I just turned in my '08 MGM G8 to Bunnin Pontiac in Oxnard, Ca. It's a lemon with engine problems. Don't buy it.

VIN 6G2ER57708L124895

Did you trade it in or did you just turn it in under the lemon law?

How does the Genesis compare to the G8? It always seems to get dinged for bad ride and handling on rough pavement.

His car was a v6. So really can't compare to a gt. Returned under lemon law.

Returned under Ca. Lemon Law. Thread about it in the V6 Tech forum.

As for the R Spec, Love it. 429 HP 5.0L. ride is no worse than my G8. Stock for stock will out run a GT. Has all the bells and wistles to boot. Both the wife and I like it better than the G8.

Returned under Ca. Lemon Law. Thread about it in the V6 Tech forum.

As for the R Spec, Love it. 429 HP 5.0L. ride is no worse than my G8. Stock for stock will out run a GT. Has all the bells and wistles to boot. Both the wife and I like it better than the G8.

I have a gt. Raced against the r spec. Left him in rear mirror. You had a6cyl. Can not compare it to a gt. Good luck with your new car.

Returned under Ca. Lemon Law. Thread about it in the V6 Tech forum.

As for the R Spec, Love it. 429 HP 5.0L. ride is no worse than my G8. Stock for stock will out run a GT. Has all the bells and wistles to boot. Both the wife and I like it better than the G8.

You turned in a g8 under the lemon law and bought a Hyundai? I don't get it.... Hope you kept your lemon law attorney's phone number.

You could've bought 2 used bolt-on gt's for what you paid for that Hyundai and you and your wife could both crush an r spec. And you'd you look better doing it. And you wouldn't have to tell people you drive a Hyundai. And you'd still be a part of an incredible g8 owners community.

I had a 2011 4.6l genesis as a company car and, when it wasn't in the shop waiting for parts from Korea, I hated that thing. The interior looked just like an elantra except with nicer plastic. Seriously, though, don't drive an elantra, you'll think you're having dejavu.

Best of luck to you and your Hyundai. I hope I'm wrong and you love it.


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You turned in a g8 under the lemon law and bought a Hyundai? I don't get it.... Hope you kept your lemon law attorney's phone number.

You could've bought 2 used bolt-on gt's for what you paid for that Hyundai and you and your wife could both crush an r spec. And you'd you look better doing it. And you wouldn't have to tell people you drive a Hyundai. And you'd still be a part of an incredible g8 owners community.

I had a 2011 4.6l genesis as a company car and, when it wasn't in the shop waiting for parts from Korea, I hated that thing. The interior looked just like an elantra except with nicer plastic. Seriously, though, don't drive an elantra, you'll think you're having dejavu.

Best of luck to you and your Hyundai. I hope I'm wrong and you love it.


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It is what it is... A hyundai.. Not a bad car.. LOL. I agree with you . Nice lawnmower

Sorry you feel that way about Hyundai. I did too years ago. But they have turned around. I'm happy with my decission and stick with it.

And I'm not comparing my V6 G8 to the 5.0 R Spec. My other car was a 600 HP 383 stroker. So I have an idea what speed/acceleration/torque feels like.

Good luck with your G8. I did like the car in the begning but way to many problems with it and GM would not stand behind their product so time to move on. I don't se the same happening with the Hyundai. times have changed. And there are the same type of communities on other forums for others cars. The G8 forum is not unique.

Oh and if you look in the kill section you will find that a modded Gt had a hard time with a R Spec so not sure about you leaving like you said , unless your not stock.

I was in traffic next to a new Genesis and noticed at the light that they had no taillights on/brake lights - nothing. Their entire exterior lighting system was non-functioning. Packed with 5 people.

I had to tell them to take that pile back, their brake lights, everything, DEAD. That could've been a nasty accident. Had CA plates on it.

Not something I'd ever buy, especially after Hyundais poor treatment to a friend of mine on his showroom fresh Tiburon at the time.

Faster than a GT? Right...

And there are the same type of communities on other forums for others cars. The G8 forum is not unique.

Good to know... Don't let the door hit you on the way out.


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Oh and if you look in the kill section you will find that a modded Gt had a hard time with a R Spec so not sure about you leaving like you said , unless your not stock.

Right...

If you are ever in San Antonio and want to try a bolt on gt, I've got a couple buddies who I'm sure will run you. Or you could try me- and my build is still about $10,000 less than what you paid for that Hyundai. :)


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This was a simple thread to warn others of a lemon with a bad engine. Nothing more.

I'm sorry you guys decided to drag it down to something else.

Why all the hate? If my G8 bit the dust, I'd want another spacious RWD 4 dr with a powerful V8. Rather than shell out 70k on a Cadillac, I'd be tempted by the Genesis. There just aren't that many affordable choices anymore.

