We have a thread for springs and coilovers, but anyone know of a company making any aftermarket shocks/struts for the G8 yet. Stocks wont last as long on the aftermarket springs. I would really like a set of Koni yellows or bilstein shocks, have heard good things about both companies.

I'd buy Koni's before anything else, IMHO. I'll let you know what they say. Going to e-mail someone there right now.

--kC

I'd buy Koni's before anything else, IMHO. I'll let you know what they say. Going to e-mail someone there right now.

--kC

Thats how i feel too. Im pretty sure eibach will come out with some springs for the G8 so koni/eibach setup FTW!

Pedders will have struts available for the G8

Pedders will have struts available for the G8

I think there's another thread about the pedders, and that someone from down there isn't 'returning calls' when asked for additional info. I think this is the thread: http://www.g8board.com/forums/showthread.php?t=185

--kC

I'll put it right here what I'd be looking for in a replacement shock/strut for autocross competition.


Single adjustable:
External adjustable rebound. Compression set pretty stiff, and would need a re-valve to adjust. (Adjuster shouldn't adjust both rebount and compression) Preferable adjustment knob on top of shock away from ground. Why? Up here in the Northern climates, adjusters seize over time when they rust because of the the road salt used on the roads. Somehow, this should be avoided (if possible) to get full use over the shocks lifetime.

Or Double adjustable:
Same as single adjustable, but adjusts both compression and rebound separately.

Stock ride height. No lowering at all. The perch/seat must be exactly in the stock location. (It's a rules thing), along with stock mounting points and hardware.

Just some thoughts. ;)

OT but can you point me to where I can read more about suspensions and suspension setups?

As rob stated Yes PEDDERS Will have shocks and Struts For the G8....frank

or these...

http://forums.peddersusa.com/imagehosting/8474c8a3cbedb9.gif

http://forums.peddersusa.com/imagehosting/8474c8a3cc7e3e.gif

We should have inventory with complete systems for the cars when they arrive here in the USA February or March including bushes, coils, dampers, sways and endlinks.

As DEALERS we will have a Great System for the G8.....Frank

Aussies are using KYB's, Koni's and Bilstein shocks for their VE/G8's.

Allot of owners are using Eibach springs with these shocks...

But there is Tein Coilovers available as well.

or these...

http://forums.peddersusa.com/imagehosting/8474c8a3cbedb9.gif

http://forums.peddersusa.com/imagehosting/8474c8a3cc7e3e.gif

We should have inventory with complete systems for the cars when they arrive here in the USA February or March including bushes, coils, dampers, sways and endlinks.

LOOKING Good.....Frank

So who makes the Pedders coilovers?

So who makes the Pedders coilovers?

PEDDERS......Frank

I'd buy Koni's before anything else, IMHO. I'll let you know what they say. Going to e-mail someone there right now.

--kC

I've got Koni shocks on the rear of my GTO. Not bad. Like a kid with a new toy, I played with the settings. I was not happy when I found out Konis front struts required cutting & installing inserts. It is basically a "universal" kit, since they don't make any front struts specifically for the GTO. If that is what Koni plans for the G8, I won't be getting those either.

So who makes the Pedders coilovers?
PEDDERS......Frank

:gr_jest: No offense to anyone who hasn't heard of Pedders. But, for those who have heard of them, they are as big a name in Australia as Eibach & Tien are. The reason some people in the US haven't heard of them is because the GTO was the first product sold in the US where Pedders had already established a good reputation in the car's home market. If Aussie customers like their products, who's to say the US buyer wouldn't like Aussie suspension upgrades from a company that knows the car.

The reason i asked who makes Pedders Coilovers is because i don't think that they make there own shocks. I've been told that it's Monroe and Gabriel that make them for Pedders...

I've got Koni shocks on the rear of my GTO. Not bad. Like a kid with a new toy, I played with the settings. I was not happy when I found out Konis front struts required cutting & installing inserts. It is basically a "universal" kit, since they don't make any front struts specifically for the GTO. If that is what Koni plans for the G8, I won't be getting those either.

So what if you have to cut and insert them? I did this with the Koni's i had on my last car. Had them for 5 years and they behaved exactly the same as the day i bought them. Allot of Koni's are inserts...

So what if you have to cut and insert them? I did this with the Koni's i had on my last car. Had them for 5 years and they behaved exactly the same as the day i bought them. Allot of Koni's are inserts...

