Just curious because most of us here are a little power hungry, so I just want to know how many of you will just go ahead and get a G8 GT with 362hp and not wait and see what the GXP will have to offer.

If they announce the GXP to have the LS3 with 425hp, it might be tough to get the GT instead of waiting!

For now I think I'll be plenty happy with the GT though.

Im sure with a tune and a few mods 400 bhp will be easy, so I think I will pick up the GT when the GXP is announced and the GT's get rebates...

How is the aftermarket over here for the L76? If its as easy to get power from as the LS series of engines, I dont think making up the power difference will be a big deal.

I'm gonna wait and see what the GXP has to offer. If it's an 425 hp LS3 then I won't even think twice about getting the GXP. There's just more potential there, much like the LS2 vs. the LS1 in the GTO. You'll already start out 63 hp ahead of the L76.

Will wait to see what the GXP has to offer. I don't want to buy a GT and then regret it and trade it for a GXP. Not going to get hosed on the trade.

I am going to wait and see the G8 next to a Camaro to make any choices. But I will definetly wait for the GXP.

Hopefully we will know more about a GXP before early '08 (when my two
leases are up), but if its got an LS3, yea, I'll probably go with a GXP. If it's
an LS2, it's a toss up, but probably save the money and go with a GT.

I don't think we'll hear anything but rumors before early '08 (because it will
just be showing up in show rooms), so it may be a hard choice. The other
thing that would make it a though choice is an announced Buick based
Holden.

Dave

I think I will wait, I am due to payoff the goat in march 08 so hopefully by then we will know more

If this becomes a car for both the wife and I then we will probably go with the G8-GT A6. If I end up getting tired of my GTO in a years time and want to replace it for myself then I will probably just wait for the GXP. Also depends on the styling. If they screw it up like the G6 GXP then HELL NO. Can't wait for a test drive too. :D

I'm thinking maybe the GXP will have the new LS3 like the Camaro. Maybe then i'll consider it.

Honestly, im podering the V6, assumng its the new DOHC/VVT/DI one. I have crazy fast in the GTO, but the G8 will be a great DD. Its either the G8 or a truck, and aside from twing the GTO to the track, i dont need a truck.

Word of warning from most people here that own VE's if your not thinking of getting one for a year or 2 dont test drive one..
Maybe it could be a little harder for us over here as we have previous model commodores to compare it to..
The VE is so much better then the previous model that not too many people have been able to resist buying one after driving it..
The only thing I can't get use to seeing is GT on the car.
Over here in Oz GT's belong to ford..

Word of warning from most people here that own VE's if your not thinking of getting one for a year or 2 dont test drive one..
Maybe it could be a little harder for us over here as we have previous model commodores to compare it to..
The VE is so much better then the previous model that not too many people have been able to resist buying one after driving it..
The only thing I can't get use to seeing is GT on the car.
Over here in Oz GT's belong to ford..

Haha, that has to be tough! I'm sure some folks over here will do you proud and complete the whole conversion and have it say SS-v again :)

I'm waiting, not by choice but I will

Shouldn't take much to get the GT up to 400 horses. Also, I'm not planning on paying a super premium just to have the GXP. Owning the GT will be MORE than enough power for my Honda Civic ass LOL.

Also, lets play a guessing game on pricing. Bob Lutz said they want the G8 priced in the mid 20s. So assuming the V6 goes for 25k, the V8 could be what ? 27-28K ? Then what the GXP 2 years later at 34K ?

Obviously those numbers aren't for sure, but using those assumptions I would rather just own the beastly V8 this year, and save money.

I'll probably stick with the GT. That would give me more money to mod the GTO to a rediculous level. I might even get an automatic so the other half could dive it.

Shouldn't take much to get the GT up to 400 horses. Also, I'm not planning on paying a super premium just to have the GXP. Owning the GT will be MORE than enough power for my Honda Civic ass LOL.

Also, lets play a guessing game on pricing. Bob Lutz said they want the G8 priced in the mid 20s. So assuming the V6 goes for 25k, the V8 could be what ? 27-28K ? Then what the GXP 2 years later at 34K ?