Why all the hate?

Probably his assertion that his r spec will out run a gt, or his 15 posts on various threads ranting about how much he hates gm, or saying that the g8 community is "nothing special," or that his Hyundai is more reliable than a g8.

More power to you if those are your opinions but if you want to post that stuff in a g8 forum you have to expect some blow back. Move on and post it on a Hyundai forum and you'll probably get a good welcome. Here you'll just get people rolling their eyes.


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I hate GM too, you gonna @$%% all over me too? The G8 will be my last GM ever because of their service. Was looking at an Acadia Denali and realized that it would be the same all over again. I bought a 2011 Nissan, and my next vehicle I'm getting this year or early next will either be the Flex Ecoboost, or Durango R/T. Got something to say about the quality or being in the shop? At least they stand behind their products unlike GM, who just brushes you off. Sorry your panties are in a bunch, but let go. You sound like a child who doesn't get his way.

Wow. I saw a GM product with it's brake/tail lights out the other night. Guess they are all unreliable pieces of crap as well.
Personally I like the Genesis. Can't beat the warranty. And maybe thems that buys them aren't interested in outrunning G8's. Maybe they just want a decent inexpensive car with good power.

I hate GM too, you gonna @$%% all over me too? The G8 will be my last GM ever because of their service. Was looking at an Acadia Denali and realized that it would be the same all over again. I bought a 2011 Nissan, and my next vehicle I'm getting this year or early next will either be the Flex Ecoboost, or Durango R/T. Got something to say about the quality or being in the shop? At least they stand behind their products unlike GM, who just brushes you off. Sorry your panties are in a bunch, but let go. You sound like a child who doesn't get his way.

Woah there buddy.... :) I didn't say he shouldn't hate gm, I'm not a fan that they took bail out money and dropped Pontiac- my next car probably won't be a gm unless they come out with something new. I'm still not going to blast multiple rants all over the board when I leave.

I simply disputed his assertions that his car could "outrun" a gt and informed him of my personal experience with a 2011 genesis.

Please don't "@$%%" on me for having a different opinion than you and chief.

Like I said, chief, best of luck to you and I hope I'm wrong and you enjoy the heck out of that Hyundai. Now let's move on...


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Woah there buddy.... :) I didn't say he shouldn't hate gm, I'm not a fan that they took bail out money and dropped Pontiac- my next car probably won't be a gm unless they come out with something new. I'm still not going to blast multiple rants all over the board when I leave.

I simply disputed his assertions that his car could "outrun" a gt and informed him of my personal experience with a 2011 genesis.

Please don't "@$%%" on me for having a different opinion than you and chief.

Like I said, chief, best of luck to you and I hope I'm wrong and you enjoy the heck out of that Hyundai. Now let's move on...


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Also from every auto magazine, not personal experience as I haven't run into one yet, a Genesis R spec is faster than a GT. Maybe you didn't run an R spec? Also everyone is entitled to their opinions, it's the way yours came across whether intentional or misread by me. I'm sure the quality of Hyundai is better than that of GM nowadays.

Hmm wait till the 2013 Genesis Coupe comes out with 345 hp and 700lbs lighter than the G8. I had considered waiting and getting the coupe, but saw the G8 and had to buy it since it was low mileage and excellent condition....even with the quirks :)

sorry to hear about your G8 problems. i too have had some problems, but luckily its running pretty smooth now.

the hyundai is a great car. only thing it lacks is brand cachet, but that's not important to some people.

Hmm wait till the 2013 Genesis Coupe comes out with 345 hp and 700lbs lighter than the G8. I had considered waiting and getting the coupe, but saw the G8 and had to buy it since it was low mileage and excellent condition....even with the quirks :)

Rumors have the Genesis coupe getting the 5.0 with 449hp, in that case would be a monster.

Let this guy with the genesis off the hook.. He just posted some ridiculous statements because he's pissed at GM. When the Hyundai is in the repair shop he will complain on the genesis forum. He stated the Vin # so people don't buy it. Kind of a heads up. I had an issue with mine, GM gave me $2000. All manufacturers put out a bad (lemon) car. GM is the largest auto maker in the world. Hyundai, bmw, volkswagon... Chrysler, ford, Benz... GM IS BIGGER.

Let this guy with the genesis off the hook.. He just posted some ridiculous statements because he's pissed at GM. When the Hyundai is in the repair shop he will complain on the genesis forum. He stated the Vin # so people don't buy it. Kind of a heads up. I had an issue with mine, GM gave me $2000. All manufacturers put out a bad (lemon) car. GM is the largest auto maker in the world. Hyundai, bmw, volkswagon... Chrysler, ford, Benz... GM IS BIGGER.

