Allocation qty that's shown is for my local dealer (medium sized).

The 2008 G8 allocation quantity shown below represents your dealership's estimated allocation for the entire 2008 Model Year above and beyond any earned First 888 units.

Dealer allocation is based on the following distribution formula:

* 75% segment registrations (source: R.L. Polk) and 25% 12-month Pontiac retail sales.

Please be advised that the following allocation quantity is only an estimate and is subject to change. This information is being provided to assist your Pontiac dealership with expected 2008MY G8 orders that may be tagged online and to help manage customer expectations. If you have any questions, please contact your ASM.

The estimated 2008MY G8 allocation for your Dealership is: 2

For those dealers who do not earn a unit for the 2008MY, they will be eligible to receive at least one (1) unit in the 2009MY.

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G8 Tagging Business Rules

Dealers will be able to tag G8 vehicles utilizing gminventory.com assuming the following criteria are met:

* Dealer has allocation available for the current month
* Dealer will be limited to tag 10 G8 units at one time
* If monthly tagging volume is not used, the volume will be lost and it will not be replaced the following month
* Custom G8 orders will not be received, dealers with allocation will only be able to tag pre-ordered vehicles online

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G8 First 888 Program Overview

Pontiac is providing the First 888 G8 vehicles to eligible dealers to attract first-in-line G8 consumers and collector-minded enthusiasts. Leveraging the power of “8” in G8, this special introductory program will deliver 888 of the earliest retail units to over 700 Pontiac dealers nationwide.

The First 888 G8 vehicles will feature the following:

* Special vehicle identification number (VIN) sequence from #001 to #888 (last 3 digits)
* A unique interior logo on the passenger side that reads “G8 First 888” with an artistic outline of the car

First 888 vehicles have been pre-packaged and pre-ordered and will be available in both V6 and V8 models in a variety of colors and trims. 80% of the First 888 vehicles will be GT models equipped with a V8 engine and 20% will be base models equipped with a V6 engine. Vehicle configuration choices are available as follows:

First 888 G8 (base) with V6 engine will have one configuration including:

* Comfort & Sound Package and Premium Package.

First 888 G8 GT with V8 engine will be available in two configurations including:

* Premium Package and optional 18-inch all-season tires
* Premium Package & Sport Package (includes 19-inch aluminum wheels and summer-only performance tires)

These limited-run vehicles are being allocated above and beyond estimated 2008MY G8 allocation quantities to eligible Pontiac dealers based on the distribution formula combining segment registrations and 12-month retail Pontiac sales.

If your dealership is eligible for a First 888 unit, you will be contacted by a Pontiac launch team specialist on your vehicle preference(s) starting on Monday, November 26, and no later than early December 2007. Between now and when you are contacted, eligible dealers may wish to contact interested customers to help determine vehicle preferences. For your individual dealership quantity for the First 888, please contact your zone team representative.

Elements of the G8 First 888 Program are as follows:

* In descending order of dealer ranking, First 888 vehicles will be assigned and best matched against a dealer's vehicle preferences
* There are no guarantees of matching vehicles 100% based on dealer preferences so please have alternatives in mind when contacted
* Dealers may waive their First 888 allocation if they so choose
* Specific VINs will NOT be pre-communicated and will be assigned at random
* First 888 vehicles will be allocated above and beyond estimated 2008MY dealer allocation quantities provided at Pontiaclaunch.com by November 21, for your planning purposes
* First 888 vehicles are expected to arrive by March 2008 depending on dealership location

Frequently Asked Questions for G8 First 888 Program

Can any Pontiac dealer obtain a First 888 unit?
No, dealers will need to earn the unit. Over 700 dealers will earn one or more units while approximately 2,000 dealers will not. However, dealers will be able to review their 2008MY allocation quantity estimates at Pontiaclaunch.com in the G8 distribution section.

Can an eligible Pontiac dealer sell a First 888 unit to any customer?
Yes, dealers can determine who purchases the vehicle, although dealers are encouraged to place additional G8 orders for non-First 888 units against their earned allocation.

Are First 888 units eligible for GMS or supplier discount?
Yes, dealers may choose to sell a unit to any customer whether retail, GM or dealership employee, or supplier.

What should dealers charge for First 888 unit?
Dealers are encouraged to charge no more than MSRP. (There is no option price for First 888 units, cars are priced same as non-First 888 units.)

Will a tagging fee apply to all G8 vehicles including the First 888 vehicles?
Yes, a $150 tagging fee will be charged on the vehicle invoice to help defray administrative costs of vehicle allocation and tagging activities.

Will every Pontiac dealer earn or be offered a G8 to tag for the 2008MY?
No, but all dealers will have an opportunity to tag a G8 unit through the 2008CY (either 2008MY or 2009MY depending on earn) due to a short 2008MY production run.