Obviously those numbers aren't for sure, but using those assumptions I would rather just own the beastly V8 this year, and save money.

so far I think its gonna be higher.....I keep seeing near 35k for the GT

so far I think its gonna be higher.....I keep seeing near 35k for the GT

I really hope they can keep the price of the GT between $30 and 35k... and the GXP under $40k.

Man if the GT is 35K that would suck. That would make the v6 near 30K and GM will have another flop on their hands.

That is getting into the CTS range.

I'm plannig to get the GT. Hell, all I would have to do is go to one of our friendly horsepower shops & get an L92 based stroker engine. ;)

I'd have to wait for the GXP version. I've bought the lesser version twice now and ended up spending more money and getting the higher end car twice, Too much money just wasted for 10 months difference.

Can you link to the 35K GT estimations ? I specifically read Bob Lutz saying they screwed up with the GTO by pricing it too high.

Gonna hang out for the GXP.....and I hope that the GXP announcement is not held back to help move the GT......but that is how it might work. I believe the Solstice GXP was announced a few months after the base model?? I am hoping for no holding back by Pontiac and GM.

Depends on what all is included in the GXP package. If its just some engine bits, I can make more power for cheaper. If its a good susp + some nice brakes, then it would probably be worth the wait.

Well my GTO won't be payed off for awhile so by then the GXP will be out and that'll be the one I get.

Like I've said before, I'm impatient. The GXP won't phase me. Even if they announce the GXP the day after I get my GT.

So why do people think the GT will be closer to 35k ? I'm confused. If they price the V6 at 25-26k, why would the GT be 10k more ? I'm thinking 29.9k at most.

:bunny:

So why do people think the GT will be closer to 35k ? I'm confused. If they price the V6 at 25-26k, why would the GT be 10k more ? I'm thinking 29.9k at most.

:bunny:

People are trying to use the GTO as a reference.

Well if you look at what you can get from Pontiac now and the MSRP on the Grand Prix, the V6 should be around $25, the V8 a bit over $30, and the proposed GXP between $35 and $40. This scheme also works if you compare it to the comparatively equipped Dodge Charger models. GM has to make the money on volume, a small group of enthusiasts won't help the bottom line (think GTO). They have to price the G8 competitively for the masses for it to be a hit. And this will be good for us.

But in the words of Dennis Miller, "Of course thats just my opinion, I could be wrong."

GT here - the Goat is where I want the most performance.

I'll be fine with a GT. It's about the $$$.

At 362 hp the GT is 100+ hp more than my '03 GTP as well as my previous '97 GTP and '90 SSEi. That'll be more than sufficient. Maybe by teh time it gets here they will realize that they meant to call the GT GXP all along but couldn't source the badges in time.

Or maybe they will wait until Oshawa production for GXP.

If the GXP comes with a close version of the L92 with VVT that is putting down 400/415 in the Escalade and no AFM I'd go with that. That with a T6060 behind it sounds like an awesome ride.

But if it's pushing 4-5K difference in price, I'd be content with the GT and some kind of FI, maggie, etc.

like the others im going to have to wait to see what the GXP brings and the price difference.

The more I read about the L76, the more I like it. I'm thinking that the
price difference to a GXP might not be worth it unless it has something
special (compared to a cam swap, tune, gears, and converter in a GT).

Dave

Well assuming the pricing rumors are correct I really can't afford the GT itself, but I just GOTTA HAVE IT so I will go ahead and get one. I honestly have trouble using my GTO's 350hp, so I won't miss the extra 60-whatever of the (rumored) LS3 GXP.

Give me a nice GT with a manual trans in a nice stealthy color, and I'll be happy for years to come. :)

Considering mine (if/when) I get one is going to be a daily driver, it's going to be the GT, (won't buy a V6), and I am keeping the GTO... that will get the power upgrades....

I'll be buying the GT. I plan on using it as a daily driver.

What the guy above said.

I dont see myself having a problem with "just a GT" for a daily.

Straight GT here. In fact I'll be happy to get one with cloth seats and no sunroof to save $$. I'll enter the market post-gouge season.

The more I read about the L76, the more I like it.

I'm in the same boat.

A GXP will probably push the price out of the range of what I'd consider to be affordable. And as much as I'd love to have one, this would be a daily driver and I think the GT will do.

