line as well as through corners. What got my attention was the markedly improved ride and handling over the old model. It sat flatter through corners and handled far better than any other RWD Holden I have driven. In response to another post, there are space saving spare wheels available for those who would dare dare drive one of these after a flat. The VE is a better car, no doubt about it.........and it benefits from the latest technology that Holden has access to. I can safely say that those who test drive a G8 an then go back and drive a GTO, will instantly notice the superior technology the G8 has to offer.

I had the chance the take a 6.0 litre SS for a test drive a few months ago, and stepping out of an LS1 VY sedan into the VE showed up some pleasing changes. Allowing for the extra cubes, the VE felt noticeably more powerful and responsive in a straight line as well as through corners. What got my attention was the markedly improved ride and handling over the old model. It sat flatter through corners and handled far better than any other RWD Holden I have driven. In response to another post, there are space saving spare wheels available for those who would dare dare drive one of these after a flat. The VE is a better car, no doubt about it.........and it benefits from the latest technology that Holden has access to. I can safely say that those who test drive a G8 an then go back and drive a GTO, will instantly notice the superior technology the G8 has to offer.
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hehh

Weight loss will be my first goal... I imagine there is a ton of pork that could be removed without any ill effects.

IF, I got a G8 I too would cut the fat as much as possible. I bet, within financial reason…you could get 100-200 pounds off the car. Start at the rims, pullies, and flywheel and work your way out to the trunk, hood, and maybe the battery.

If you cut first then add some HP (not huge HP) it would make a big difference especially if you work some weight of the rotational mass of the G8.

I love light weight for sports cars, it just makes sense, but like someone else said we have to stay reasonable considering we want it to be affordable. My RX8 comes in slightly under 3000 pounds and I can attest to the fact that low weight is the best way to go. But, that’s a 2+2 sports car verses a 4 door big family sadan so it’s understandable.

I would take a 3900lb 400hp car over a 3500lb 3000 horsepower car any day of the week.

THIS, I don’t understand….trying, but I have no idea why you would think that adding 400 pounds and losing 2600 HP would be a better option. I know your being a bit sarcastic, but saying that lower weight in a car is worse just does not make sense to me. Maybe I misunderstood....?

No offense now, but I just don’t understand that reasoning????

If you want a lightweight V8 sedan the size of a G8, you'd better be buying at another store, not Pontiac.

There are no easy, cheap ways to get weight out and retain the vehicle performance, noise, comfort and safety attributes. If it were so easy, the manufacturers would do it themselves. You think their engineers don't understand the effect of increased mass on vehicle dynamics? Think again.

Anyone who has attempted vehicle mass reduction has found it very expensive to do so, as it involves exotic materials substitution or deleting features. Just sit down and figure out how to take 300-400 pounds out of your car, then add up the tab to do so. Much easier to just add HP via forced induction, for instance, to improve the power/weight ratio.

^I know...I know, that's why my aim would be modest 100-200 pounds, 100 should be pretty easy.

I know it aint cheap...and actually while I love light weight, I'm defending the G8's mass because of all that it comes with.

Unless you concentrated the mass reduction in one area, like taking 150# out of the engine, if that were possible, you wouldn't even notice the 100-200# reduction in a 4000# car.

Don't get me wrong - I believe in mass reduction. I did a project motorcycle where I removed 48# from a bike that originally weighed 444#, but it cost me the price of the bike again to do it! And it would be no different with a car, except, if anything, even more difficult.

The reason why the G8 is so heavy is due to the costs of light weight materials.

Do you honestly Holden wants its cars to be so heavy? No.

They do just to keep the costs down.

menace,

Volume car makers use less expensive materials (like steel) to keep the cost/price affordable, not because they want their cars to be heavy. Its just that keeping weight out is very difficult when buyers want every comfort/convenience/performance/safety device in their cars.

The Audis/Cadillacs/BMWs/Mercedes/Lexi can afford the aluminum and other low-mass substitutes, where the G8 (and Charger/300) cannot. Why do you think the Charger/300 cars weigh so much?

The reason why the G8 is so heavy is due to the costs of light weight materials.

Do you honestly Holden wants its cars to be so heavy? No.

They do just to keep the costs down.

And the mandated equipment that the authorities want!

Mike

Let us not forget that all the sound deading materials, navigations systems, 1giga watt /100 speaker sound systems, power seating, windows, sunroofs, ABS, etc... ALL add up to the weight.

