This guy came up behind me real fast on the on ramp to the freeway. I gunned it about 30 and let off around 65 after putting several car lengths on him. Then on the freeway I see in my mirror he is closing on me real fast again. I'm surprised that he is trying to get spanked a 2nd time, but I go ahead and punch it. He's hanging behind me all the way up to 120, but I'm pulling away slowly the whole time. Prolly had 6 car lengths at least by the time I decided to let off cuz I didn't want to get too much grief from the wifey. He then flew on by me and gave me the thumbs up.

I guess the GT is only around 300 hp so it wasn't a huge kill, but fun none the less. :)

Good kill, do you have a G8 GT, or GXP?

Good kill. Mustang must be stock cuz my buddy's 07 GT (full exhaust, tune, and intake) whooped my butt!

Good kill, do you have a G8 GT, or GXP?

GXP's aren't available yet. Probably a couple of months still at the earliest. Pricing hasn't even been announced on them yet.

he must have had a 6 banger 'cause thats rediculous! they post the same 1/4 as the g8

he must have had a 6 banger 'cause thats rediculous! they post the same 1/4 as the g8



Well that is what people do when they have a new car. They start thinking they can whoop everyone elses ass on the road. Usually it takes a little time before they get humbled. It happens with all cars that are fresh on the market and have new enthusiast support. I figure it will take another year or two before most new G8 GT owners understand where the car falls into the pecking order.

he must have had a 6 banger 'cause thats rediculous! they post the same 1/4 as the g8

If it was a V6, then I'm gonna sell the G8. My GT sure has heck better walk away from a V6 Mustang a lot faster than I was pulling away from this guy. It would have been almost embarrassing if a V6 was not just left totally in the dust.

he must have had a 6 banger 'cause thats rediculous! they post the same 1/4 as the g8

I bet it was a GT, Some people have a soft spot for the Mustang to say the least. Some mustang fans on this board.

not me,its just that my friend has had a few,and I do read MT alot...

bad driver=great kill for a g8,good driver=tie,could go either way

no matter what,up top,g8 is king.stang falls short on hp+torque,even though its lighter

I bet it was a GT, Some people have a soft spot for the Mustang to say the least. Some mustang fans on this board.



I don't believe it be a question of what cars people are fans of. The Mustang GT and G8 GT are a fairly well matched race. To have a G8 GT pull several car lengths from 30 to 65 is quite a feat. That is not a very long race and to pull multiple car lengths on a pretty well matched car will be difficult. I won't go so far as to assume he raced a V6 Mustang but I do believe that the driver of the Mustang must have been asleep at the wheel.

I want to ensure that people do not get an inflated expectation of what their G8 GT can do. Point of fact, I encountered the same thing when the S-197 (05+) Mustang GT's came out. All of their owners thought they were the fastest thing and got a big ego about it. They conducted themselves like idiots until they finally realized where they fell on the pecking order. I do not consider this a Ford vs GM discussion but more an experienced racer enlightening those whom are less experienced racers. The last line of the OP's post is what really influenced me to respond. It was c0cky as all hell. Based on that suffice it to say that the OP probably required a little reality check.

Congrats on the kill. You earned it, but don't become one of those guys who gets c0cky about it.

I guess the GT is only around 300 hp so it wasn't a huge kill, but fun none the less.

That's being ****y? It's a pretty even race if he and the other car are bone stock. Even against a Shelby it could come down to the driver. The advantage we have over the Mus. GT's is that we are able to tune and mod our cars more. Stock I was 298 at the rear wheels, 20 HP over the Shelby. You can bet where ever the G8 GT falls into the pecking order it will be far above the Stangs, and most of the Mopars. I have friends who own both that after riding in my car, don't want to even try me. We're not being ****y as you put it, we're just realists. ;)
STOCK MUSTANG GT
CLAIMED: 300 hp @ 5750 rpm, 320 lb-ft @ 4500 rpm
DYNO TESTED: 262 hp @ 5545 rpm, 285 lb-ft @ 4170 rpm
SHELBY GT-C
CLAIMED: 319 hp @ 5750 rpm, 330 lb-ft @ 4500 rpm
DYNO TESTED: 273 hp @ 5790 rpm, 304 lb-ft @ 4100 rpm

I guess the GT is only around 300 hp so it wasn't a huge kill, but fun none the less.

