I am currently looking at lowering my G8 GT about 1.2 - 1.5 inches (in around there).

I checked on Pedder's site and I'm not sure what I should even be looking at. There are so many options to choose and I would hate to choose the wrong parts.

For example part #2954 (Zeta Front Coil 642mm with 19"). How should I be understanding that.

Any help or am I just on crack.

I am currently looking at lowering my G8 GT about 1.2 - 1.5 inches (in around there).

I checked on Pedder's site and I'm not sure what I should even be looking at. There are so many options to choose and I would hate to choose the wrong parts.

For example part #2954 (Zeta Front Coil 642mm with 19"). How should I be understanding that.

Any help or am I just on crack.

They measure from the lower lip of the fender well right above the wheel center down the the edge of the wheel rim closest to the ground. On mine, their drop springs lowered the front about .7" and the rear about 1.2". With so many collapsed strut mounts the front stock height can vary 4 mm but you get the idea.

2955 and 2954 are the springs you are going to want with the g8

perfect stance

I highly recommend new strut mounts and bearings


if you can swing it budget wise.....add a rear subframe bushing set and differential bushing set and radius rod bushings in front....then get the strut and shocks to compliment it all and you my friend have a world class handling car

Awesome. Thanks guys. That is what I was needing to know.

I was looking at the GM G8 DROP SS kit. I do plan on getting 19's so I think this is the option to go with.

let me know if you need anything I offer free shipping to the cont. 48 states

let me know if you need anything I offer free shipping to the cont. 48 states

how much to Canada

You can use this to check your ride heights in reference to where the Pedders springs will be

Shipping to Canada would be about $30, give me a call on Monday if it's something that you wanted to get. I have both in stock, as does Mike

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Wretched.....fill me in on what Pedders goodies will be best suited for helping me hook up at the track. Keep in mind a torque convertor is coming........soon. Thanks! Jay

Is your budget more than $200? lol

It honestly depends on how much you'd like change, and what your biggest problems are at the track.

Wretched.....fill me in on what Pedders goodies will be best suited for helping me hook up at the track. Keep in mind a torque convertor is coming........soon. Thanks! Jay
Getting traction on a G8 is not that hard. After spending quite a bit of time on the G8, there are a couple of things to improve what I think are the drag race stuff. (I am assuming this this the track you mentioned since you did a convertor:

1. Rear xmember bush inserts
2. Rear diff bushings,
3. Siffer springs and shocks.

#1 is very easy to do
#2 is easy to do with the correct bushing press
#3 requires careful assembly, transferring the 2 spring wraps

mike
dms

2955 and 2954 are the springs you are going to want with the g8

perfect stance

I highly recommend new strut mounts and bearings


if you can swing it budget wise.....add a rear subframe bushing set and differential bushing set and radius rod bushings in front....then get the strut and shocks to compliment it all and you my friend have a world class handling car

sorry to interupt this thread
will these springs work with a 20 inch wheel, assuming the correct offset and width of tire is used, cause if they will I will order them this coming week

thanks Mike

Getting traction on a G8 is not that hard. After spending quite a bit of time on the G8, there are a couple of things to improve what I think are the drag race stuff. (I am assuming this this the track you mentioned since you did a convertor:

1. Rear xmember bush inserts
2. Rear diff bushings,
3. Siffer springs and shocks.

#1 is very easy to do
#2 is easy to do with the correct bushing press
#3 requires careful assembly, transferring the 2 spring wraps

mike
dms

I agree these things will help but I think in the end there will be more needed (lower control arms come to mind).

As for #3, can this be done without lowering the car?

Mike, can you give us an approx cost for the items you mention above, incl installation at our local (or in my case not) Pedders dealer?

Thanks!

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Just looking for a guesstimate.

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[Dr Evil] One Billion Dollars! [/Dr evil]

:wink2:

Likely only a bit over reality! :)

I agree these things will help but I think in the end there will be more needed (lower control arms come to mind).

As for #3, can this be done without lowering the car?

Mike, can you give us an approx cost for the items you mention above, incl installation at our local (or in my case not) Pedders dealer?

Thanks!