And realistically, why is everyone so concerned? It's on target for cars it's size. 365 HP sound more than move this car in a very quick fashion. The independent suspension with a decent size tire should give it more grip than your average sedean. So I am at a loss for all the complaints on the weight.

The only downside to weight is brake wear and tires...

The only downside to weight is brake wear and tires...

Well, your'e "not going to something for nothing!!"

Mike

If you look at the as tested weight of the BMW 335 in this months R&T of 3800lbs and the Murciélago LP640 weight of 4160lbs the G8's 4000lbs doesn't seem so bad considering the car is so much bigger than the 3 and costs less.

Well, your'e "not going to something for nothing!!"

Mike

Like i said the only downside

More weight never helps vehicle dynamics, but we have to put the G8 weight in context, to be fair.

Not only is the smaller BMW 335i sedan almost as heavy as the G8 V8, but most every V8 sedan of similar size/power is around 4000#. It takes that much mass to control the power, offer the safety and provide the features that today's buyers demand.

Check out the weights of the Mercedes E550, BMW 545i, Audi S4, Infiniti M45, Jag S-type V8 and any other high-performance sedan and you'll see the G8 is right on average.

Murciélago LP640 weight of 4160lbs

:huh: What are you paying for then???? I never knew it was that heavy.

More weight never helps vehicle dynamics, but we have to put the G8 weight in context, to be fair.

Not only is the smaller BMW 335i sedan almost as heavy as the G8 V8, but most every V8 sedan of similar size/power is around 4000#. It takes that much mass to control the power, offer the safety and provide the features that today's buyers demand.

Check out the weights of the Mercedes E550, BMW 545i, Audi S4, Infiniti M45, Jag S-type V8 and any other high-performance sedan and you'll see the G8 is right on average.

When I think of a fast heavy car, I think of the Bentley Continental GT.

5,300 pounds!!!

In the Murcielago LP640 you are paying for:

1. 640 HP
2. AWD
3. That sexy Italian design
4. Rarity

More weight never helps vehicle dynamics, but we have to put the G8 weight in context, to be fair.

Not only is the smaller BMW 335i sedan almost as heavy as the G8 V8, but most every V8 sedan of similar size/power is around 4000#. It takes that much mass to control the power, offer the safety and provide the features that today's buyers demand.

Check out the weights of the Mercedes E550, BMW 545i, Audi S4, Infiniti M45, Jag S-type V8 and any other high-performance sedan and you'll see the G8 is right on average.
e550 3885
550i 3815
A6 4.2 4145
GS430 3745
m45 3948
RL 4012
300c 4046
Crown vic 4057
Charger RT 4031
STS 4006

If you look at the as tested weight of the BMW 335 in this months R&T of 3800lbs and the Murciélago LP640 weight of 4160lbs the G8's 4000lbs doesn't seem so bad considering the car is so much bigger than the 3 and costs less.

The weight to compare with the G8's published ( prelim. spec. ) weight is the curb weight.
Not the tested weight.
The R&T data panel shows that as 3635.
Against the 3995 for the G8 V8...
- Ray
Hoping to see the G8 "in person" at the Atlanta Show on Saturday....

The weight to compare with the G8's published ( prelim. spec. ) weight is the curb weight.
Not the tested weight.
The R&T data panel shows that as 3635.
Against the 3995 for the G8 V8...
- Ray
Hoping to see the G8 "in person" at the Atlanta Show on Saturday....

We don't know what the G8's as tested weight will be. But if you want an accurate figure then tested weight is what you want to compare because manufacturers list weights differently, some will list the car dry(meaning no fluids like gas, oil, coolant, washer and etc.) that makes a huge difference in weight, especially if the cars being compared require different quantities of fluids.

We don't know what the G8's as tested weight will be. But if you want an accurate figure then tested weight is what you want to compare because manufacturers list weights differently, some will list the car dry(meaning no fluids like gas, oil, coolant, washer and etc.) that makes a huge difference in weight, especially if the cars being compared require different quantities of fluids.

While clearly we do not know the Tested Weight for any future test by any publication, yet – we do not need to.

Within the automotive industry, curb weight is well established and agreed upon – largely for such specification comparison purposes. For example, from Ford:

“Curb Weight
The weight of a vehicle with standard equipment, oil, lubricants, coolant and a full tank of fuel. Note: This definition may differ from definitions used by governmental regulatory agencies.”