It's just my preference. I don't like that idea of using inserts. Even if you have proof that they are as strong & comfortable, I'm still gonna have that opinion. If others agree with you & don't have a problem with the inserts, then that's your choice.

So who makes the Pedders coilovers?

The reason i asked who makes Pedders Coilovers is because i don't think that they make there own shocks. I've been told that it's Monroe and Gabriel that make them for Pedders...

So what if you have to cut and insert them? I did this with the Koni's i had on my last car. Had them for 5 years and they behaved exactly the same as the day i bought them. Allot of Koni's are inserts...

What is your problem with Pedders? First the GTO forum, now this one, what gives. What is your motives for this, and why all of the sudden are you so anti-Pedders? You searched through and pulled up a thread from months ago for what reason, to talk crap about Pedders, again.

You don't own a GTO, a Monaro, a Commodore, or a G8. Correct me if i'm wrong, but you own a Nissan.

What is your problem with Pedders? First the GTO forum, now this one, what gives. What is your motives for this, and why all of the sudden are you so anti-Pedders? You searched through and pulled up a thread from months ago for what reason, to talk crap about Pedders, again.

You don't own a GTO, a Monaro, a Commodore, or a G8. Correct me if i'm wrong, but you own a Nissan.

Mate like i said i don't have a problem with Pedders.

All i know is that Pedders in AU is the lower end of the market when it comes to shocks, but yes they have the biggest budget for advertising...

All i've asked is who makes the Coilovers for Pedders... Because i honestly believe they are not made by Pedders.

Mate like i said i don't have a problem with Pedders.

All i know is that Pedders in AU is the lower end of the market when it comes to shocks, but yes they have the biggest budget for advertising...

All i've asked is who makes the Coilovers for Pedders... Because i honestly believe they are not made by Pedders.

What would lead you to Believe That???? and the GTO is Not Made By Pontiac...So your point is What......Frank

So who makes the Pedders coilovers?Pedders

Mate like i said i don't have a problem with Pedders.

All i know is that Pedders in AU is the lower end of the market when it comes to shocks, but yes they have the biggest budget for advertising...

All i've asked is who makes the Coilovers for Pedders... Because i honestly believe they are not made by Pedders.What you belive and what is fact could not be further from the truth. Go down to the Head Office. See Andrew Sanders. He will take you rbig mouth into the shop where we make them. Now shut up.

I have no tolerance for stupidity or lies. Go suck on a stubbie.

Pfft whatever... Keep painting your monroe shocks red...

Pfft whatever... Keep painting your monroe shocks red...
MONEY TALKS and BULL**** WALKS. PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

Scrape around and come up with $1,000 Aussie Dollars. If Pedders eXtremes are not made in our Head Office location. Andrew will hand you $1,000 Aussie Dollars. If they are made at Head Office you lost $1,000.

Andrew is there. Show him your $1,000 Aussie Dollars. We won't let your sorry arse in without the money. You have the big mouth, you keep flapping it and you picked this fight so YOU PUT UP the MONEY or everyone in the forum world will no what a loser you really are. Pedders will post your picture on the forum in the eXtreme area and We WILL keep your $1,000.

I say you you are nothing but a bag of bitter wind. Prove me wrong. It is now up to you.

MONEY TALKS and BULL**** WALKS. PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

I'm glad the rear supsension has changed on the g8's. The other problem I had with any pedders product (other than price lol) was the annoying creeking at the top of the rear shock connection. I don't know if a solution was ever found but now that my car was splatterd all over the road I don't guess it matters much to me. However I do know pete WAS looking into the issue. Thats more than most companies will do.

as for the shocks themselves. The worked well. They didn't completely eliminate wheel hop. The koni's did. but the application was different. and koni's were more expensive. If I bought an adjustable pedders it would have more or less been the same. Every product has it's application. The pedders big bores were an example of this. They would not compete aganst the koni's but against any other non-adjustable shock they were well matched.

Pedders GSR front and rear struts are available now. The OE dampers are NG.