I will give some approx costs, but keep in mind labor rates vary extremely accross the country. Here is a price based on New Era, our newest Pedders dealer in Rochester, NY:

1. EP1169 GM Zeta Extreme Sub-Frame Connector Kit $238.99 plus $75 labor, totalling $314

2. EP1167 GM Zeta Differential Bush Kit $108.36 totalling $259

3. 2955 GM Zeta Rear Spring Ride Height: 624mm with 19" Wheels $89.62
2955 GM Zeta Rear Spring Ride Height: 624mm with 19" Wheels $89.62
9295 GM Zeta GSR Rear Strut $178.36
9295 GM Zeta GSR Rear Strut $178.36
$538 in parts, $150 install, totalling $688 plus alignment

pedders does have OE height springs.

Hope this helps.

mike
dms

thanks Mike. that's less than i expected.

1. EP1169 GM Zeta Extreme Sub-Frame Connector Kit $238.99 plus $75 labor, totalling $314

looking all over and cannot find anyone, including you, offering subframe connectors for the G8. Are these just bushings or actually connectors?

Bushings, I don't believe that sub frame connectors are going to be a useful upgrade on the G8.

Bushings, I don't believe that sub frame connectors are going to be a useful upgrade on the G8.

Why not? They are on most unibody cars, no?

looking all over and cannot find anyone, including you, offering subframe connectors for the G8. Are these just bushings or actually connectors?

They are actualy inserts that fill in all the voids of the top and bottom of each of the 4 bushings. They make a huge difference in handling.

I do not think anyone at this point offers any of th bushings except us

thanks
mike
dms

Why not? They are on most unibody cars, no?

Most unibody cars flex a lot, the G8 doesn't.

Camaro's were much improved with the SFC's, but the GTO wasn't improved very much, and the G8 will be even less improved. I don't want to say that it would be a complete waste of money, but it would be close to it.

Maybe you're right.

Speaking for myself only of course, one thing I see is that your components appear to be primarily road racing components. Most G8 owners, I believe probably a very large percentage, are going to be more interested in straight line 1/4 mile performance. Were it me I would probably come out with a line of parts specifically designed towards this.

Obviously that's not my call and doesn't appear that it's going to be the case. Eventually. BMR or someone else will come out with this stuff, possibly even at reasonable prices. My guess would would be that your market share will shrink significantly when that happens.

our products work well in drag racing also, but dedicated drag racing parts in a G8 would have a very small market due to the fact that only a very small percentage of people would do this type of mod to their G8.

I'm sure BMR will come out with SFC's but it's not really going to make the difference that may be expected. BMR makes some good stuff, don't get me wrong.

our products work well in drag racing also, but dedicated drag racing parts in a G8 would have a very small market due to the fact that only a very small percentage of people would do this type of mod to their G8.

I'm sure BMR will come out with SFC's but it's not really going to make the difference that may be expected. BMR makes some good stuff, don't get me wrong.

Seems to me it would be the other way around, more folks would buy the drag parts. Perhaps you're right. Either way, I guess we'll find out in time. I just wish they would hurry up. I want some parts designed for what I do.

maybe i'm wrong, either way... i don't have a say in what gets done anyhow. lol

maybe i'm wrong, either way... i don't have a say in what gets done anyhow. lol

I know you don't, I'm not getting on you, just frustrated at lack of what I feel are essential parts.

It seems to me like Pedder's oversells their product, and that is kinda scaring people from upgrading. For instance, when someone hears "race" they are probably scared about the ride quality, no matter how much you reassure them that it's not much worse.

BMR seems to do a better job at marketing it as just an upgrade. Here's the fault, here's how we fix it vs what appears to be as a Pedder's go all out and fix everything that GM did to not make the G8 an M5.

Maybe my observation isn't correct, that's just what it looks like to me.

It seems to me like Pedder's oversells their product, and that is kinda scaring people from upgrading. For instance, when someone hears "race" they are probably scared about the ride quality, no matter how much you reassure them that it's not much worse.

BMR seems to do a better job at marketing it as just an upgrade. Here's the fault, here's how we fix it vs what appears to be as a Pedder's go all out and fix everything that GM did to not make the G8 an M5.

Maybe my observation isn't correct, that's just what it looks like to me.