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Distribution Plan

* Formula-based allocation will consist of Pontiac retail sales and competitive set registrations
* Competitive set consists of Dodge Charger, Chrysler 300, and Nissan Maxima

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Key Dates

* First Consensus is planned for December 2007
* Vehicles expected to arrive in late Q1 2008

Wow, good info.

This one worries me. What should dealers charge for First 888 unit?
Dealers are encouraged to charge no more than MSRP. (There is no option price for First 888 units, cars are priced same as non-First 888 units.)

I smell the dreaded "market adjustment" though. Don't give in dealers, don't do what you did with the first 04 GTO's. I'm sure my pleas fall on deaf ears. :(

And what is a "tagging fee"? Says 150 bucks, will this one be passed to the consumer?

Dave, thanks for posting the info, interesting, not many dealers will get one, as I thought , basically only 1 a month or so per dealer.

Anyone know when a dealer can start tagging the G8's for the non-888 units (from the details above, tagging for the 888 units starts 11/26 to mid-December)???

So since it says " due to a short 2008MY production run"

I'm going to guess they will try and get the 2009 MY here when the typicall US models go on sale as 2009's (Fall of 08). Any other guess if they will wait until the 2009 for a M6 and/or a GXP?

And what is a "tagging fee"?

That when the dealer has you bend over so you can be "tagged.":gears:

That when the dealer has you bend over so you can be "tagged."

LOL Somehow I feel you're probably not far off the mark. :)

Anyone know the actual tagging fee.

I feel GM is going to regret doing this, with all the commotion it feels like they are giving this car away for nothing. This dealer allocation stuff, two three cars a year. They are making people think that G8 is the next big thing to come out from GM. I think it is a regular car with nothing special. I personally do not have anymore patients waiting for this car. First it was December then January and now spring. Now days no one pays sticker price for new cars and the way it sounds people will pay over the sticker on this one because there will be so few of them out there. So at this point I am really furious and ready to start looking for something else. My problem is I hate jap cars Chrysler and Ford and I cannot afford anything European mid size. So I probably will look in to New Malibu LTZ unless GM will start thinking about their loyal customers and do something about this issue.

LOL Somehow I feel you're probably not far off the mark. :)

Anyone know the actual tagging fee.The post at the top says $150 for "administrative costs etc."


I feel GM is going to regret doing this, with all the commotion it feels like they are giving this car away for nothing. This dealer allocation stuff, two three cars a year. They are making people think that G8 is the next big thing to come out from GM. I think it is a regular car with nothing special. I personally do not have anymore patients waiting for this car. First it was December then January and now spring. Now days no one pays sticker price for new cars and the way it sounds people will pay over the sticker on this one because there will be so few of them out there. So at this point I am really furious and ready to start looking for something else. My problem is I hate jap cars Chrysler and Ford and I cannot afford anything European mid size. So I probably will look in to New Malibu LTZ unless GM will start thinking about their loyal customers and do something about this issue.Unfortunately, I tend to agree with you, I really did want to buy American, Malibu is a great looking car, but not quite my cup of tea.

I'm going to give this a week or so to sort out, after that, I may have to go to a different mark. I guess they did not learn from the GTO

Does anyone else see the #1 missing inggredient in the first 888? No sunroof! RThat's a turnoff, even more than the potential cost of replacing summer-only tires with high preformance all-seasons on my own. No other than dealer installed accessories above and beyond the pre-configuartions.

And I could actually see dealer #700 on the list when asked if he wants a V6 in whatever color is left possibly passing, although some dealers are marketing Malibu and G6 with I4s against the 4 cylnder Accords and Camrys with much success.

Does anyone else see the #1 missing inggredient in the first 888? No sunroof! RThat's a turnoff, even more than the potential cost of replacing summer-only tires with high preformance all-seasons on my own. No other than dealer installed accessories above and beyond the pre-configuartions.


Aww, nothing a Sawzall couldn't fix. ;)

Really though, I'm sure there will still be 20 to 30 THOUSAND after this first original batch that you can get a sunroof with if wanted. You'll be able to find your combo eventually. :)

Asylum that works on the assembly line said 20% to 30% had sunroofs.

If these are one of the 888, problem solved. :)

My local dealer must be sitting on his hands. He kind of made it clear that he didn't like the G8s. I guess he doesn't want to make any money by selling them.

Dave, thanks for posting the info, interesting, not many dealers will get one, as I thought , basically only 1 a month or so per dealer.

Anyone know when a dealer can start tagging the G8's for the non-888 units (from the details above, tagging for the 888 units starts 11/26 to mid-December)???

First Allocation (dealer tagging) is in December.

Thanks!

