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usually s techs go for 190-210

Nice, but I don't like the rake

That is a pretty extreme rake! Usually S-Techs settle abit though, not the best handling spring, more of a cosmetic mod.

It sure does look like a rake in the picture but in reality it's an even drop between front and rear 35mm all the way around. I took the measurements myself when we picked up his car.

http://www.g8board.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2572&stc=1&d=1229247604

Im sure it's an lowered evenly at all four corners. I dont like the visual look. Visually it's raked. I want mine to sit like the JHP examples. It visually sits even all around by lowering the rear more. The white one is a 1" and the red a 2". I'll be going with the 2" kit.
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Look at SRG963's signature..........

Are you going to tell me the stock blue G8 does not have the rake look?

Let's keep this to facts please.

The G8 stock has a lot of "rake" to it in visual appearance.

Im sure it's an lowered evenly at all four corners. I dont like the visual look. Visually it's raked. I want mine to sit like the JHP examples. It visually sits even all around by lowering the rear more. The white one is a 1" and the red a 2". I'll be going with the 2" kit.
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Wow, that red one looks lower then 2". Looks badass though.

Wow, that red one looks lower then 2". Looks badass though.

The 20inch wheels help cover that wheel arch. It was 2'' in the front and about 2 1/4'' in the back when the car was on the stand.

The rake look comes from the way that rocker panel is made. Also the bodylines.

The 20inch wheels help cover that wheel arch. It was 2'' in the front and about 2 1/4'' in the back when the car was on the stand.

When I purchase the kit will it come with the 2" front and 2 1/4" rear?

Let's keep this to facts please.

The G8 stock has a lot of "rake" to it in visual appearance.


Thank you very much.

That was my point.

Just look at the facts. No knocking of other sponsors or products please.

This same illusion appears on the RX8 when you lower it.

Here's a comparison againt an M5 with after market wheels,

So how much can the G8 be lowered with the stock struts without bottoming them out or getting a bouncy ride?

Mercedes also have this situation... it's why most people use a larger series tire up front than out back... for example: 245/35/20 up front and 285/30/20 out back...

So how much can the G8 be lowered with the stock struts without bottoming them out or getting a bouncy ride?

You can bottom out stock suspension if you tried hard enough.
It’s not just about the height of the springs either.
The options we had a good experience is KING springs with 20mm drop.
TEIN 35mm drop we suggest to use with new bump stops.
And the last option we have a combo of KING springs with Monroe GT short struts with 40mm and 20mm spring drop available.
http://members.cox.net/g8web/SuspensionBrakes/MonroeGTshockkitVE-h.jpg

Are the Monroe struts pretty much a shorter stock replacement or are they a performance strut?

Are the Monroe struts pretty much a shorter stock replacement or are they a performance strut?


from Monroe website
The Monroe GT Sport range utilises multi-staged valving that is based on our award-winning Reflex technology to deliver optimum levels of performance, control and handling without sacrificing ride comfort.

Having sold Monroe products...DO NOT DO IT TO YOURSELF. We stopped selling them because they aren't all that great. Not to say they are bad. On some applications then actually have the OEM part with their label on it. Also the main reason we stopped is because their warranty process was plain old BAD. my 2 cents.

sounds award winning alright

Having sold Monroe products...DO NOT DO IT TO YOURSELF. We stopped selling them because they aren't all that great. Not to say they are bad. On some applications then actually have the OEM part with their label on it. Also the main reason we stopped is because their warranty process was plain old BAD. my 2 cents.

GM has been using Monroe as OEM equipment for years.
There are also a lot of different Monroe models and I don't believe Monroe GT has been ever marketed in the US so I don't think you've ever seen them or use them.

GM has been using Monroe as OEM equipment for years.
There are also a lot of different Monroe models and I don't believe Monroe GT has been ever marketed in the US so I don't think you've ever seen them or use them.


True they haven't sold the GT models here. "Cant knock what you never tried" :slap:

Another vendor here has some of there shocks made by Monroe* and people love em.

(*Not sure if this is still correct or not, but was last time i heard it was)

Well im gonna give these a try early next year.

How is the ride quality on these?

The stock ride on the car is ok, I wouldn't want it any firmer.

How is the ride quality on these?

The stock ride on the car is ok, I wouldn't want it any firmer.