I see a lot of truth in that. I also see a big difference in the pushing of items as packages rather than the individual components. The packages, even with the great discounts being offered for training and such, still cost as much as a good used car. That's what keeps me away more than anything else and I'd bet most others too.

I'm not sure if anyone has noticed, but i have the parts listed individually on my site, and have not added any packages yet.

i'm guess not.

The Track 2 is a very big upgrade, but by no means do we say that you need to do it all at the same time. Most of the GTO members upgrade in steps, but once they get a taste, they tend to eventually complete their system.

I know they're available, just the big push from the Pedders guys seems to be the big pricey packages.

edit, i don't see in this thread anyone saying that you need to do a Track 2 either, every post is about what individual parts would be best for the situation.

Not trying to be to blunt, just trying to figure out where your coming from

Nope, you're right, I was not speaking of this thread, nor of you. Just giving a general impression which is my opinion only.

WW,
and no offense to Rob but you might want to get a hold of Frank Beck at Rocksand Racing. He is also a Pedders dealer and sports a 10.03 @137 mph 6.0L GTO with some selected Pedders suspension parts to help get the power to the ground.

WW,
and no offense to Rob but you might want to get a hold of Frank Beck at Rocksand Racing. He is also a Pedders dealer and sports a 10.03 @137 mph 6.0L GTO with some selected Pedders suspension parts to help get the power to the ground.

lol, ya, Franks car is scary fast!

Thanks guys. Have done so.

I think one of the reasons for all the discussions on TrackII has to do that we use the TrackII as a training vehicle. But the TrackII is not Pedders bread and butter. It is our near premuim package. We have discussed benifits on many of the critical components to educate and allow all of you to ask questions be informed, and ask questions.

We do have quite a few systems listed for all to look.

We have marketed our suspension system as a performance suspension system. So far with the exception of the front strut bushing concern, we have not had to put any packages together for tire wear concerns like the GTO.

So I am not sure why you think we have trying to oversell. We have been educating

mike
dms

We do Run the Fastest PEDDERS Car On The Planet with Off The Shelf Parts.....Frank
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p310/rocksandracing/DSC01585.jpg

Within GM the engineers would debate the winner, but the ZETA and 322 are the most structurally sound ever designed and built by GM. Unlike the typical unibody that has been referenced in this thread, the ZETA based G8 does not require sub-frame connectors for use at the drag strip. That is a fix that was absolutely required on many vehicles in the past -- past being the operative word. You won't need a screw driver to hold the choke open on your G8 any more than you need sub-frame connectors on your G8.

I have flogged my G8 at the strip, autocross and road course. I believe that the strut tower bar we manufacture and have installed on my personal G8 serves a clear function when the car is pushed exceptionally hard. I had more than 5K on the bar before I noticed two small cuts into the hood blanket after a very demanding road course test day. I reported my findings to those at GM who have intimate knowledge of the ZETA platform. They feel the cuts were created by hood flutter or shake and the need and function of a strut tower bar is absolutely minimal.

That said, the ZETA II based GS Camaro being built for the Grand Am Challenge, cars that use some of the STREET parts Pedders manufactures for the G8 are equipped with full cages. The full cages do function as a structural reinforcement. The GS Camaro will also sport a strut tower bar.

The point is, until your G8 is a dedicated road race race or drag race vehicle running substantially more rubber than will fit within the constraints of a stock body G8, there is no need for sub-frame connectors. The #1 need for a drag racer will be Pedders sub-frame bush kit EP1169 along with the differential bush kit EP1167 at #2. For drag, road course and or autocross the front hydraulically damped radius rod bushes as supplied by GM are not well suited. There is a reason Pedders was brought into the GS Camaro project and it was the OE hydraulically damped bushes are exceptionally civil on the street, but are not suited to track use. #3 Pedders EP6560 radius rod bushes allow your front suspension to not only be more controlled with driver inputs, but are essential for stopping in these exceptionally demanding conditions.

When you spend a billion dollars on a RWD global chassis you should get a great car. IMO, GM has delivered nothing short of an absolutely amazing car in the G8 and it does not need sub-frame connectors.