Bigger doesn't mean better. Smaller companies usually have better customer service because they know it's the customers that keep them going.

Bigger doesn't mean better. Smaller companies usually have better customer service because they know it's the customers that keep them going.

Didn't say better.. When you produce a large inventory, some are going to be a lemon. More inventory, more manufacturing.. More problems...thats why we don't see as many lemons in Rolls Royce.. Etc..

The fact that GM is "bigger" should mean it also has more resources for design, development, testing and product refinement, not to mention better manufacturing/process controls. In other words, they should have LESS problems than everyone else, not more.

I have to say, my G8's problems would make me think twice about getting another GM, even if it they did offer a product I'd actually want (which, currently, they don't). Chrysler offers lots of stuff I'd like to have, but their quality scared me off, and that's without any personal experience! I still maintain that Ford is the best of the Big 3, quality-wise. And I would definitely consider a Genesis R-spec as my next car, assuming one could be found (lightly used) at an affordable price. Paying $50k for a Korean car still just feels wrong, even if their quality has improved significantly!

It does have less problems, production numbers against the amount on the road, percentage wise. All manufacturers have there weaknesses. I also have a 2011 Optima turbo Kia. Great car from hyundai, great looking car, packed with options, but pulls to left. Panorama roof is squeaky. I also have a 2012 infiniti g37. The g37 is not the same as my older g35. It's ride is a busy one (not as smooth) and the engine is louder than the older g35. No manufacturer, magazine or owner can BS me.

Returned under Ca. Lemon Law. Thread about it in the V6 Tech forum.

I am sorry but I do not believe in Lemons.

To me what people call a Lemon is a problem/s the dealer cannot figure out and/or provides such a poor service the owner keeps coming back.

I had cars that can be called Lemons; for example, my infamous Honda Prelude. Big time money pit, no because was a Lemon, was due to poor engineering and poor choices of materials. I always kept the car running like it should.

The other car that had some issues was the Pontiac Grand Am that I fixed. All it need it was some TLC and keep the wire harness clean (connectors). Now is a very dependable car.

A good friend of mine works as a Tech at a Hyundia dealer... He says he would never own a Genesis or any Hyundia for that matter. I see more hyundia's sitting in the back row of the dealer waiting for repair or parts everday when I drive past. I did drive a R-spec back to back with my stock G8 GT. The R-spec would get it hands down. Awesome driving car. But... Would I own one? NO! . All the G8 needs is a tune and will walk an R-spec all day. I am used to Honda and Toyota cars for the last 8 years. I said I would never own another GM after my 2005 SS Impala. But the G8 is truly a great car. Sorry for bashing Hyundia. Good luck with your adventures in Korean ownership. Not trying to bash your purchase. To each his own.

I'm more concerned about your bashing Pontiac! Pontiac's versions of products shared with Chevy have always been superior, from the Trans Am to the Grand Prix (thinking '60s and '70s vintage, here, before GM forced the superior Pontiac products out in favour of the lesser Chevy ones. Yes, I'm hatin' on Chevy :P).

I guess I shouldn't have said bad about Pontiac. My bad. But I wish they would have just left it as a imported Holden. Not sure why it couldn't have been done. GM politics i'm sure. I guess i'm more harsh against GM cause I work on them for a living and I see all the problems. I take back my Pontiac statement cause I love my Pontiac G8.

jp,
Interesting that you say you test drove a R Spec back to back with your GT. It must have been recently as teh R Spec is a new for 2012 model.

And I'm not sure I buy in that GM is the largest car manufacture. From all the different countries I've been in around the world, I've seen more Toyota's than any thing else.

Zodaic, C&D drove one to a 4.8 sec 0-60 with a 13.3 in the 1/4 mile. said they could probably get more if they tried. Said it was faster from a roll than a standing start.;)

jp,
Interesting that you say you test drove a R Spec back to back with your GT. It must have been recently as teh R Spec is a new for 2012 model.

And I'm not sure I buy in that GM is the largest car manufacture. From all the different countries I've been in around the world, I've seen more Toyota's than any thing else.

Zodaic, C&D drove one to a 4.8 sec 0-60 with a 13.3 in the 1/4 mile. said they could probably get more if they tried. Said it was faster from a roll than a standing start.;)

Don't care what you have seen .. Its a fact GM is the largest in the world. Volkswagon, then Toyota's.. Toyota had top spot for a. Very Short time. They had tons of defects. I don't make comments without support. Learn about what your talking about. Thought you bought a Hyundai.. I guess it's kind of boring on that forum or are there too many complaints to read.

jp,
Interesting that you say you test drove a R Spec back to back with your GT. It must have been recently as teh R Spec is a new for 2012 model.

