Go to www.gminventory.com.

Click unproduced G8s and click national. These are probably the Feb. pool of vehicles for tagging. (Don't ask me why they list them as unproduced since build dates were last year).

It looks like 75% are base and 25% are GT.

Pick your vehicle and tell your dealer to tag it ASAP. This site appears to be public.

975 GT's wow!

969 now. It looks like they are going fast.

956 now. Is this real?

Are we able to tell what is a GT and how can we influence the dealership if we don't know if ours picked their cars yet?

Just search on G8 GT. 937 left.

Are we able to tell what is a GT?

Under body style click GT and it will only show the GT's.

They show as "unproduced" because they have not been tagged. This is probably the tagging site. In fact I would assume that the window sticker the cars are shipped with gets replaced by a new one with dealer info once successfully tagged. This is also a process that only dealers with current allocation can participate in.

Or these are the vehicles designated for fleet and rental sales (% of base now makes sense as for public consumption it should be 70/30 GT) Transportation free up to 300 miles and at dealer discretion beyond would also mean these are not regular production.

It is no more a public site than dealerworld, just one of those things that they overlook because without a proper login nothing can be done. I take that back - it is a little scarey in there, too easy to enter dealer info. Better put Pandora back in her box. :ibtl:

(further proof, 1335 $53,000 Hybrid SUVs sitting produced without a home)

180 black ones left.

210 gray ones.

Where are the white ones. Maybe they are the ones with no color listed?

I only get 907 hybrids.

Where are the white ones. Maybe they are the ones with no color listed?

Look for code 11U. Makes up about 20% of all G8s. Still don't understand the lack on this site of physically matching up an allocation with a vehicle, which I thought was supposed to be the drill. A dealer allowed 3 units would normally not be allowed to order 5 (or more). Guess we need a dealer not busy "tagging" to inform and direct.

I wonder how many of them were slated for test purposes? Magazines and all... Edmunds is expecting one of them I know.

I only get 907 hybrids.

Same number, but those are unproduced, TPW of this week and later.

Does anyone know the code for the sunroof option?

Does anyone know the code for the sunroof option?

CF5, click on the code under option content and it'll describe the option.

There are very few CF5's in this batch.

Crap, I don't see any Black GTs with a sunroof?!

I have mine in the cart, can I go ahead and pay dealer cost for it:laugh:

In Cart 2008 PONTIAC G8 2EC69 Ignition Orange Metallic AJ6 AQ5 KA1 NP5 NU1
PCQ PW2 QFX UWP VY7
YF5 463 77U 11/22/2007 MJFJM5

Has anyone seen a CF5 code on any of these G8s?

I don't see any CF5 either.

Just found a white one.

Oh well, I'll have to get an aftermarket one.....

Has anyone seen a CF5 code on any of these G8s?

Sort by color/price and go to page 4. That'll bring up some white ones (11U). I saw a few CF5's.

Be careful to look at the date. Some of the ones showing up appear not to be in the US yet based on the date

My dealer just said he's got a place that will do a power sunroof, so no biggie....

I just want mine ASAP! : )

70 have sunroofs. If you sort by option content they all come to the top.

We're only supposed to get something like 20% sunroofs for the model year.

I just got a confirmation, this really is the actual tagging site and folks, you have a live ringside seat.

Vert, once you have it in the cart you have to proceed to checkout. No cash, no checks, no PayPal, dealer floor plan only.

Seens to be a lot of red ones left.

only 142 black ones left, going fast

My dealer just said he's got a place that will do a power sunroof, so no biggie....

I just want mine ASAP! : )

No biggie:

http://g8board.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=360&d=1201800287

2008 PONTIAC G8 Liquid Red AJ6 AQ5 KA1 NP5 NU1
PCQ PW2 QFX UWP VY7
YF5 473 62U
2008 PONTIAC G8 Liquid Red AJ6 AQ5 CF5 KA1 NP5
NU1 PCQ PW2 QFX UWP
VY7 YF5 463 62U

What I see is a small number of sunroofs (CF5) in red, and none with two-tone (473) interior - maybe all gone. Good thing I am 6 months out.

Over 600 base G8s have a sunroof.

There are a very few blue base G8s available (no remaining GTs although there could have been) despite earlier reports of late arrival for this color.

I never saw any blue GTs on the list.

When you build your G8 on Pontiac's web site, next to the Blue color option it says " Late Availability"

The dealer called me a few minutes ago. They tagged my G8 and it will arrive at the dealership in 4-6 weeks. (I live in Ohio).
So I'm looking at getting my car around March 1 to 15!

What does the TPW stand for? There are dates below it (some as far back as Jan 2007)? I had though it was a production date, but I am not so sure, but that would make the most sense.