We do Run the Fastest PEDDERS Car On The Planet with Off The Shelf Parts.....Frank
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p310/rocksandracing/DSC01585.jpg

Does Pedders really have most of the fastest GTO on the drag strip?

Does Pedders have the ONLY GTOs that have ever won an SCCA sanctioned road course event?

Does Pedders have the fastest GTOs at the annual GTOAA Autocross?

:us_flag: Frank, are you sure about that? :aus_flag:

So how many GTOs does Rocksand Racing support for the drag strip?

It seems to me like Pedder's oversells their product, and that is kinda scaring people from upgrading. For instance, when someone hears "race" they are probably scared about the ride quality, no matter how much you reassure them that it's not much worse.

BMR seems to do a better job at marketing it as just an upgrade. Here's the fault, here's how we fix it vs what appears to be as a Pedder's go all out and fix everything that GM did to not make the G8 an M5.

Maybe my observation isn't correct, that's just what it looks like to me.
Interesting post. Pedders does go through the entire suspension system with the end result being a race ready upgrade. Pedders does NOT make race parts. Our parts are designed to deliver OE like ride properties with racer sharp handling. The car should drive like a race car, but ride like a comfortable daily driver. The confusion comes when Pedders street parts out perform brand x race parts.

Riley Technologies is the exclusive builder for the GS Camaro to be run as a dedicated race car in the Grand Am Challenge. The car will use six different Pedders street parts. Five of them are shared components with the G8. What makes us so proud, is that GM and Riley find our street parts to be suited for serious track use.

The range of parts allows the consumer to select exactly what they want their G8 to do. There are inherent flaws in all cars just as there are inherent strengths. I'll run a short list for the G8.

1. Sub-Frame Bush Inserts EP1169. The OE NVH voided and compliant bushes allow to much sub-frame movement where the bolts and bushes hold it to the monocoque. The fix is simple and direct. Our bits fill the voids in the factory bushes. This reduces the amount of movement. Reducing the movement controls rear end step out and improve drag launches. Sub-frame connectors, if and when they are made available will not address this fundamental weakness. In short, unless you drive slow, you will be happier in your G8 with a EP1169 installed. It will not change your ride quality. It will just add control.

2. The OE rear coils sit too tall and both the front and rear coils are light in rate. The fix is simple and direct. Replace then with OE height of drop coils from Pedders. This change takes much of the float out of the suspension. Combined with the sub-frame bushes, the difference is amazing.

3. To deliver the G8 at the current price point the four struts from the factory are NG -- No Gas. They are basic air and oil dampers with a bias toward comfort. Replace them with Pedders GSR. The suspension in the G8 is so elegant, that with higher rate coils and higher rate dampers the ride is European luxury / performance. 1,2 &3 you'll think you purchased a higher priced German car with a B in it.

4. Radius Rod Bushes are Hydraulically Damped. This is a refinement that is acceptable for many drivers. It is not acceptable for the enthusiast driver. There is too much ride control and too little control of the radius rod arm. If you track your car there is no question that the bush should be replaced before your first track session. What you will get from installing the EP6560 is great control of the radius rod arm under all conditions, but especially under high demand braking. Your steering will be more accurate. Your pedal feel will improve. The car will take on a more precise feel.

These are the essentials for the G8. They do not make the car a boy racer rock hard great for the track but I don't like to drive it anymore weekend warrior. They take a very good Pontiac G8 and makes is a stunning Pontiac G8 that feels as though it should have been delivered that way from the factory.

Don't take my word on this. Get a copy of High Performance Pontiac, the January issue that comes out in late October. We have been working with High Performance Pontiac on the Pedderisation of VIN 001. The installation has been completed as has the testing.

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Part II that includes testing will follow in January. High Performance Pontiac has been exceptionally professional making our experience memorable. They were kind enough to allow us to release this sneak peek. I can't spill all the beans, I can say that they are beyond pleased with the results -- maybe more along the lines of stunned. Subjectively they like it. The testing proves why. We would have to work really hard to oversell the results of our products installed on your G8.

OK guys, I was wondering if I would just be able to change the rear springs on my G8 just to level off the car. I was thinking of using:
Pedders GM Zeta Rear Spring Ride Height: 642mm with 19" Wheels
and thats it. Would this be possible or would I have to go in and change other components as well?

