so we have in one corner the challengr ..the sales flop and perfornce buy of the decade a new 06GTO

its cammed headered, cai , sway bars hooked with new Nitto 555 allarond


the Champ..the pontiac flagship car the G8 also cammed , headered, no sways.

the go at it/.... cam specs are similar.......who wins and in what fashion...

both are 6 speed and both are driven by Evan Smith.

Whoever wins, grammar loses.

both are 6 speed and both are driven by Evan Smith.

At the same time?

Starting at a stock horsepower disadvantage I would lean to the GTO's favor - if you start with more hp (400 as opposed to 362)you'll end up with more hp. But balance means musch and I think the G8 is better balanced and regardless of driver will not "sit 'n spin" but will have better off the line and better handling through the curves. An interesting side by side would be an auto vs a manual with the stipulation that timewise the shift at same elapsed time. The auto will be in the next gear with just a flick of the wrist and hardly lift the throttle.

I would have to say the GTO, but the G8 will grab the better 60ft time.

The GTO might be a bit faster but with the G8 you have a better platform for modifications. The L76 has L92 heads, alot better suspension and more body rigidity then the GTO.

Plus, it aint that hard to knock off a few pounds off the G8 ;), mine weighed in at 3814 lb and thats with the spare tire and tools in the trunk.

Well ours will weigh 3995 with no spare in the trunk.

I wonder why there's a vast weight difference.. maybe it's because of the extra amenities?

The GTO would be the early favorite. Less weight is a big key. The LS2 & L76 are equal in displacement (6.0 Litres), so what ever speed parts work for the LS2 should work for the L76. That makes power similar. Plus, the G8 will allow for wider wheels & tires in the back for better traction on the drag strip.

Oh no, not Napper and is ridiculous e-racing threads again :(

how about g8gt vs charger srt8/srt8 300c :gr_devil:

both pigs
both big power

stock which is better?
modded who would win?
suspension come into play?

i would like to see what you guys "think" would happen if these two met!

FYI, the GTO wasn't a sales flop. Pontiac sold virtually everyone they screwed together. They had somewhere around a 94 - 95% sold to produced rate. That's a rate even some GM trucks don't have. The remaining 5 - 6 % were cars not sold, cars lost in transit, test mules, and publication testers. Taking those out, the sold to produced ratio goes up.

The GTO was a sales flop, if it was not then they would still be making it.

The GTO by the end of 2006 was not produced anymore due to the new generation Commodore being launched, which is the base for the next gen Monaro (GTO). Ever wonder why it was just a 3 year run?

the gto was not a sales flop, if it were they would not have bothered dragging it out and putting the ls2 in it. the gto brought great things here imho... much better build quality and feel than any ws6, ss or cobra could even think about being... solid engineering, sleek and smooth looks without all the sharp edges. it was a great car and by no means a sales flop. only problem i see with the goats is that you cant fit good size meat under the rear w/o rolling, and those half shafts could have been slightly stronger. all in all a great car, thats why so many people are interested in the g8, bc the great build quality, craftsmanship and power available at a decent price (we hope for ours and gms sake)

The GTO was a sales flop, if it was not then they would still be making it.

Jesus...here we go again. :damnyou:

The GTO was meant from the beginning to be a limited 3-4 year run. The car it was based on, the Holden Monaro, ceased production months before GTO production ended. Reason production ended on the VZ platform? To make way for the VE Commodore, which is what the G8 is based on. Currently Holden does not produce a 2 door hardtop RWD coupe. VZ production ceased about 2 months ago.

Some folks will just continue to hate on the GTO no matter what you say.

Some folks will just continue to hate on the GTO no matter what you say.

Haters.. they're just jealous :)

The GTO was a sales flop, if it was not then they would still be making it.

Funny, there was a contract struck between GM, the UAW, and Holden to build these cars for 3 (Three) model years, at a limit of 18,000 units per annum.

Three model years =

1 - 2004
2 - 2005
3 - 2006

After which time, the future of any domestic GTO would be based on the availability of a future Monaro. Since GM was bringing the GMX282 platform to market for the new Commodore, Lumina, G8, etc, in effect, retiring the GMX281 (which the Commodore, Lumina, Monaro/GTO were on) as of 2006, Holden decided to no longer make a 2 coupe version on the new 282 platform called the Monaro. Hence, no Holden Monaro, no Pontiac GTO!