Any strut you put in will firm up the G8. The G8 struts are oil based only and not worth much in terms of handling.

mike
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Any strut you put in will firm up the G8. The G8 struts are oil based only and not worth much in terms of handling.

mike
dms

The ride is tolerable with 20s but I don't want it to shake itself apart on anything less than glass surfaces.

With any Pedders kit you pretty much have to swap the struts too?

The ride is tolerable with 20s but I don't want it to shake itself apart on anything less than glass surfaces.

With any Pedders kit you pretty much have to swap the struts too?

King Monroe setup includes true progressive king springs which improve the ride quality a lot and easily compensate for the first inch of drop. And even if you go for two inch drop, the shorter Monroe GT shocks really help also.
Even though I have a fully adjustable suspension on my car, I still would recommend king Monroe combo 1 inch drop if you're looking for ride comfort.

The ride is tolerable with 20s but I don't want it to shake itself apart on anything less than glass surfaces.

With any Pedders kit you pretty much have to swap the struts too?

The OEM struts are not worth much in terms of handling. They are oil based only and are very low end. I have done coils only and the look is great and if you are looking more for a look, rather than a substantial improvement in handling, you are ok with just coils. But if you are upping the spring rates to a determined value, like our Pedders do, and you are after looks and handling, I would recommend upgrading the struts as well. It is the same amount of work, whether you do struts or springs or both.

Also as a note, you will want to replace the front strut bushings because they will be collapsed from shippiing damage


Here is a package that would be recommended. It includes all progressive coils with a 2mm accuracy standard coils with a 2mm accuracy standard, struts, adds front strut bushings (which are most likely collapsing from shipment and weak rubber used with the OEM unit), and strut bearings that often come apart upon dissassembling, front bump stops, which are partially damaged from weak OEM springs, and front caster washers that will add 1 plus degrees of positive caster that will make a huge difference in handling all by themselves:
2954 Zeta Front Coil Ride Height approx 642mm with 19" Wheels $77.25
2954 Zeta Front Coil Ride Height approx 642mm with 19" Wheels $77.25
2955 Zeta Rear Coil Ride Height: approx 624mm with 19" Wheels $76.14
2955 Zeta Rear Coil Ride Height: approx 624mm with 19" Wheels $76.14
4358 GTO Bump Stop Front Requires 2 packages $20.28
4358 GTO Bump Stop Front Requires 2 packages $20.28
5851 GTO eXtreme Strut Mount $21.20
5851 GTO eXtreme Strut Mount $21.20
5030 Zeta Front Strut Bearing $16.68
5030 Zeta Front Strut Bearing $16.68
5421 Zeta Extreme Control Arm - Caster Lock Washer $61.33
9464L Zeta GSR Front Left Strut $144.74
9464R Zeta GSR Front Right Strut $144.74
PEDDERS G8 PERFORMANCE DROP SPRINGS AND SHOCKS PARTS PRICING $773.91

This kit goes way beyond what others are offering and at less money. Our dampers are not just standard replacement dampers like some. They are our first level performance dampers. So check us out!
mike
dms

You can bottom out stock suspension if you tried hard enough.
It’s not just about the height of the springs either.
The options we had a good experience is KING springs with 20mm drop.
TEIN 35mm drop we suggest to use with new bump stops.
And the last option we have a combo of KING springs with Monroe GT short struts with 40mm and 20mm spring drop available.
http://members.cox.net/g8web/SuspensionBrakes/MonroeGTshockkitVE-h.jpg

Please PM me a price on this.

Please PM me a price on this.

pm sent

wow....it's just beyond unbearable that some people call it progressive but still can't release specifications

Sigh.......

Sigh.......

I KNOW!......

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LOL, he ask for PM and i did sent PM
G8 King Springs / Monroe GT dampers combination
$867 (shipped/delivered) Includes international UPS traceable shipping

The OEM struts are not worth much in terms of handling. They are oil based only and are very low end. I have done coils only and the look is great and if you are looking more for a look, rather than a substantial improvement in handling, you are ok with just coils. But if you are upping the spring rates to a determined value, like our Pedders do, and you are after looks and handling, I would recommend upgrading the struts as well. It is the same amount of work, whether you do struts or springs or both.

