: G8 GT vs Mod'd GTO
GTXgp 08-07-2008, 10:28 PM G8 GT:
Intake, Tune, Cat-Back
GTO:
CAMMED, 3k Stall, intake, LT headers, exhaust, tuned.
The results? :driving:
0 to 115mph:
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n184/flavortext03/8-6%20Lewisville%20Meet/th_MeandAdam.jpg (http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n184/flavortext03/8-6%20Lewisville%20Meet/?action=view¤t=MeandAdam.flv)
I'm really anxious to see what this setup will run at the track, so far my results have been impressive to say the least for how little I have done.
Adam
GTXgp 08-07-2008, 10:31 PM 2nd run (end of the vid) he got the jump on me, but as you can see.... I pulled him back in :)
Stingpac 08-08-2008, 02:08 AM That clip was TIGHT ! ... Congrats on the runs ... I get my catback in a month or so .. I'll be right there witcha !
I wonder how a race would go with a Stock 6.0L GTO ...
Your thoughts ??? ...
p.s. Post That One On YouTube as well ! .. .Including the list of mods both of you have ...
09PBMGT 08-08-2008, 02:40 AM Well done sir... well done!
G8 Ray 08-08-2008, 05:37 AM Nice runs!
Rican219 08-08-2008, 06:09 AM Niiiice!
Mike P 08-08-2008, 06:38 AM G8 GT:
Intake, Tune, Cat-Back
GTO:
CAMMED, 3k Stall, intake, LT headers, exhaust, tuned.
The results?
0 to 115mph:
Holy **** Man! Nice races! An '04 GTO cammed, torque converter, cai, headers, exhaust, tune!
Good freakin' job!
I'd like to see your track times too! :driving:
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GTXgp 08-08-2008, 07:12 AM Thanks guys :)
I wonder how a race would go with a Stock 6.0L GTO ...
Next week I might line up with another 05+ GTO with similar mods and see what the difference is. Personally, I think that the rear suspension is vastly superior on the G8 allowing us to hook and get out of the hole better (the 285 tires don't hurt either). However, even after he had traction, he wasn't exactly pulling on me either :wink2:
4gasem 08-08-2008, 07:50 AM Thanks guys :)
Next week I might line up with another 05+ GTO with similar mods and see what the difference is. Personally, I think that the rear suspension is vastly superior on the G8 allowing us to hook and get out of the hole better (the 285 tires don't hurt either). However, even after he had traction, he wasn't exactly pulling on me either :wink2:
Whilst they give you better traction, I imagine unless they're forged aluminum that they also weigh quite a bit more than stock units. So getting him on the dig was quite impressive!
Awesome runs M8!
I agree with above! Put it on Youtube.
HardEight 08-08-2008, 09:01 AM What intake tune and exhaust do you have? Good job on the run.
GTXgp 08-08-2008, 09:39 AM Rotofab, Magnaflow Cat-Back, custom dyno-tune
foreosu 08-08-2008, 09:43 AM What are your honest opinions on the Magnaflow system?
Did you get everything done all at once? Or did you do it piece by piece?
Just curious, if it was piece by piece, if you could tell a difference in power after each mod.
GTXgp 08-08-2008, 09:58 AM Did the intake/tune at the same time and the cat-back later... Both each one made a substantial difference.
I can tell a difference with the cat-back on the top-end for sure... on these runs it just kept pulling HARD past 100mph, where it seemed to fall on its face past the century-mark previously.
Boomer 08-08-2008, 10:02 AM nice kill! :)
triple r 08-08-2008, 01:17 PM Very nice kill. But with those mods on the goat, that has to be the worst performing gto ever!
roswald0511 08-08-2008, 01:40 PM Very nice kill. But with those mods on the goat, that has to be the worst performing gto ever!
X2
Send him to Jeff.
Atlas 08-08-2008, 01:46 PM Very nice kill. But with those mods on the goat, that has to be the worst performing gto ever!
there's a guy down here with a 500/500 to the wheels gto, and his car can barely get into the 12's... its and auto and multiple drivers have tried, its just a POS(not all GTO's are, but this one is)...
GMfan454. 08-08-2008, 01:48 PM Where are you guys running. I see you have Plano in your signature.I would love to come out and see the races. I work off of Legacy and the tollway. That must have been your Red G8 I saw on the service road of the tollway.
VB GOAT 08-08-2008, 01:56 PM Very nice kill. But with those mods on the goat, that has to be the worst performing gto ever!
X 3.... tell him to pull up the anchor:wink2:
LasT_ResorT_G8 08-08-2008, 03:19 PM X 4 or maybe it wasnt cammed at all
GTXgp 08-08-2008, 03:50 PM Where are you guys running. I see you have Plano in your signature.I would love to come out and see the races. I work off of Legacy and the tollway. That must have been your Red G8 I saw on the service road of the tollway.
Depends on when... I haven't been on the Tollway since last Sunday. These runs were in Lewisv...err...Mexico :wink2: I'll PM you once I know where our next get-together is :)
X 4 or maybe it wasnt cammed at all
This car is definitely cammed, I'm friends with the owner.
stickjohnsonaah 08-08-2008, 06:37 PM Thats impressive cosidering that goat is probably at or above 400rwhp. I think the suspension is the key factor in this situation. gto just has inferior suspension.
-dak- 08-08-2008, 10:04 PM Very nice kill. But with those mods on the goat, that has to be the worst performing gto ever!