Please get the facts straight before making absurd comments like "If it were successful, it'd still be built!"
You can't sell what Holden isn't building anymore, right?

from someone who have built them two cars point of view. g8 FTW!!! build quality is soo much better. gto was a nightmare. i would cry when i see one on the road.... well not really. but it was a pain in the ass

2007 Federal guidelines require new airbag restraint systems to be put into cars, and to redesign the GTO for one more model year would not be cost effective. The new guidelines meant that the whole dashboard and everything under it would have to be redesigned.. the GTO is the best performance coupe besides the Cobra(engine only) as far a quality, craftsmenship and reliability.. :)

from someone who have built them two cars point of view. g8 FTW!!! build quality is soo much better. gto was a nightmare. i would cry when i see one on the road.... well not really. but it was a pain in the ass

Ummm, yea.... :nuts:

from someone who have built them two cars point of view. g8 FTW!!! build quality is soo much better. gto was a nightmare. i would cry when i see one on the road.... well not really. but it was a pain in the ass

Guess we can agree to disagree.

The GTO was one hell of a car.

I have never seen a G8, so I can't comment.

from someone who have built them two cars point of view. g8 FTW!!! build quality is soo much better. gto was a nightmare. i would cry when i see one on the road.... well not really. but it was a pain in the ass

? This is prolly one of the best built Pontiacs that I have ever owned.

2007 Federal guidelines require new airbag restraint systems to be put into cars, and to redesign the GTO for one more model year would not be cost effective. The new guidelines meant that the whole dashboard and everything under it would have to be redesigned.. the GTO is the best performance coupe besides the Cobra(engine only) as far a quality, craftsmenship and reliability.. :)

One of the reasons that the GTO was never able to be sold in Canada, I believe.

BTW, there STILL are new unsold 2006 GTOs available for retail sale. Incentives ought to be pretty darned good about now. Shoot, they might even pay you to take one. (anyone want blue I'll hook you up with my dealer)

Not a Hater, but I had nothing but problems with my 05 Goat. Had it for right at a year and only put about 1400 miles on it cuz it had every problem under the sun. Other than that I loved it. I am really going to love the G8, cuz even Pontiac can't be stupid enuff to build 2 turds in one decade.

I have a Buddy that works at Pontiac and he just got back from Aussie land and 2 weeks of training on the G8 which they didn't do for the Goat and he said the 8 is by far a way better car in every aspect. Yehaw I can't wait.

yea the g8 will most likely be a better car, they have a few years to improve some things. usually thats typical that you find a better car later down the road. i heard alot of good things about the goats, only thing i ever experienced was a problem with the paint (under the clear) that no matter what i did, could never fix without having it completely wet sanded and such... even then, not sure if it would have fixed it. gto was a good or even great car in my book, im sure the g8 will be the same. thank you holden for bringing us cars that we enjoy and can be proud of!

chrish

thank you holden for bringing us cars that we enjoy and can be proud of!

chrish

Hell, I never even heard of Holden until I bought my goat. I would not even think twice about buying another Holden product.

I also never heard of a Holden until the goat was re-released. Although I never owned one, I heard they were good cars. I think the G8 will make us proud.

Hell, I never even heard of Holden until I bought my goat. I would not even think twice about buying another Holden product.

Even though I've heard of them, I've never paid attention until GTO came out.
And in 2008 they should have 3 cars in the US which are also sold in Australia as Holden.
2008 Saturn Vue = Holden Captiva MaXX
2008 Saturn Astra = Holden Astra
2008 Pontiac G8 = Holden Commodore

Even though I've heard of them, I've never paid attention until GTO came out.
And in 2008 they should have 3 cars in the US which are also sold in Australia as Holden.
2008 Saturn Vue = Holden Captiva MaXX
2008 Saturn Astra = Holden Astra
2008 Pontiac G8 = Holden Commodore

I believe the Vue was an Opel in Europe... All three you mentioned are great cars...:iagree: GM has SOOOO many brand names that it isn't even funny. I am glad we (U.S.) are seeing some of them...

I knew about holden and constantly complained why we didn't get any RWD V8 cars here... then came the GTO - and now the G8. Complaining stopped:)

Whoever wins, grammar loses.
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GTO should win handily, a coupe should just be lighter than a sedan I say, and the G8 has less power and torque. As far as mod ability goes, the G8 has more potential as it already has the L76 intake and L92 heads, which most people are placing on their LS2s anyway.

Oh no, not Napper and is ridiculous e-racing threads again :(

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LOL! :D