I am so weary of trying to find new info among all the whiners and compainers that seem to hijack every thread. So please, will the 80% of the forum members that have nothing but bitches and complaints and rants about how they can't have this, that, another color, less/more chrome, or where the f00kin' gas filler door is located please post here. that way those of us that are just happy as hell that a car like this is now available don't have to look at 20 minuites of negative crap every time we log in.

Thank You.:thumbsup:

:banghead:Yeah, I know this is in the wrong place, but I couldn't resist giving the whiners something new to bitch about. :banghead:

Dear God!

Well said.

I'm sorry man... I don't have anything to whine about. I'm anticipating the car's arrival, and from all of the info I've seen so far I love it.

It doesn't have a ton of chrome, it has just enough to highlight its features. I was getting sick of the cheap black plastic sills. I am happy that they put the chrome on the G8. It gives it a more luxury appeal. Infinity is doing it, BMW is doing it... All of them are doing it. It fits, I think. The Chrome accent around the grill fits nicely, I think. I don't see how the car has too much chrome, I think its just enough to be appealing.

The color pallet is filled with colors that typically sell. Wasting money on low selling colors would be stupid. Come on, have you ever seen a Big YELLOW sedan? Not in the US.

The Gas filler thing's got me.... I don't see what the big deal is.

I don't use blue tooth, got it on my phone, and hardly ever use it anyways. I don't like to be constantly bothered by my phone.

Navigation systems annoy me... I know where I'm going. I just wanted the LCD screen, and its available. :)

Sorry to hijack your thread, but I wanted to use it to show ya that yer not alone in your fatigue of moaning and groaning. Everyone wants to pick apart a car that is far better and much more refined than Pontiac has ever had before. It is appealing, and shows good taste; Those aussie folks know how to design a car.

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

I can't wait to get my G8! First 888 GT! Just cause I can! :gears:

Over and out. :offtheair:

Roger that y'all.

So please, will the 80% of the forum members that have nothing but bitches and complaints and rants about how they can't have this, that, another color, less/more chrome, or where the f00kin' gas filler door is located please post here. that way those of us that are just happy as hell that a car like this is now available don't have to look at 20 minuites of negative crap every time we log in.



I really don't see it that way. Keep in mind 5 years ago practically everyone on the 'net dogged the GTO except on my board. I don't think the members here hate the G8. I think we are all critiquing it. The NAV, Bluetooth, and XM are unfortunate casualty. The power levels will grow to some of our expectations. And after the 'bomb' is dropped and sales meet expectations they can take the platform to new levels of options to appeal to more people.

I really don't see it that way. Keep in mind 5 years ago practically everyone on the 'net dogged the GTO except on my board. I don't think the members here hate the G8. I think we are all critiquing it. The NAV, Bluetooth, and XM are unfortunate casualty. The power levels will grow to some of our expectations. And after the 'bomb' is dropped and sales meet expectations they can take the platform to new levels of options to appeal to more people.

i agree 100%! this is a board about discussing the vehicle, opinions will always be evident on a board like this. but to everyone their own. i personally cant wait to see this car in person, then the real critiquing (sp?) will start.

chrish

I feel that if things are too bad, someone of some importance such as a site mod. or site admin. will let the membership know.

Until then we should enjoy this site and feel free to completely discuss the new G8. I am certain there will be a lot of good things do discuss, however there will be things some like and some dislike about the car. Either way, this is a discussion board and members should feel free to discuss all aspects of the new car.

I am anxiously awaiting delivery of cars to the Houston and I am neither happy or unhappy about the car, but I will freely post what I desire to post, within reason.

Agreed. It can be annoying though when people just seem to post about negatives. Not everybody does that. But the name of the board being G8board... one would think that it would be for fans. Now most of us are, but it begs the question...

"If you think its so bad, why did you join?"

The only reason someone would do such a thing is to convince everybody else that they are right. Its like joining the Star Wars fan club, but not really being into Star Wars. I suppose, that can be annoying.

But all disagreements aside, I don't care what other people think about it. But I'll say it when I think people are beating a subject to death,.

To be fair, some peoples' complaints didn't arise till info was released after people joined.

I am unhappy - I can't afford a new Commodore - I have to be satisfied just drooling each time my brother visits in his Calais V... :cursin::banghead::aus_flag::thumbsup:

I'm unhappy b/c the G8 isn't on dealer lots yet. Does that count?