Also as a note, you will want to replace the front strut bushings because they will be collapsed from shippiing damage


Here is a package that would be recommended. It includes all progressive coils with a 2mm accuracy standard coils with a 2mm accuracy standard, struts, adds front strut bushings (which are most likely collapsing from shipment and weak rubber used with the OEM unit), and strut bearings that often come apart upon dissassembling, front bump stops, which are partially damaged from weak OEM springs, and front caster washers that will add 1 plus degrees of positive caster that will make a huge difference in handling all by themselves:
2954 Zeta Front Coil Ride Height approx 642mm with 19" Wheels $77.25
2954 Zeta Front Coil Ride Height approx 642mm with 19" Wheels $77.25
2955 Zeta Rear Coil Ride Height: approx 624mm with 19" Wheels $76.14
2955 Zeta Rear Coil Ride Height: approx 624mm with 19" Wheels $76.14
4358 GTO Bump Stop Front Requires 2 packages $20.28
4358 GTO Bump Stop Front Requires 2 packages $20.28
5851 GTO eXtreme Strut Mount $21.20
5851 GTO eXtreme Strut Mount $21.20
5030 Zeta Front Strut Bearing $16.68
5030 Zeta Front Strut Bearing $16.68
5421 Zeta Extreme Control Arm - Caster Lock Washer $61.33
9464L Zeta GSR Front Left Strut $144.74
9464R Zeta GSR Front Right Strut $144.74
PEDDERS G8 PERFORMANCE DROP SPRINGS AND SHOCKS PARTS PRICING $773.91

This kit goes way beyond what others are offering and at less money. Our dampers are not just standard replacement dampers like some. They are our first level performance dampers. So check us out!
mike
dms
Its also unbearable that some people post their prices, then remove the post when they see they are a lot more money than us.
mike
dms

$773.91 with NO rear Shocks or shipping $773.91 + $247.10 your rear Shocks + $84 for shipping =1105.01

KING MONROE combo $867 (shipped/delivered) Includes international UPS traceable shipping

Experience with lowering these cars in Australia has clearly shown that if you use shorter springs on standard shockers then you will severely compromise the bump travel. Obviously if you lower the car you reduce the travel that is left before you hit the bump stops. This applies to the std struts and to the replacement struts from the common suppliers. What is needed is to use a shorter strut tube that allows more travel before the bump stops are hit. A softer and shorter bump stop is also a good addition. So far only Monroe has come out with a shorter shocker, front and rear. This basically restores bump travel to about the same as standard.

The adjustable Teins and Pedders do help bump travel, but the downside is that they are expensive and many say unnecessary for road cars. My suggestion to forum members is to make enough noise so that more companies will make shorter shockers to suit lowered G8s. To answer a few queries about ride comfort with the shorter shockers offered by Monroe, I have driven with them and when used with the Kings springs they are firm but accectable; and the springs are progressive rates too with rates up about 20% on std, much the same as the Pedders ones. They are clearly a sports setting but as they use hard settings on rebound, and similar to std settings on bump, the end result is a good ride with good spring control. To lower a G8 without considering the amount of bump travel remaining is not wise. Hopefully more suppliers will get the message and start producing shorter shockers.

I see the comment about collapsed strut bushes on the shipped G8 cars ...this hasn't been an issue on VE cars yet and due to a different approach angle, they seem to last much better than the previous GTO style , although it is probably only a matter of time before they do collapse.

So far only Monroe has come out with a shorter shocker, front and rear.

Are you telling me that Pedders is a red Monroe ? :confused::confused:

Experience with lowering these cars in Australia has clearly shown that if you use shorter springs on standard shockers then you will severely compromise the bump travel. Obviously if you lower the car you reduce the travel that is left before you hit the bump stops. This applies to the std struts and to the replacement struts from the common suppliers. What is needed is to use a shorter strut tube that allows more travel before the bump stops are hit. A softer and shorter bump stop is also a good addition. So far only Monroe has come out with a shorter shocker, front and rear. This basically restores bump travel to about the same as standard.

The adjustable Teins and Pedders do help bump travel, but the downside is that they are expensive and many say unnecessary for road cars. My suggestion to forum members is to make enough noise so that more companies will make shorter shockers to suit lowered G8s. To answer a few queries about ride comfort with the shorter shockers offered by Monroe, I have driven with them and when used with the Kings springs they are firm but accectable; and the springs are progressive rates too with rates up about 20% on std, much the same as the Pedders ones. They are clearly a sports setting but as they use hard settings on rebound, and similar to std settings on bump, the end result is a good ride with good spring control. To lower a G8 without considering the amount of bump travel remaining is not wise. Hopefully more suppliers will get the message and start producing shorter shockers.