I agree, coming from an 04 GP, GTP, the extra 100hp of the GT will be enough for me, and I would be using too as a daily driver, so the DOD would be welcome as well. If I'm wrong, someone can correct me, but I thought the new Zeta's were built from the start to be somewhat less in price than the previous model. And Lutz did say that the GTO's were overpriced(although the last few I saw last fall on a dealers lot were going for just over 32000), so I would expect around 29900 for base GT's, and more loaded ones to be about 32000. I do admit, the fine 3.6 V-6 might tempt me if the price were right.

it might be 63 hp less but if the ls3 has 425/425 its only 35 tqr more........

id get a gt and put a turbo on for the money saved.....but it would only be a DD for me

I'm going to do GT M6. If it in fact has L92 heads, theres great potential in those. An extra set milled a couple thou', nice mild cam (LS7?) and there you go, probably close to 425 very easily and bone stock like drivablity....

I'm going to do GT M6. If it in fact has L92 heads, theres great potential in those. An extra set milled a couple thou', nice mild cam (LS7?) and there you go, probably close to 425 very easily and bone stock like drivablity....

I'm with this guy.....

Mill those heads, run a "stealth cam" LS7, CAI, shorties, quiet better flowing exhaust, ported stock intake manifold/TB, a great tune and go out and shock a ton of people on the street.

I'm with this guy.....

Mill those heads, run a "stealth cam" LS7, CAI, shorties, quiet better flowing exhaust, ported stock intake manifold/TB, a great tune and go out and shock a ton of people on the street.

If "enthusiasts" are smart, they will ask you to pop the hood on a G8 GT. People won't expect many of these at a drag strip to be stock.

Why dont you think the GXP will be an HSV variant?

Id have thought it would be, in which case it will have an LS2 in it.

See here http://www.hsv.com.au/index_eseries.asp

I'm with this guy.....

Mill those heads, run a "stealth cam" LS7, CAI, shorties, quiet better flowing exhaust, ported stock intake manifold/TB, a great tune and go out and shock a ton of people on the street.

thats a 7k investment at most for about 525hp at the wheels. thats bitchin.

I am decidedly on the fence....as several have mentioned it depends what's in the GXP package...if its 3-4K for some visual stuff and a just a few ponies...save it an go turbo on a GT.

Its just all about waiting..and waiting sucks.

As a college kid, Im gonna have to go with the GT. My budget cant afford much more than 30k.
Im crossing my fingers that pontiac can make it happen.

The L76 would be more than enough for me. Heck, I might even get the V6! A GXP would certainly be out of the question for me, even more power and handling upgrades that I would never take full advantage of...

GT for me. Orange I'm thinking. A6 trans.

All this talk about HP, GT vs GXP.
Look at the torque though,
362 hp / 5700 rpm
391 ft-lb / 4400 rpm NICE.

The TBSS LS2 has
395 hp / 5400 rpm
400 ft-lbs / 4400 rpm

TBSS 2WD weighs about 4500 pounds
G8 GT weighs about 3995 pounds

If the stock TBSS runs (motor trend 14.0 and road and track 14.3) let's say 14.1 average and let's assume 100 pounds is roughly 0.10 in the quarter, the G8 GT should be mid 13's.

Let's further assume stock TBSS's put 333hp to the ground and the G8 GT about 300. So a 1/4 mile time calculator says 13.8 (yes it uses hp not torque)

Anyway. My point is, the torque value rules.
A little bolt on here and tune there and it's 400hp 400+ft-lbs and it's rippi'n up the streets.

I'm excited.:thumbsup:

I want the GXP to look like a HSV GTS... i'm sure the front won't but the different rear and tail lights and the brakes and wheels and upgraded interior... now that would be doing it right... have you been to HSV's web site and watched all the videos on it... i hope we get that car as the GXP of course the LS2 won't be in it... prob. LS3... and then it's off to APS for the icing on the cake...

I'll be waiting for the GXP.

I'll be looking at the GXP rumors, and if it can get the A6, then even better.
If not, the regular GT for me, besides running on 87 octane is a plus for me.
I won't be too interested in speed in it, that's what the Z is for.

Why go for GXP?

The Australians are gaining 50 rwhp with intake and exhaust and tune.

thats 370 rwhp, more than an ls3. If you cam that your at 450 rwhp? Thats Ls7? So why would you wait for a ls3?