OK guys, I was wondering if I would just be able to change the rear springs on my G8 just to level off the car. I was thinking of using:
Pedders GM Zeta Rear Spring Ride Height: 642mm with 19" Wheels
and thats it. Would this be possible or would I have to go in and change other components as well?

You can do it, but the problem is balance. The spring rates are significantly higher than OEM, and balance is something you should think about. I perdsonslly would not do it

mike
dms

thanks for your quick response, but could you elaborate more on the balance issues?

The car is amazingly well balanced front to rear. Increasing the rear spring rate and not increasing the front ratewouls tighten up the rear in relation to the front. As the G8 does not suffer from the plow that the GTO does, this isn't the end of the world. Would it be perfect -- no. Would it be unnaceptable -- no.

If you are trying to stay on a small mod budget, can we talk you into rear coils and dampers now -- matching our SportRyder coils to our Gas SportsRyder dampers delivers amazing results -- and then switching the front coils and dampers out if a few months you would be on a path to an amazingly good G8 that looks great, rides great and has improved handling over the OE bits.

I am sorry I did not respond fast enough. Been on a airplane/travel since 8:00am. Landed in North Carolina, and drove to Martinsville, Va. Its (9:15 by biological clock time) but will get up at a ridiculus hour to get acclimated to a 3 hour difference. The things I do to make sure our new dealers are trained!!

Anyways, what Pete said is true. In this day and age, budgets are a really big deal and we understand. But long term versus short term issues really need to be considered. Raising the spring rates, which teh G8 desparately needs, really requires a far superior strut, which the OEM one is not. Balance to me is important and the G8 is balanced, even though the spring rates our low. But b eing cost effective, it costs/takes the same amount of time/labor to do springs or springs and struts. If the budget allows, you should do all at the same time. But if you cannot, do one set with the understanding within a month or so, doing the other set. I would not go nuts driivng the car until you have balance

thanks
mike
dms

thank you guys for your responses. time to start saving for all 4 springs and struts.

My only problem with Pedders is the price, if you guys can do a springs, shocks, struts. I was reading that these parts cost as much as 1500 dollars. In my opinion that is way too much.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but the fact is that Pedders does not make bargain basement parts, and bargain basement prices.

We make Premium Parts with a Premium Warranty.

Some people prefer to choose the lowest cost option, while others choose to buy something that is a bit better quality.

Either way you choose i wish you the best.

4 Pedders SportsRyder Coils, each coil verified under load to be withing 2mm of specified height as opposed to the industry standard of 15mm

4 Pedders Gas SportRyder Struts, each pressure tested before it is labeled and boxed, opposed to the industry standard of spot testing.

2 Pedders Severe Duty Cycle Strut Mounts, Pedders 5851 IS the industry standard for the VZ and VE chassis

2 Pedders 5030 Strut bearings

1 Set of 5421 eXtreme Castor lock washers to set maximum castor on your G8, the exact same bits specified for use by GM Racing for the GS Grand Am Challenge GS Camaro

All of this for ONLY $1,500.

The best warranty in the industry that covers not only the dampers but even the bushes in the dampers, as opposed to the industry standard of excluding bushes from damper warranty.

No racing or speed contest exclusion as opposed to the industry standard of "we sell racing parts, but if you enter a speed contest your warranty is void".

No hassle warranty as our Dealers stock the bits they sell and actually provide LIVE Customer Service.

Each Pedders DEALER has warranty authority as opposed to mail in your strut and if we determine it is bas we'll replace it... while your car sits on jack stands.

The BEST Dealer Network in the aftermarket industry is the Pedders Dealer Network.

Cheap has nothing to do with value or we would all be driving a Tata made in India. For those that want the best for thier G8, GTO, Camaro, GMT900, Charger, Magnum, Challenger, 300C and other Pedders supported vehicles they understand the value that is provided by our Dealers and our Products. For a G8, there is no better value than a Pedders Touring Package:

https://secure.merlinsoftware.com.au/peddersusa/default.aspx?ProdCode=GM+G8+OE+TOURING&Level1=PONTIAC&Level2=G8

Pete,
Does the touring package come with installation instructions? I remember hearing that there was a trick to installing the front coils properly.