PMD your gto needs to lose its spoiler.................:stickpoke:

PMD your gto needs to lose its spoiler.................:stickpoke:

You mean, like this?? ;)

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i110/PMDGTO/IMG_5342Large.jpg

I agree that there are some people that complain about too much but there are a couple of things that I feel ARE worth complaining about, a M6 not being available at launch is #1.

Bluetooth, XM follow up the list, it's not so much wanting to complain about them but I want GM to have a successfull car and one that I would be interested in, M6 is a deal breaker for me, bluetooth, XM not really but it does make you start comparing it to other cars on the market in the same price range with those options standard.

The most common complaints seem to be........in no particular order
1. No M6 upon model launch
2. Need for a wider range of colours
3. Bluetooth, xm, sat/nav
4. Wheel choices
5. Pontiac or Holden front

Yep pmd....no spoiler like in your 2nd pic..looks a lot better IMO............didn't mean to hijack the thread.

I am unhappy - I can't afford a new Commodore - I have to be satisfied just drooling each time my brother visits in his Calais V... :cursin::banghead::aus_flag::thumbsup:
Isszy - You have a perfect right to be unhappy. There you are in a place where you can get the car we are dying to get, and you are short on $.

Hmmmm, all I can think of is maybe knock over a couple of McDonalds while wearing a ski mask. :P

I'm unhappy b/c the G8 isn't on dealer lots yet. Does that count?
Darn right it does PMD!! I can't sleep waiting for the G8 GT that I ordered on 12/5/07 to get onto dry land.:cursin:

Bitching and complaining is an important aspect of any message board. It's how many problems get resolved. Another board I am a member of has a member who actually works for manufacturer and they troll the boards all of the time to find out what people like and dislike, and what features they would like to see in the next gen of vehicle. There have been many cases lately (Toyota Tundra) in which the company issues TSBs because the problems were so widespread on the message boards alone.

So my bitches appear to be common. No XM, No Nav, and no HID option. It appears to be a great value for the money, but when you compare your vehicle to a 5 Series these options will be glaring omissions.

Im here to bitch about people that bitch about people that bitch.

Whats the big deal about no NAV? Dont you people know how to get where you are going?

I see XM as a valid complaint. Terrestrial radio sucks.

Im here to bitch about people that bitch about people that bitch.
Would you like fries with that?:huh:

Whats the big deal about no NAV? Dont you people know how to get where you are going?

I see XM as a valid complaint. Terrestrial radio sucks.

The big deal is some people *gasp* actually have a need for it! Some of us don't spend 95% of our lives in the same 20 sq mile area. Some us don't have the time to print dozens of pages of mapquest when we drive somewhere we are unfamiliar.

Some of you don't need, I get it, but the same arguement could be made for lack of XM, some old timers just need two AM stations right?

Again, at $30k+ this vehicle should at least have an OPTION for Nav. I was trolling the GM message board and there quite a few people over there that are also pissed about lack of Bluetooth, Nav and XM. Each of these people is a potential sale and right now GM needs every sale it can get.

My brother's kids came over for a sleepover last night so he and his wife could go to a wedding.

His hungover and bleary eyed trip to my place this morning uncovered a serious flaw in the Calais ! Despite having satnav, cruise control and front and rear parking sensors, he still had to stay awake and actually drive the car the 20km to my place !

:dunno::sneaky::D

did someone say something about bitches????:boink:
jk

The big deal is some people *gasp* actually have a need for it! Some of us don't spend 95% of our lives in the same 20 sq mile area. Some us don't have the time to print dozens of pages of mapquest when we drive somewhere we are unfamiliar.

Some of you don't need, I get it, but the same arguement could be made for lack of XM, some old timers just need two AM stations right?

Again, at $30k+ this vehicle should at least have an OPTION for Nav. I was trolling the GM message board and there quite a few people over there that are also pissed about lack of Bluetooth, Nav and XM. Each of these people is a potential sale and right now GM needs every sale it can get.

Get a Garmin or TomTom. Problem solved and much cheaper than factory installed nav.

Get a Garmin or TomTom. Problem solved and much cheaper than factory installed nav.

Wow, I had never thought about that! /sarcasm

True it's cheaper, but you still have to have them updated with new maps/software, it looks like crap and they are easy to steal. If you don't want them stolen you have to remove it from the car or hide the unit at each stop or overnight.

$1500 is well worth the convenience to me, and apparently quite a few other people out there.