Thus,
Curb weight for the 335i Sedan = 3635.
And the G8 V8 is 3995.
And the difference ( assuming identical loading of people & any timing equipment, etc. ) will always be the same:
3995 – 3635 = 360.

Is there going to be any major differences between the G8 and the SS-V Commodore that will affect weight? The SS-V weighs 3980 lbs wet, could the G8 really be that different since the car was built around a global release from the beginning?

I've seen it stated on chevroletarabia.com that the car weighs in at 3700lbs ? (Pontiac G8 = Lumina SS)

The only downside to weight is brake wear and tires...

and decreased fuel economy, acceleration, braking, handeling, etc.

the g8 isnt really that horrible i think. i may do some weight reduction but probably wont.

about the lumina ss weighing less, this may very well and probably is based on the fact that they have different safety and emisions.
plus i did a little research it says the lumina coupe ss (GTO) with LS1 weighs 3546 lbs, as opposed to 3725 in the LS1 GTO

I didnt realize this thing is bigger than a cts-v.......it sure doesnt look that big, which is good

yeah, its bigger, but not by much and still quite a bit away from the charger... very good indeed

CTS-V specs
overall length (inches): 191.5
overall width (inches): 70.6
overall height (inches): 57.3
wheelbase (inches): 113.4
front track (inches): 61.1
rear track (inches): 61.4
curb to curb turning circle (feet): 35.5

G8 specs
Overall length 196.1 inches
overall width 74.8 inches
overall height 57.7 inches
wheelbase 114.8-inch
front track 62.7 inches
rear track 63.3 inches
curb to curb turning circle 37.4 inches

:gears:

yeah, its bigger, but not by much and still quite a bit away from the charger... very good indeed

CTS-V specs
overall length (inches): 191.5
overall width (inches): 70.6
overall height (inches): 57.3
wheelbase (inches): 113.4
front track (inches): 61.1
rear track (inches): 61.4
curb to curb turning circle (feet): 35.5

G8 specs
Overall length 196.1 inches
overall width 74.8 inches
overall height 57.7 inches
wheelbase 114.8-inch
front track 62.7 inches
rear track 63.3 inches
curb to curb turning circle 37.4 inches

:gears:

Not to mention the price differential between the G8 and the CTS-V

Not to mention the price differential between the G8 and the CTS-V

Which we are hoping will be significant.....

I'm hoping for a significant price difference (in our favor) between the G8 and the vanilla CTS (V6 average MSRP 33k)

Since I'm a lazy git I will ask the question here...

Does anyone know the weight difference between the 18's and the 19" wheels??? I am more into less unsprung weight than looks...

They should be a good 3-4 pounds heavier but am looking for verification of that. Every 1 lb of unsprung weight equals the equivalent of 3-4lbs of sprung weight...:eek2:

Cheers

Hi guys greetings from OZ first post here and I can confirm the VE is FAT.
My car with me in it at raceweight is 4026 lbs. No spare, all cd's removed including service booklet aftermarket 20" rims and less than 1/4 tank of fuel. In stock trim with the 6l80e in it I managed a best pass of 13.4 @ 106 .

cheers

Either I missed it somewhere in here or it has not been discussed. What is the weight distribution ?

Either I missed it somewhere in here or it has not been discussed. What is the weight distribution ?
Close to 50/50.

Hi guys greetings from OZ first post here and I can confirm the VE is FAT.
My car with me in it at raceweight is 4026 lbs. No spare, all cd's removed including service booklet aftermarket 20" rims and less than 1/4 tank of fuel. In stock trim with the 6l80e in it I managed a best pass of 13.4 @ 106 .

cheers

But that's still over 300 pounds LESS than the new CTS-V. Sure 152% more hp, but some of that will be used up carting around teh equivalent of a passenger and a half. And I'll bet the CTS-V isn't balanced 50/50.

Makes me feel better about my fat GTO being a relative lightweight at an anorexic 3751 lbs curb. :D

I was wondering how close the overall outside dimensions were compared to a Lincoln LS. This is what I found.

Overall Length - 194.3
Wheel Base - 114.5
Width - 73.2
Height - 56.1
Weight - 3,682 - not sure if v8 or 6

Pretty close to G8.

I think an extra 260lbs isn't too bad considering there's two more doors than the GTO, plus better leg room in the back. The big question I have(and haven't seen asked here yet, unless I'm blind) is how is the trunk space. Is it going to be the same set-up as the GTO where the gas tank takes up half the real estate back there, or is the tank in a better place? Maybe under the rear seats.