You don't give a "local" discount, do you? :)
My parents are practically your neighbors.

Pete,
Does the touring package come with installation instructions? I remember hearing that there was a trick to installing the front coils properly.

You don't don't give a "local" discount, do you? :)
My parents practically live next door to you.
I know the weather was MISERABLE last Saturday, but you should have come out to the Pedders Day at Witt. He had a smoking Dealer for the 1st G8 35% off Parts and Labor!!!

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We played in the garage with a few cars after the event ended at 2. A couple of guys stayed while we played. The rain finally stopped about 4:00 so we took a couple of pictures - but ist started rainiing while we were doing that. Even with the rotten weather we had a nice group of cars and people. Car guys are diehards. Appearently Camaro and Corvette guys are tougher than the Pontiac group :slap:

PM your contact information. I'll hook you up with William Witt. :wink2:

Pete,
Does the touring package come with installation instructions? I remember hearing that there was a trick to installing the front coils properly.

You don't give a "local" discount, do you? :)
My parents are practically your neighbors.

We will have a "supplemental instructions in each spring and shock soon. There are sone oddiites with the front and rear coils and struts. Spring insolators need to be transfered, precise assembly of the strut to upper spring seat, to spring, to coil wraps front and rear have to be right on.

mike
dms

what is the easy way to intall the diff bushing

what is the easy way to intall the diff bushing

You need to support the rear diff, nd emove the 4 bolts holding the cradle. The fronts you have to lower enough to go past the line up pins. then you install the specific top/bottom inserts. They go in easily and are totally unique front and rear The job should take about 1 hour or so.


Go to: http://rides.webshots.com/album/565293362RwypFx

Here you can seet he install of of the bushes o Mike Haddad's G8

mike
dms

You need to support the rear diff, nd emove the 4 bolts holding the cradle. The fronts you have to lower enough to go past the line up pins. then you install the specific top/bottom inserts. They go in easily and are totally unique front and rear The job should take about 1 hour or so.


Go to: http://rides.webshots.com/album/565293362RwypFx

Here you can seet he install of of the bushes o Mike Haddad's G8

mike
dms

Actually installing a Brand New Diff, was wondering if there was a way folks were doing it without the tool? Or is anyone willing to rent me the tool, I will leave full deposit and provide label both ways for shipping?

Shaun
(706) 536-4114

Actually installing a Brand New Diff, was wondering if there was a way folks were doing it without the tool? Or is anyone willing to rent me the tool, I will leave full deposit and provide label both ways for shipping?

Shaun
(706) 536-4114

the GM tool cost about $600 and as far as I know, as of a couple of months ago, GM still has not issued any of the essential tools for the chasis.

Pedders had the tools custom made for its dealers only. You can probably have something made.

mike

Hey guys,

The boys at Modern Muscle have been working REALLY hard this week. We have done 3 Track 2s, and 2 touring packages. We do have another touring package tomorrow.

As a special note, Pete Basica will be driving down tonight with his hot G8 with a blower and a the EXtreme Package installed. This is the best handling G8 in the world!!!!!!!!!! Pete will offer roadtests for all G8 owners who require it
Pete will offer his G8 for rides and technical info. This is a really great opportunity to see what Pedders has to offer for the G8 community.

We will have lots of poeple here.

As a special note, Ryan Diem, operator/owner of Modern Muscle is scheduled to show. You all should know who he is being the most active football fanatics in with world!!


The G8 gods have given us perfect weather. To have both Pete and me at the same event is a big deal. So if you have G8 issues, you should come on down. We will do 28 point inspections on all G8 that want them.

See you all tomorrow. I am really excited about it

mike
dms
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Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but the fact is that Pedders does not make bargain basement parts, and bargain basement prices.

We make Premium Parts with a Premium Warranty.

Some people prefer to choose the lowest cost option, while others choose to buy something that is a bit better quality.

Either way you choose i wish you the best.