NG as in No Gas. :angel: The OE units are basic oil and air. The OE damping rate is too light for my taste. If you are interested you can read my driving evaluation of the G8 GT here:

http://www.g8board.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1859

You can see the suspension build on the Pedders USA, LLC G8 here:

http://forums.peddersusa.com/showthread.php?t=328

I'm glad the rear supsension has changed on the g8's. The other problem I had with any pedders product (other than price lol) was the annoying creeking at the top of the rear shock connection. I don't know if a solution was ever found but now that my car was splatterd all over the road I don't guess it matters much to me. However I do know pete WAS looking into the issue. Thats more than most companies will do.

as for the shocks themselves. The worked well. They didn't completely eliminate wheel hop. The koni's did. but the application was different. and koni's were more expensive. If I bought an adjustable pedders it would have more or less been the same. Every product has it's application. The pedders big bores were an example of this. They would not compete aganst the koni's but against any other non-adjustable shock they were well matched.

Pete does look into the issues that arise. We have found that most times it is due to an installation issue. We tend to be passionate about our bits. They are good @#$#@!! good.
The G8 is quite an improvement over the GTO just needs a little bit more and that is where we come in.:)

or these...

http://forums.peddersusa.com/imagehosting/8474c8a3cbedb9.gif

http://forums.peddersusa.com/imagehosting/8474c8a3cc7e3e.gif

We should have inventory with complete systems for the cars when they arrive here in the USA February or March including bushes, coils, dampers, sways and endlinks.

I have these struts and they are available for sail to the serious enthusiast. They were custom chrome plated for display purposes for SEMA. So if you are interested, email me.

mike
dms

Any more info available on the Konis?

I'm not putting down Pedders' suspension systems, as I have no experience with them, and they may be the best in the world for all I know, but their comments in this thread have turned me off to them a bit.

The quickest way to shut up a loud mouth is to ignore them. Responding back in an inflammatory manner just makes you look immature and unprofessional in front of your customers and potential customers. I understand that everyone is human and we all get upset when attacked, but as a vendor you have to treat forums as if they were your store. If I heard a salesperson tell another customer to "suck on a stubbie," no matter what store I was in, what product they were selling, or how big of an attitude the customer gave them, I'd walk right out the door and never come back.

Good customer service goes a long way, but bad goes even further. And before someone points out that the person on the other side of the argument isn't even a customer, remember that customer service involves more than jsut taking care of people who have already given you money.

Just my $0.02, take it or leave it.

Any more info available on the Konis?

I just sent an email to Koni via their web site, asking if they would be supporting the G8. If I ever hear back from them I'll post up.

If I heard a salesperson tell another customer to "suck on a stubbie," no matter what store I was in, what product they were selling, or how big of an attitude the customer gave them, I'd walk right out the door and never come back.


Av-a-go-yer-mug and learn the Aussie lingo. The bloke yer bleeding fer is nothing but a two bob lout. I own the company and enjoy the liberty of tossing out the odd c--keyed drongo that earbash our brand.


You may not have noticed, but the G8 is built in AUSTRALIA. Pedders is an AUSTRALIAN company. Oddly enough, we use AUSTRALIAN slang from time to time.
























Stubby / Stubbie : a 375ml. beer bottle















Everyone is entitled to an opinion. This forum and Pedders welcome all opinons. When the 'opinion' is a blatant lie the right to present it as an opinion ends. You do have the right to purchase any product you choose. You do have the right to your own opinion. If you expect that right, if you enjoy that right, then so should I. What I have posted in this thread is factually accurate. What I have posted in this thread I would say without reservation face to face. I don't hide behind a forum name. I stand behind every word.

we sell King and TEIN suspension kits.
KING Spings
http://www.jhp.com.au/img/products/exteriors/suspension/option-1-h.jpg

TEIN Double adjustable coil over package.

http://www.jhp.com.au/img/products/exteriors/suspension/option-3-h.jpg

contact JHP for more info
http://www.jhp.com.au/contact-form-main.php

JHP, I wish y'all would put some pricing up on your site so we don't have to email for everything.

I'm not putting down Pedders' suspension systems, as I have no experience with them, and they may be the best in the world for all I know, but their comments in this thread have turned me off to them a bit.

The quickest way to shut up a loud mouth is to ignore them. Responding back in an inflammatory manner just makes you look immature and unprofessional in front of your customers and potential customers. I understand that everyone is human and we all get upset when attacked, but as a vendor you have to treat forums as if they were your store. If I heard a salesperson tell another customer to "suck on a stubbie," no matter what store I was in, what product they were selling, or how big of an attitude the customer gave them, I'd walk right out the door and never come back.