That's being ****y? It's a pretty even race if he and the other car are bone stock. Even against a Shelby it could come down to the driver. The advantage we have over the Mus. GT's is that we are able to tune and mod our cars more. Stock I was 298 at the rear wheels, 20 HP over the Shelby. You can bet where ever the G8 GT falls into the pecking order it will be far above the Stangs, and most of the Mopars. I have friends who own both that after riding in my car, don't want to even try me. We're not being ****y as you put it, we're just realists. ;)


You are able to tune and mod the G8 GT more??? Are you serious with this comment??? I suggest that you take a real look around at the mods available for the 05+ Mustang GT's. There are TONS of bolt on mods for them, lots of engine mods, and there are one hell of allot of supercharger and turbo systems for them. As of right now there is one hell of allot more mods available for the 05+ Mustang GT than the G8 GT. You really need to get your facts straight here man. Now in the future the available mods might tip the scales in favor of the G8 GT but not just yet. Hell, I hope the G8GT does end up pulling a stronger aftermarket following than the Mustang GT. That will mean that I will not have to make as many custom parts for this car on my own.

Those Shelby versions of the Mustang GT are a joke. Total ripoff for what you get. There is barely any power difference between the Shelby GT and the regular GT so it is not even worth mentioning that you compared your car against a Shelby GT because there is no considerable difference. Remember I am not referring to the GT500 which is in a whole different league.

From a stock vs stock dragrace standpoint the G8 GT is not very far above the Mustang GT at all; though it is above. Remember that it is not by far though. Now, from other standpoints such as looks, options, and handling I would have to agree with you. Why do you think I am picking a G8GT up here very soon? Because the offerings Ford has out right now, including the GT, do not appeal to me as much as this car does.

No offense manofsteel but your post pretty much outlines what I am talking about. Very underinformed on a few different levels. The G8GT has a FRACTION of the mods available for it that the 05+ Mustang GT's have for them. While the amount of mods a car has available for it has no bearing on a stock vs stock race like was mentioned here, it still makes the point that you may need to learn a little more about the competition before assuming too much about it.

Like I said, this is not a Ford versus GM thing. If the OP had said what he said about a Corvette I would have replied in the same fashion.

Remember that to be a realist an individual first has to know what they are talking about. If not, then that realist morphs into an idealist pretty quick.

The advantage we have over the Mus. GT's is that we are able to tune and mod our cars more

WHAT? Are you kidding or joking? I'll give you some time to think about that statement you made. Please explain afterwards.

Now in the future the available mods might tip the scales in favor of the G8 GT but not just yet. Hell, I hope the G8GT does end up pulling a stronger aftermarket following than the Mustang GT .

I hear ya Rocket, but we both know that will never happen.

Those Shelby versions of the Mustang GT are a joke. Total ripoff for what you get. There is barely any power difference between the Shelby GT and the regular GT so it is not even worth mentioning that you compared your car against a Shelby GT because there is no considerable difference .

I agree 110%, they are a joke for the price you pay.

From a stock vs stock dragrace standpoint the G8 GT is not very far above the Mustang GT at all; though it is above.

Can't argue that too much..... All I can say is that from a high-speed roll, a G8 GT should win. Let's remember that the G8 GT has recorded 5.3 - 5.4 seconds in the quarter while the Mustang GT has posted 5.1 - 5.3. Those numbers are too close to call.

I personally like the 08 Bullitt GT. I tend to think that an 08 Bullitt and G8 GT would be a pretty even race, maybe even giving the 1/4 to the Bullitt with the 6500 RPM redline and 3.73 gear. I still have my 01 GT that had some nice boltons ( no engine work) and a 4.10 gear and it can get out pretty nicely in the quarter and a roll on the highway. Not knocking the G8 in any way but the 2008 Bullitt is pretty nicely sorted out by Ford.

Oh and as far as the G8 GT being superior to MOST MOPARS comment is concerned, the pre-2009 5.7 HEMI with 340hp may fall behind the G8 GT, but the 2009 version with over 370+hp/390+tq in the revised 5.7 HEMI, I'm sure a re-test of the two cars will be much closer than before. As far as the 6.1 HEMI, I'm a little biased on that front and look forward to the GXP version coming out. That will be a nice battle...

