March 777
April 2126
May 1831
June 1536
July 1472
August 1915

Total to Date 9657

Employee pricing is gonna help with September! :) Thanks for the post!

Employee pricing is gonna help with September! :) Thanks for the post!



It's a shame this is the only way they can move vehicles but it pays to be patient. I wonder how all the idiot dealers who were charging $3000 premiums on these back in April and May are doing? I'm glad I waited......saved myself $2500.

I know I'm one of the 1915.

I know I'm one of the 1472 :D

I'm at my dealer right now waiting for some warranty work and I asked one of the sales managers about this. He said unless they are just plain stupid, they would not go above GMS pricing. Who would buy from them if they did?:slap:

i'm one as well

August was a strong month...

1 of 1915 here :)

maybe they can reach 20000 in the 1st year, just a little better than the gto i think.

The employee pricing is just for the 08's correct???? That was what i had seen anyway. Too bad there are no 08's left anywhere around here. In fact there are no 09's in my city but there are some within driving distance 80-250 miles.

Now it applies to the 2008 AND the 2009 !

I'm one of the 777. :)

i was told today only 08 g8.

I read today on Car and Driver online that Holden is capable of shipping 3000 to 4000 vehicles a month. The reason this was brought up was that there are rumors of opening a U.S. assembly line but they mentioned waiting until 2 years just to make sure the interest stays.

i was told today only 08 g8.


You were told wrong.



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The employee pricing are for 09's as well. I stopped by one of the dealers in my area tonight and none of the 09's have addendum's, However, the other dealer close to my house has them on the 09's.

The salesman I have bought from in the past called two days ago to let me know about the 09's and employee pricing.

Some dealers may not be passing the saving on just yet. Unless you ask them. Not sure they could get away with this, but who knows??

I'm one of the "x" amount for September and very happy with the car. This is my first post here and many more to come I'm sure. I need to read through the archives in order to avoid re-posts.

Looking forward to learning, communicating and enjoying this forum.

I'm one of the "x" amount for September and very happy with the car. This is my first post here and many more to come I'm sure. I need to read through the archives in order to avoid re-posts.

Looking forward to learning, communicating and enjoying this forum.

WELCOME! Nice to see somebody understands how to use the search and archives. A lot of good info has passed by to the world of yesterday!

I'm a 1915'er as well!

F'ING LOVE THIS CAR!!!

I picked up mine on 1 September, so I guess I call myself #1 of xxx in September.:)
Tate

I picked up mine on 1 September, so I guess I call myself #1 of xxx in September.

"August" ended with deliveries of September 2nd. A "Sales Month" isn't the same as a "Calender Month" sometimes.

I stopped by one of the dealers in my area tonight and none of the 09's have addendum's, However, the other dealer close to my house has them on the 09's.

The Employee Price For Everyone (round 2) stickers only started arriving at dealerships on Thursday (the day you were out looking).

The package our dealership received didn't include any of the 2009 models that were not covered in the first round. So didn't get any for the G8s or Torrents or G6s in stock.


UPDATE
An additional shipment of stickers arrived today.

I see that sales of the G8 is increasing, but can someone fill me in on the exact numbers for the V6 and exact numbers for the GT? I was more curious on knowing the numbers separately.

Im pretty sure its extremely close to 50/50. With this being a muscle car that emphasizes burnouts, doughnuts, drag races, etc., the V8 is clearly the most popular, but i have seen a hell of a lot of G8 V6s on the highway(not saying very much). MPG isnt very far apart, but anyone that doesnt know or study cars very well(women :wall:) will instantly think to buy the V6 over the V8, instinctively because it has two cylinders less.

Anyone want to fill me in or point out a link to me?

maybe they can reach 20000 in the 1st year, just a little better than the gto i think.

They already pass the GTO in monthly sales. They sold less than 29000 in 3years.

The G8 is better value, IMHO.

They better sell a heck of a lot more than 20,000 per year. THere are over 2700 pontiac dealers in the U.S. at 20,000 that's less than 1 G8 sold per dealer.

They better sell a heck of a lot more than 20,000 per year. THere are over 2700 pontiac dealers in the U.S. at 20,000 that's less than 1 G8 sold per dealer.

But have all the dealers received a G8? :wink2:

i seen it on the gm web site too but still told on sep 5 no.

Anyone seen the Wall Street Journal on Tue Sept 9 (marketplace section), an article called "Unpopular Models Slow Down GM"? They point out the G8 as one of the cars pulling down GM with only 1900+ cars sold in August, and specifically point out that this is less than one per the 2700 dealers. Basically they say it is a flop of sorts and that all the money spent on the advertising blitz early this year was all in vain.

One quote says "The G8 illustrates one problem that is often overlooked: The auto maker's line up contains vehicles that barely deliver any bang for the buck" - wow, every car mag says it is the biggest value for the dollar, obviously they have a bone to pick with the G8.

Not only that, but the WSJ fails to understand that the published annual forecast for the G8 was only for 20k to 30k cars per year, for the G8 which is 1666 to 2500 per month, and with gas going south, they are still above the 20k mark per year. The G8 was never intended to be a volume seller...

They even go on to say that Kia Motors sold more cars in August than pontiac, buick, saturn or saab. Also, that the Honda Element and Nissan Armada even sold more than the G8.

One quote says "The G8 illustrates one problem that is often overlooked: The auto maker's line up contains vehicles that barely deliver any bang for the buck" - wow, every car mag says it is the biggest value for the dollar, obviously they have a bone to pick with the G8.



I don't think they are saying that the G8 is not a good value. I think they are saying that it is not a good value for pontiac itself. If you look at their lineup they have several models G8, G5, Solstice that are not volume sellers. Yes these lines were never intended to be volume sellers. However, their is always a bigger cost savings with volume manufacturing rather than smaller batch productions. low volume lines usually depend on price premiums to make money or in some cases, just to break even, in addition to having public perception of a larger lineup/more choices.

As much as it saddens me to say, the G8 is probably not long for this world at GM. The G8 replaced a 130,000 unit a year car line in its heyday and I believe even the 2007 Grand Prix sold over 100K units (I need to find the data on this) A BIG chunk of the GP sales were rental cars but with the G8 being RWD rental car companies are less likely to pick them up at least in the same numbers.

I'd be suprised if the G8 makes it 3 model years with sales like this :(

But have all the dealers received a G8? :wink2:

I doubt it, but as an average it's piss poor. And when they look at whether or not to keep the G8 around I'm betting that number certainly doesn't help the G8's chances, which pretty much sucks.

Maybe some misconceptions with the G8 sales. As was mentioned above, and stated by GM, it was not intended as a volume sales leader, but more along the lines of a niche vehicle. It is in keeping with the credeo that Pontiac is going back to its roots as a performance division with emphesis to rear wheel drive cars. It also is in not even its second model year, with the first year being shortened by several months. And lastly, what media blitz? If you are talking about the relatively small amount of advertising done in February, BEFORE THE CAR EVEN WAS IN SHOWROOMS, then, yes, they aren't getting the bang for the buck. But, considering the overwhelming majority of the ads since then have been PRINT ads in national car mags, the sales figures that produced hardly merits a failure grade for return on $$! IMHO.:wink2:

If Pontiac replaced the old Grand Prix line with a new FWD Grand Prix line instead of the G8, would they have sold 100,000 Grand Prixs a year in 2008 and 2009?

Not to me. My '97 GTP was only a stop-gap until there was an American V8 RWD available that I could afford.
If the G8 GT had not come out, we were looking at getting a '50's car and updating it inside & out, chassis & all, or seeing how the Camaro would really turn out.

So im guessin no one knows how many...:(

If Pontiac replaced the old Grand Prix line with a new FWD Grand Prix line instead of the G8, would they have sold 100,000 Grand Prixs a year in 2008 and 2009?

Yep. Many People are still in love with grand prixs and most of these GP lovers dont even know what the hell a G8 is.

Not to mention that FWD is quickly dominating over RWD, even at pontiac- leaving their so called "dedication to performance cars" to be questioned.

it was not intended as a volume sales leader, but more along the lines of a niche vehicle.

Not on purpose im sure. GM can only take as many G8s as Australia will give them. If it was really meant to be a niche vehicle, it would have been a V8 only vehicle. I really hope GM does something about expanding the amount of G8s that come to america, so they can really show chrysler how to make a RWD family sedan(and hopefully, wagon). I really dont want to see this vehicle go the way of the GTO.

Just goes to show you times have changed. GM is about 10 years behind in the times. Don't get me wrong but I am a GM fan and have owned GM for 17 years.

The younger crowd, that has 30k to spend on a car goes and buys a BMW 3 series, a Subie WRX or a Honda.

The older crowd is still buying Caddies and Buicks.

The Camaro is even 8 years to late.

Plus, why buy a car now, when for the past 10 years GM makes deep discounts in January through April. Year after year GM does this. It makes the people who paid sticker in May angry by December when their car has deperciated by 20% in 6 months and it worthless in 5 years when they go to trade it in.

GM needs to price a car right, out of the gate. Then control their dealers. A dealer who marks up a new model, makes people go somewhere else, like the Honda dealership that does not mark-up.

You say so what, and pay what you pay, but when you sour 4 out of 5 customers who then go to another make, because a dealer marked up a car.

I saw some places marking up G8s in May. Now they are 3k below sticker.

It adds up over 20 years, Gm and Ford have made too many people sour, now a whole generation of buyers go elsewhere.

how many do you think pontiac should sell per month,my guess about 2000/month would be plenty

holden G8 lumina sales.. australia nz approx 5500/m . ute 1000/m. statesman 500/m . middle east lumina 4000/m . south africa ? brazil? usa 1800/m uk? china? south east asia ? i think they sell a few zeta holden around the world. a failure i dont think so!

how many do you think pontiac should sell per month,my guess about 2000/month would be plenty

That is what I would guess GM expects. They are filling spare capacity in the Holden plant with the G8

One quote says "The G8 illustrates one problem that is often overlooked: The auto maker's line up contains vehicles that barely deliver any bang for the buck" - wow, every car mag says it is the biggest value for the dollar, obviously they have a bone to pick with the G8.

That was pretty much the only error in the article, the rest of it is spot on. At the G8's current pace it will not meet GM's sales expectations nor will it sell as well as the Grand Prix and Bonneville it replaced.

That combined with the volatile currency likely makes the G8 a money-losing proposition for GM. Just like the Solstice. It doesn't bode well for sales of the ST variation either.

As much as it saddens me to say, the G8 is probably not long for this world at GM. The G8 replaced a 130,000 unit a year car line in its heyday and I believe even the 2007 Grand Prix sold over 100K units (I need to find the data on this) A BIG chunk of the GP sales were rental cars but with the G8 being RWD rental car companies are less likely to pick them up at least in the same numbers.

I'd be suprised if the G8 makes it 3 model years with sales like this :(

I think your GP sales estimate is absurdly high. 100K, no way.

Pontiac sells about 200K cars a year. The G6 is certainly the best seller, not the GP, so 100K is mathematically impossible. And the Vibe probably outsells the GP as well.

That was pretty much the only error in the article, the rest of it is spot on. At the G8's current pace it will not meet GM's sales expectations nor will it sell as well as the Grand Prix and Bonneville it replaced.

That combined with the volatile currency likely makes the G8 a money-losing proposition for GM. Just like the Solstice. It doesn't bode well for sales of the ST variation either.

GMs sales expectations were for between 20-23,000 cars per MY, the range as reported by most sources anyway. Everything I've read indicated it was never intended as a replacement for the Bonneville, questionable if it was intended as replacement for the GP. It was brought in as its own car, filling its own niche, not some category already filled by one or more other GM cars. And by the way, check the USD against most currencies today you will find it being very strong, as the other world economies are slipping toward recession. You have noticed the cheaper gasoline prices? The stronger USD is one of the main reasons for that happening. GM would not be talking about the advent of the GXP or ST if it was planning to cancel them. :wink2:

That was pretty much the only error in the article, the rest of it is spot on. At the G8's current pace it will not meet GM's sales expectations nor will it sell as well as the Grand Prix and Bonneville it replaced.

That combined with the volatile currency likely makes the G8 a money-losing proposition for GM. Just like the Solstice. It doesn't bode well for sales of the ST variation either.

Now lets not get hasty. This vehicle is brand new to america so not many people knows of its existence yet. If GM keeps up(or starts back)advertising the G8, sales will increase. If sales increase far enough, maybe they'll bring production to america. I really hope so.

I seriously dont think that GM would give a green light to anything unprofitable to their company. If so, then these guys are some kind of idiots.

OK, the G8 sold 1,950 vehicles in August. How many Infiniti G35s were sold during that month? How many Dodge Chargers were sold? How many Nissan Maximas were sold? I want to know how the G8 is doing against some of the competition. Does anyone know the numbers or know where to find them?
For that matter, how many BMW 5-series vehicles were sold?

Anyone seen the Wall Street Journal on Tue Sept 9 (marketplace section), an article called "Unpopular Models Slow Down GM"? They point out the G8 as one of the cars pulling down GM with only 1900+ cars sold in August, and specifically point out that this is less than one per the 2700 dealers. Basically they say it is a flop of sorts and that all the money spent on the advertising blitz early this year was all in vain.

One quote says "The G8 illustrates one problem that is often overlooked: The auto maker's line up contains vehicles that barely deliver any bang for the buck" - wow, every car mag says it is the biggest value for the dollar, obviously they have a bone to pick with the G8.

Not only that, but the WSJ fails to understand that the published annual forecast for the G8 was only for 20k to 30k cars per year, for the G8 which is 1666 to 2500 per month, and with gas going south, they are still above the 20k mark per year. The G8 was never intended to be a volume seller...

They even go on to say that Kia Motors sold more cars in August than pontiac, buick, saturn or saab. Also, that the Honda Element and Nissan Armada even sold more than the G8.

Here is Pontiac's response to that story:


September 10, 2008

Dear Wall Street Journal Editors,

In their September 9th article, Ms. Terlep and Mr. Boudette seem to have conveniently ignored GM's global product development strategy for the design, engineering, manufacturing and marketing of vehicles when drawing their erroneous conclusions. This strategy allows us to quickly leverage our resources around the world to produce a far wider variety of cost effective products than a more regional approach, and is employed by practically every global manufacturer.

The Pontiac G8 is an excellent example of utilizing a single global vehicle platform to produce unique products for multiple markets while dramatically reducing both development and production costs. Variations of the G8 are sold in North America, Europe, Asia and Australia, where it remains one of the top selling vehicles in the country. In fact, every single GM product mentioned in the article is an example of this global strategy and all are sold in multiple markets around the world.

Since the Pontiac G8 serves as a focal point of the story, it might also be wise to consider that the vehicle is coming off its best sales month ever in August, with sales up 31 percent over July. It is consistently gaining market share in the highly competitive large car segment and more than 40 percent of its buyers are new to Pontiac and GM. Most importantly, G8 owners seem pleased with the styling and sporty performance of their new car, a sentiment echoed by dozens of journalists who have actually experienced it.

Perhaps Ms. Terlep and Mr. Boudetteare confusing "unpopular" with "not-for-everyone." Since automobiles tend to directly reflect the unique personality of their owners, it's only natural that niche vehicles, like the G8, aren't volume leaders. But, if vehicles must sell a minimum of 3,000 units per month to be successful as the reporters seem to suggest, 203 of the 316 different vehicles sold in the US in August (including 49 percent of GM vehicles, 37 percent of Toyotas and 64 percent of Fords) should disappear overnight since they are obviously “unpopular.” Fortunately, this is not the case and consumers' auto buying experiences are that much richer because of it.

Of course, when such information doesn't fit the angle of the story, it's easy to see why reporters chose to overlook it. We understand that's their prerogative. However, we remain confident that the G8 will remain a strong, positive story for Buick-Pontiac-GMC dealers across the country and will continue to provide a thrilling driving experience for its owners.

Sincerely,

Susan E. Docherty
GM North America Vice President, Buick-Pontiac-GMC

They already pass the GTO in monthly sales. They sold less than 29000 in 3years.

The G8 is better value, IMHO.

I think you need to research your figures. Pontiac sold 40757 GTOs in it's 3 year run.

mac

I think your GP sales estimate is absurdly high. 100K, no way.

Pontiac sells about 200K cars a year. The G6 is certainly the best seller, not the GP, so 100K is mathematically impossible. And the Vibe probably outsells the GP as well.

Pontiac sold 358000 cars in 2007.

mac

I read the automotive section of the Wall Street Journal regularly. A lot of what Neal Boudette says makes sense, yet I would tend to agree with everyone on here that has gotten their ire up. Neal repeatedly voices opinion that GM needs to get down to about 4 distribution channels in the U.S. I would tend to agree with that analysis. The eight or so divisions is a throw back to an era when there was very little foreign competition. However if you look at GM today they are already very close to 4 divisions: Chevrolet, Pont/Buick/GMC, Saturn, Cadillac/Saab. With Hummer on its way out the door, that looks like 4 divisions to me. The old Grand Prix is still available in either the Buick Lacrosse, or the Chev Impala.

One thing I agree with wholeheartedly is that GM drifted way too long in terms of poor dealer service, confusing product portfolio, and over saturation on fleet sales. Who wants to buy a Grand Prix thinking it is something special only to see 100,000 units rolling around in generic form as rental cars? This doesn't make you proud to own one.

The shift to rear wheel drive is essential if the horsepower race keeps up. My 2004 GP, GXP was 270 hp and it was scary torque steer when you stomped on it. But for most people the high horsepower, rear drive cars will be considered niche.
Maybe some misconceptions with the G8 sales. As was mentioned above, and stated by GM, it was not intended as a volume sales leader, but more along the lines of a niche vehicle. It is in keeping with the credeo that Pontiac is going back to its roots as a performance division with emphesis to rear wheel drive cars. It also is in not even its second model year, with the first year being shortened by several months. And lastly, what media blitz? If you are talking about the relatively small amount of advertising done in February, BEFORE THE CAR EVEN WAS IN SHOWROOMS, then, yes, they aren't getting the bang for the buck. But, considering the overwhelming majority of the ads since then have been PRINT ads in national car mags, the sales figures that produced hardly merits a failure grade for return on $$! IMHO.:wink2:

Just because a car gets a great review does not mean people are going to buy it. If the G8's base price was closer to 22k or so, it would sell more of the base models. $29k for a "sedan" is high when you can get an Altima for $20k heck a new BMW 325 is $30K.

GM and bad quality go hand in hand, so the average person buying a car are going to look at the imports. They received a good name in quality. But now American cars are right up there with quality, but they need to get rid of the dark cloud that is over thier head. Funny thing is Toyota has had a record number of recalls, but still outsells everyone.

It took 30 years of bad quality, recalls and lazy dumb dealers for the American Auto Companies to get to the point where they are today, which is most people won't even look at their cars. Back in the 60's people blindly bought American because imports were cheap, poor quality rust buckets. With persistence that perception changed over time.

Now the tables are turned and the Americans need to work harder than the imports to bring people back. That goes not for just this year, but for a long haul...not just one good model...all across the board! For GM, Ford, Chrysler, every car and every model must be better than the imports or the poor quality, "junk" reputation will persist. Then the effort must be passed down to the dealer level. Lazy don't care attitudes at the dealer levels can't be tolerated. :judge:


Just because a car gets a great review does not mean people are going to buy it. If the G8's base price was closer to 22k or so, it would sell more of the base models. $29k for a "sedan" is high when you can get an Altima for $20k heck a new BMW 325 is $30K.

GM and bad quality go hand in hand, so the average person buying a car are going to look at the imports. They received a good name in quality. But now American cars are right up there with quality, but they need to get rid of the dark cloud that is over thier head. Funny thing is Toyota has had a record number of recalls, but still outsells everyone.

Agreed! $30K to $35K is getting into niche territory, not a mass market vehicle line. It is apparent that niche territory is where GM is positioning Pontiac as a brand.

Just because a car gets a great review does not mean people are going to buy it. If the G8's base price was closer to 22k or so, it would sell more of the base models. $29k for a "sedan" is high when you can get an Altima for $20k heck a new BMW 325 is $30K.

GM and bad quality go hand in hand, so the average person buying a car are going to look at the imports. They received a good name in quality. But now American cars are right up there with quality, but they need to get rid of the dark cloud that is over thier head. Funny thing is Toyota has had a record number of recalls, but still outsells everyone.

Agreed! $30K to $35K is getting into niche territory, not a mass market vehicle line. It is apparent that niche territory is where GM is positioning Pontiac as a brand.

Ummmmm, didn't someone mention this once or twice before?:wink2:

When are the September sales going to be reported??

When are the September sales going to be reported??

They are out:

http://www.gm.com/corporate/investor_information/sales_prod/

1651, total YTD 11,308
Average for 7 months, 1615/month keep in mind March was a short month and gas prices during summer mayhave kept some players at home.

That is Calendar Year? Total for both MYs, right? Either way, seems pretty successful to me,............for a niche vehicle!

ONLY 1,651 G8s sold in September? Despite the employee pricing? Doesn't this support my friend's "flop" argument?

Is there any way to put a positive spin on this?

And consider this fact: Chevy sold over 2,300 Corvettes in September. You would think the G8 would sell in higher numbers than the Corvette. The G8 is more of a niche vehicle than the Corvette?!

Those are discouraging numbers.

Didn't employee pricing go on for the '09s later in the month? Plus, I really don't think too many 'Vette customers have a problem qualifying for credit, and they were getting something like $5-8K off with employee pricing! And, you are looking at numbers for an established line of cars, the 'Vette, verses one that is still making its name, G8, so to speak. Just my thoughts, could be way off base, but............???

ONLY 1,651 G8s sold in September? Despite the employee pricing? Doesn't this support my friend's "flop" argument?

Is there any way to put a positive spin on this?

And consider this fact: Chevy sold over 2,300 Corvettes in September. You would think the G8 would sell in higher numbers than the Corvette. The G8 is more of a niche vehicle than the Corvette?!

Those are discouraging numbers.

Positive spin: Over first seven months avg sales are 1615/month, September is 2.3% above average. Also, Corvette production was 35,310 for MYTD 2008, and 26,122 CYTD for 2009. Actual produced 2008's in 2008 total 17,521. Volume of Corvette is comparable to Caddy DTS.

ONLY 1,651 G8s sold in September? Despite the employee pricing? Doesn't this support my friend's "flop" argument?

Is there any way to put a positive spin on this?

And consider this fact: Chevy sold over 2,300 Corvettes in September. You would think the G8 would sell in higher numbers than the Corvette. The G8 is more of a niche vehicle than the Corvette?!

Those are discouraging numbers.

Yea.
Pontiac has sold nearly the entire 2008 production run in only 7 months! :wink2:
How's that for spin?

Seriously though, I really don't think the numbers are all that bad. I will stand behind what I said earlier, that I think we should all step back and see what happens when the G8 has a full MY to sell as the Pontiac flagship, and not share floor space with the outgoing, yet very popular GP.

mac

Yea.
Pontiac has sold nearly the entire 2008 production run in only 7 months! :wink2:
How's that for spin?

Seriously though, I really don't think the numbers are all that bad. I will stand behind what I said earlier, that I think we should all step back and see what happens when the G8 has a full MY to sell as the Pontiac flagship, and not share floor space with the outgoing, yet very popular GP.

mac

Except that the G8 is not really sharing floor space with the popular Grand Prix. Pontiac only sold 225 Grand Prixs in September.

Ummmmm, didn't someone mention this once or twice before?:wink2:

If we all agree it is a niche vehicle, what are we talking about??

Just because a car gets a great review does not mean people are going to buy it. If the G8's base price was closer to 22k or so, it would sell more of the base models. $29k for a "sedan" is high when you can get an Altima for $20k heck a new BMW 325 is $30K.

GM and bad quality go hand in hand, so the average person buying a car are going to look at the imports. They received a good name in quality. But now American cars are right up there with quality, but they need to get rid of the dark cloud that is over thier head. Funny thing is Toyota has had a record number of recalls, but still outsells everyone.

Try finding a 325 that you can actually buy for $30K. That is an advertised price, but scanning lots in my area, I don't see any that are close to that, most are $37 and up.

Except that the G8 is not really sharing floor space with the popular Grand Prix. Pontiac only sold 225 Grand Prixs in September.

You asked for spin, not facts. Just doing what the politicos do! :wink2:

mac

Try finding a 325 that you can actually buy for $30K. That is an advertised price, but scanning lots in my area, I don't see any that are close to that, most are $37 and up.

Plenty at BMW of Peabody, Mass. My wife is on her third. :driving:

Better yet, maybe a C-class Benz.

Plenty at BMW of Peabody, Mass. My wife is on her third. :driving:

Better yet, maybe a C-class Benz.

I am starting to browse for a car to replace my GOAT. Not completely sold on the G8, a little more car than I need, like the GOAT but have been eyeing a 3 series coupe. Like the lines and the athletic feel of the car. To me the lines of the 3 coupe are very similar to the GTO/Monaro.

I say this with sadness...but I think Pontiac is on its way out. Having owned 4 in a row...3 GP GTP's and now the GTO, I am just having a hard time now seeing something in the lineup that I want to own. What would be ideal for me is a smaller version of the G8. About 10 inches shorter and 3-4 inches lower available in both 4 door and coupe versions, but with the same genes.

This is what I see as the failure of GM's product planning and marketing. Pontiac could be the "poor mans" alternative to BMW. To do that what is needed is a similar type of line up. 1 series, 3 series, 5 series, 7 series. All have very consistent genes. That is not true with Pontiac. A buyer can't easily transition from one model to another. I don't see a buyer easily shifting from a G6 to a G8 or visa versa.

I really like the BMW 5 series, but don't need that much car...a 3 series or even a 1 series will be great. I'll get the same sporting feel and look in a smaller car. However, looking at Pontiac, the shift from the G8 to the G6 is not as easy.

I am the type of owner who likes to develop a relationship with a dealer and can go there every time I'm in the market and find something I can drive. It is getting very difficult to do that with Pontiac.

Not driving what you want is a big problem if you drive a lot, less so if your driving is somewhat limited, like mine is these days. I too went thru my import cycle of cars and found there was something there to be coveted, but, in most cases, at a cost. To get a similar car as the G8 in a BMW 3 series you are going to be paying as much as $10k more than the G8. You may find the comfort, handling, amenities, and luxury for around $35K, but when you start getting particular about the HP/acceleration you are going to have to move into the upper reaches of the 3's range. I have spent many an evening staring at the computer screen trying to figure out why the 3 series I configured went from $33K to $43K with only a minimal of options added. It's frustrating when you see what you like, and then watch it quickly get out of the price range you want to buy into!:bomb:

Won't you be disappointed in the lack of low-end torque of the 3-series, especially after driving a GTO? I can't imagine going-back to a V6 after owning the G8 GT (my previous car was a V6 Acura RL)

As a GTO owner who wanted to add another car to the stable, I BRIEFLY looked into the BMW's, but they are too stinkin' expensive for what I want. The 135 is lovely, but about 5-6k too much. 335...whew, it gets pricey quick. 5-series...

The G8 is a significantly improved chassis from the GTO. It IS a fairly large car, but sure doesn't feel like it. We aren't going to need all the room that much...but it will be GREAT when we want to haul another person or couple with us somewhere.

I bought my GTO in May '05 when the Ford dealers were marking Mustang GT's +4k over sticker. A 34k GTO or a 26k Mustang for 30k...it was not a difficult decision. Mine is a bit raw edged w/ fairly stiff suspension, turbos, 19's, etc. Fun, but driving in traffic w/ a stiff clutch isn't so much fun. The G8 is COMPLETELY different feeling in terms of refinement. Even w/ suspension mods + a bit of boost it will likely still be very refined feeling.

LOVE THIS CAR!

Won't you be disappointed in the lack of low-end torque of the 3-series, especially after driving a GTO? I can't imagine going-back to a V6 after owning the G8 GT (my previous car was a V6 Acura RL)

I have driven several 3 Series -
the current 3XXs have a straight 6 -
not a V6 -
and the twin turbo 335 has excellent TQ delivery.
[ IMHO ]
- Ray
TQ addict...

It comes down to really prespective. People who look at BMW and Mercedes, for the most part dont shop for a Pontiac. If anything they will cross shop with Audi. Also for the Corvette selling, simple fact that even in this economy, people who want a Corvette, have money, go get a Corvette as nothing else will do. The G8, which I have owned since August was bought for a few reasons. 1). Unmatched power for the price. 2) Most part fully equipped when you get the premium package. 3). For the size and power, highway economy, which I drive mostly, is excellent. 4). With a 7 Year old and a 4 year old, I needed space for stuff when we take trips. Camry's and V6 accords are great cars but they do nothing for me and I see them everyday. I wanted something that was not every other car. For me the G8 was the only affordable, powerful sports sedan on the market in the 25-35 price range that had power, fun to drive, and the features I wanted.

Agreed. It is frustrating because you see ads all the time for the 3XX at around $30K, but there are none out there at that price. I agree also with other comments that the Pontiac shopper is not a BMW shopper and visa versa. I may very well buy the G8 in the next year or so, because I have long said I do not need to spend a lot of money to get the grin factor! I am very interested to see what the Solstice targa looks like, but that would be a total mind shift from my present ride. Having said all that, IMO the current rate of sales on the G8 should not be construed as any kind of failure based on the price point of the car and the special nature of the vehicle. Any buyer who wants a vanilla alternative to a Camry or an Accord should be able to get comfortable with an Impala or a Malibu.


Not driving what you want is a big problem if you drive a lot, less so if your driving is somewhat limited, like mine is these days. I too went thru my import cycle of cars and found there was something there to be coveted, but, in most cases, at a cost. To get a similar car as the G8 in a BMW 3 series you are going to be paying as much as $10k more than the G8. You may find the comfort, handling, amenities, and luxury for around $35K, but when you start getting particular about the HP/acceleration you are going to have to move into the upper reaches of the 3's range. I have spent many an evening staring at the computer screen trying to figure out why the 3 series I configured went from $33K to $43K with only a minimal of options added. It's frustrating when you see what you like, and then watch it quickly get out of the price range you want to buy into!:bomb:

The bigger question I have in all of the talk about transforming Pontiac into a niche brand with lower levels of unit sales is whether the Pontiac/Buick/GMC dealers can survive on the lower volume. There is going to be some weeding out.:(

By the numbers, Cheby sells more cars than all of the other GM brands combined in the US. In fact over 50% of all GM vehicles, whether it is just cars or light trucks or both sold here is a Chevy. No way the niche brands can touch it. However Pontiac still ranks second in cars and third in all vehicles, but a disappointing to marketeers next to last in light trucks.

By the numbers, Cheby sells more cars than all of the other GM brands combined in the US. In fact over 50% of all GM vehicles, whether it is just cars or light trucks or both sold here is a Chevy. No way the niche brands can touch it. However Pontiac still ranks second in cars and third in all vehicles, but a disappointing to marketeers next to last in light trucks.

Trucks? Pontiac? oh yeah the Torrent. I forgot!:slap:

Now I wonder what incentives
Nov will bring....
- Ray
Cautiously optimistic . . .?

I test drove the G8 on Saturday October 18th and went back to the Dealer monday october 20th and found out there was a 1500 rebate it was perfect timing. Ended up out the door for less than 30000 and dealer threw in tint certificate for local tint shop. Best day in a long time for me.

You think those numbers are stout, wait until everyone sees the year end closeout incentives. ;)

^^^^WTF gay pontiac

I test drove the G8 on Saturday October 18th and went back to the Dealer monday october 20th and found out there was a 1500 rebate it was perfect timing. Ended up out the door for less than 30000 and dealer threw in tint certificate for local tint shop. Best day in a long time for me.


Wait until the Red tag sale starts early.

Wait until the Red tag sale starts early.

is that like a clearance sale? take an extra 50% off the sale price?:biggrin2:

^^^^WTF gay pontiac

Could be wrong, but I do believe that is a legit Pontiac dealer, Gay Pontiac, in Texas if I remember right.:wink2:

is that like a clearance sale? take an extra 50% off the sale price?:biggrin2:

Laugh, it looks like it is coming to that soon. Fire sale!!!!

I am G8 GT shopping this weekend. For 30k OTD I might bite! I can't believe my insurance premium would actually be less for a 2009 G8 GT vs my 2002 WRX... It makes little sense.


Looking for a Stryker Blue or Maverick Silver. Wish me luck. :)

Looks like the red tag sale is pretty good!

Up to 3500 in incentives available on 2008 G8 models plus GM Supplier Pricing for everyone!

Up to 2500 in incentives on 2009 models plus supplier pricing for everyone!

Example

loaded 2009 G8 GT

MSRP 34,990.00
Red Tag Price 33,603.00
Incentives 2,500.00

You pay 31,103.00 + TTL

:)

Could be wrong, but I do believe that is a legit Pontiac dealer, Gay Pontiac, in Texas if I remember right.:wink2:


You are correct.

Gay Pontiac Buick GMC

Over 60 years in business as a privately owned and operated facility.

Look up Don Gay. He was a funny car Pioneer who essentially put Pontiac on the map in the drag racing world. They also co-founded Houston Raceway park. ;)

Wouldn't supplier pricing bring a fully loaded 09 GT down to around 32,500 minus Incentives... to list at 30,000 + TTL???? I am shopping today... Southwest, Yuma, AZ area if anyone has recommendations.... Still unsure of 08 or 09. ~Mitch

The 09 GT loaded with all the goodies list for 34,110.00 and has a supplier of 32,652.25. Close, but not quite there. ;)

32,773.88 is invoice on that same car

Looks like the red tag sale is pretty good!

Up to 3500 in incentives available on 2008 G8 models plus GM Supplier Pricing for everyone!

Up to 2500 in incentives on 2009 models plus supplier pricing for everyone!

Example

loaded 2009 G8 GT

MSRP 34,990.00
Red Tag Price 33,603.00
Incentives 2,500.00

You pay 31,103.00 + TTL

:)

The 09 GT loaded with all the goodies list for 34,110.00 and has a supplier of 32,652.25. Close, but not quite there. ;)

32,773.88 is invoice on that same car

Don't want to seem picky, but which is it? There are probably some '09s out there with either price as $880.00 was added to all '09s produced after about mid-September (I do believe that is the correct time frame). So I guess it depends on how late in the MY the '09 was produced as to what the actual starting MSRP is?!

Just a random one I picked out of the GM Inventory computer. I dont have one with the roof, sport and premium in stock so I used a random example.

....red tag price + $1500 "total cash back" on an '09 GT near me (So. CA) is $30,417 with sport & premium pkgs. They show $2000 cash back on the '08.

It's a shame this is the only way they can move vehicles but it pays to be patient. I wonder how all the idiot dealers who were charging $3000 premiums on these back in April and May are doing? I'm glad I waited......saved myself $2500.

Yup, I waited too. I'm one of those Sept buys. Not only did the $3000 dealer mark up disappear, but also got the GMP too. Saved like $5000. The salesperson had to ask if it was on the GMP list, but I already know it was. However, I hear some people are getting even better details right now cuz of the economic situation. I'm also glad I waited cuz I got the 2009 instead of a 2008, so no atari gage!

I highly recommend shopping around right now too. My wife and I also picked up a 2008 Infiniti M35 this month for over $11000 off the sticker (which was WAY below even the invoice price, prolly very close to what the dealer actually paid for the car).

The Red tag sale is not good enough. IMHO. $28,700 for a loaded 09' Come down about $1500 more

Keep trying GM :wink2:

The Red tag sale is not good enough. IMHO. $28,700 for a loaded 09' Come down about $1500 more

Keep trying GM :wink2:

Why not just pick a dealer and send them an email asking them to call you when they are giving them away free!:nonono:

The Red tag sale is not good enough. IMHO. $28,700 for a loaded 09' Come down about $1500 more

Keep trying GM :wink2:
i like how you think. i guess it's true, great minds do think alike.:wink2:

I am G8 GT shopping this weekend. For 30k OTD I might bite! I can't believe my insurance premium would actually be less for a 2009 G8 GT vs my 2002 WRX... It makes little sense.


Looking for a Stryker Blue or Maverick Silver. Wish me luck. :)

My insurance also dropped and small amount with the G8 vs my old TL. I was scratching my head too. Maybe they know something that we don't! :)

Why not just pick a dealer and send them an email asking them to call you when they are giving them away free!:nonono:


Why pay 1500 more than someone did 2 months ago for the same car. :driving:

My insurance also dropped and small amount with the G8 vs my old TL. I was scratching my head too. Maybe they know something that we don't! :)


Acuras are usualy on the top ten list of stolen cars, Pontiacs are not.

Why pay 1500 more than someone did 2 months ago for the same car. :driving:

Ahhh, but you didn't like that deal either! Of course if you wait long enough for them to start giving them away, they will be out of business and you wont have gotten anything for your wait. And, the longer you wait, the less time you can be out driving it. Oh, and out of curiosity, would you be holding out for the same thing if this was, ...say a Honda you wanted? Never fails to amaze me how people think that domestic car manufacturers should give their cars away, where the imports must be purchased at full or close to full price. What's with that? :confused::huh:

Ahhh, but you didn't like that deal either! Of course if you wait long enough for them to start giving them away, they will be out of business and you wont have gotten anything for your wait. And, the longer you wait, the less time you can be out driving it. Oh, and out of curiosity, would you be holding out for the same thing if this was, ...say a Honda you wanted? Never fails to amaze me how people think that domestic car manufacturers should give their cars away, where the imports must be purchased at full or close to full price. What's with that? :confused::huh:


The G8 and now the Camaro SS are way over priced. It is not GMs fault it is the cost of labor that is killing them.

GM had been arrogant for far to long. They need a reality check.

The G8 and now the Camaro SS are way over priced. It is not GMs fault it is the cost of labor that is killing them.

GM had been arrogant for far to long. They need a reality check.

Overpriced?

Are you serious?

Have you priced out a Challenger lately, or for that matter, an accord or Camry?

GM is not arrogant, the UAW is. They have GM in a stranglehold that has them almost ready to tap out.

Agreed. Screw, the Camaro in all forms is very competitively priced. It may not be as cheap as the SS and other models once were, but don't forget, it's 6-7 years later, and the price of cars has risen along with everything else.

Who cares what other cars are priced at. The SRT8s are also overpriced. I say overpriced when a car stickers for say 35, then it sells for 28 with incentives and rebates etc. The sticker shock turns most people away.

Price it right from the start and sell cars from the start.

I will say it again GM will not sell close to the 100,000 units of the Camaro.

I was 1 of them.....
- Ray