Pushing Tin, I agree about the lack of XM, Bluetooth, and Nav. While I can figure out ways around a number of those things, the bottom line is that the cars in this class have those items. Charger, Maxima, Infiniti all have these things as options.

Having said that, I believe Pontiac agrees with us and got caught by bad communication (XM), technical glitches (Bluetooth), and NHTSA guidelines(NAV because of center stack layout). I guess I take some comfort in the fact Pontiac was/is attempting to incorporate these features. Maybe in the next design phase, they will get all of the things right. GTO was version .5 (minimal changes, more of get it here fast), G8 is version 1 (fundamental platform was for a global design, interior still suffers from lack of planning for the US market), G8 successor would be version 2 (hopefully interior accomodates needs of US market without technical or regulatory issues, still global platform).

Remember, option packages not only give buyers what they want, but drive additional revenue to the manufacturer. Last time I checked, GM still needs the additional revenue.

And, I still plan on getting the car. I will most likely make the changes to accomodate my needs.

Chip

Would you like fries with that?:huh:

Im archerm3 here to bitch about people r.penguin that bitch about people complainers that bitch.

:gr_jest::stickpoke::punch::angel::whine::drink:

I am so weary of trying to find new info among all the whiners and compainers that seem to hijack every thread. So please, will the 80% of the forum members that have nothing but bitches and complaints and rants about how they can't have this, that, another color, less/more chrome, or where the f00kin' gas filler door is located please post here. that way those of us that are just happy as hell that a car like this is now available don't have to look at 20 minuites of negative crap every time we log in.

Thank You.:thumbsup:

So if you like it the way it is, what purpose do you have for looking up new info?

:stickpoke:

Just giving you a little friendly look in the mirror jesting.

Pushing Tin, I agree about the lack of XM, Bluetooth, and Nav. While I can figure out ways around a number of those things, the bottom line is that the cars in this class have those items. Charger, Maxima, Infiniti all have these things as options.

Having said that, I believe Pontiac agrees with us and got caught by bad communication (XM), technical glitches (Bluetooth), and NHTSA guidelines(NAV because of center stack layout). I guess I take some comfort in the fact Pontiac was/is attempting to incorporate these features. Maybe in the next design phase, they will get all of the things right. GTO was version .5 (minimal changes, more of get it here fast), G8 is version 1 (fundamental platform was for a global design, interior still suffers from lack of planning for the US market), G8 successor would be version 2 (hopefully interior accomodates needs of US market without technical or regulatory issues, still global platform).

Remember, option packages not only give buyers what they want, but drive additional revenue to the manufacturer. Last time I checked, GM still needs the additional revenue.

And, I still plan on getting the car. I will most likely make the changes to accomodate my needs.

Chip

Thanks for the feeback Chip. I'm not here to bash the car because I have nothing better to do. I'm here because I am very interested in buying this car, and right now it lacks the features I would expect for a vehicle at this price point. Yes it will be a fun and exciting driving experience, but for many of us driving also includes bumper to bumper traffic and the daily commute. That's why creature comforts are just as important to me as performance. Hopefully feedback from potential customers like me and others "bitching" GM will make a few modest changes and sell more cars!

I'm thirlled that it will have remote start! I'd also like to see a direct port for USB so I can play MP3s.

Thanks for the feeback Chip. I'm not here to bash the car because I have nothing better to do. I'm here because I am very interested in buying this car, and right now it lacks the features I would expect for a vehicle at this price point. Yes it will be a fun and exciting driving experience, but for many of us driving also includes bumper to bumper traffic and the daily commute. That's why creature comforts are just as important to me as performance. Hopefully feedback from potential customers like me and others "bitching" GM will make a few modest changes and sell more cars!

I'm thirlled that it will have remote start! I'd also like to see a direct port for USB so I can play MP3s.

Our reasoning for complaining is very similar. I can almost guarantee that there are some GM/Pontiac engineers that are as frustrated as you and I.

I think we will get something like the direct port for USB in MY09 called the Personal Audio Link (here is a link with some info: http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=1462658). However, this is geared directly toward iPods.

I see the G8 GT in the Grand Touring tradition. If you look at the definition provided on Wikipedia, it seems to describe the G8 GT:

"A grand tourer (Italian: Gran Turismo), (initialised GT), is a high-performance automobile designed for long-distance driving. Any such car could be considered a grand tourer, but the traditional and most common body style is the coupé (two door) with either a two-seat or a 2+2 seat arrangement.