My local dealer must be sitting on his hands. He kind of made it clear that he didn't like the G8s. I guess he doesn't want to make any money by selling them.

The word stooge comes to mind. It's not about "liking" a car if you are a dealer it's about selling it and making money. Dolt also comes to mind. Find another dealer. ;)

The more I read about how this product is coming to market the more anxiety I feel. It just blows me away they have rigged this so you can not order the vehicle you want. Now a special edition is being built that you can not order what you want, either. Kinda like a parent telling his kid what is best for him.

I am a Pontiac loyalist, but this has the potential to destroy and/or alienate the customer base for this car.

I really want to buy one of these cars, but it has to be the way I want it-not some other disinterested party's choice. My gut reaction is telling me to wait for model year '09.....

Asylum that works on the assembly line said 20% to 30% had sunroofs.

If these are one of the 888, problem solved. :)

I see the specs of the three configurations and don't see any further options listed. The 20-30% could be for the higher numbers, but we'll see what we see.

I waited 2 years before I bought a GTO. I can to do the same with the G8. Right now I just want to see one up close.

My local dealer must be sitting on his hands. He kind of made it clear that he didn't like the G8s. I guess he doesn't want to make any money by selling them.

Sounds like your dealer is a douche. What does he drive, a Vibe?

so no sunroof? wtf!!

Im a little confused as to how everything is being released...

So firstly there will be 888 available in march?

What if i could care less about the first 888 and just want the car? Are these cars being shipped in after the first 888?
Which will then have me waiting later than march to purchase the car which is about 8 or so months until an 09 comes out?

I think i might be better off looking elsewhere with all this *****footing around GM is doing.

Oh and what is this m6 everyone is throwing out there?

M6= manual six speed

i can see a $5000. mark up over msrp with dealers only getting 2 cars. if thats the case i will get the cadilac cts they will be around the same price. the cts may not have the v8 but every thing else is more upscale.

i can see a $5000. mark up over msrp with dealers only getting 2 cars. if thats the case i will get the cadilac cts they will be around the same price. the cts may not have the v8 but every thing else is more upscale.

I was considering the same thing.

Sounds like your dealer is a douche. What does he drive, a Vibe?

I'm not sure what the guy drives. I think he drives something different all the time. He likes Buicks and the GP GXP.

So is 2 per dealer going to be the average. What size dealer are we talking about in the #'s given? Is it a small town dealer that moves 100th of what a large town dealer sells?

Im a little confused as to how everything is being released...

So firstly there will be 888 available in march?

What if i could care less about the first 888 and just want the car? Are these cars being shipped in after the first 888?
Which will then have me waiting later than march to purchase the car which is about 8 or so months until an 09 comes out?

I think i might be better off looking elsewhere with all this *****footing around GM is doing.

Oh and what is this m6 everyone is throwing out there?

Reported elsewhere 1500 are built and in process of loading. I am assuming that they can ship 1500 at a time. Remember that they intend to build and shpi somewhere around 20,000 per calendar year.

Just over 700 dealers get one or more of the 888 above and beyond anything else. I would expect them to share in about 1/2 of the balance for the first 12 months of shipments. Lets consider top tier 700/2700 and 20,000 cars beyond the 888.

Top 700 split 10,000 cars that's about 15 each.

Next 700 get half of that , maybe 7 each for about 5000 more, next 700 half again, 3 or so, see the patteren.

Another way if 5 groups of 7-5-5-5-5-

1st 11,200 / 700 = 16 ea
2nd 5,600 / 500 = 11 ea
3rd 2,800 / 500 = 5-6 ea
4th 1,400 / 500 = 2-3 ea
5th 700 / 500 = 1-2 ea

total 21,700 / 2700

Mark this post and see if I am correct. Keep in mind that te hdealers that freely give info and/or participate in the forum are prpbably smaller dealers.


Top 700 get

Reported elsewhere 1500 are built and in process of loading. I am assuming that they can ship 1500 at a time. Remember that they intend to build and shpi somewhere around 20,000 per calendar year.

Just over 700 dealers get one or more of the 888 above and beyond anything else. I would expect them to share in about 2/3 of the balance for the first 12 months of shipments leaving about 7000 vehicles to spread around 2000 remaining dealers, 2-3 each

I think I read somewhere that around 500+ cars can be produced at the factory per day running 3 shifts, that includes all of the other vehicles that Holden produces. Also I can't imagine that more than 500 cars can fit on a boat, but I could be wrong. Maybe DY can chime in to give us some sort of idea. He might know how many GTO's were on a boat when shipped.

Reported elsewhere 1500 are built and in process of loading. I am assuming that they can ship 1500 at a time. Remember that they intend to build and shpi somewhere around 20,000 per calendar year.

Just over 700 dealers get one or more of the 888 above and beyond anything else. I would expect them to share in about 1/2 of the balance for the first 12 months of shipments. Lets consider top tier 700/2700 and 20,000 cars beyond the 888.

Top 700 split 10,000 cars that's about 15 each.

Next 700 get half of that , maybe 7 each for about 5000 more, next 700 half again, 3 or so, see the patteren.

Another way if 5 groups of 7-5-5-5-5-

1st 11,200 / 700 = 16 ea
2nd 5,600 / 500 = 11 ea
3rd 2,800 / 500 = 5-6 ea
4th 1,400 / 500 = 2-3 ea
5th 700 / 500 = 1-2 ea

total 21,700 / 2700

Mark this post and see if I am correct. Keep in mind that te hdealers that freely give info and/or participate in the forum are prpbably smaller dealers.


Top 700 get
Your estimates looks pretty reasonable.

I've already done some sampling. Out of 6 Pontiac dealers in my metro area the allocations break out as: 2,2,2,3,5,7. (it looks like it averages 3-4 per dealer). The dealer with 7 gets an additional 888 car. I don't know about the others.

I tried to search for the largest Pontic dealer in the US. Their allocation is 20. I also plugged in a dealer who does a huge volume but specialize in fleet/wholesale/internet and they only get 3 G8's.

Don't forget that competitive registrations is more of a factor then anything else in determining allocations. Also don't forget that retail Pontiac sales (vs. Fleet) is also a factor. Overall size of dealer means nothing.

You want to find a Pontiac dealer that specializes in retail vs. fleet right in the heart of Maxima, Charger and 300 territory.

Your estimates looks pretty reasonable.

I've already done some sampling. Out of 6 Pontiac dealers in my metro area the allocations break out as: 2,2,2,3,5,7. (it looks like it averages 3-4 per dealer). The dealer with 7 gets an additional 888 car. I don't know about the others.

I tried to search for the largest Pontic dealer in the US. Their allocation is 20. I also plugged in a dealer who does a huge volume but specialize in fleet/wholesale/internet and they only get 3 G8's.

Don't forget that competitive registrations is more of a factor then anything else in determining allocations. Also don't forget that retail Pontiac sales (vs. Fleet) is also a factor. Overall size of dealer means nothing.

You want to find a Pontiac dealer that specializes in retail vs. fleet right in the heart of Maxima, Charger and 300 territory.

I checked about 6 dealers in CT, NJ and NY the larger dealers (NY an NJ) had 7 and 6. The 4 CT dealers had 2-3-2-0.

I also read that max capacity for G8's was 30,000, but it wasn't clear if that is model or calendar year. Based on the info here, I am guessing that is calendar.

I remember a mention of a max capacity of 30,000 to 50,000 G8's annually when the G8 was introduced.

Here is a reference: http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070207/FREE/70205012/1063/ChicagoAutoShow

I have to believe the 20,000 number is max capacity for 2008 model year since it is supposedly shortened.

I guess we will see.

Chip

I remember a mention of a max capacity of 30,000 to 50,000 G8's annually when the G8 was introduced.

Here is a reference: http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070207/FREE/70205012/1063/ChicagoAutoShow

I have to believe the 20,000 number is max capacity for 2008 model year since it is supposedly shortened.

I guess we will see.

Chip

I found the article from this past July.

Holden Unveils New Export Model

Tim Dornin
4 July 2007
www.drive.com.au

Local car maker Holden is primed for a renewed assault on the lucrative US auto market, revealing a prototype of its latest export model, the Pontiac G8.

Based on the recently released VE Commodore, the new car will help secure the long-term future of vehicle manufacturing at the company's Elizabeth assembly operations in Adelaide.

Full production will begin later this year with Holden expected to ship more than 30,000 to the US each year from 2008.

That would lift production at Elizabeth to full capacity at 620 vehicles a day and lift Holden's annual exports to more than 70,000, or about half its total production.

Executive director of manufacturing Rod Keane said the Pontiac G8 was an extremely significant export program for Holden and a cornerstone of the company's business plan.

"Growing our export base is a vital part of achieving our long-term success and is a strategic imperative for our capacity utilisation here at Elizabeth," Mr Keane said.

"Traditionally we have been a local manufacturer that has exported.

"But as we move into this program we are balanced 50-50 between domestic and export."

Full production will begin later this year with Holden expected to ship more than 30,000 to the US each year from 2008.



If that 30ku is for CY '08 it will likely get split between '08 and '09 MY vehicles. I assume Holden converts to the next model year during the summer (ie their winter).

If this 30ku is equally split among '08 and '09 models, then the 2700 US dealers will average 5 '08 vehicles each. That sounds very close to the average allocations.