I want a Blue g8 m6 with blue and black interrior I hope.

OK really dumb question from me here !! but is it even offical that there is going to be a GXP !!

Yep, get the G8 GT and do some mods to it (CAI, Tune, Exhaust, maybe a cam) = Golden

OK really dumb question from me here !! but is it even offical that there is going to be a GXP !!

truf.

A GXP model seems like a logical step. Since the GT will have all of the good basics to go really fast, the GXP should be the HSV Clubsport/GTS. It's aggressive & car people will know exactly what it is. Plus, with the LS3 coming next year, the HSVs will get it too. Sure, GM could back out. But, if they want to give Pontiac back it's performance image, a GXP will have to be available.

Um !! what does truf. mean ???

Truf= True...Truth

After looking at the RPO thread on LS1GTO, it looks like I might be waiting until mid-2008 to get mine... The G8 GT appears that it will not be initially available with a manual transmission, but just the six-speed slushbox. Oh well, maybe by then we'll at least have an idea of what they're going to offer for the GXP.

After looking at the RPO thread on LS1GTO, it looks like I might be waiting until mid-2008 to get mine... The G8 GT appears that it will not be initially available with a manual transmission, but just the six-speed slushbox. Oh well, maybe by then we'll at least have an idea of what they're going to offer for the GXP.

Same here.

I'm still in a holding pattern. I'm so happy the order info is now available and soon I hope to see and drive one when to local dealer gets one.

Being that I am usually pretty impatient I will probably get the GT once they hit ground. Then, depending on the changes they make to the GXP will determine if I step up to one or not.

My guess is a GT with the auto and a few mods (and probably a TT setup, since they have one) will be fine as a daily driver. Just hope they get better gas mileage than my SS does :).

I'm sure it will get better MPG than the TBSS and the G8 is regular not premium, unless you tune it for premium (that's probably where 20 or so HP went, the tune) It still has almost the same torque as the TBSS.

Why go for GXP?

The Australians are gaining 50 rwhp with intake and exhaust and tune.

thats 370 rwhp, more than an ls3. If you cam that your at 450 rwhp? Thats Ls7? So why would you wait for a ls3?

I want a Blue g8 m6 with blue and black interrior I hope.

You can probably get the same gains with the LS3 but 60 more hp on top.

I dont think so the g8 l76 has z06 heads and nice intake that flow way better.

I dont think so the g8 l76 has z06 heads and nice intake that flow way better.

Not from the factory. As the story goes, the L92 heads for the 6.2L truck engines started as Z06 heads. When GM decided to make the Z06 a 7.0L, the L92 heads were developed for other applications (namely the LS3). Tuner companies started using L92 heads on the 6.0L V8 engines, and saw big gains. So, if the LS3 makes it to a GXP model, then all you need to add is a little intake & exhaust upgrade & a cam.

The heads on the LS3 and on the upcoming L76 (L92 heads) both flow the exact same, the differences are minute.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=748061

The heads on the LS3 and on the upcoming L76 (L92 heads) both flow the exact same, the differences are minute.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=748061

But, with flow being the same from the factory, only minor parts are needed for big HP numbers. Plus, the L92/L76 heads will be more plentiful than LS3 heads & intakes. So, with the GT, GM is giving us a very good foundation to start with. :thumbsup:

Considering the LS3 requires premium unleaded and produces crappy numbers (in the Corvette its 430hp at 5900RPM and 424 ft-lbs at a whopping high 4600 RPM), I'd rather just take a L76 V8 and add a turbo setup or blower to make the same or better power. Well-tuned turbo setups are known to give better gas mileage too, not with extremely high boost but the Saab AeroX turbo reportedly got 5% better mileage thanks to a good setup.

Whatever money is saved by going with a G8 GT M6 will be used for aftermarket with me. Screw the warranty I say!

I probably will, considering I would probably be forced to accept unneeded options on the GXP.

Considering the LS3 requires premium unleaded and produces crappy numbers (in the Corvette its 430hp at 5900RPM and 424 ft-lbs at a whopping high 4600 RPM), I'd rather just take a L76 V8 and add a turbo setup or blower to make the same or better power.

