THIS WAS NOT THE SRT VERSION. but the hemi one

Was driving came to a light next to a hemi challenger, the new one. He immedietaly looked over, and wanted to race!

So we launched from a stop, went about a quarter mile.

I immediatly was 2 car lengths ahead, he never caught up!

he then pulled me over to say " dude, you kicked my ass, good ****!"

very cool car, cool guy, good fun!!

btw whats the hp on those cars?

Nice kill man thats a good run! I am not sure what hp they make stock.

They already have non-SRT Challengers out?

I see as many or more of them then G8s.

I believe the rts are rated at 370 hp... correct me if im wrong, but I know they did get a horsepower bump from the old 5.7 as vvt is now incorporated in the new 5.7 engine.

good kill by the way

370hp in auto, 375 in 6speed

good kill....their numbers are pretty similar to our cars (G8 GT vs R/T 5.7).

The stock torque rating on the R/T Challenger is 410 ft/lbs ... compared to the our 385 ft/lbs stock ...

I don't know if it's already been asked ... but are you stock ? ...

Good kill ! ...

they also weigh 4160 pounds!! they are PIGS.

I test drove one yesterday and we ended up picking up the G8 instead :)

Good kill! They are heavy as hell for sure.

THIS WAS NOT THE SRT VERSION. but the hemi one



just to clear things up the SRT8 has a Hemi 6.1L, the R/T of which you raced has a 5.7L Hemi, so they both have Hemi's

just wanted to clear that up

and great kill!

Nice kill.

Funny how you guys say they are pigs (and they are) but stock to stock it was only 2 CLs.

It could be worse from a roll though - some deadspots in the 5spd auto.

they also weigh 4160 pounds!! they are PIGS.

I test drove one yesterday and we ended up picking up the G8 instead :)

You were cross-shopping vs. a 2 door or drove the Charger?

Nice kill.

Funny how you guys say they are pigs (and they are) but stock to stock it was only 2 CLs.



Not sure if you've drag raced your car, but in a heads up drag race down a 1/4 mile track, 2 car lengths is quite a bit, both in ET and trap speed.

Case in point: I recently raced my bone stock G8 GT against another owner's VMS-tuned G8 GT. He was clearly at least a car length ahead of me when we crossed the line and his ET was almost four tenths of a second quicker and his trap speed was almost four MPH higher. If he had crossed two car lengths ahead of me, then it would have been worse.

Not sure if you've drag raced your car, but in a heads up drag race down a 1/4 mile track, 2 car lengths is quite a bit, both in ET and trap speed.

Case in point: I recently raced my bone stock G8 GT against another owner's VMS-tuned G8 GT. He was clearly at least a car length ahead of me when we crossed the line and his ET was almost four tenths of a second quicker and his trap speed was almost four MPH higher. If he had crossed two car lengths ahead of me, then it would have been worse.

Are you taking into account the RT?

The stock torque rating on the R/T Challenger is 410 ft/lbs ... compared to the our 385 ft/lbs stock ...

I don't know if it's already been asked ... but are you stock ? ...

Good kill ! ...

Yes.. well.. I have HID lmao

Are you taking into account the RT?

While ET and trap speeds don't factor in RT, if I take into account RT, he probably would have crossed the finish with a little more distance between us. For example, on our first run, I beat his RT by almost a full tenth.

Even though I started with that slight head start, he caught me, passed me, and crossed the line a little over a car length between us. If he and I started at the exact same time, he would have crossed the finish line with more distance between us.

While ET and trap speeds don't factor in RT, if I take into account RT, he probably would have crossed the finish with a little more distance between us. For example, on our first run, I beat his RT by almost a full tenth.

Even though I started with that slight head start, he caught me, passed me, and crossed the line a little over a car length between us. If he and I started at the exact same time, he would have crossed the finish line with more distance between us.

That's what I was getting at.

Not sure if you've drag raced your car, but in a heads up drag race down a 1/4 mile track, 2 car lengths is quite a bit, both in ET and trap speed.

Case in point: I recently raced my bone stock G8 GT against another owner's VMS-tuned G8 GT. He was clearly at least a car length ahead of me when we crossed the line and his ET was almost four tenths of a second quicker and his trap speed was almost four MPH higher. If he had crossed two car lengths ahead of me, then it would have been worse.

Did you miss my signature?

You compared a tuned car to a stocker but I understand your point.

Considering they are larger with the (minimal) weight differential and that they now make more power, the handicap is the transmission. So calling them pigs is funny IMO.

Did you miss my signature?

You compared a tuned car to a stocker but I understand your point.

Considering they are larger with the (minimal) weight differential and that they now make more power, the handicap is the transmission. So calling them pigs is funny IMO.

Actually, I was merely responiding to your original post where you said:

"Funny how you guys say they are pigs (and they are) but stock to stock it was only 2 CLs."

When you said "stock to stock it was only 2 CLs", it seemed that you were somehow saying that 2 car lenghts is really not much. If I misinterpreted that, then my apologies.

My example of running my stocker vs a tuned car was merely to illustrate that 2 car lengths IS a big difference, so that calling them pigs is probably appropriate.

just to clear things up the SRT8 has a Hemi 6.1L, the R/T of which you raced has a 5.7L Hemi, so they both have Hemi's

just wanted to clear that up

and great kill!


In reality, they're not real HEMIS either, just to clear that one up to.

I've worked in a shop that has torn these engines appart and there's nothing HEMIS-PHERICAL in them, nothing....

The SRT8 Version came out first, the R\T has been out for 2 months and the V6 SE model got released about the same time as the R\T... With the Camaro it'll be just the opposite, the V6 model will be first then the RS base V8 (same truck engine that's in the G8GT then the SS with the old LS2 6.0 and then the more powerful LS3 in a SSR model not long there after depending on The CAFE and gas prices and GM's ability to WAKE UP and start cutting top executives salaries to save themselves like they did in 2004... They cut the CEO salary by half from 2.2 mil to 825k and the company actually posted a profit. Since Wagoner took the helm GM has gone Down, Down, Down!! and his salary has gone up, up, up!!!, while he cans hard working people that made GM what it is....... These GREEDY CEO's should be ashamed of themselves.

And now they too (The Big 3) want in on the bailout!!!!! This is not good people... We are nearly a year from hitting the bottom of the pit. It's going to get alot worse (economically) before we hit the floor... So brace yourselves.

The problem is Wagoner keeps voting him self raises and bonuses while the company keeps posting huge losses... Somethings wrong here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyone agree?? ADMIN< I know this is not the right location for this sorry....

Nice kill.

Funny how you guys say they are pigs (and they are) but stock to stock it was only 2 CLs.

It could be worse from a roll though - some deadspots in the 5spd auto.



You were cross-shopping vs. a 2 door or drove the Charger?

they are pigs for a 2 door car. meaning they are HEAVY and you can tell driving it.

yes, I was cross-shopping a challenger vs a G8. 2door vs 4 door. the challenger looked great on the outside, but the inside is ass, especially compared to a G8. I think they are also overpriced. a G8 is basically the same price and you get much more for the money. if the challenger dropped 2-200lbs and was 2-3k cheaper, it would be a hell of a car.

Actually, I was merely responiding to your original post where you said:

"Funny how you guys say they are pigs (and they are) but stock to stock it was only 2 CLs."

When you said "stock to stock it was only 2 CLs", it seemed that you were somehow saying that 2 car lenghts is really not much. If I misinterpreted that, then my apologies.

My example of running my stocker vs a tuned car was merely to illustrate that 2 car lengths IS a big difference, so that calling them pigs is probably appropriate.

Some pigs are bigger than others, I guess. They ARE pigs, and looking at weight and size, so is mine and yours.

Some pigs are bigger than others, I guess. They ARE pigs, and looking at weight and size, so is mine and yours.

I guess my point was lost. I wasn't pointing out size, weight, or anything else. All I was doing was saying that 2 CLs was significant because from your comment, it sounded like you felt that it wasn't. I inferred that from your post because you said you thought it was funny he called them "pigs" but it was "only" 2 CLs.

And as I subsequently said, if I misconstrued that comment, then my apologies.

Are our cars pigs? I'm sure some would feel that way. But that wasn't the point of my original response.

they are pigs for a 2 door car. meaning they are HEAVY and you can tell driving it.

yes, I was cross-shopping a challenger vs a G8. 2door vs 4 door. the challenger looked great on the outside, but the inside is ass, especially compared to a G8. I think they are also overpriced. a G8 is basically the same price and you get much more for the money. if the challenger dropped 2-200lbs and was 2-3k cheaper, it would be a hell of a car.

I was amazed how much heavier a 300C feels vs a G8. the 300C feels like driving a truck, very slow steering. the G8 would eat it alive on any road with curves. As the challenger is based on the same platform, i can see someone finding the handling unacceptably heavy.

I was amazed how much heavier a 300C feels vs a G8. the 300C feels like driving a truck, very slow steering. the G8 would eat it alive on any road with curves. As the challenger is based on the same platform, i can see someone finding the handling unacceptably heavy.

Did you catch the Top Gear episode where they drive the Challenger SRT8, CTS-V, and ZR1?

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Top-Gear-Muscle-Car_198217.htm

When they go through the twisty roads, it's obvious that the Challenger wasn't built for it.

I was amazed how much heavier a 300C feels vs a G8. the 300C feels like driving a truck, very slow steering. the G8 would eat it alive on any road with curves. As the challenger is based on the same platform, i can see someone finding the handling unacceptably heavy.

The Challenger and 300C have softer spring and shock rates than the Charger. At Laguna Seca, the 300C had far too much body roll and jounce for me. The Charger felt damn good though.

The actual weight difference vs. a G8 is 100-150lbs but the "feel" can be entirely different.

they are pigs for a 2 door car. meaning they are HEAVY and you can tell driving it.

yes, I was cross-shopping a challenger vs a G8. 2door vs 4 door. the challenger looked great on the outside, but the inside is ass, especially compared to a G8. I think they are also overpriced. a G8 is basically the same price and you get much more for the money. if the challenger dropped 2-200lbs and was 2-3k cheaper, it would be a hell of a car.

I've heard that about the interior from both sides. I'd like to take a look at the G8 myself. I can say that the Mopar design may be lacking, but the touch and feel of the controls is excellent.

The Challenger has unique styling and more content available than the G8, but the G8 is an excellent bargain. I'm sure you can find them for 2-3k cheaper if you shopped.

As far as the weight - no doubt. Platform sharing has it's disadvantages too. Look at the overweight Camaro. And the G8 is close to weight of the LX, yet the wheelbase is 4-5" shorter?

I guess my point was lost. I wasn't pointing out size, weight, or anything else. All I was doing was saying that 2 CLs was significant because from your comment, it sounded like you felt that it wasn't. I inferred that from your post because you said you thought it was funny he called them "pigs" but it was "only" 2 CLs.

And as I subsequently said, if I misconstrued that comment, then my apologies.

Are our cars pigs? I'm sure some would feel that way. But that wasn't the point of my original response.

Two CLs can be significant. But if it's because of the launch, it's the driver. Pulling out "immediately" is a sure sign.

Try racing an '09 from a roll at 20 or 55mph and let us know what happens (handicapping for the dead spots in the 5sp auto).

I doubt it would be a pig then?

I raced a 6 Speed one and it was back and forther until I finally over took him in 3rd/4th gear. (I also gave him a 1/2 second jump where I had to catch up to him). He never caught up after that. I have an intake and exhaust and his was stock. I had 4 people in my car and he had 3.

I don't remember the speed we launched at but it was around 4.5K RPMs in 2nd gear.

Did you catch the Top Gear episode where they drive the Challenger SRT8, CTS-V, and ZR1?

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Top-Gear-Muscle-Car_198217.htm

When they go through the twisty roads, it's obvious that the Challenger wasn't built for it.

Yea we went through a couple of turns (Chellenger vs my G8GT) and I was nurvous watching him. I could have done way more in the G8.

Although, even after owning a M3, I really feel the G8 handles amazing for the size car it is. In a high speed corner, it feels very light and smooth. The M3 would dive in all of the sudden and scare me.

I raced a 6 Speed one and it was back and forther until I finally over took him in 3rd/4th gear. (I also gave him a 1/2 second jump where I had to catch up to him). He never caught up after that. I have an intake and exhaust and his was stock. I had 4 people in my car and he had 3.

I don't remember the speed we launched at but it was around 4.5K RPMs in 2nd gear.

Clearly it was an R/T, correct?

I just watched the video it was very entertaining!
Did you catch the Top Gear episode where they drive the Challenger SRT8, CTS-V, and ZR1?

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Top-Gear-Muscle-Car_198217.htm

When they go through the twisty roads, it's obvious that the Challenger wasn't built for it.

I just watched the video it was very entertaining!

It would have been great if they had a G8 GT or GXP in that group, but still a good watch.

just to clear it up the SRT is 4160lbs the r/t is like 4050 or something. Still feels like a pig when driven. I have driven both an r/t and a G8 gt and have chose the gxp unless I cant afford it.

IMHO, a two door sports car with a back seat (pony car) should be no more than 3600 to 3700 lbs. In today's world that is a bit difficult with all of the safety equipment and such but should be a bogey weight. The M3 two door weighs 3625 lbs but if I am not mistaken, it uses some weight savings materials to get to that target. That being said and back to this post, yes I believe the Challenger is too heavy for a pony car and that is where the Camaro will trump the performance of the Challenger because of the weight difference, while being very similar in power levels with both available V8 engine options. For the weight of the LX/LY platform SRT8 cars, they do move out though and makes them more than a match for 90 to 95 percent of the cars on the road today that are lighter. I will humbley admit though that if this particular car was available in the US back when I was car shopping back in late 2006, I would be driving one today. This thing is a monster!!

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/vauxhall-monaro-vxr-ls2_82266.htm

It's funny, but when the GTO came out, the issue was the bland exterior styling (especially compared to the new Mustang)...but the INTERIOR was far superior. Same thing w/ the Challenger from what I'm hearing. You know, when I'm driving the car, I am not as interested in what OTHERS are seeing by what I see from inside! These Holdens are VERY nice cars...as a guy that owns both Import Holdens!

Got another good one for you:

http://www.dpccars.com/car-videos-08/11-14-08page-Top-Gear-Australia-HSV-W427.htm

This one is even BETTER!!!

Looks alot like what the GXP GT will be looking like. NICE!!!!

The Challengers aren't that fast. SRT8 are low to mid 13s on a good day. R/T will be slower. I crushed an SRT8 Challenger with my 2002 TA (mods were lid, tune, 3.73s), badly..had 2 cars on him by 70 mph. The TA's best run at the track was 13.20.

A G8 GT with a few mods should run with SRT8s, R/T's are just prey.

BTW I test drove a Charger R/T before the G8 no comparison on handling or straightline performance. G8 way better...since the Challenger is pretty much on the same platform, I can't imagine its much different.

Good kill!

I saw an SRT8 challenger run 13.7s at the track yesterday :( whats going on???

The Challengers aren't that fast. SRT8 are low to mid 13s on a good day. R/T will be slower. I crushed an SRT8 Challenger with my 2002 TA (mods were lid, tune, 3.73s), badly..had 2 cars on him by 70 mph. The TA's best run at the track was 13.20.

A G8 GT with a few mods should run with SRT8s, R/T's are just prey.

BTW I test drove a Charger R/T before the G8 no comparison on handling or straightline performance. G8 way better...since the Challenger is pretty much on the same platform, I can't imagine its much different.

Good kill!

Good thing you had gears, otherwise a driver's race. And I wouldn't go around posting 13.2 with an LS-1 and 3.73 gears unless you were at a high elevation, either. Just curious, what was your trap speed?

Challengers have a softer suspension like the 300C SRT-8 but will outhandle an R/T Charger.

I saw an SRT8 challenger run 13.7s at the track yesterday :( whats going on???

Same thing as LS2 GTOs running 14s which I've seen several times.

Btw, your car runs really good! Excellent ET. How much do you contribute to the spark plugs and underdrive pulley? Any negatives to the UDP on the G8s?

Good thing you had gears, otherwise a driver's race. And I wouldn't go around posting 13.2 with an LS-1 and 3.73 gears unless you were at a high elevation, either. Just curious, what was your trap speed?

Certainly the gears helped. Well 13.2 was what it ran. Trap was 106 or so IIRC. 60' was fairly unimpressive at 2.1.

Its not a great time for an LS1 with those mods...but that's what it did.

Shall I go around saying it was a 12 second car then?

Certainly the gears helped. Well 13.2 was what it ran. Trap was 106 or so IIRC. 60' was fairly unimpressive at 2.1.

Its not a great time for an LS1 with those mods...but that's what it did.

Shall I go around saying it was a 12 second car then?

No, but it's certainly capable! No doubt it's faster than a stock SRT-8 but your numbers from the dragstip don't reflect it, that's all.

your numbers from the dragstip don't reflect it, that's all.

I don't go to the drag strip but maybe two or three times a year. Most runs I've made were in my GTP (over 80 runs over 4 years). I think I only made maybe 5 or 6 runs in the TA (I only owned it for a year and half or so), so the "driver" mod comes into play, especially knowing how to launch. To me a good 1/4 mile is at least 70% in the 60' time...bad 60' bad time.