I must agree with this. I have added bushings, shocks, sways and springs to other cars in the past. Either the kits were incomplete, to aggressive or they were just not the quality I was expecting. I was very apprehensive when I first decided to spend the money on a full Pedder’s suspension, but after the final install I was sure I got my money's worth. You pay the extra for three reasons when you buy Pedder's; Quality, Great Ride and Unbelievable handling. I was not even including the amazing stance afterward. Just my .02 Now for another shameless picture post of my G8GT ;)

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--Mike

Since I purchased my 2008 G8 GT, I learned there are no GM performance parts available. The Pontiac Service Center informs me if I change my exhaust , air filters, tunes or any thing else, my warranty will be void 100%. GM Offers no upgrades and allows no aftermarket upgrades. Apparently they now what’s best
and have made that decision for us. I love my new G8 but it does need some upgrades. The Ford Mustang Bullitt was the only other car I considered , but went with the G8 GT. I thought a few simple mod’s (exhaust) and I would have the better car. This may have been a mistake. Unfortunately I will need to forfeit my warranty to achieve this. This is my third consecutive new GM purchase . It just may be my last.

Pedders is very serious about processes and procedures on our bits. There is no accessary company that I am aware of, that will send a guy like me to a Pedders dealer, and rain them in the art of Pedderization. It is a big deal and a worth while deal to have a dealer trained. No other suspension company in the world will do this. No other suspension company in the world gives you phone numbers and access to all if you have questions or concerns. We are here for this community, ad preach driving one of our PEDDERIZED G8s before you make a purchase.


mike
dms

Since I purchased my 2008 G8 GT, I learned there are no GM performance parts available. The Pontiac Service Center informs me if I change my exhaust , air filters, tunes or any thing else, my warranty will be void 100%. GM Offers no upgrades and allows no aftermarket upgrades. Apparently they now what’s best
and have made that decision for us. I love my new G8 but it does need some upgrades. The Ford Mustang Bullitt was the only other car I considered , but went with the G8 GT. I thought a few simple mod’s (exhaust) and I would have the better car. This may have been a mistake. Unfortunately I will need to forfeit my warranty to achieve this. This is my third consecutive new GM purchase . It just may be my last.

Don't leave GM, just find another dealer.

Service department says it’s no longer between costumer and mechanic. A GM representative has to be called on all major engine repairs . It is completely out of there hands. There may soon be a lot of very unhappy G8 owners. I’m also told GM is watching G8 GT’s very closely.

Since I purchased my 2008 G8 GT, I learned there are no GM performance parts available. The Pontiac Service Center informs me if I change my exhaust , air filters, tunes or any thing else, my warranty will be void 100%. GM Offers no upgrades and allows no aftermarket upgrades. Apparently they now what’s best
and have made that decision for us. I love my new G8 but it does need some upgrades. The Ford Mustang Bullitt was the only other car I considered , but went with the G8 GT. I thought a few simple mod’s (exhaust) and I would have the better car. This may have been a mistake. Unfortunately I will need to forfeit my warranty to achieve this. This is my third consecutive new GM purchase . It just may be my last.

Don't leave GM, just find another dealer.

+1
Moss Magnuson Act says that it's not legal for the dealer to do this.

Thanks for the help but still unsure, lot of money at stake. GM can probably find a better lagal team than me.

I was leaning more towards kooks headers and exhaust, dyno tune, roto fab air intake, you know.

Service department says it’s no longer between costumer and mechanic. A GM representative has to be called on all major engine repairs . It is completely out of there hands. There may soon be a lot of very unhappy G8 owners. I’m also told GM is watching G8 GT’s very closely.

You said the warranty would be "void 100%", which to me means that the power windows as well as the cruise control would not be warranted items anymore. If you are talking about the driveline (i.e. engine, transmission, driveshaft, rear end gears) then you would most likely be correct. I have seen warranties voided because of crappy CAI installs that lean out the A/F, resulting in blown motors.

To me this is a good thing. As a consumer, I don't think I should be paying a higher price for my vehicle, just because you installed a CAI and blew your motor, because you didn't get a tune. However, items that don't affect the operation of the engine (i.e. catback) will not affect your tuning and there is no way GM or even God would go to court on that....if all you did was install a catback, your warranty would be as good as gold.