I see the comment about collapsed strut bushes on the shipped G8 cars ...this hasn't been an issue on VE cars yet and due to a different approach angle, they seem to last much better than the previous GTO style , although it is probably only a matter of time before they do collapse.


I will agree that the ZETA platforms in Au, are not experiencing the same issues with premature and rapid strut bush failures there. But the difference is your Zeta vehicles do not experience a boat ride with the springs blocked and the vehicle chained down very tightly. Also the bump stops have always been a challenge with GTO and G8. The attached picture is a G8 with a little over 6k but driven fairly aggressively with OEM SUSPENSION.

http://forums.peddersusa.com/imagehosting/74956d0510db33.jpg

Changing the strut length for a 1.5 inch drop or so I do not think is necessary. All the drop coils, as far as I know, have increased spring rates, which help a lot. Even with the drop, and if you fully collapse a coil, there is still travel in the shock, or at least with our Pedders dampers. The main reason for changing lengths has to do with the internals of the dampers bottoming out before or at the same time as the coil. Pedders makes a special shock to match the Tassco coils for this very reason. G8s however have enough throw, even in the OEM units so as not to bottom out the shock

GTOs have always had this problem. Because of what we have seen on GTOs and G8s we now include bump stops on all of our systems.

mike
dms

DMS, the purpose of using a strut tube that is a bit shorter is to restore bump travel. Re-read my post , I am not suggesting that the shocker bottoms out when the coil is fully compressed ...it has about an extra 15mm or so of travel left. What I am saying is that if you lower the car 35mm, you have 35mm less travel before the bump stops are hit. This leaves very little travel umless you use a shorter shocker ...meaning that the top surface of the strut is lower by aropunr 20mm, obviously giving 20mm more trasvel comapored to the stad strut. If more suppliers other than Mopnroe supplied shock shockers, it would give form members a better choice.

The Teins mentioned in this thread are adjustable, probably expensive, give good bump travel and yes probably are an overkill for the guy who simply wants to lower his car an inch or two. A better and cheaper solution would be for suppliers to make struts that give proper bump travel, like the Monroe ones. So far there is only a choice of one supplier who has bothered to make shockers for lowered cars. This forum has lots of queries from members who want to lower their cars as low as possible ..... they are the ones who need to be aware of the dangers of reduced bump travel. If more people ask for better shockers, suppliers will be more liklely to make them.

DMS, the purpose of using a strut tube that is a bit shorter is to restore bump travel. Re-read my post , I am not suggesting that the shocker bottoms out when the coil is fully compressed ...it has about an extra 15mm or so of travel left. What I am saying is that if you lower the car 35mm, you have 35mm less travel before the bump stops are hit. This leaves very little travel umless you use a shorter shocker ...meaning that the top surface of the strut is lower by aropunr 20mm, obviously giving 20mm more trasvel comapored to the stad strut. If more suppliers other than Mopnroe supplied shock shockers, it would give form members a better choice.

The Teins mentioned in this thread are adjustable, probably expensive, give good bump travel and yes probably are an overkill for the guy who simply wants to lower his car an inch or two. A better and cheaper solution would be for suppliers to make struts that give proper bump travel, like the Monroe ones. So far there is only a choice of one supplier who has bothered to make shockers for lowered cars. This forum has lots of queries from members who want to lower their cars as low as possible ..... they are the ones who need to be aware of the dangers of reduced bump travel. If more people ask for better shockers, suppliers will be more liklely to make them.

I believe the OEM G8 struts are designed for over 3 inches of suspension travel. Doing the normal drops, 1.5 inches or so, really does not affect this basic design. But dropping lower than 3 inches will create issues.

Our Pedders eXtreme coil overs has no issue at all with severe drops. Pete has lowered his G8 and currently has the rear at over 3 inches dropped with no issues and there is room for more drop, at least on the strut. But our design allows for a specific preload of 1 of 3 different coils, street, sport, or race, then you adjust the heights not by changing spring rates, by increasing/decreasing the length of the strut itself. This is the ideal way of adjusting and keeping spring rates balanced and controlled.

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dms