Good customer service goes a long way, but bad goes even further. And before someone points out that the person on the other side of the argument isn't even a customer, remember that customer service involves more than jsut taking care of people who have already given you money.

Just my $0.02, take it or leave it.
Totally agree with jsalbre, I am an Aussie too and I must move in different circles than you "mate" because "av a go yer mug" died out in the seventies with Paul Hogan. Any Company that wishes to represent themselves to a fledgling market needs to understand that peoples perceptions are swayed quickly with comments you make. If you have an issue with this Frank guy PM him and save yourself the embarrassment.

I have to say that I am surprised, to say the least, at the attitudes and behaviors of those who represent Pedders here on the board. On the one hand they want you to think they are small town folk who are just having a little fun, and we should not hold them to the level of professionalism of a 'regular' company. On the other hand, when things get rough and they are questioned, we hear about how big and established they are, with all this R&D and their own manufacturing facilities, etc.

So which is it guys? If you want to be taken seriously, you should act professionally in all your affairs. You get exactly the reputation you earn, and at best your reputation here is mixed. Perhaps your stuff is good, but I guarantee you that some people will never find out because they are completely turned off by your actions and behaviors.

...and not to beat a dead horse, but I still don't understand why Pedders will not publish specifications for their components. I recognize that the overall configuration of a suspension upgrade kit can certainly be recognized as intellectual property, but just about every other aftermarket spring or sway bar manufacturer at least provides some kind of quantifiable value. (Whether they actually meet that value within an acceptable margin of error is another issue, I get that.)

I'm going to fall back on my experience as a motorcylist here, and relate that all companies that market aftermarket motorcycle forks, shocks, springs, insert cartridges, and valving kits not only advertise the values of the various components, but offer a range of them to suit the weight of the rider and the intended use of the bike. To claim that a data set that defines the configuration of a fork set is proprietary would be laughable in the motorcycling community, since the values are critical.

I find it a bit puzzling in this context, to be honest. The "trust us, we know what's the best setup for you" approach is great as an option, but not as the only option.

This is just my opinion as a consumer. Even though Pedders may have an excellent package (and individual products), the lack of published data seems a bit odd to people that are shopping around.

To be clear, I did not post the above to be inflammatory. Pedders has stated their position on the matter so it's up to us as consumers to decide whom to do business with.

Can we have one suspension thread that doesn't turn into a Pedders circus?

Zaphod B, I have certainly tried a reasonable approach trying to get even a little info from Brand P. We all saw how well that worked out :)

If someone said that Monroe made my stuff then I would respond pretty strongly. Thats like saying that Meineke makes StolenFox's exhausts.

Anyhow... if you are interested in Peddars go visit LS1GTO.com and check out their reputation there. You can actually read about people's experiences and daily use of their product. Ignore the bantering that occured here.

Can we have one suspension thread that doesn't turn into a Pedders circus?
Point taken, and it's all I'll say on the subject.

Av-a-go-yer-mug and learn the Aussie lingo. The bloke yer bleeding fer is nothing but a two bob lout. I own the company and enjoy the liberty of tossing out the odd c--keyed drongo that earbash our brand.

You may not have noticed, but the G8 is built in AUSTRALIA. Pedders is an AUSTRALIAN company. Oddly enough, we use AUSTRALIAN slang from time to time.

Stubby / Stubbie : a 375ml. beer bottle

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. This forum and Pedders welcome all opinons. When the 'opinion' is a blatant lie the right to present it as an opinion ends. You do have the right to purchase any product you choose. You do have the right to your own opinion. If you expect that right, if you enjoy that right, then so should I. What I have posted in this thread is factually accurate. What I have posted in this thread I would say without reservation face to face. I don't hide behind a forum name. I stand behind every word.

I have no problem with Aussie lingo as a large number of my friends and several former coworkers from my military days are Aussie. And yes, I'm well aware that the G8 is built in Australia and that you are an Australian company.

However, this is a board for a car sold in the US, and I'm willing to bet that the majority of the people here are going to interpret "stubbie" the same way I did. When doing business in other countries it's generally best to avoid any slang that might be misinterpreted. Just like "bugger," "root" and "fanny" would be an inappropriate words for me to use speaking to Aussie customers of mine.

In the end though you are right, you may speak however you wish, but don't be surprised if a large percentage of this board finds your tone and choice of vocabulary offensive.