I have checked every internal and external dimension of the G8 with my 97 GP GTP. While the car is about .1 inch shorter, every other dimension on the G8 is bigger, head room, leg room, hip room, fuel tank, trunk. Wheelbase is about 4" longer on the G8. Can't wait to get my new one.

I guess when people say the G8 is fat, it's all relative to what they are comparing to. I'm comparing to my '96 Impala SS that is substantially larger than the G8, and I'm eager to see if I can fit in the G8. I am very comfortable in the Impala SS, and pleasantly snug in my '04 GTO (that I'm considering trading for to get the GXP). To me, the G8 is smaller and lighter.

I guess it's all perspective.

I guess when people say the G8 is fat, it's all relative to what they are comparing to. I'm comparing to my '96 Impala SS that is substantially larger than the G8, and I'm eager to see if I can fit in the G8. I am very comfortable in the Impala SS, and pleasantly snug in my '04 GTO (that I'm considering trading for to get the GXP). To me, the G8 is smaller and lighter.

I guess it's all perspective.

What size person are you? If you are comfortable in a GTO, don't think the G8 will be a problem. With a an adjustable steering column, both height and length, and height adjustable seats:angel: you should be able to find a comfy driving position!

I guess when people say the G8 is fat, it's all relative to what they are comparing to. I'm comparing to my '96 Impala SS that is substantially larger than the G8, and I'm eager to see if I can fit in the G8. I am very comfortable in the Impala SS, and pleasantly snug in my '04 GTO (that I'm considering trading for to get the GXP). To me, the G8 is smaller and lighter.

I guess it's all perspective.

I am 6'2" and have a Trailblazer SS. For me, the TBSS is awful as far as room goes. Coming from a full size Chevy truck to the TBSS, I was extremely disappointed in most every way. Besides being cramped elbow-wise and head-room wise (I had to order one without a sunroof to fit), I have also developed a chronic condition in my right knee as a result of the seat not being properly aligned with the pedals. There is more but I will simply stop there.

Right now I am pretty excited about seeing what the G8 has to offer. I'm planning on having enough room for me and my friends (one is an ex-water polo player, 6'5" and 280) fore and aft and having everyone be comfortable. I've sat in a lot of cars over the past 6 months and walked away disappointed about the lack of interior room in most every one. I have a feeling this is going to be a different experience. Plus the G8 weighs half a ton less than my TBSS, with about the same power. :)

G8 is 2+ inches wider across the backseat than a CTS. Reportedly, better rear seat room than a Charger or 300c.
Big boot, GTO boot was a joke forced by adaopting a car that was never supposed to go to the US, to the US. G8 was designed with the US rule book in hand, therefore you can have both a petrol tank and a boot.

I am 6'2" and have a Trailblazer SS. For me, the TBSS is awful as far as room goes. Coming from a full size Chevy truck to the TBSS, I was extremely disappointed in most every way. Besides being cramped elbow-wise and head-room wise (I had to order one without a sunroof to fit), I have also developed a chronic condition in my right knee as a result of the seat not being properly aligned with the pedals. There is more but I will simply stop there.

Right now I am pretty excited about seeing what the G8 has to offer. I'm planning on having enough room for me and my friends (one is an ex-water polo player, 6'5" and 280) fore and aft and having everyone be comfortable. I've sat in a lot of cars over the past 6 months and walked away disappointed about the lack of interior room in most every one. I have a feeling this is going to be a different experience. Plus the G8 weighs half a ton less than my TBSS, with about the same power. :)

Well I think the Holden Wagon is the right fit for this guy to bad they arent going to be in the US maybe chevy will bring em in but I Doubt it man .. The Dodge magnum was a bust.....I was going to get the SS this spring until I saw the BEAST G8GT Thank god i wasnt stuck with that LS2 5 speed POS . Youtube has a few 9 second TBSS by:
http://www.ryansperformance.com/

thats like a 37k truck with 20 k upgrades same suspension though fully stock interior sun roof etc

The TBSS is a 4-speed, which is fine for 1970, but in 2000+ it is pathetic.

What size person are you? If you are comfortable in a GTO, don't think the G8 will be a problem. With a an adjustable steering column, both height and length, and height adjustable seats:angel: you should be able to find a comfy driving position!

Since the GTO has all of the mentioned comfort equipment, I'd bet he will be very pleased with the G8.