And I'm not sure I buy in that GM is the largest car manufacture. From all the different countries I've been in around the world, I've seen more Toyota's than any thing else.

Zodaic, C&D drove one to a 4.8 sec 0-60 with a 13.3 in the 1/4 mile. said they could probably get more if they tried. Said it was faster from a roll than a standing start.;)

I test drove it the same day I bought my G8 at the dealer. In October of this year. It wasn't even for sale yet. I was impressed by the way it drove thats for sure. It was very smooth and revved very quick. The ride was very Lexus like. It would hands down walk the G8 GT stock. Quality is great on it i'm sure but as said before I wouldn't own one especially out of warranty.

(DCC JUSTIN) \Couldn’t of said it any better!!!

Probably his assertion that his r spec will out run a gt, or his 15 posts on various threads ranting about how much he hates gm, or saying that the g8 community is "nothing special," or that his Hyundai is more reliable than a g8.

More power to you if those are your opinions but if you want to post that stuff in a g8 forum you have to expect some blow back. Move on and post it on a Hyundai forum and you'll probably get a good welcome. Here you'll just get people rolling their eyes.

All these posts are opinion based. To each their own. It's a shame GM turns people away with their quality issues, but they're not alone.

Good luck with the Genesis - it's a nice looking car man.

thanks for the info

jpG8, thanks for claryfing for me.

For the others, it seems you soon forget that i owned the car for 3 years/41K miles. being in and out of the shop ever few months was a problem for me. I tried to get things fixed/worked out as I really liked the car. Still do. But the attitude from GM is what made me move on.

I'm not the first person to turn in my G8 under the Lemon Law and I'm sure I won't be the last. A lot of others have taken a different route by selling/trading in their G8 I'm sure for some of teh same reasons.

It dosen't take but a little reading on this site to see all of the problems that there are with this car. The biggest problem of all is that GM dosen't seem to care about any of the G8 owners. They seem to just hope teh car will hold up till the end of teh warrenty and you will move on/disappear.

I wish you all the best of luck with your cars and that none of you have to go thru even half of what I did with my G8.

SINTJU, DCC Justin,
try doing a little research on some of the other forums, ie C&D or maybe Motor trend and you will see the numbers. G8 GT 6.0L 345 HP 0-60 = 5.4 sec. 1/4 mile 13.8 sec @ 102 MPH. R Spec 5.0L 429 HP 0-60 = 4.8 sec 1/4 mile 13.3@ 107 MPH ;) That also begs the question, why can GM only get 345 HP from a 6L while Hyundai gets 429 HP from a 5L? The 6.2 in the 'vette is only rated at 430 HP. Many other car companies are doing similar things as well.

SINTJU, DCC Justin,
try doing a little research on some of the other forums, ie C&D or maybe Motor trend and you will see the numbers. G8 GT 6.0L 345 HP 0-60 = 5.4 sec. 1/4 mile 13.8 sec @ 102 MPH. R Spec 5.0L 429 HP 0-60 = 4.8 sec 1/4 mile 13.3@ 107 MPH ;) That also begs the question, why can GM only get 345 HP from a 6L while Hyundai gets 429 HP from a 5L? The 6.2 in the 'vette is only rated at 430 HP. Many other car companies are doing similar things as well.

Erm, the G8 is vastly de-tuned. It's tuned for 87 and the tune is about as aggressive as a dead grandmother.

GM also left a metric ton on the table with the Vette, too. They have always done that to preserve the engines.

Also, for the price (and a 4-door semi-lux car), give me the new 300 SRT8 and it's not even remotely close.

jpG8, thanks for claryfing for me.

For the others, it seems you soon forget that i owned the car for 3 years/41K miles. being in and out of the shop ever few months was a problem for me. I tried to get things fixed/worked out as I really liked the car. Still do. But the attitude from GM is what made me move on.

I'm not the first person to turn in my G8 under the Lemon Law and I'm sure I won't be the last. A lot of others have taken a different route by selling/trading in their G8 I'm sure for some of teh same reasons.

It dosen't take but a little reading on this site to see all of the problems that there are with this car. The biggest problem of all is that GM dosen't seem to care about any of the G8 owners. They seem to just hope teh car will hold up till the end of teh warrenty and you will move on/disappear.

I wish you all the best of luck with your cars and that none of you have to go thru even half of what I did with my G8.

SINTJU, DCC Justin,
try doing a little research on some of the other forums, ie C&D or maybe Motor trend and you will see the numbers. G8 GT 6.0L 345 HP 0-60 = 5.4 sec. 1/4 mile 13.8 sec @ 102 MPH. R Spec 5.0L 429 HP 0-60 = 4.8 sec 1/4 mile 13.3@ 107 MPH ;) That also begs the question, why can GM only get 345 HP from a 6L while Hyundai gets 429 HP from a 5L? The 6.2 in the 'vette is only rated at 430 HP. Many other car companies are doing similar things as well.