Since I purchased my 2008 G8 GT, I learned there are no GM performance parts available. The Pontiac Service Center informs me if I change my exhaust , air filters, tunes or any thing else, my warranty will be void 100%. GM Offers no upgrades and allows no aftermarket upgrades. Apparently they now what’s best
and have made that decision for us. I love my new G8 but it does need some upgrades. The Ford Mustang Bullitt was the only other car I considered , but went with the G8 GT. I thought a few simple mod’s (exhaust) and I would have the better car. This may have been a mistake. Unfortunately I will need to forfeit my warranty to achieve this. This is my third consecutive new GM purchase . It just may be my last.

If they do this, they are violating the Magnesson Moss Act!. Now if you put something on your G8 and it causes a problem, and does damage, then you are the owner of the problem. And if there is a grey area, the law states that the manufacture has to prove the component caused the problem

mike
dms

+1
Moss Magnuson Act says that it's not legal for the dealer to do this.

--Mike

Howdy folks! Well, I picked up my G8 tonight, so it's time to start looking at mods. This time at least I waited until AFTER I bought the car. In 2005, I got in on a GP that Mike (then with DMS) put together for Baer brakes...and I hadn't even bought my GTO first.

Let me know if you need a Pedders volunteer down south. Although I need to recover from the $30k outlay for the car, if there is going to be an opportunity for some discounted parts/install, I am IN!

Howdy folks! Well, I picked up my G8 tonight, so it's time to start looking at mods. This time at least I waited until AFTER I bought the car. In 2005, I got in on a GP that Mike (then with DMS) put together for Baer brakes...and I hadn't even bought my GTO first.

Let me know if you need a Pedders volunteer down south. Although I need to recover from the $30k outlay for the car, if there is going to be an opportunity for some discounted parts/install, I am IN!

So where do you live?

mike
dms (the original dms)

Service department says it’s no longer between costumer and mechanic. A GM representative has to be called on all major engine repairs . It is completely out of there hands. There may soon be a lot of very unhappy G8 owners. I’m also told GM is watching G8 GT’s very closely.

If the engine comes apart on this pig, then that will be an excuse to build a stroker.

:wink2:

Howdy folks! Well, I picked up my G8 tonight, so it's time to start looking at mods. This time at least I waited until AFTER I bought the car. In 2005, I got in on a GP that Mike (then with DMS) put together for Baer brakes...and I hadn't even bought my GTO first.

Let me know if you need a Pedders volunteer down south. Although I need to recover from the $30k outlay for the car, if there is going to be an opportunity for some discounted parts/install, I am IN!
Reeves Pontiac Buick is your Pedders Dealer. Jamie Smith has been with Reeves for 15 years. The service department is off the charts with 30 some odd bays, epoxy floor clean enough to eat off, Erik is their lead Pedders Tech and loves working on customer cars with owners they love their cars as much as he does. Miles Reeves and Jamey are committed to eXtreme customer satisfaction. It will be a lot like being at DMS, but occasionally with some snow and Jamey doesn't wear glasses and Erik is 15 years younger than Pete and they don't have earthquakes....

Give Jamey a call.

So where do you live?

mike
dms (the original dms)


I KNOW you are the ORIGINAL DMS! Is there any other?:slap: You and I spoke on the phone when I ordered my brakes (before I even got the car as noted).

I am in Birmingham. Vengeance racing outside of ATL is about 2.5 hrs away.

So...if you decide to do anything in GA/AL/TN let me know!

Reeves Pontiac Buick is your Pedders Dealer.Sorry, Pete. Indiana is waaaay north of here!

Ahhhhh....wait a minute. I said I am IN, not in IN! Took me a minute to figure that one out. Sorry for the unnecessary capitalization.


Anyway, further thoughts: a friend who also likes performance cars said "don't touch the suspension 'cause it rides so good" during our spin today. I told him that Pedders has it NAILED and the ride quality won't suffer.

you can reassure me if you'd like...

Ahhhh....hello...DMS...are you out there? Check your pm's...

Ahhhh....hello...DMS...are you out there? Check your pm's...

DMS HAS NOT LEFT THE BUILDING!!
LOL. I HAVE NO PMS AS OF THIS POST

MIKE
DMS

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