"Can't argue that too much..... All I can say is that from a high-speed roll, a G8 GT should win. Let's remember that the G8 GT has recorded 5.3 - 5.4 seconds in the quarter while the Mustang GT has posted 5.1 - 5.3. Those numbers are too close to call."

Do you mean 0-60 (5.3-5.4 seconds in the quarter)? I hope so. Motor trend has a 0-60 time of 5.0 and 13.5 quarter mile for the G8. I've seen numbers from different mags and they've all been a little different. Either way, a good stock vs. stock race.

This is a racing/kill thread. That being said, lets not get off on a tangent and just leave these threads as what they are. A good story telling (biased or not) forum from the thread starter. Good day!

Agreed.

I guess it was only a matter of time until the ford cheering section showed up. Where've you guys been the mopar crowd has been here for months.

Mustang Gt's are jokes they have'nt been a threat to cars in they're class as far back as I can remember. SVT's and specialty mustangs are different. And if it was an "07" all he got is an old ford trying to keep up.

I bought an 08 Mustang GT 5-Speed (the wife) the day I got my G8 GT. If I launch at 2000rpm and speed shift the snot out of her I can hang with the G8 until about 70 MPH. Then the G8 just leaves it behind.

I raced an 07 mustang with pipes only. he hung about to 60 then i started pulling. mustang's is a draggster not a trackster. the g8 top end car, that is way better on high runs. so running from 30 mph and on, a g8 can run all over a mustang, but from a stopped position it can be interesting. by the way i hate rolling starts real drags run what you brung from a stopped position.:driving:

first thing, mustangs is only good for 1/4 miles, running on the highway like that is very possible that the g8 can run circles. now from a stop positions is a different story. the mustang is a great drag car but its only good for that 1/4 mile. i raced them in my ctsv and they pulled first but when i got to 3rd i left them. it was the same way in my g8, i raced an 07 once i got to 3rd i started pulling from him.

That's only because most mustang guys put shorter gears in their cars for acceleration. If they left the stockers in they would have more top end!

I guess it was only a matter of time until the ford cheering section showed up. Where've you guys been the mopar crowd has been here for months.


How about you stick to the issue at hand rather than lame attempts at personal shots? I do not see how what I or anyone else has said qualifies us as the "Ford cheering section". I remained objective and explained things from a factual standpoint. Now if you have anything more than snide comments to rebut that with then be my guest.


I never said the Mustang GT was better than the G8 GT. It is rather apparent that I like the G8 GT more than the Mustang GT's because that is what I am purchasing here within about a week. If I was such a Ford fanboy then I would have been planning to buy a Mustang GT for one hell of allot less money. My reason for posting was to provide a little reality to this thread. Keep making your comments guys, it only makes my original point even more solid.

I raced an 07 mustang with pipes only. he hung about to 60 then i started pulling. mustang's is a draggster not a trackster. the g8 top end car, that is way better on high runs. so running from 30 mph and on, a g8 can run all over a mustang, but from a stopped position it can be interesting. by the way i hate rolling starts real drags run what you brung from a stopped position.:driving:


No one ever contended that the G8 GT didn't in fact beat the Mustang GT. What I was debating was the MARGIN by which the win was claimed. Like I said, 30-65mph is a VERRRRRRY small window to pull much of any length in a reasonably matched race. While the G8 GT is faster than the Mustang it is a pretty reasonably matched race.

I'm gonna have to call Tigger out on the mod the G8 more comment. Mustang has one of if not the biggest aftermarkets out there. I hope the G8 can get that kind of attention. Only time will tell.

first thing, mustangs is only good for 1/4 miles, running on the highway like that is very possible that the g8 can run circles. now from a stop positions is a different story. the mustang is a great drag car but its only good for that 1/4 mile. i raced them in my ctsv and they pulled first but when i got to 3rd i left them. it was the same way in my g8, i raced an 07 once i got to 3rd i started pulling from him.

I raced an 07 mustang with pipes only. he hung about to 60 then i started pulling. mustang's is a draggster not a trackster. the g8 top end car, that is way better on high runs. so running from 30 mph and on, a g8 can run all over a mustang, but from a stopped position it can be interesting. by the way i hate rolling starts real drags run what you brung from a stopped position.:driving:

"Can't argue that too much..... All I can say is that from a high-speed roll, a G8 GT should win. Let's remember that the G8 GT has recorded 5.3 - 5.4 seconds in the quarter while the Mustang GT has posted 5.1 - 5.3. Those numbers are too close to call."