532 GTs left as of 10:53am PST?

I never saw any blue GTs on the list.
Just base.
What does the TPW stand for? There are dates below it (some as far back as Jan 2007)? I had though it was a production date, but I am not so sure, but that would make the most sense.
Target Production Week

And I saw the 1/10/2007 dates. Has to be human error. Is either month 11, or year 8. I think how long it takes me at beginning of year to get date right when I pay bills.

Just base.

Target Production Week

And I saw the 1/10/2007 dates. Has to be human error. Is either month 11, or year 8. I think how long it takes me at beginning of year to get date right when I pay bills.Thanks, I figured the dates were off, but did not know what TPW meant.

dates in some foreing countries are listed

day/ month/ year

this may be the case here...

dates in some foreing countries are listed

day/ month/ year

this may be the case here...Thanks, I know that, but saw there was also a 1-17-07 date, so that told me the order was MM-DD-YY.

It's possible that where the date is ambigiuous, whoever keyed it in assumed mmddyy, but changed it where it was obvious. I know I have done that with US style dates.

I did not get my car today! This kind of sucks! I wanted a:

Black G8 GT
Premium Package (leather) onyx interior
All Season Tires
* Sunroof


The dealer was looking for the sunroof & didn't find any. Then when he went back to get one with out they were gone. He's so fired!


:barf:

I want an 6MT dammit :(

Having watched this all day it's going to be like finding a needle in a haystack if you want a specific configuration/color.

You better be willing to be extremely flexible with options and color.

I just wonder when this list will get updated with new inventory?

I'm waiting for a Ute. So, my madness is still 6 months away. :gr_jest:

I'm really excited that they've got a lot coming over, and in continuous waves.

Hoping sometime in mid-march that I'll be able to walk into a dealer and drive the one I want then buy it.

When will the next batch of cars be avalable for tagging? My dealer didn't understand the tagging process and asked me to come down to "build" the vehicle. By the time I was able to teach him his job and get him to look through the vehicle list, The color/options I wanted was already gone. I wanted black or grey GT with premium and sport. There seems to be very few vehicles with the sport package in this first batch.

I may just hold off until GM trains their dealers better.

Hopefully at some point you can put in an order and wait a month or two for it to come over by boat.

I did that with my Saab 9-3, ordered it August 9th, picked it up November 1st.

I'm waiting for a Ute. So, my madness is still 6 months away. :gr_jest:

Does anyone know if the Ute will be orderable by September?

When will the next batch of cars be avalable for tagging? My dealer didn't understand the tagging process and asked me to come down to "build" the vehicle. By the time I was able to teach him his job and get him to look through the vehicle list, The color/options I wanted was already gone. I wanted black or grey GT with premium and sport. There seems to be very few vehicles with the sport package in this first batch.

I may just hold off until GM trains their dealers better.

One dealer spoke with was all over the tagging, the other looked at me like I was speaking a different language.

Where is the 19in wheel option?

Looks loke tagging is not a simple build and submit for computer search.

What you need to do:
1. build your vehicle at www.pontiac.com
2. Learn the RPO codes from here http://eogld.ecomm.gm.com/NASApp/domestic/proddesc.jsp?year=2008&regionID=1&divisionID=7&type=0&vehicleID=6090&section=modelhome&page=&butID=1#
3.Look at the 11 configurations http://www.g8forum.com/forums/f6/tagging-regular-production-g8s-begins-soon-36/
4. Know your color and trim
5. Know your cuts of meat...oops, too much Letterman

Looks like only GTs with PCQ premium package left are Orange.

I hate this process:

1. You need a dealer with allocation
2. You need a dealer with tagging allowance out of their total allocation.
3. You need a dealer that won't price gouge.
4. Now you need the exact vehicle/configuration/color to show up.
5. Now you need to make contact with the dealer to tag it quickly before it goes "poof". (the west coast dealers are pissed that this whole thing started (and ended) before they were even out of bed.

Build to order would have been so much better!!!

It will be continually updated. This was forwared to me
Subject: Pontiac G8 Tagging Announcement


GM is pleased to announce that the initial tagging for 2008 MY G8 units will begin on Thursday, January 31, 2008 and conclude on Wednesday, February 27, 2008 for monthly tagging allowances based on the January consensus.

If a desired pattern order is not available at gminventory.com when tagging, please check back within your monthly tagging period since the site will be updated regularly as vehicles are shipped.



01/10/2007 is October 1st, 2007 in parts of the world.
Pontiac noticed the dates we talked about enough to highlight it to the dealers.

The ST "Ute" is more than a year out, Q3 of 2009. There was a little more info that concerns other cars but I need to keep a lid on those (none are G8)

I hate this process:

1. You need a dealer with allocation
2. You need a dealer with tagging allowance out of their total allocation.
3. You need a dealer that won't price gouge.
4. Now you need the exact vehicle/configuration/color to show up.
5. Now you need to make contact with the dealer to tag it quickly before it goes "poof". (the west coast dealers are pissed that this whole thing started (and ended) before they were even out of bed.