Grand tourers differ from typical sports cars (e.g. Lotus Elise, Porsche 911) in that they are usually larger, heavier (sometimes more than 3,500 lbs), and tend to make less compromise in comfort for the sake of driving ability. For this reason, most have front-mounted engines, which leave more space for the cabin than mid-mounted engines. They also tend to have softer suspensions to provide good ride quality. However, grand tourers do have similarities with sports cars, such as their use mainly of rear- or four-wheel drive, and the term sports car may be used to describe a car with grand touring qualities." Except for the coupe description, this is very descriptive of the G8's function. This is also why those features (XM, Nav, Bluetooth) are natural expectations. In a weekend car (GTO, Corvette, etc.), I could do without. However, I can expect at times to spend a great deal of time in the car warping along the interstate from point A to point B. I like the idea of comfort. Now, I also like the backroads and listening to the exhaust note too. But, I really don't think I should need to compromise.

Chip

I'm thirlled that it will have remote start! I'd also like to see a direct port for USB so I can play MP3s.

So wait, yer pissed because ya gotta get an adapter? Is that hard or something? Cause last time I checked, it said iPod/MP3 player...

Edit: My suggestion, is that you guys wait for the next model year. Odds are some things will be added. Is it really that essential that you get it now?

So wait, yer pissed because ya gotta get an adapter? Is that hard or something? Cause last time I checked, it said iPod/MP3 player...

Edit: My suggestion, is that you guys wait for the next model year. Odds are some things will be added. Is it really that essential that you get it now?

Well it's better than nothing I suppose. I also have a Dodge Ram 1500 with an aftermarket head unit that cost me about $200. It is satellite radio ready and comes with a USB port right in front. All I have to do is plug my little thumb drive in. No Ipod to mess with, no wires, no batteries to charge etc. Much easier and the technology has been around for a year or two already.

And yes, if I'm going to drop $30 large on a car I want it to be as perfect as possible, is the concept really that difficult to grasp?

Of course. And no, it is not a difficult concept.

But either is the concept of waiting. If it doesn't have what you want now, then don't get it. See what changes in the 2nd model year. By that time, you could save up enough money to increase your bargaining power.

Of course. And no, it is not a difficult concept.

But either is the concept of waiting. If it doesn't have what you want now, then don't get it. See what changes in the 2nd model year. By that time, you could save up enough money to increase your bargaining power.

That's exactly what I plan on doing, and there are others with the same sentiments. Now, when I take my first test drive it's possible that I'll fall in love with the car and not want to wait.

Time will tell.

Wow, I had never thought about that! /sarcasm

True it's cheaper, but you still have to have them updated with new maps/software, it looks like crap and they are easy to steal. If you don't want them stolen you have to remove it from the car or hide the unit at each stop or overnight.

$1500 is well worth the convenience to me, and apparently quite a few other people out there.



It takes all of 5 seconds to put a portable in the glove box or the center console. Paying $1500 for 5 seconds of my time definitely isnt worth it.

Wow, I had never thought about that! /sarcasm

True it's cheaper, but you still have to have them updated with new maps/software, it looks like crap and they are easy to steal. If you don't want them stolen you have to remove it from the car or hide the unit at each stop or overnight.

Rolling up the windows and locking the doors usually helps.

The integrated nav units are pretty handy, but the smaller units are available and with less cost; for most its a better buy.

However, blue tooth would be a nice option for those who can't get the phone off of their ears while in the car. Perhaps that beeotch wouldn't have hit my rear end if she wasn't yacking on the phone about whatever.

She gets outta the car, I gotta go, I just hit someone...

wtf.

It takes all of 5 seconds to put a portable in the glove box or the center console. Paying $1500 for 5 seconds of my time definitely isnt worth it.


I don't think it takes 5 seconds, but doing that 5 times a day every day for years is lame.

Rolling up the windows and locking the doors usually helps.

Wow, another wonderful tip that had never crossed my mind! Thanks so much!!

Unfortunately we have have a lot of scumbag tweakers here, if they see anything of value, they will smash your window and steal EVERYTHING in the car. And often times the car itself if they can.

I use maps. Like the paper kind.