Do you mean 0-60 (5.3-5.4 seconds in the quarter)? I hope so. Motor trend has a 0-60 time of 5.0 and 13.5 quarter mile for the G8. I've seen numbers from different mags and they've all been a little different. Either way, a good stock vs. stock race.



Yeah, I think that's what I said http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/6079/cwm15eh9.gif (http://imageshack.us) ; the quarter. Remember, I agree that a G8 GT should be a Mustang GT from a roll.

The Mustang is NOT a highway runner, people make that mistake about this car. If more Mustang owners would would operate at speeds they have advantages in, there would be more wins. Digs, and low speed rolls.

You ford and mopar guys are pathetic. We better get used to it fellas. This is all they do, is come on GM boards and **** on them.

I'll ignore that comment about pathetic because as far as my post are concerned, I've clearly stated that the G8 GT will beat the Mustang.

Not sure why these always have to turn into a Ford/ GM / Mopar deal and name calling, but whoever said the Mustang has lost it's place in the performance world is correct.

If you look at a stock GT, it isn't the threat it used to be - and I own two Mustangs. It's still a pretty good bang for the buck (and lot's of aftermarket support), but back in the day you didn't have to worry about a family car running you down!

Yeah the name calling is a bit much. Nobody in this thread has s$%t on the G8 GT. I do not know about other threads as I have only been on here for a short time but I have never disrespected a GM product and am a member of a couple of GM boards. As matter of fact, I frequent the ls1gto.com site daily and have posted on that board on a few occassions with nothing but respectable posts towards GTOs. I currently own a Mustang and have owned three other GTs prior to this one and just as stated above, it is still a pretty good bang for the buck, although the performance today of all but the specialty Mustangs leaves a little to be desired stock. I guess those of us that own other vehicles but visit this site because we have respect for a performance car like the G8 GT and upcoming GXP, should just shut up and read and never post since we are not exactly welcome over here.

What does this make me? I love my Ford but have a G8 on order...

:(

Personally I like all cars for different reasons. I like the Mustang. May have bought one if it was 4 doors and had a bit more power for the weight increase. I like the rumors of Ford using a larger engine in the newer ones but even the turbo V6 with over 340hp would be OK with me.

I've never owned a Pontiac so I hope I like it. 5 Fords, Honda, Oldsmobile(1st car), and a Saturn.

Not sure why these always have to turn into a Ford/ GM / Mopar deal and name calling, but whoever said the Mustang has lost it's place in the performance world is correct.

If you look at a stock GT, it isn't the threat it used to be - and I own two Mustangs. It's still a pretty good bang for the buck (and lot's of aftermarket support), but back in the day you didn't have to worry about a family car running you down!


The funny thing is that it is not the "Ford supporters" in here that are causing the problem here. We are simply stating the facts and doing so in a surprisingly objective manner. Look at the previous posts in this thread and notice who tries to make personal attacks at whom.

I agree that the Mustang GT's are underpowered. It is a musclecar without enough muscle. To be competitive for the other cars gunning for it they need to have at least 40-50 more hp in stock form.

What does this make me? I love my Ford but have a G8 on order...

:(


I see you and I are in a similar position. I think that makes you a "car" enthusiast versus just a Ford enthusiast. I think that is the best way to be. Whether I prefer to own a given vehicle or not I can still respect why others might.


Personally I like all cars for different reasons. I like the Mustang. May have bought one if it was 4 doors and had a bit more power for the weight increase. I like the rumors of Ford using a larger engine in the newer ones but even the turbo V6 with over 340hp would be OK with me.


I have mixed feelings about the Mustang possibly getting a turbo 6. I am very partial to the V8 rumble. It would take some getting used to but I suppose there is a chance I could learn to like it if they made good power. I don't know if I would buy one...that is another story.

I see you and I are in a similar position. I think that makes you a "car" enthusiast versus just a Ford enthusiast. I think that is the best way to be. Whether I prefer to own a given vehicle or not I can still respect why others might.

I can live with that!




I have mixed feelings about the Mustang possibly getting a turbo 6. I am very partial to the V8 rumble. It would take some getting used to but I suppose there is a chance I could learn to like it if they made good power. I don't know if I would buy one...that is another story.