The LS3 does not require premium fuel. That is one of it's good points. Plus, peak HP & torque numbers do not tell the whole story. Most Gen 3 (LS1/6) & Gen 4 (LS2/3) make a high percentage of the peak numbers from 2000-5500 rpm. But, the quick & easy way is to just buy a GT & add a twin turbo setup.

Screw the warranty I say!

I agree!

I am going to wait probably 2 years (can't afford now) to get a G8, so I will see what the future holds. The main factor will be if AWD is available, as I live in Illinois and snow is a real possibility for about 4-5 months a year. If there's AWD on the horizon for year 2 or 3, I will wait because the power to use AWD right (aka fast) is there to be had with the L76 engine even without forced induction.

I cannot believe I am taking time to say this when a V10 GXP model could be in existance, but the 2008 Corvette with the LS3 recommends premium fuel, or 91 octane here in the states. Just like the LS2 did.

I'm thinking about the time I could get a manual GT we should know about the GXP. The main thing I want in the GXP (outside of a blown LS3) is the HSV's 19 inch wheels. I think those look the best on the G8 and that would be a deal breaker for me.

I cannot believe I am taking time to say this when a V10 GXP model could be in existance, but the 2008 Corvette with the LS3 recommends premium fuel, or 91 octane here in the states. Just like the LS2 did.

A V10 you say hey. Okaaaay.

I cannot believe I am taking time to say this when a V10 GXP model could be in existance, but the 2008 Corvette with the LS3 recommends premium fuel, or 91 octane here in the states. Just like the LS2 did.

First, there is NO V10 planned for production. Before GM introduced the LS1, they had built a few models for possibly using in trucks & Corvettes. Second, the GXP wouldn't get it unless the Corvette had it first. Third, perhaps GM & I have different definitions of "premium fuel". IIRC, my owner's manual says 91 octane is required for the advertised performance. Using below that will reduce performance. Around here, premium is no lower than 93 octane.

I am going to wait probably 2 years (can't afford now) to get a G8, so I will see what the future holds. The main factor will be if AWD is available, as I live in Illinois and snow is a real possibility for about 4-5 months a year. If there's AWD on the horizon for year 2 or 3, I will wait because the power to use AWD right (aka fast) is there to be had with the L76 engine even without forced induction.

Ahh.. AWD isn't necessary. I drive the GTO year round. A set of snow tires and away you go (North East Wisconsin). Now an AWD GXP would be interesting.

Personally, I'll be getting the GT. For less than 3 grand you can step up from the V6 to the V8. It's the ipod syndrome. Every ipod is like $50 more than the next. What's $50? You gotta step up.

I am gonna wait.

im going to wait as well, when they announce a possible gxp version, i will get interested only then, bc when the gxp comes out, gt prices should drop slightly. i would rather have the l76 over the ls3.

To SCCA GTO: In America regular unleaded is 87 octane, 91 octane is premium. A few stations in California have 93, one in Beverly Hills has 101 for all the sports cars.

Australia for some reason regulated higher gasoline octanes than America, probably to keep gas prices higher so as to keep people in smaller cars. Great work that did.

As to the V10, your right, I posted a thread on that under the G8 GXP section, turns out a friend of mine mistook an Audi S6 for a G8 in test mule clothing. Whopping good eyes, that one has....

And to appletronc: Ipod syndrome? Hmmmm, that begs the question though, what happens if the next upgrade after the first is just another $40? Then $30? I think Apple should try that, just so that the next time any of us go into a Best Buy or Wal-Mart we can watch people's heads explode.

To SCCA GTO: In America regular unleaded is 87 octane, 91 octane is premium. A few stations in California have 93, one in Beverly Hills has 101 for all the sports cars.

As I said, in my neck of the woods, 91 octane is considered "mid-grade". Perhaps if I actually looked in my owner's manual every now & then, I could cut my fuel bills down a little. It does make me feel a little better running the 93 octane though.

I went ahead and pre-ordered a G8 GT with all the trimmings yesterday. Now, we'll see what actually happens.

I went ahead and pre-ordered a G8 GT with all the trimmings yesterday. Now, we'll see what actually happens.

WHERE? PRICING?:yumyum:

WHERE? PRICING?:yumyum:
Where? Seattle area.