Really??? This thread is still alive??? Probably time to move on chief.... Enjoy your $50,000 dollar Hyundai. Best of luck to you.


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Also, for the price (and a 4-door semi-lux car), give me the new 300 SRT8 and it's not even remotely close.

And the ZL1 is only $5,000 more. Just saying....


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And the ZL1 is only $5,000 more. Just saying....


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Oh, I didn't realize that the ZL1 was a 4-door semi-lux car. ;)

Thanks to the OP for the heads up!

Every car maker produces cars that have problems. Which ones have more problems or whatever I won't even attempt. BMW 3 & 5 series are NO exception, too...

I did read a Motor Trend comp review between a 2011 Genesis 4.6L vs. a Chrysler 300c.

The 300c, even being several hundred pounds heavier, with less HP spanked the 4.6 Hyundai. And torque was the key. 0-60, and in the 1/4 mi. Now that Hyundai has an in house 8-speed, etc, that's old info, I think. The GT can out run that Chrysler 300c, FWIW also...

I always buy domestic, it's a thing with me. But lately, as I'm in the market for a GT or GXP, the Genesis has came up on my radar.

The new Genesis are too expensive (IMHO), and I NOT fans of that body style, but the car has it's good points. The badge - not one of them.

But I settled on a 2009 GT with low miles, as a bargain commuter, with great looks, and GM at that. I am reserved about about going foreign, but haven't ruled it out...

As such, am still looking...

(My first car was a '64 GTO, I put a 428 in it. My brother [and many friends] also joined the Pontiac group bach then - late 70's] My brothers clean '64 GTO received a '69 GP 428, a swap to a TH400, and 4.33 posi, running mid 13's, which back than was HOT!)

uh Mitch,
The G8 is a forgin car. It's built by Holden in Auzzie land. ;)

A lot of what was once thought of as forgin cars are now built here in the states while what is thought of as domestic is built overseas. Kind of a changing of the guard so to speak.

Not that it made a vast amount more, but since when did GT's only have 345 hp? Was that the 2009.5.5 that got another 4 cats?

OK, C&D says 361. The MT article I read said 345.

Shoulda got the GT. :)

Thanks for the information Chief. Hopefully, it'll be useful to somebody, somewhere, sometime soon. Best of luck with the Genesis and drive on bother!!!!

uh Mitch,
The G8 is a forgin car. It's built by Holden in Auzzie land. ;)

A lot of what was once thought of as forgin cars are now built here in the states while what is thought of as domestic is built overseas. Kind of a changing of the guard so to speak.


"forgin"???? Spell-check is there for a reason. Use it. :slap:

I do not think IE has one (forgot when it was the last time I used that browser), but there is one in Chrome and Firefox.

Shoulda got the GT. :)

Yea, but I'd still have the same problems, except I'd have tranny problems instead of timing chain problems. :)

That's the sad part of it all. The G8 has a lot of issues. GM will not address them. They are some of the same problems they had with the GTO. They try and blame it on the boat ride over yet there are a lot of other manufactures who use the same types of boats to ship their cars to the US and they don't have these problems. Go figure.


DRIVE ON!

You guys are beating a dead horse. We know what we have, a unique automobile. Chief your not going to win here, try the rice boards. Stop the whining. 2012 hyundai has been having transmission problems too. Lmfao. And by the way.. GM IS THE LARGEST MANUFACTURER.

Yea, but I'd still have the same problems, except I'd have tranny problems instead of timing chain problems. :)



Interesting claim. I put 500rwhp/570rwtq through my bone stock transmission just fine for over a year when I first did the TT system on it. Others have pushed it even more. Some people have had minor issues with the solenoid packs but after they get them replaced under warranty the transmissions are fine. Just get a tuner who actually knows how to tune the 6L80E tranny and you won't have a problem. Methinks you have no idea what you are talking about. Move along now squid.

Interesting claim. I put 500rwhp/570rwtq through my bone stock transmission just fine for over a year when I first did the TT system on it. Others have pushed it even more. Some people have had minor issues with the solenoid packs but after they get them replaced under warranty the transmissions are fine. Just get a tuner who actually knows how to tune the 6L80E tranny and you won't have a problem. Methinks you have no idea what you are talking about. Move along now squid.
LOL.. Ditto..

My G8GT hasn't had any issues at all.

My G8GT hasn't had any issues at all.

I've only had the control arms issue, and I don't complain.

Also, transmissions on these cars (the 6L80E) is a very stout transmission.