Yeah I hear ya but fuel costs are going to necessitate some change on our part me thinks! Why can't they make the V6 sound more like a V12 in a Ferrari? :)

I agree - that was my point. I just like cars and respect all makes even though I was brought up in an all Ford family.

The funny thing is that it is not the "Ford supporters" in here that are causing the problem here. We are simply stating the facts and doing so in a surprisingly objective manner. Look at the previous posts in this thread and notice who tries to make personal attacks at whom.

I agree that the Mustang GT's are underpowered. It is a musclecar without enough muscle. To be competitive for the other cars gunning for it they need to have at least 40-50 more hp in stock form.

I'll ignore that comment about pathetic because as far as my post are concerned, I've clearly stated that the G8 GT will beat the Mustang.

No, i was not talking about you.

No, i was not talking about you.


Then, for purpose of clarity, who were you talking about?

i eat mustangs fa breakfast and crap chargers by dinner baby thats all i gotta say, bone stock we are weigh mo betta

im with him./\

I hate to bring up an old thread but my roommate has an '03 mustang with CAI, exhaust and chip and dynoed 250WHP/289TRQ and G8 walks on him.

Am I the only one that believes if the G8 GT got out of the hole better it would do pretty well down the quarter? 5.3 isn't that great. Wish this thing was a manual. Might drop it into the 4's.

yep

I hate to bring up an old thread but my roommate has an '03 mustang with CAI, exhaust and chip and dynoed 250WHP/289TRQ and G8 walks on him.

Am I the only one that believes if the G8 GT got out of the hole better it would do pretty well down the quarter? 5.3 isn't that great. Wish this thing was a manual. Might drop it into the 4's.

An 03 Mustang GT is quite different from an 07 Mustang GT. Using that as a basis for comparison isn't really accurate.

The G8 GT will beat an 07 GT and will rape an 03 GT stock vs stock but that wasn't the discussion here. Read back in the posts a little further and you will see it was the distance that the 07 GT got beat which was in question.

Actually, it's very close....

an 07 stock weighs roughly 3,400lbs and has approxiamtely 260WHP...
And the 03 I'm talking about is 3,200lbs and has 250WHP...

While comparing the cars there are ALWAYS difference and I'm simply stating my situation to give a rough estimate. I'm aware of what the threads about.

Of course there are gear ratios involved that I don't know about. I guess I'm missing your point when I see the numbers here.

it was a GT with a bad driver otherwise it would have been close

if it was a v6 it you would have not been able to see it in your rear view

but the Mustang without a doubt has the most potential of any car sold today...they have so many aftermarket parts available.....i mean a lot

how many companies make parts just for mustangs?.......

good kill though...is your engine broken in yet and are you stock?

Actually, it's very close....

an 07 stock weighs roughly 3,400lbs and has approxiamtely 260WHP...
And the 03 I'm talking about is 3,200lbs and has 250WHP...

While comparing the cars there are ALWAYS difference and I'm simply stating my situation to give a rough estimate. I'm aware of what the threads about.

Of course there are gear ratios involved that I don't know about. I guess I'm missing your point when I see the numbers here.


I am stating things because I have raced and driven both the 99-04 GT's as well as the S-197 GT's (05+). The S-197 is faster by a decent margin than the 99-04 GT. There is more to winning a race than just hp vs vehicle weight and it seems that you are aware of that. The comment you made about your roommates GT and how it compares to the 05+ GT and how that, in turn, compares to the G8 is not an accurate comparison. Extrapolations like that is just guesses. That would be like me saying that I beat a Corvette who beat a Camaro so I will automatically beat it too. To make a logical comparison just race the two cars in question and stop playing the "benchracing numbers" game. I am with Commodore on this....bad driver in the Mustang GT...G8GT still would have won but not by that great a margin.

I am stating things because I have raced and driven both the 99-04 GT's as well as the S-197 GT's (05+). The S-197 is faster by a decent margin than the 99-04 GT. There is more to winning a race than just hp vs vehicle weight and it seems that you are aware of that. The comment you made about your roommates GT and how it compares to the 05+ GT and how that, in turn, compares to the G8 is not an accurate comparison. Extrapolations like that is just guesses. That would be like me saying that I beat a Corvette who beat a Camaro so I will automatically beat it too. To make a logical comparison just race the two cars in question and stop playing the "benchracing numbers" game. I am with Commodore on this....bad driver in the Mustang GT...G8GT still would have won but not by that great a margin.