I use maps. Like the paper kind.


http://www.zjstech.net/~library/2255/duh.jpg

Bluetooth Wireless, Navigation, and XM.
There are a few things missing from that last paragraph. Pontiac has fitted every G8 with the latest OnStar system with integrated turn by turn navigation. While the subsystems are present for Bluetooth integration it will not be an option to begin with. It seems like the Holden Bluetooth hardware will work within the G8. It was apparent that Pontiac engineering is still trying to work the ability for the stereo recognize the Bluetooth connection while simultaneously processing OnStar audio/data. Unfortunately the Holden Assist system is not a direct replacement for the GMNA OnStar system. The second thing missing is the Navigation option. Without getting too much into details, the Holden Navigation does not meet NHTSA guidelines. While it does not violate any current regulations, it does not look like it will be an option soon. I may have to find some more engineering details to see if cars with the upgraded center stack could accept the OEM Navigation unit - and then if North American maps could be loaded to it. XM is also not an integrated option, however it sounds like Pontiac is planning on offering a incentive on an XM receiver when purchasing a G8.

That is from the review, so it looks like the reason for the missing nav and bluetooth are victims of importing, and I bet they'll be offered later; at least bluetooth should be.

So if you like it the way it is, what purpose do you have for looking up new info?

:stickpoke:

Just giving you a little friendly look in the mirror jesting.

Try as I might, I can't find the logic in that statement. I'm not too bright, so I'll keep trying.:dunno:

The integrated nav units are pretty handy, but the smaller units are available and with less cost; for most its a better buy.

However, blue tooth would be a nice option for those who can't get the phone off of their ears while in the car. Perhaps that beeotch wouldn't have hit my rear end if she wasn't yacking on the phone about whatever.

She gets outta the car, I gotta go, I just hit someone...

wtf.
Not the 'Vette! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

That is from the review, so it looks like the reason for the missing nav and bluetooth are victims of importing, and I bet they'll be offered later; at least bluetooth should be.

Hence the source of my frustration. This car was supposed to be engineered for the US, unlike the GTO. From other posts by DY, it does look like Pontiac is trying to integrate bluetooth and is being stymied by also having Onstar.

The Nav is a goner unless they reengineer the center stack to move the screen higher and deeper. GM has Nav it all kinds of cars in this price range. How could this positioning escape them unless it was already set by the time Pontiac engineers became involved (HUD was definitely a victim of this)? XM appears to be the same victim.

Look, I am a huge fan of the car. I want this car to be a success. I want it to lockin RWD for Pontiac. The GTO was a semi success. But GM needs this car to sell twice as many as the GTO and without discounts. If the demand is great enough, it should also shore up our resale values.

Therefore, the appeal has to extend beyond the musclecar fans. It needs to stand on its own without excuses. Look at the demographic they are targeting. The majority in that demographic will expect the features that we are talking about. You know, I feel strongly that this car needs the 6MT even though I want being buying one. It is part of the statement GM needs to be making with the Pontiac flagship car. No excuses. Period.

I will definitely be buying a G8. I will not be one of the first because I want to see what the GXP version will offer before I commit. But I will buy either a GT or GXP.

Chip

Chip, second MY vehicles almost always have more in the way of options. Besides, they need to save something for the GXP. Take a deep breath, and strengthen your resolve to hold out for an '09/'10 GXP with all the bells and whistles!

The first model year production is almost over. Soon, the next model year cars will be built.

GM wanted to get the G8 to the market ASAP. The Commodore was not engineered for the US. The US isn't that special. It was engineered with the USA in mind, however it's still an Australian car.

Alot of engineering goes into a car, and in this case, re-engineering. So they have to pick and chose what gets priority. Bluetooth and the Nav Unit obviously weren't at the top of the list. I'm sure if we knew what was at the top of the list we'd be thanking the Almighty that they did as they did.

I understand some of the disappointment, but I think y'all are making a mountain out of a mole hill. No one is putting a gun to your head to tell you to buy the first short model year, and many have obviously decided to see what MY2 has to offer. So what need is there to further agonize over what isn't offered in MY1 if you aren't buying MY1.

Maybe instead of talking about it here, everyone should be emailing Pontiac and asking them. Believe me, if as many people emailed them in one sweep as people that complained amongst themselves... they would likely take the input. The engineers want to get it right too.

But the truth is, not a heck of alot of people care about blue-tooth integration. I think it would be quite handy, but I can live without it; as can the hordes of folks who still hold the cell up to their ear and look at the screen dialing whilst driving.. They won't even go to circuit city and buy a bloody blue tooth ear piece. So what makes ya think they care about it not being in their car?