Oh, and if the purpose of filling your first paragraph with as much slang as possible was to confuse me or make me look unintelligent then you've failed miserably.

I don't need to try harder to learn Aussie Slang. I'm not showing sympathy for the man, whether he's a two-faced troublemaker or not. It's great you own the company, but you really don't get the privledge of tossing out foolish idiots here, no matter how much they blather on bad mouthing your company.

Have a nice day. :)

I have a Bilstein setup on my current ride (08 La Crosse Super) as factory install. I can tell you that it is a marked improvement over a regular La Crosse. Handling is far more crisp with nearly the same ride quality. Obviously, the suspensions between a W and a Zeta are way different, so your experience may vary, but I've been happy in my experience with Bilsteins.

Response from Koni:

"Yes the G8 is on our R&D list. It looks like it will be somewhere between 6 months to a year before we see parts. I would keep checking the website for updates."

I gave the Koni rep the board's URL and invited him to peek in occasionally.

JHP, I wish y'all would put some pricing up on your site so we don't have to email for everything.

We are working on it, but with the US dollar dropping all the time, it makes it really hard.

GUYS,
Do not underestiamte the poor condition of our dollar!!. The reason our gas prices are so bad is not that the price of world gas has gone up that much. It is because the cost of doing business in US currency is sooooooo bad!!

mike
dms

the cost of doing business in US currency is sooooooo bad!!
Believe me, we feel your pain! :rant:

I have to say that I am surprised, to say the least, at the attitudes and behaviors of those who represent Pedders here on the board. On the one hand they want you to think they are small town folk who are just having a little fun, and we should not hold them to the level of professionalism of a 'regular' company. On the other hand, when things get rough and they are questioned, we hear about how big and established they are, with all this R&D and their own manufacturing facilities, etc.

So which is it guys? If you want to be taken seriously, you should act professionally in all your affairs. You get exactly the reputation you earn, and at best your reputation here is mixed. Perhaps your stuff is good, but I guarantee you that some people will never find out because they are completely turned off by your actions and behaviors.

You labor under the impression that businesses care what you think of them. Allow me to lift that burden from your shoulders. People universally condemn the human rights politics of China while buying more Chinese made goods on a daily basis. As far as this forum, nothing is better for business than publicity -- and there is no such thing as bad publicity.

If you think I am politically incorrect on this forum, come to any national event of Pedders event and see what I have to say in person. It will be exactly what I think. I have no time to waste on being politically correct. I do not suffer fools. Make a false statement about Pedders and I will correct you. Insist your false statement about Pedders is correct and I will ask for proof. Fail to produce your proof, retract your statement or be called a liar. Menace is a liar. I'll say it here and I'll say it to his face. It is what it is.

What you see is what you get with Pedders. I attend enthusiast events around the country. I answer PMs and emails. I post my email, I participate in forums and post mobile phone number so that any customer that has a problem a Pedders Dealer cannot resolve they are encouraged to call me. You don't like the way we do business buy something else. There are more than enough consumers that appreciate our candid approach to doing business to support our growth.

Btw, the next time you have a problem with Brand-X I am sure you'll have direct line contact to the owner....

PGB@PeddersUSA.com
JusticePete on many forums
O 248.522.8021
M 616.834.8100

I have a Bilstein setup on my current ride (08 La Crosse Super) as factory install. I can tell you that it is a marked improvement over a regular La Crosse. Handling is far more crisp with nearly the same ride quality. Obviously, the suspensions between a W and a Zeta are way different, so your experience may vary, but I've been happy in my experience with Bilsteins.
Bilstien is a monotube design. For flat our racing, the consistency of a monotube is vastly superior to a twin tube. The price of racing quality handling is ride quality. The damping rates and spring rates used on a race car are only functional due to tire size and tread compound. The exact same set up on the exact same race car with the exact same setup using street compound and size tires would be a disaster. Now if you valve a twin tube to the exact same critical damping scale as a monotube for a street application I seriously doubt that the best F1 driver in the world would be able to tell the difference.

What GM has done with certain setups is adjust spring rate, spring height and damping rate to create a better handling vehicle. The result as you have personally experienced is Handling is far more crisp with nearly the same ride quality. That has little to do with the brand and much to do with the components being tuned, matched to work together. In GM the C6 Z06 Corvette is next to perfect. There is little you can do in the aftermarket to improve the suspension. The best suspension upgrades for a C6 Vette come from the GM parts bin -- install C6 Z06 suspension bits.

For the G8 there are a wide range of aftermarket bits that will be available. What isn't available are complete systems that have been engineered, tuned, matched to provide Handling is far more crisp with nearly the same ride quality. That is Pedders territory.

This thread is interesting as the reason behind the thread is a amount of lean and roll experienced in the G8. The car box stock is outstanding. The ride comfort is excellant. The handling, if you ignore the lean, is outstanding. The real deficiency out of the box for the G8 are the rear sub-frame bushes. They are voided and soft leading to rear end step out in straight line acceleration over road imperfections and worse in powering through and out of corners. The rear end squirms because the control surfaces of the four rear sub-frame bushes are too small, too voided and too soft. No amount of increased damping will correct this. In fact, as you increase the damping or coil rates you will increase the amount and severity of the rear end step out.

The biggest band for the buck, the #1 modification for G8 is to improve the rear sub-frame bushes. That is the source of the foundational instability in the G8, followed by the hydraulic filled / damped radius rid bushes, coils rate, coil height and NG OE dampers -- not No Good OE dampers, No Gas OE dampers.

You labor under the impression that businesses care what you think of them. Allow me to lift that burden from your shoulders. People universally condemn the human rights politics of China while buying more Chinese made goods on a daily basis. As far as this forum, nothing is better for business than publicity -- and there is no such thing as bad publicity.

If you think I am politically incorrect on this forum, come to any national event of Pedders event and see what I have to say in person. It will be exactly what I think. I have no time to waste on being politically correct. I do not suffer fools. Make a false statement about Pedders and I will correct you. Insist your false statement about Pedders is correct and I will ask for proof. Fail to produce your proof, retract your statement or be called a liar. Menace is a liar. I'll say it here and I'll say it to his face. It is what it is.

What you see is what you get with Pedders. I attend enthusiast events around the country. I answer PMs and emails. I post my email, I participate in forums and post mobile phone number so that any customer that has a problem a Pedders Dealer cannot resolve they are encouraged to call me. You don't like the way we do business buy something else. There are more than enough consumers that appreciate our candid approach to doing business to support our growth.

Btw, the next time you have a problem with Brand-X I am sure you'll have direct line contact to the owner....

PGB@PeddersUSA.com
JusticePete on many forums
O 248.522.8021
M 616.834.8100

Dude, you have some issues. I don't labor under anything. And unless you're Britney or some other star, there is such a thing as bad publicity. So keep digging a hole and jumping in it; I'll continue to watch. :popcorn2:

Bilstien is a monotube design. For flat our racing, the consistency of a monotube is vastly superior to a twin tube. The price of racing quality handling is ride quality. The damping rates and spring rates used on a race car are only functional due to tire size and tread compound. The exact same set up on the exact same race car with the exact same setup using street compound and size tires would be a disaster. Now if you valve a twin tube to the exact same critical damping scale as a monotube for a street application I seriously doubt that the best F1 driver in the world would be able to tell the difference.

JP, The whole first paragraph doesn't make any sense. I am not sure if you know what you are talking about and way over simplified it or (more likely) you just don't know what you are talking about but either way your explanation is wrong.

JP, The whole first paragraph doesn't make any sense. I am not sure if you know what you are talking about and way over simplified it or (more likely) you just don't know what you are talking about but either way your explanation is wrong.OK, I'll bite on this. Why is it wrong?

Geez you guys give Pedders too much crap. Stop crying like a bunch of children. Personally I find it awesome that he can tell people off who are bashing his company based off of what they pull out of their asses. I can respect that. I hate all that fake friendly salesman customer is always right BS.

Personally I find it awesome that he can tell people off who are bashing his company based off of what they pull out of their asses. I can respect that. I hate all that fake friendly salesman customer is always right BS.
You sir are a powerful man, with great character and impeccable judgment.

:gr_jest:

Thanks for the perspective. I like your style too. You also have a 20% Off Pedders Gift certificate in your PM box.

OK, I'll bite on this. Why is it wrong?

You are the "suspension guy" you figure it out.

Hre is a link to the Pedders web site. On there are 4 G8s that have been updated, You can see before and after pictures on 1

http://www.peddersusa.com/Pontiac%20G8%20Zeta.htm

thanks
mike
dms

You are the "suspension guy" you figure it out.

If they are the "suspension guys", don't they already have it figured out? :gr_jest: I couldn't give a rat's ass about twin tube vs. monotube vs. whatever. I am looking for a certain ride/handling aspect out of a car. I'll use the info given by the manufacturer & make my decision off of that.

If they are the "suspension guys", don't they already have it figured out? :gr_jest: I couldn't give a rat's ass about twin tube vs. monotube vs. whatever. I am looking for a certain ride/handling aspect out of a car. I'll use the info given by the manufacturer & make my decision off of that.

I really do not understand all the hostility, but I guess it is what it is. With respect to Pete's discussion on the Bilstein Monotube info, this info did not come from Pete: It came from design engineers at Bilstein in Au. Pedders has a "courtesy design" relationship with all the shock manufacturers in Au. So if you are dissaggreeing with the info that Pete presented, he is just relaying info from Bilstein.

Teh botom line is we all can talk and chat about how anyone's stuff performs. The bottom line should be an actual in the front seat roadtest for performance, ride comfort, and looks. This is what Pedders wants to emphasize and do: we want all of you to roadtest one of our Pedderized G8s, and make up your own mind.

With R&D that we have done, so many of the specs and data on the forum could be suspect and may not be duplicatable. So you really have to be careful on compazring data. Compare roadtesting and feel; that is what should be done.

thanks

mike
dms

I really do not understand all the hostility, but I guess it is what it is.
mike
dms

I was being sarchastic to Rustang. Maybe I didn't portray that well enough.

I really do not understand all the hostility, but I guess it is what it is. With respect to Pete's discussion on the Bilstein Monotube info, this info did not come from Pete: It came from design engineers at Bilstein in Au. Pedders has a "courtesy design" relationship with all the shock manufacturers in Au. So if you are dissaggreeing with the info that Pete presented, he is just relaying info from Bilstein.

I don't harbor any hostility towards any of the Pedders guys. Pedders is what it is and I will leave it at that.

It was obvious, to me, that the info I quoted from JP was posted by somebody who didn't really understand what they were saying. So it makes sense that it was paraphrased from another source. The basic gist of "race suspension parts don't work on the street" is a given. The supporting statements didn't make sense.

Like I said before it would be nice to have ONE suspension thread that doesn't turn into a Pedders circle jerk.

If people that are happy with there purchase or anothers beliefs this does not necessarily mean a "circle jerk" has begun. Just like you they are allowed to express their thoughts and feelings on whatever it is they so desire. We choose to express how we feel as well.

I don't harbor any hostility towards any of the Pedders guys. Pedders is what it is and I will leave it at that.

It was obvious, to me, that the info I quoted from JP was posted by somebody who didn't really understand what they were saying. So it makes sense that it was paraphrased from another source. The basic gist of "race suspension parts don't work on the street" is a given. The supporting statements didn't make sense.

Like I said before it would be nice to have ONE suspension thread that doesn't turn into a Pedders circle jerk.

I totally aggree. Once Pedders is established, which will be very soon, you will find us to be extremely supportive to this community. We have our privacy issues and all of us have to deal with this. But the bottom line is that we sincerely want this community to drive the G8 with our systems on it, and if you do, as the GTO community has found, it is a sweet ride. This is what we want, and we want to be a positive supporter.

We will be putting some info up soon on spring rates like we did with the GTO, as in terms of % increase in spring rate. There is soooo much involved with springs and shocks, that it truely goes way beyond stiffness. It goes into balance and support of one component to another. It needs to be looked at as a system. I can tell you in the next 2 to 4 months, thousands will have the opportunity to check out our systems on the G8. With that all will be clear.

We will, at some point, do evaluations of one system to another. We did this with the GTO. It was not just me and Pete; there were also 12 members of the GTO community involved as well, when we evaluated our pedders to Konis/Eibach. The evaluations were 100% aggreeed upon after driving both GTOs, We welcome this with other manufacturers. But there again, what other manufacturers will you find on this forum discussing suspension??

mike
dms

Like I said before it would be nice to have ONE suspension thread that doesn't turn into a Pedders circle jerk.

I think what he means here is that this thread is not a Pedders titled thread (like we need another one...), and yet somehow they have taken over another thread on the forum. It's getting old. :zzz:

I think what he means here is that this thread is not a Pedders titled thread (like we need another one...), and yet somehow they have taken over another thread on the forum. It's getting old. :zzz:

ZZZ.... If you're that bored, why didn't you take me up on my offer to drive the Red888 G8GT with a Pedders Track II system when I was in San Diego last week?

I don't think Pedders took over the thread, so much as they were responding to other posts. The OP asked a question, and they were able to answer it.

ZZZ.... If you're that bored, why didn't you take me up on my offer to drive the Red888 G8GT with a Pedders Track II system when I was in San Diego last week?

The girlfriend took over the weekend, sorry about that. Maybe next time.

Here is a customer's response on the most recent Pedders Track system installed. Here is a great opportunity for any of you to pm him and ask him any question that you would like

http://www.g8board.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2464

thanks

mike
dms

They speak Aussie in Michigan?


JET

They speak Aussie in Michigan?


JET
I reckon I'll have a scratch on it which will probably lead to a VB and Bex. As you can see I have met some older Aussies and some with a sense of humor. I have also met a few that leveraged the Crocodile Dundee films into very pleasurable nights at pubs across the USA. I am also not politically correct and think like would be boring beyond belief if we all were.

Been dealin' with 'em (Aussie's) for about twenty years Pete but never picked up the "lingo". I hope you do OK on this board (with your product line) but think you should let people know what a difference in ride quality switching out the OEM to urethane bushings, etc. makes. This is a four door "family" car and Dad needs to know what to tell the little lady what he has in (mod) mind for the new family car, ride quality wise. Just a thought..........good luck.

JET

Since the Pedders install, the car is improved 100%. The steering is tighter and immediately responsive, as a "Track" set-up should be. It is a very European feel now. As far as the ride, it actually isn't as stiff as I "feared". The dampening is far superior than stock, I think I posted once that "I'm still looking in the rear view mirror for the manhole covers Red888 is pulling up" because the car is stuck that well to the road now. Cornering is that much improved as well, with much less body roll and no more of that "floaty" feeling. Say good-bye to the "girly" car ride. I drove from Sacramento to San Diego and back, almost 1,000 miles in 2 days and even at the end of the trip didn't feel uncomfortable or bone jarred. I will say though, the car handled as well as the M5 I encountered going through the "Grapevine" which is a very winding 30 mile strech of highyway through the mountains going at speeds, lets just say well "over the posted limit". I don't think the little lady would mind a BMW or a Benz type ride in a G8.

Monroe and King springs have teamed up to make a combo here in Australia.

They have made up shortened Monroe GT Sport shocks that are suited to King Springs...

http://www.monroe.com.au/products/gt-sport.html#q6

So maybe contact vendors here that supply monroe/king for a price.

You labor under the impression that businesses care what you think of them. Allow me to lift that burden from your shoulders. People universally condemn the human rights politics of China while buying more Chinese made goods on a daily basis. As far as this forum, nothing is better for business than publicity -- and there is no such thing as bad publicity.

If you think I am politically incorrect on this forum, come to any national event of Pedders event and see what I have to say in person. It will be exactly what I think. I have no time to waste on being politically correct. I do not suffer fools. Make a false statement about Pedders and I will correct you. Insist your false statement about Pedders is correct and I will ask for proof. Fail to produce your proof, retract your statement or be called a liar. Menace is a liar. I'll say it here and I'll say it to his face. It is what it is.

What you see is what you get with Pedders. I attend enthusiast events around the country. I answer PMs and emails. I post my email, I participate in forums and post mobile phone number so that any customer that has a problem a Pedders Dealer cannot resolve they are encouraged to call me. You don't like the way we do business buy something else. There are more than enough consumers that appreciate our candid approach to doing business to support our growth.

Btw, the next time you have a problem with Brand-X I am sure you'll have direct line contact to the owner....

PGB@PeddersUSA.com
JusticePete on many forums
O 248.522.8021
M 616.834.8100

Appreciate you frank & spirited defense of your company. It was warranted. When you are exposed to a Black PR campaign, you do have to discredit the source of the Black PR and then correct the wrong data or impression with your public that the Black PR created. You did that. But how you do it is called the science or art of PR. If you do it well, your public not only disbelieves the BS from the Black PR campaign but looks favorably at your company. So you win in both directions, the discrediting of the Black PR and putting yourself in a very good light with your public. Get the drift?

Point taken.