Pricing? Not important...depends on what they give me for my 2000 Bonneville SSEi.

Where? Seattle area.

Pricing? Not important...depends on what they give me for my 2000 Bonneville SSEi.

comonnnnnn:madsign3:
i wanna know the priceeee:cry:

I promise I'll post it when I know. They are about 2-4 weeks away from being able to place the order with Pontiac.

GXP All the way !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

comonnnnnn:madsign3:
i wanna know the priceeee:cry:
Looks like about $35,700.00 with tax & license (8+% sales tax in WA.)
Less what they give me for the SSEi (5K-6K), less what I still owe 3K.

$34,000+/- I can live with that!

Then add $1,500.00 for a new set of Michelin Pilot Sport A/S.

$5,700 in options over the $29,995 MSRP? With an invoice of $27,698.


Edit: Out the door price sorry.




2008 Pontiac G8
GT 4dr Sedan (6.0L 8cyl 6A)

MSRP $29,310

Optional Equipment $2,900
PCQ Premium Package $1,250
Power Tilt-Sliding Sunroof $900
PDX Sport Package $600
All-Season Blackwall Tires $150
Destination Charge $685
_________________________________
Total with Options $32,895

Priced at invoice

Invoice $27,698

Optional Equipment $2,408
PCQ Premium Package $1,038
Power Tilt-Sliding Sunroof $747
PDX Sport Package $498
All-Season Blackwall Tires $125
Destination Charge $685
_________________________________

Total with Options $30,791

$5,700 in options over the $29,995 MSRP? With an invoice of $27,698.

"with tax & license (8+% sales tax in WA.)"

That's a hefty sales tax at 8%. I'm glad we still are currently at 6% in Indiana.


I'll be working will a $49 over invoice dealer. I'll have to wait in line while you don't is the drawback.

That's a hefty sales tax at 8%. I'm glad we still are currently at 6% in Indiana.


I'll be working will a $49 over invoice dealer. I'll have to wait in line while you don't is the drawback.
It's actually 8.8% or some such thing.

That's why a lot of people go down to Oregon for large purchases like RVs & cars. Unfotunately you need a legal Oregon residence address to do it. And then Oregon shafts you with a state income tax.

Sounds like you have a good dealer set up.

5.5% here.

5.5% here.
Yeah, but........well......Wisconsin.........?

:)~

i will be getting the gt M6, i really dont want to go past 32k, and as stated b4, a few boltons, tune, and you are at 400+ hp. and with a TT set up you are looking at 500+ hp. thats plenty for me. plus i rather have cloths seats than leather

plus in order for me to have what is in my sig, it will cost me roughly 2k to get me the front bumper, hood from the ve commadore ss and the bowtie grill shipped over to the states from aussie land


i really want one in galaxy silver, or charcoal gray metallic

I like the 392 lbft of torque out of the regular fuel required L76...

I think 19 inch rims is a cool way to go on the first round of cars.

I saw the car at the NY autoshow last year in a pewter like silver and it was stunning.

For the low 30's...its a great vehicle.

One to be proud of.

JMO

JB

how much is the gxp going to be?

If they announce the GXP to have the LS3 with 425hp, it might be tough to get the GT instead of waiting!




I thought the GXP was going to have the Caddy Escalade engine in it making 402 HP? Bonus will be that those sound great right from the factory and there won't be a real need for aftermarket exhaust to get the car to sound like it's got some nuts.

I thought the GXP was going to have the Caddy Escalade engine in it making 402 HP? Bonus will be that those sound great right from the factory and there won't be a real need for aftermarket exhaust to get the car to sound like it's got some nuts.

no, its the LS3, just different intake/exhaust components that bring its power down to 402, as opposed to the vette's 430.

Looks like about $35,700.00 with tax & license (8+% sales tax in WA.)
Less what they give me for the SSEi (5K-6K), less what I still owe 3K.

$34,000+/- I can live with that!

Then add $1,500.00 for a new set of Michelin Pilot Sport A/S.

You forgot the $2000 gas guzzler tax on the GXP. Figure a sticker of just under $38k with GG tax included.

we didn't. gonna go to the track hopefully friday and run it stock. live in south louisiana, so the numbers should be good. hopefully 13.6ish.