Sorry Rich, you info is out of date. Toyota produces more cars per year world wide than GM. Now when the did that, they suffered HUGE warranty issues a couple years back. Remember the appology they made? Every maker produces problem cars. Hang around any brands service dept and you will hear worse B!tch!ng and problems. In a forum, we always hear the worst of the worst. True or not. As for the Chief, too bad he had such a bad time with his vehicle. Just hope you are proud of the money you send to Communist countries.

Sorry Rich, you info is out of date. Toyota produces more cars per year world wide than GM. Now when the did that, they suffered HUGE warranty issues a couple years back. Remember the appology they made? Every maker produces problem cars. Hang around any brands service dept and you will hear worse B!tch!ng and problems. In a forum, we always hear the worst of the worst. True or not. As for the Chief, too bad he had such a bad time with his vehicle. Just hope you are proud of the money you send to Communist countries.

Actually not sure if your info is up-to-date... I am not sure if final numbers are out yet, but GM was expected to overtake this yr.... did anyone actually see the final 2011 numbers yet.... as of October GM was more.... so maybe you have the magic newspaper that has revealed it already, but I dont think they have announced it yet... please share the final numbers because YOU MUST HAVE THEM DUE TO YOUR OUTRIGHT COORECTION OF RICH... please share... I would love to see the final numbers....

Actually I think the G8 is pretty darn good... they have had some issues but no more than anyother car. Overall the car is fairly stout.

also I agree with Rich on the Lemon thing.... absolutely every issue can be fixed.... its just that the service people cannot find the issue and/or fix it... unfortunately this hurts GM and other auto mfgs....

All the auto compamies have issues...... and comparing toyota as being above GM lately in quality... I would rather have GM's issues than those of toyotas as of recent.... Every yr the cars are becoming more and more complicated beyond belief and thus more issues will arise. Also, costs need to be cut so many things have to become cheaper... or outsourced... thus more crap happens.... it is a vicious circle....

And the comments from this fellow that says GM DOESNT CARE ABOUT US is a bunch of crap... GM cares as much as anyother auto manufacturer... I think dealers need to improve and treat us better and many need to become alot more competent than they are... but there are some good ones ..... just need to find the right ones... unfortunately...

Also, if GM bought it back under the Lemon law.... can they legally resell?... all states have some rules on this but almost all require the seller to notify the buyer that it was a lemon and was purchased back as a lemon... it would also be in the carfacts information. so not likey someone be suprised that it was a lemon.... so he is just simply trying to stir up crap instead of notifying people of the vehicle in question.... seems like just a weak attempt at getting back at GM or something.... not sure but questionable..

oh well.... time to move on... :)

I bought a 96 Chrysler Sebring XJI and found out later the car was returned as a Lemon in California and sold to me in Minnesota. A year later and not even a single issue came up. When I bought it, even the dealer painted the front bumper at no extra cost.

If a technician understand the problem it can be solved for good.

Sorry Rich, you info is out of date. Toyota produces more cars per year world wide than GM. Now when the did that, they suffered HUGE warranty issues a couple years back. Remember the appology they made? Every maker produces problem cars. Hang around any brands service dept and you will hear worse B!tch!ng and problems. In a forum, we always hear the worst of the worst. True or not. As for the Chief, too bad he had such a bad time with his vehicle. Just hope you are proud of the money you send to Communist countries.
Here you go.. http://m.aol.com/dailyfinance/default/articleStory.do?category=main&url=http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/08/05/gm-reclaims-crown-as-no-1-global-car-company/&icid=dsk_df_news. Learn what you're talking about before challenging ME. What I forgot. You haven't learned yet, great intelligent one. Don't know why I am even responding to people that know nothing.

Actually not sure if your info is up-to-date... I am not sure if final numbers are out yet, but GM was expected to overtake this yr.... did anyone actually see the final 2011 numbers yet.... as of October GM was more.... so maybe you have the magic newspaper that has revealed it already, but I dont think they have announced it yet... please share the final numbers because YOU MUST HAVE THEM DUE TO YOUR OUTRIGHT COORECTION OF RICH... please share... I would love to see the final numbers....
Don't listen to people who know nothing . I always backup my statements with facts. http://m.aol.com/dailyfinance/default/articleStory.do?category=main&url=http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/08/05/gm-reclaims-crown-as-no-1-global-car-company/&icid=dsk_df_news

I think we are veering off topic here.

Was about Chief getting rid of his ride, getting a Hyundai and did added a trade in by Lemon Law.

I think we are veering off topic here.

Was about Chief getting rid of his ride, getting a Hyundai and did added a trade in by Lemon Law.
No, they called me out and I proved my point. READ THE WHOLE THREAD. Part of life is when your wrong, you admit it also how many people know this about GM. http://www.torquenews.com/119/patent-board-ranks-gm-no1-again-auto-innovation

I just turned in my '08 MGM G8 to Bunnin Pontiac in Oxnard, Ca. It's a lemon with engine problems. Don't buy it.