The weight to compare with the G8's published ( prelim. spec. ) weight is the curb weight.
Not the tested weight.
The R&T data panel shows that as 3635.
Against the 3995 for the G8 V8...
- Ray
Hoping to see the G8 "in person" at the Atlanta Show on Saturday....

I thought the Atlanta car show is in April?

I thought the Atlanta car show is in April?

"Hoping to see the G8 "in person" at the Atlanta Show on Saturday...."

I was referring to he first Saturday of that Show.
In April, correct.
- Ray
Occasionally unclear.... ( sigh )

Car and Driver weighed the G8 they recieved for their road test - 4,100lbs.

Car and Driver weighed the G8 they recieved for their road test - 4,100lbs.

Pretty sure they mentioned they had it loaded up with fuel and two passengers at that weight?:gears:

What size person are you? If you are comfortable in a GTO, don't think the G8 will be a problem. With a an adjustable steering column, both height and length, and height adjustable seats:angel: you should be able to find a comfy driving position!

6'2" 400lbs. :popcorn2: The GTO with steering wheel all the way up and out would just almost touch my legs, and that is with seat all the way back and down. I'm hoping the G8 doesn't have redesigned wheel angle, or less telescope or height.

When I autocross my SS, I have no problem shuffle steering at the "8 and 4" position. GTO doesn't have room pass hands down there, so I gotta change hand positions. :driving:

No matter what, I'm sure the extra couple inches of hip room compared to a CTS-V will be a nice welcome, just don't know about the headroom with helmet. Oh well, that's why I still have my Impala SS. :)

6'2" 400lbs. :popcorn2: The GTO with steering wheel all the way up and out would just almost touch my legs, and that is with seat all the way back and down. I'm hoping the G8 doesn't have redesigned wheel angle, or less telescope or height.

When I autocross my SS, I have no problem shuffle steering at the "8 and 4" position. GTO doesn't have room pass hands down there, so I gotta change hand positions. :driving:

No matter what, I'm sure the extra couple inches of hip room compared to a CTS-V will be a nice welcome, just don't know about the headroom with helmet. Oh well, that's why I still have my Impala SS. :)
I'm a hair over 6'3" 245lbs and drive a Bonnie GXP that has front legroom nearly identical to the G8. Only problem I have is the center stack being so wide my right knee rests against it sometimes. My son is 6'4" 365lbs and had an Olds Aurora, same legroom as my car, and loved it. Had no problems. Unfortunately he totaled it into the back of a medicab and now drives a Colorado. Kids and their toys!:boink:

wow! you guys are big.

wow! you guys are big.

Can't speak for all here, but for me, used to be over 6'4" but shrunk with age ( and got fat) as we all do. Compression of the spinal column with age as the discs wear and flatten........anyway the son just has the genes,.... and could stand to loose a good deal of weight.:oldfogey:

wow! you guys are big.

tell me about it

im 6 foot and 180 lbs, hey at least my car will be faster:drink:

(a joke)

tell me about it

im 6 foot and 180 lbs, hey at least my car will be faster:drink:

(a joke)

me 2:iagree:

[QUOTE=Mr. Sandog;14504]I am 6'2" and have a Trailblazer SS. For me, the TBSS is awful as far as room goes. Coming from a full size Chevy truck to the TBSS, I was extremely disappointed in most every way. Besides being cramped elbow-wise and head-room wise (I had to order one without a sunroof to fit), I have also developed a chronic condition in my right knee as a result of the seat not being properly aligned with the pedals. There is more but I will simply stop there.

I can understand how you would have issues in a Trailblazer. I am only 5'10", and with the sunroof my crewcut rubs the headliner in the driver's or passenger's seats. Taller folks have to sit in the back seats to have much head room, or recline the back of the seat uncomfortably.

Let me put some minds at ease with the G8. At the Chicago Auto Show 3 of my buddies and I all jumped into the G8 at the same time. Two of these guys are 6'5", and the other guy is my height and build (none of us are underfed). The two 6'5" guys couldn't sit on the same side of the car together (no quite enough room for comfort in the back), but with one of them sitting front or back, with one of us 5"10" guys in front of or behind them, there was space and comfort. This car has a very roomy interior, especially compared to my GTP (which also has a decent sized sedan interior).

Two of these guys are 6'5", and the other guy is my height and build (none of us are underfed).

Sounds like there are a few more of us that aren't underfed. :gr_jest: Needless to say, unless you are Andre the Giant or Shaq, this will be a very comfortable ride. So.....has anyone gotten theirs yet? :wall: