I was talking with my friend about this, and couldn't come to agree.

I said, no way is a stall converter a "bolt on" considering you have to remove the entire transmission to do so. (Basically the same as saying putting rods and pistons in the motor is a bolt on, cause I have to take the motor out for that)

I always considered bolt on to be: CAI, Headers, Catbacks, maybe an intake manifold swap. You know the easy stuff that you can bolt on in your garage by yourself with out anything more then a 50 piece tool set.

What are your thoughts?

I always considered bolt on to be: CAI, Headers, Catbacks, maybe an intake manifold swap. You know the easy stuff that you can bolt on in your garage by yourself with out anything more then a 50 piece tool set.

What are your thoughts?

Don't you have to unbolt things to install the above mentioned parts? No different than unbolting the trans and installing a converter. I.E. Bolt on :judge: Hell, a blower is a "bolt on" if you think about it.

IMHO I hate the term "bolt on". Run what you brung.

I think the term "bolt on" usually applies to modifications that you can put on your car without cracking the long block. If I had to guess I would say that technically a converter isn't a bolt on item since you have to take the transmission loose to put it on. If you could just bolt the converter on without removing the transmission then it would be a different story.

I do consider blowers and turbos to be "bolt on, power adders"
But not just a "bolt on" Cause yes you bolt them on, but you have to do supporting mods, and tuning to get it all to work correctly.

I was just wondering where does the term stop, since there are so many people going for "bolt on" records these days. It just seems to me that doing a converter, is pushing that just a little bit. Might as well throw a cam shaft while your in there and call that bolt on as well. LOL.

If I was to say what I feel is a "bolt on" is something I can put on in a day in my garage, without taking my motor or tranny off, out, or apart. And I don't have to do any sort of real tuning to make that part work, and gain performance.

IE: Ported throttle body, CAI, rockers, headers, catback, ect.

Don't you have to unbolt things to install the above mentioned parts? No different than unbolting the trans and installing a converter. I.E. Bolt on :judge: Hell, a blower is a "bolt on" if you think about it.

IMHO I hate the term "bolt on". Run what you brung.

Says the guy who I am sure gets a big discount on his supercharger. :wink2: j/k

I tend to agree with E.A. but since there is no offical definition for bolt-ons I condiser a bolt-on mod to be "a non power adder (FI or Nitrous) moddification that doesn't require disassembly of major components to install." So you are just unbolting the stock parts and bolting on the new parts without having to remove and reinstall other major components to get it done. Though I am sure we would have a tough time getting people to agree on a definition.

I do not consider a converter to be a "bolt-on".

Everyones opinion differs, but to me a "bolt on" is something that a novice can do without screwing it up.

Says the guy who I am sure gets a big discount on his supercharger. :wink2: j/k



I wish:(

I think we had this same thread about 3-4 years ago on ls1tech or ls2 when they where creating the lists of fastest stock car, fastest bolt on car, and fasted N/A and the list goes on and on. I think the T/C fell under the bolt on and up because the T/C would not fit under any other category unless you make a sub category under bolt on called bolt on+T/C. Any other category except stock car it really is a necessary part to go fast.

I wouldnt call it a bolt on... unless your about to race someone for money from a dig lol... but where I come from full bolt ons would consist of pulleys, plugs n wires, headers, intake, exhaust and a tune. A converter is a converter, not part of the real "bolt on" term imo.

Cam and heads are bolt ons and thats more work then a stall.

I didn't think cam and heads were bolt ons.

:zzz:

I thought bolt-ons were those parts that oil didn't touch. ie headers, intakes, pulleys,... as far as the converter is concerned I thought that was a bolt-on too since its touched by fluid not oil :) Plus fewer bolts need to be touched to swap converters than intake manifolds.

I think of it as more of a.....bolt in than a bolt on.

I vote bolt-on.

;)

if it requires bolts to hold it on the car, then it IS a bolt on... to what degree of bolt on, is up to the owner

That means an engine swap is a bolt on as well as everything in the engine.

:zzz:

Wake up old man! Time to take your Kaopectate.