I appreciate what you are trying to get across and yes my statement isn't exactly the same as directly racing an 07, however, it's very close which was my point. Since I'm stating car numbers that excludes drivers ability eliminating a variable.

It's benchmark versus symmantics game we're are now playing.

And to be honest, my buddies mustang tied my other friends S2K and my G8 GT is faster than the mustang, my car is faster than the S2k. That logic does work. If no driver error is involved. It doesn't magically get faster when it races me.

I also want to make clear I'm not saying he'd smack up the mustang, I just said it walks; not runs.

And to be honest, my buddies mustang tied my other friends S2K and my G8 GT is faster than the mustang, my car is faster than the S2k. That logic does work. If no driver error is involved. It doesn't magically get faster when it races me.


The reason why this is not accurate is because when making a comparison like this you are needlessly introducing more variables into the equation that may or may not be accounted for. If all races were under the EXACT same conditions then these comparisons would hold true but they are not. they are done at different speeds, gears, traction conditions, weather conditions and so on. That is why it is much better if you just make a direct comparison rather than an extrapolation.

The reason why this is not accurate is because when making a comparison like this you are needlessly introducing more variables into the equation that may or may not be accounted for. If all races were under the EXACT same conditions then these comparisons would hold true but they are not. they are done at different speeds, gears, traction conditions, weather conditions and so on. That is why it is much better if you just make a direct comparison rather than an extrapolation.

I'm confused what we are debating on?

I'm talking probablilities based on an actual race and benchmark results. I'm am implying that G8 GT would probably win. I'm not saying it's a fact. My explanation was on two cars and not two drivers. It was a comparison to be used how you will. You are telling me it's not a comparison to use and i'm saying it's dang close and asking why it's a problem it was stated. Maybe I should have put a disclaimer - bar no driver errors, same gas tank size, empty load, no deer jumps out, at sea level, on Interstate 5 during no traffic, etc... I'm in a Pontiac board stating probabilities in about a race that doesn't even sound like a race. I think we all get my point here.

I think it goes without saying that just because a car is slightly faster doesn't mean it's going to win every race. But, the car is still slightly faster, regaurdless of race results. There are other faults that could cause it to lose, driver error, wind, traffic, extra passengers, gas tank size an amount of fuel.

I've lost races in my old E46 M3, as an example, against a slower car because I had a full tank of gas, computer equipment in the trunk and 2 extra passengers. The person told me his car was faster and I said no, you just simply won a race in that situation. When we re-ran, I won with no extra weight in my car.

I could have added way more details about the 03 Stang GT vs G8 GT, but why? Every post in the "Kill Section" is ALL GUESSES. If you prefer real races, you should spend time debating such things in the 1/4 mile results which take into effect everything you are stating.

I'm confused what we are debating on?

I'm talking probablilities based on an actual race and benchmark results. I'm am implying that G8 GT would probably win. I'm not saying it's a fact. My explanation was on two cars and not two drivers. It was a comparison to be used how you will. You are telling me it's not a comparison to use and i'm saying it's dang close and asking why it's a problem it was stated. Maybe I should have put a disclaimer - bar no driver errors, same gas tank size, empty load, no deer jumps out, at sea level, on Interstate 5 during no traffic, etc... I'm in a Pontiac board stating probabilities in about a race that doesn't even sound like a race. I think we all get my point here.

I think it goes without saying that just because a car is slightly faster doesn't mean it's going to win every race. But, the car is still slightly faster, regaurdless of race results. There are other faults that could cause it to lose, driver error, wind, traffic, extra passengers, gas tank size an amount of fuel.

I've lost races in my old E46 M3, as an example, against a slower car because I had a full tank of gas, computer equipment in the trunk and 2 extra passengers. The person told me his car was faster and I said no, you just simply won a race in that situation. When we re-ran, I won with no extra weight in my car.

I could have added way more details about the 03 Stang GT vs G8 GT, but why? Every post in the "Kill Section" is ALL GUESSES. If you prefer real races, you should spend time debating such things in the 1/4 mile results which take into effect everything you are stating.






Oh my god man, nevermind.