Integrated Nav units never sold well unless they were automatically included, like in a luxury car. I bet the Grand Prix nav unit didn't sell well. That told GM that it shouldn't be a priority. I'm quite sure it did not escape them as to what to do. It costs money. Every project has a working budget. You guys act as if it is unlimited.

I'm sorry, but I don't think the lack of Bluetooth, and a Nav unit is that big of a deal. Did you see the MY2 extra accessories? DVD Screens in the headrests? Obviously GM isn't planning on keeping it as is. I would hardly call it stripped down, or a failure.

GM wanted to make this car a performer, with comfort for the ride for a good price. When you look at optioned out Chryslers and Dodges, you're approaching 50,000 dollars. Pontiac does not have a good nation wide reputation right now. How many people would be interested in paying THAT much for a Pontiac.

I'm sorry, as much as I love Pontiacs, it pains me to say that most people would laugh at that and still yet go buy a Chrysler. They don't care what's inside; they won't pay 45,000 - 50,000 for a Pontiac. Any folks here are in the thin minority.

Ramsesiii, do you have a contact e-mail for Pontiac/GM, if so I will absolutely send them an e-mail. I agree with what you're saying, but the problem IMO is that Pontiac/GM themselves are comparing this car to others at similar prices, so people are going to notice the lack of Nav, Bluetooth and XM.

And while it's true that you get a lot of bang for the buck performance wise, for many people the creature comforts (Nav,XM,BT etc) are equally or MORE important as performance is. I'd like to buy the car, and watch it become a success story, but lacking these expected features will keep a sizeable number of potential customers on the sidelines for now.

:gr_jest::stickpoke::punch::angel::whine::drink:
So, I guess that means................No fries?

No soup for you!!!

No soup for you!!!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Not the "Soup Nazi"?

Must have soup!!

The first model year production is almost over. Soon, the next model year cars will be built.

GM wanted to get the G8 to the market ASAP. The Commodore was not engineered for the US. The US isn't that special. It was engineered with the USA in mind, however it's still an Australian car.

Alot of engineering goes into a car, and in this case, re-engineering. So they have to pick and chose what gets priority. Bluetooth and the Nav Unit obviously weren't at the top of the list. I'm sure if we knew what was at the top of the list we'd be thanking the Almighty that they did as they did.

I understand some of the disappointment, but I think y'all are making a mountain out of a mole hill. No one is putting a gun to your head to tell you to buy the first short model year, and many have obviously decided to see what MY2 has to offer. So what need is there to further agonize over what isn't offered in MY1 if you aren't buying MY1.

Maybe instead of talking about it here, everyone should be emailing Pontiac and asking them. Believe me, if as many people emailed them in one sweep as people that complained amongst themselves... they would likely take the input. The engineers want to get it right too.

But the truth is, not a heck of alot of people care about blue-tooth integration. I think it would be quite handy, but I can live without it; as can the hordes of folks who still hold the cell up to their ear and look at the screen dialing whilst driving.. They won't even go to circuit city and buy a bloody blue tooth ear piece. So what makes ya think they care about it not being in their car?

Integrated Nav units never sold well unless they were automatically included, like in a luxury car. I bet the Grand Prix nav unit didn't sell well. That told GM that it shouldn't be a priority. I'm quite sure it did not escape them as to what to do. It costs money. Every project has a working budget. You guys act as if it is unlimited.

I'm sorry, but I don't think the lack of Bluetooth, and a Nav unit is that big of a deal. Did you see the MY2 extra accessories? DVD Screens in the headrests? Obviously GM isn't planning on keeping it as is. I would hardly call it stripped down, or a failure.

GM wanted to make this car a performer, with comfort for the ride for a good price. When you look at optioned out Chryslers and Dodges, you're approaching 50,000 dollars. Pontiac does not have a good nation wide reputation right now. How many people would be interested in paying THAT much for a Pontiac.

I'm sorry, as much as I love Pontiacs, it pains me to say that most people would laugh at that and still yet go buy a Chrysler. They don't care what's inside; they won't pay 45,000 - 50,000 for a Pontiac. Any folks here are in the thin minority.
Well said Ram. MY2 will have all the missing goodies available methinks.