Exactly what I was thinking. My cammed '04 GTO ran 12.4 and it was the slower 6-speed. Cam and headers on an '04 GTO = 380-410 rwhp depending on the grind. I can't imagine a tune, intake, and catback making that much improvement on the G8 GT.
triple r 08-09-2008, 12:48 AM Exactly what I was thinking. My cammed '04 GTO ran 12.4 and it was the slower 6-speed. Cam and headers on an '04 GTO = 380-410 rwhp depending on the grind. I can't imagine a tune, intake, and catback making that much improvement on the G8 GT.
Now that I think about it, this doesnt make sense at all. The G8 won, but if he really had all of those mods, the gto would have demolished him. It didnt even look like the gto load up the rpms. With a 3k stall i dont think he would lose on the launch. If he is really cammed, what are the specs?
I am not cammed and raced my friends G8 GT with the same mods and the exact opposite results. I am pretty sure a cammed ls1 gto would hand me my ass. So I really dont think hes cammed, might just be pulling your leg:drink:.
roswald0511 08-09-2008, 12:51 AM NOT CAMMED:iagree:
LasT_ResorT_G8 08-09-2008, 12:53 AM Yeah triple r kicks my a** lol.
GTXgp 08-09-2008, 12:03 PM Exactly what I was thinking. My cammed '04 GTO ran 12.4 and it was the slower 6-speed. Cam and headers on an '04 GTO = 380-410 rwhp depending on the grind. I can't imagine a tune, intake, and catback making that much improvement on the G8 GT.
Not sure why this is so unbelievable then.... there are G8s with my same combo that have pulled 12.7.
If he is really cammed, what are the specs?
TSP 224R
triple r 08-09-2008, 01:48 PM Its unbelievable because a cammed gto is making alot more power than you and weighs almost 200 pounds less. Thats just common sense. I cant see you dynoing more than 320 whp and a cammed ls1 should be around 400 whp. The way you pulled on him seem like he was almost stock.
Atlas 08-09-2008, 07:27 PM Its unbelievable because a cammed gto is making alot more power than you and weighs almost 200 pounds less. Thats just common sense. I cant see you dynoing more than 320 whp and a cammed ls1 should be around 400 whp. The way you pulled on him seem like he was almost stock.
thats not entirely correct... there are plenty of ls1 goats on ls1tech that have similar mods, are cammed, and make around 360 whp... and with the g8's mods, he's not far off that number... g8's go 290-310 stock, and with CAI, exhaust and a tune, he prob gained at least 40 whp, if not more...
Stingpac 08-09-2008, 09:00 PM He's probably making around 50-55rwhp more than stock ...
If that LS1 Goat was completely stock ... the race wouldn't even be close.
As mentioned above ... Two people on this forum have already achieved 12.7's with GTX's setup + The VMS Heat Soak Reduction Kit/Lower Panel Air Mod.
Not that far fetched...
8RRRRG 08-09-2008, 09:30 PM I have run a 06 GTO with exhaust and air intake and it was not a race. He lost by 5+ 2 times. From a roll it was close and then I would pull away.
Stingpac 08-10-2008, 12:45 PM You pulled on an '06 GTO like that ??? Very Impressive !
VB GOAT 08-10-2008, 08:06 PM My LS1 stock was 295 rwhp... after exhaust, intake and tune plus other minor mods i put down 345 rwhp 360 rwtq... cammed your looking 390+. Ls2 with those mods... 420+ easy. I can pull stock LS2's, but there is no chance in H#@% that i could pull a Cammed LS1 much less an LS2 thats cammed.
i think your buddy has been fibbin...
Atlas 08-10-2008, 08:11 PM ^go to LS1tech and look at all the ls1 goats with the same mods... there are plenty that are around 360 to the wheels... besides a 224 cam is a baby cam anyways...
bluegoat06 08-11-2008, 06:08 PM Here is an 04 GTO (M6) with a 224/224 cam
Modifications:
Custom CAI
Kook's 1 7/8" LT headers with catted mid-pipes
Custom 2.5" cat-back with MagnaFlow Mufflers and X pipe
Comp 224 Cam (kit with valvetrain)
BLUE "BEFORE" Dyno - Stock Tune (CAI, LT Headers, Custom cat-back)
RED "AFTER" Dyno - Custom Tune (CAI, LT Headers, Custom cat-back, Cam) Street Tune 91 Octane:
http://www.magnaflow.com/richard/GTO/04%20224%20cam%20only.jpg
bluegoat06 08-11-2008, 06:18 PM Anything can happen on the street, i don't believe that 04 goat is running right, but a kill is a kill, Enjoy :)
Btw, if you guys think because a couple of G8's are runnig 12.7 with a few mods, you have to know there are 04 Goats running 11.8@115mph in the Cam only class, not only that, but they have accomplished such times with "baby" cams like 212/220 or 222/226 grinds, so, yeah, something is definetely not right with this particular Goat.
Now, because i want to show both sides, cam only 04 GTO's are barely trapping at 108mph at our tracks by this time of the year (Milan,Norwalk), they do better, 110-112mph, with better air (Oct/Nov), but, the Stock G8's i've seen at Milan can't not even trap at 101mh. with all the mods as the OP i've seen 102mph, and that's with some ice in the intake. more food for thought :)
JTSnooks 08-23-2008, 07:26 PM Someone posted those videos over on LS1GTO.com, and they weren't well received there either. It's pretty obvious that the GTO is poorly driven and burns the tires off horribly on each run. However, the G8 held him off on the top end too, indicating that it's making serious power, and I'm sure having 2 extra gears in the transmission helps a lot too.
And you're right, the G8's rear suspension is worlds better than the GTO's, making it much easier to get off the line cleanly. The fact remains that the guy in the GTO doesn't know how to drive though. If you're friends with him, ask him to come on here and give us a recap so we can be clear about what was going on from his end.
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