VIN 6G2ER57708L124895

That was the 1st post as far I know...

Of course, you have the right to defend your case; however the back and forth correspondence is irrelevant to the original intention of the post :)

I think the moderators should shut it down.. READ THE Full thread.. What am I dealing with..?... Post I said" T H R E A D"

Point taken.

Point taken.

Thank you for understanding and being a gentleman. It has gone well beyond the original posting.. Lol

Thank you for understanding and being a gentleman. It has gone well beyond the original posting.. Lol

Ain't that the truth!

As far as the lemon law, it will be marked on the title as a lemon. The dealer I turned it in to cannot wholesale it out. He can either sale it on his lot and has to disclose it as a lemon buy back or it has to go to auction for GM dealers only. That's what the laywer told me.

The other issues with the G8 are all well documented here on this site. No need for me to rehash them. Just take a gander at the TSB's in the technical forum.

If you haven't had any problems with your G8, good on you. You must have got a mid week car or something. Others like myself wern't so lucky.

And Rich, I do agree with you, the problem could have been fixed. But GM and the dealer refused to admit that anything was wrong, all because it didn't show a check engine light. Second dealer admited that there was a problem. They actually fixed one problem that first dealer said wasn't there. Unfortunatly, GM would not pay under warrenty for second dealer to try and locate the main problem. They wanted me to take it back to the first dealer who would not admit they screwed up and that the crank was out of balance when they installed it. Of course they didn't check it for balance before hand anyways.

So there in lies the problem that I beleive you aluded to. Some dealers have true mechanics, others are just computer button pushers. Unfortunatly, mine was the latter.

You're gonna find the same mix of mechanics at every dealer, regardless of mainstream brand.

Probably. But the guy who screwed my motor up was said to be their top mechanic and they'ed put him up against anyone.

From what I saw/experienced of his work, a high school kid with a auto class proably would have done better.

Wow.
Interesting read.

I will agree that every manufacturer has their issues and that everything can be fixed. Your warranty is only as good as the mechanic fixing it. We had a horrible GM dealer here, but they were the largest in the region I believe, til they went BANKRUPT for their cheating ways.
A G8 was bought back as a lemon, unfortunate. But it does not mean Holden is bad, not that GM is bad and not that G8s are bad. That one was bad or it was cheaper to buy it back or you upset GM and they made you fight. Lemon buyback does not always require lawyers.
We all have stories about how our friend or sister or something had one better. A buddy of mine was offered purchase price returned to him after about 20K miles because of some issues. Corporate GM was never involved and everyone was happy.
Good luck with your hyundai...

G8 gxp with 41k on it and I bet it will stomp that kia/Hyundai ass! I drove a granny coupe before I bought my old speed3. Wow was it a POS. I hope ur r spec is better but for the money I would never buy that car. The day u drove it off the lot u lost 15k. The day I drove my used gxp off the lot I gained 2k. Guys at the Texas mile this weekend will be able to see each others cars and what condition and miles they have. But I promise u there will be no 200mph r spec hyundais there.

G8 gxp with 41k on it and I bet it will stomp that kia/Hyundai ass! I drove a granny coupe before I bought my old speed3. Wow was it a POS. I hope ur r spec is better but for the money I would never buy that car. The day u drove it off the lot u lost 15k. The day I drove my used gxp off the lot I gained 2k. Guys at the Texas mile this weekend will be able to see each others cars and what condition and miles they have. But I promise u there will be no 200mph r spec hyundais there.

No kidding man... Really a Hyundai??? This whole thread was a joke...

On a side note though- There aren't any 200mph g8's though (in the standing mile at least). I'd be happy with 165 and I'm at 500+rwhp. Daniel or wreckwriter might get close. Generally, it takes north of 1,000 hp to earn a 200mph club shirt at the mile.


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I can't believe there are 3 firebirds that have hit 200 and no g8 or gto. I wish the wife would let me spend the coin to make my gxp the first 200 mph g8! I have been over 200 on quite a few occasions but all sport bikes. And before someone asks yes it was gps verified. Zx12 zx10. Both topped 200. Zx10 took a long time.

I can't believe there are 3 firebirds that have hit 200 and no g8 or gto. I wish the wife would let me spend the coin to make my gxp the first 200 mph g8! I have been over 200 on quite a few occasions but all sport bikes. And before someone asks yes it was gps verified. Zx12 zx10. Both topped 200. Zx10 took a long time.


EXTREMELY easy to believe - Firebirds are much lighter, much cheaper to build, have much more aftermarket parts available, etc. etc.