I swear, some of you GP owners sure are whiney little bitches, er I mean demanding. You just have to have your HUD don't ya? :stickpoke:

I swear, some of you GP owners sure are whiney little bitches, er I mean demanding. You just have to have your HUD don't ya? :stickpoke:

Can't be any whinier than some of the Cavalier, I mean GTO drivers.:gr_jest::stickpoke::wall:

Chip, second MY vehicles almost always have more in the way of options. Besides, they need to save something for the GXP. Take a deep breath, and strengthen your resolve to hold out for an '09/'10 GXP with all the bells and whistles!

True... typical GM. I've been a GM fan for 20+ years and that always seems to be their mode. It is why they are in the position they are now. I want to see GM change.I don't have a problem with the GXP coming a year later. I would expect that. However, there is some core options that everyone of Pontiac's identified competitors have from the getgo.

Must fight the urge to buy now and fix it myself. :turbonaughtdy_1:

Chip

Can't be any whinier than some of the Cavalier, I mean GTO drivers.:gr_jest::stickpoke::wall:

The GTO didn't come with dual climate control(something the Monaro came with) or heated seats, two things I would have liked to have had and had no way of updating them aftermarket like one can with bluetooth or Navigation. I still bought it though.

@Pushing_Tin If you would like to email Pontiac you can located the contact info on their site. I know, its hard to find. They want ya to look for it I guess.... Its in finer print at the bottom of the site. NEar by the link for the owner center, etc. It says Contact us. There you'll find the email form, address, etc.

:)

You never know, they may tell you a thing or two to calm your worries. A lot of times, all it takes is asking; and they're happy to help. Good luck to ya.

PS... I'm in a better mood today, too. :)

[PS... I'm in a better mood today, too.]

Well don't go gettin' all nice on us now!

The GTO didn't come with dual climate control(something the Monaro came with) or heated seats, two things I would have liked to have had and had no way of updating them aftermarket like one can with bluetooth or Navigation. I still bought it though.

Yes. It is about tradeoffs. I struggled with the GTO purchase before I bought the GP GXP. I test drove both off and on for two weeks before I made my mind up. It finally came down to the trunk (or lack thereof) and the terribly slow power seat access to the rear seats. I would have rather had the old manual seat release from my 83 Camaro than fuss with holding that power button down (understand 06s got a little faster). That 6 speed was mighty nice though.

Anyhow, I plan on buying a G8. It would have been nice for the factory to have done the homework so those features would function/meet guidelines in the US. Now, I'll have to make my own changes and deal with the dealership (luckily mine is usually pretty good).

Chip

The first model year production is almost over. Soon, the next model year cars will be built.

GM wanted to get the G8 to the market ASAP. The Commodore was not engineered for the US. The US isn't that special. It was engineered with the USA in mind, however it's still an Australian car.

Alot of engineering goes into a car, and in this case, re-engineering. So they have to pick and chose what gets priority. Bluetooth and the Nav Unit obviously weren't at the top of the list. I'm sure if we knew what was at the top of the list we'd be thanking the Almighty that they did as they did.

I understand some of the disappointment, but I think y'all are making a mountain out of a mole hill. No one is putting a gun to your head to tell you to buy the first short model year, and many have obviously decided to see what MY2 has to offer. So what need is there to further agonize over what isn't offered in MY1 if you aren't buying MY1.

Maybe instead of talking about it here, everyone should be emailing Pontiac and asking them. Believe me, if as many people emailed them in one sweep as people that complained amongst themselves... they would likely take the input. The engineers want to get it right too.

But the truth is, not a heck of alot of people care about blue-tooth integration. I think it would be quite handy, but I can live without it; as can the hordes of folks who still hold the cell up to their ear and look at the screen dialing whilst driving.. They won't even go to circuit city and buy a bloody blue tooth ear piece. So what makes ya think they care about it not being in their car?

Integrated Nav units never sold well unless they were automatically included, like in a luxury car. I bet the Grand Prix nav unit didn't sell well. That told GM that it shouldn't be a priority. I'm quite sure it did not escape them as to what to do. It costs money. Every project has a working budget. You guys act as if it is unlimited.

I'm sorry, but I don't think the lack of Bluetooth, and a Nav unit is that big of a deal. Did you see the MY2 extra accessories? DVD Screens in the headrests? Obviously GM isn't planning on keeping it as is. I would hardly call it stripped down, or a failure.

GM wanted to make this car a performer, with comfort for the ride for a good price. When you look at optioned out Chryslers and Dodges, you're approaching 50,000 dollars. Pontiac does not have a good nation wide reputation right now. How many people would be interested in paying THAT much for a Pontiac.