:)

It shouln't be called bolt ons ,it should be called guy (a ) could only afford this, guy (b) could only afford this and this and so on. It seems that alot of people want to be the fastest but on their terms. The Fastest is just that, the Fastest. Everyone after that just falls in line ,til they step up. Just a thought . Lol

It shouln't be called bolt ons ,it should be called guy (a ) could only afford this, guy (b) could only afford this and this and so on. It seems that alot of people want to be the fastest but on their terms. The Fastest is just that, the Fastest. Everyone after that just falls in line ,til they step up. Just a thought . Lol

You mean I don't get to be "Fastest Fat Goof, with All White Socks"?

Hey, you are the fastest G8 in Clarks Summit , the Mayor should acknowledge that ,an have a special day in your honor ! Lol

technicallly, anything you can bolt on the motor..... so turbo's and superchargers can be bolted on.... if you have to go INSIDE the motor, you're bolting in, not on.....

Hey, you are the fastest G8 in Clarks Summit , the Mayor should acknowledge that ,an have a special day in your honor ! Lol

Now you went and did it Lee.

Like you don't want a post whore award! LOL

Hey, you are the fastest G8 in Clarks Summit , the Mayor should acknowledge that ,an have a special day in your honor ! Lol

Not to mention a nationally recognized Plastic Cuttin' Badass.

Hey, you are the fastest G8 in Clarks Summit , the Mayor should acknowledge that ,an have a special day in your honor ! Lol


I believe you're right!

Should I dress as Caesar or Napoleon for the parade?

doesn't sound like a bolt on to me

a torque/stall converter is when the engine engages with the transmission right? so if somebody had a converter rated at 3000, than they would need 3k rpms before moving?

doesn't sound like a bolt on to me

a torque/stall converter is when the engine engages with the transmission right? so if somebody had a converter rated at 3000, than they would need 3k rpms before moving?

http://www.converter.cc/faq/

doesn't sound like a bolt on to me

a torque/stall converter is when the engine engages with the transmission right? so if somebody had a converter rated at 3000, than they would need 3k rpms before moving?

http://www.converter.cc/faq/

Thanks George

I believe you're right!

Should I dress as Caesar or Napoleon for the parade?

Maybe you take the coolest parts of each. A toga and Napolean's hat. That would look good!!!

Maybe you take the coolest parts of each. A toga and Napolean's hat. That would look good!!!


I like it!

A True Kodak moment !

AND?Like you don't want a post whore award! LOL

I believe you're right!

Should I dress as Caesar or Napoleon for the parade?

This is so going on You Tube!

i would say its a bolt on if the part doesn't touch oil. stall = bolt-on

i would say its a bolt on if the part doesn't touch oil. stall = bolt-on

It touches oil. Transmission oil. :)

Don't you have to unbolt things to install the above mentioned parts? No different than unbolting the trans and installing a converter. I.E. Bolt on :judge: Hell, a blower is a "bolt on" if you think about it.

IMHO I hate the term "bolt on". Run what you brung.

AGREED. We fabricated my GTO from front to back and then BOLTED lots of parts on that we made. HAHA.

I say who cares... and agree on the run what you brung! And don't give me the well i spent way less money than you excuse. Thats like pissing in the wind!

Toga' suck in the snow!

Here is a good working definition for the term bolt-on.
Bolt-ons: simple parts that can be easily bolted on in place of the stock component and that don't require professional experience or tools. Examples: headers, cai, wheels, shocks (but not springs). Other mods such as cams, heads, udp, springs & bushings, super chargers, turbo chargers, converters, etc. are not bolt ons.

I guess that settles it then!

Technically, does the torque converter use bolts to secure it at all? Should it not be considered a "slide-on"?

'nuff said...

Everyones opinion differs, but to me a "bolt on" is something that a novice can do without screwing it up.

i agree. bolt on is something that the average joe can put on with basic hand tools

Torque converters slide on the trans input shaft and bolt to the flywheel.Oh No ,slide and bolt?

Bolt-ons =
CAI , Tune , Headers, U/D pulley , exhaust , ported intake , ported TB , Stall converter is alway's part of any bolt on record. Hell even a built trans would be part of a bolt-on record . Also the converter or gears add no power at all .

Non bolt ons =
Blower,NOS,Turbo,Heads,Cam, any kind of short block work .