And I also believe you on the ZX10 and 12, only people who wouldn't are those without experience on sportbikes. Tough thing to get right is the gearing...many people think w/ bikes shorter gearing = limited topend, however a couple teeth more in the rear and one down in the front can also give you that "torque thrust" needed to "launch" the bike into higher speeds whereas the stock gearing while theoretically able to attain such speeds is limited by drag and such.

I miss sportbikes but I'm getting too old and nervous to ride anymore...and I'm only 31~!

Look I came from all imports. The only domestic I had before was a Merkur XR4TI. Which was European if anything sans the 4 cylinder turbo motor.

Isn't tough to claim GM as the biggest since it just got bailed out a few years ago? Hell, GM might not even EXIST right now.

Hyundai is a FAST up and coming car maker with agressive designs. I'm so glad they fired their old designers. But, unfortunately, it seems Honda hired them. haha.

The Genesis 5.0 puts out alot of hp per liter. Competes with Ford's 5.0. But how much is left in that motor? 5% 10% max? It would seem that the L76 motor has 50hp (flywheel) available from simple bolt ons and a tune. Add a cam and possibly heads and even more is available.

THAT'S why I jumped from imports to domestic this time. Over 400 streetable hp, on a new chassis that handles with the BMW 550i? All for less than let's say $23k? I'm in on that. Not to mention the great looks of the G8 GT. Thanks Pontiac for not overdoing the body during the rebranding process AND for keeping the chassis tuning intact

Look I came from all imports. The only domestic I had before was a Merkur XR4TI. Which was European if anything sans the 4 cylinder turbo motor.

Isn't tough to claim GM as the biggest since it just got bailed out a few years ago? Hell, GM might not even EXIST right now.

Hyundai is a FAST up and coming car maker with agressive designs. I'm so glad they fired their old designers. But, unfortunately, it seems Honda hired them. haha.

The Genesis 5.0 puts out alot of hp per liter. Competes with Ford's 5.0. But how much is left in that motor? 5% 10% max? It would seem that the L76 motor has 50hp (flywheel) available from simple bolt ons and a tune. Add a cam and possibly heads and even more is available.

THAT'S why I jumped from imports to domestic this time. Over 400 streetable hp, on a new chassis that handles with the BMW 550i? All for less than let's say $23k? I'm in on that. Not to mention the great looks of the G8 GT. Thanks Pontiac for not overdoing the body during the rebranding process AND for keeping the chassis tuning intact

Are we discussing this dead thread again..? First off GM.. North America was the division in trouble.. Do you know how many divisions they have that were making huge profits while they supposedly were loosing $ here. GM is smart, they keep there divisions separate. It wasn't all, just north division. GM bs To get cheap loan.. Fact.. And to renegotiate union's contracts.. They jumped on band Wagon..

They didn't simply get a loan. They need funds asap or else their North American facilities were going to close. GM was one week from closing it's doors here. The Gov't also purchased a ton of GM stock that will hopefully be paid back when it's resold. Not to mention the tax breaks.

I'd say GM out of the big 3, were the worst off of them all. The Saturn Div was in trouble so it was dumped. Pontiac was in trouble so it got dumped (I'm mad about that one). Buick was saved because it was doing well in China.

I would say Ford was the only one that really could be defined as getting a loan to get themselves out of trouble.

Man! I just read this intire thread. Just think how slow my Friday at work is. Wooops am I off the topic?

Where u from in Pittsburgh. I grew up in McCandless and went to high school at north allegheny.

Where u from in Pittsburgh. I grew up in McCandless and went to high school at north allegheny.
Grad from Shaler in 78. Moved to Butler county in 87 near Saxonburg. Still concider myself from D'burgh.

My family live in zeli and off route 8 south of butler. I almost miss it up there. Until it snows anyway!

Wow, this thing got brought up again? Someone must really be bored.

And mr GXP, just an FYI, Completely stock R Spec ran a 4.6 0-60 and did the quarter in 12.78. All they did was turn off the ESP. ;)
And if you check this site: http://www.zeroto60times.com you may find that the R spec stock for stock is even with the GXP in the 1/4. :)

I'm not exactly sure what happened to my car but they are advertising a '09 V6 G8 at the lot. Looks exactly like mine, GT tails and all, but mine was an '08.

13.3 is just about every magazine Times.
http://m.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1107_2012_hyundai_genesis_5_0_r_spec_test/index.html

http://www.zeroto60times.com/Hyundai-0-60-mph-Times.html

Still a wanna be 5 series and 50k.

I've been quiet because I don't mind the genesis but...seriously man, it's time to go away. You sold your v6 4 months ago. Most tests show low to mid 13s for the rspec and cornering, forget about it. It cost $8k more than a gxp to boot. Its a fine automobile until you realize in 2 years its worth less than a 5 year old gxp.