I'm sorry, as much as I love Pontiacs, it pains me to say that most people would laugh at that and still yet go buy a Chrysler. They don't care what's inside; they won't pay 45,000 - 50,000 for a Pontiac. Any folks here are in the thin minority.

The Charger R/T optioned with sunroof, myGig, 20" wheels, R package, HIDs runs almost $40,000. The SRT package would take you further, but not comparable to the G8 GT.

While the Commodore platform was not engineered for the US, it was engineered with the US in mind as you say. They apparently had no problem engineering Onstar in even though Holden does not offer this (Holden Assist is different). Bluetooth has always been in conflict with Onstar. Caddy's STS is the only one I am aware of at this point that is doing Bluetooth with Onstar.

I still think you miss my point on the Nav. I'll try again. SAE has been discussing placement of Navs for some time (01 - 02 and earlier). Global consensus (Japan, Europe, US) said placing the Nav screen high up on the dash is the correct positioning for safety. Notice where all of the other manufacturer's locate their Nav screen. Holden is engineering this car for global export (Middle East, UK, US). Moving the screen 18 - 24 inches higher in the center stack would have most likely allowed Pontiac to use it within NHTSA guidelines. If you do this during the design phase, the cost is not an issue. Holden was already engineering the Commodore for Nav and it is currently available.

It would be interesting to see what the buy rate was on Navs for the Grand Prix. It was basically only available on the 05 GTP and all model year GXPs.

It's kind of interesting about the positioning of Nav on this car and looking at other manufacturers. I noticed Toyota is offering Nav on their latest Corolla. That I would think is a stretch. But maybe they have the data to back it up.

As I have said, the G8 is my car. I really just hate to buy a 30K+ car and start taking it apart. But that is life.

Chip

I still think you miss my point on the Nav. I'll try again. SAE has been discussing placement of Navs for some time (01 - 02 and earlier). Global consensus (Japan, Europe, US) said placing the Nav screen high up on the dash is the correct positioning for safety. Notice where all of the other manufacturer's locate their Nav screen. Holden is engineering this car for global export (Middle East, UK, US). Moving the screen 18 - 24 inches higher in the center stack would have most likely allowed Pontiac to use it within NHTSA guidelines. If you do this during the design phase, the cost is not an issue. Holden was already engineering the Commodore for Nav and it is currently available.

It does not matter. The option is not there, because the Holden design didn't meet the safety standards of the US with the nav system as it was. We could argue about it all year long, and that wouldn't change. Everybody knows what "they shoulda done." But nobody knows what "they had to do."

In the end, just ask Pontiac. :)

It does not matter. The option is not there, because the Holden design didn't meet the safety standards of the US with the nav system as it was. We could argue about it all year long, and that wouldn't change. Everybody knows what "they shoulda done." But nobody knows what "they had to do."

In the end, just ask Pontiac. :)

It did make me go back and read some things posted by one of the Pontiac VE team members in retrospect. Pontiac ended up at the table after Holden had been working on the design for two years. So, a few things got "fixed", but alot had to stay because the hard points were already committed. I guess I'll wait for my dealer to call for my test drive in a few months.

Chip

I want to whine! Why no Sirius satellite radio in any GM vehicles? I won't give up Howard Stern or my classic hard rock station (Buzzsaw)! I will have to use my tacky portable Sirius radio in a new car.... While whining..... Why is GM going to install such an ugly interior in the new Camaro? Gauges below the radio is just silly! I was planning on buying a Camaro until I saw that interior.... I want rear wheel drive but don't want to spend a forture (CTS) so I guess a G8 GT is my next car.

This site is heaven compared to all the haters on the camaroz28 site regarding the interior of the 5th gen camaro.

I want to whine! Why no Sirius satellite radio in any GM vehicles? I won't give up Howard Stern or my classic hard rock station (Buzzsaw)! I will have to use my tacky portable Sirius radio in a new car.... While whining..... Why is GM going to install such an ugly interior in the new Camaro? Gauges below the radio is just silly! I was planning on buying a Camaro until I saw that interior.... I want rear wheel drive but don't want to spend a forture (CTS) so I guess a G8 GT is my next car.

Why no XM in any Ford?

Wait for the merger to cmplete and you will be able to order up Howard on XM.

Has anyone seen a production Camaro interior, full finalized and ready for install? Or are they going from artst-fartsy auto show glam and assuming the worst?

See if this works. http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2009-chevy-camaro-spy-shots/555822/