Build to order would have been so much better!!!

Really. They have to find one.

Unless they change that for 2009 looks like they won't be leasing any of these cars.

Why does GM take a crap on all the good cars?

So all the GT's have pretty well been spoken for?


hmm... if I have to wait till end of march to hear, "well, we'll be shipping next october", then I'll be looking elsewhere, doubly so if there's markup. GM has got to learn at some point to immediately offer some variants of the cars right off the bat, or it loses certain key long term demographics. 3 good recommendations vs. 9 bad one mentality.

For what it's worth, the dealer said that GM is working on the Nav setup and it may be available for us by mid to late 08. Hmmm, I wonder if GM will give us cheesy options on the 1st batch then make more options available when the Stealth Blue is ready. - Just a thought!

Pontiac noticed the dates we talked about enough to highlight it to the dealers.

01/10/2007 is October 1st, 2007 in parts of the world.
Thanks for posting the above, and also for letting us know that it will be updated continually as cars arrive for those who did not get their car of choice.

However, that still does not explain the 01/14/07 dates that are in the TPW for some G8 base cars still on gm inventory. :confused:

No big deal, and no need to answer, but those are probably 2008 cars, where the person entering it goofed on the 07 vs 08 early in the year, like others said.

Also, you would think that they could get their dating consistent for data entry. No big deal, but being an engineer, these fine points stick out.

No flaming please.

For what it's worth, the dealer said that GM is working on the Nav setup and it may be available for us by mid to late 08. Hmmm, I wonder if GM will give us cheesy options on the 1st batch then make more options available when the Stealth Blue is ready. - Just a thought!To give us Nav, that would require them to change the center stack of the IP so that the video display is up higher, which I would think would be a pretty big change, but who knows, maybe they will do it for future cars. Or they could integrate it into the DIC like they have in Oz as their base line nav system today, not sure why the didn't use that now like Audi had in their base nav system a few years back.

To me, Nav is not a big deal, I already have a Nuvi that works great, has bluetooth and I can take into a rental, or our other car (or a friends car) and is the size of deck of cards. It even reads text messages to me when I get them.

Dang - are they all gone already? When I click on Pontiac, no G8 Models even show up. I hope my fleet leasing guy got mine tagged before this batch was all gone or I'm waiting longer.

Thanks for keeping us updated. Does continually updated mean the next batch will appear suddenly or at a slow trickle? thx.

Still 250 GTs now.

so whats the point of this, like do you have to order it or something?

b/c i wanted to test drive it before i did anything.

The ST "Ute" is more than a year out, Q3 of 2009.

Oh. Damn. :(

when the Stealth Blue is ready. -
See my previous post, there are V6s in Blue - not i am sure what you want but the good news is the color is being applied. <update: current total 6 bare stock base V6, no options at all>

Also, you would think that they could get their dating consistent for data entry. No big deal, but being an engineer, these fine points stick out.

I think it depends on where teh original data is entered, or they changed midstream knowing they are dealing with us backwards folks.
Dang - are they all gone already? When I click on Pontiac, no G8 Models even show up. I hope my fleet leasing guy got mine tagged before this batch was all gone or I'm waiting longer.
From the main menu you must select unit type: unproduced G8, if you drill down it looks for produced units that is why you find none.
Thanks for keeping us updated. Does continually updated mean the next batch will appear suddenly or at a slow trickle? thx.
The tagging is for vehicles meeting any of the following conditions:
a. arrived in Cali
b. on a ship
c. built and ready to be shipped
d. has a TPW consistent with the order window of 1/31-2/27

My educated guess is that updates will occur on a weekly basis - we already know it's not daily.

How does all this info fit in with the 888s? Does anyone know where they are in the grand scheme of things?

My educated guess is that updates will occur on a weekly basis - we already know it's not daily.

Nope, it's daily. I saw a new crop of Black, Prem Package, Sports package pop up this morning. I've also seen inventory increase slightly.

Maybe they were released some from yesterday's shopping carts for dealers that never had the allocation.

goat, the 888's were tagged probably a month ago and only about 1/3 of dealers were involved. From what I hear, only 886 of them are making it into dealer hands as someone reported #1 is pre-designated maybe to within the company, and #888 we know will be given away next month.

dave, yeah, after looking this morning I found 2 units matching my criteria that were gone at 11 PM last night. What throws me is they have older TPWs. You could be right about dealers checking out a shopping cart and then GM pulling the units back as ineligible. Myself I had 2 in a cart for a while, but was not going to impersonate (and thus alienate) my dealer by attempting to check out.

See my previous post, there are V6s in Blue - not i am sure what you want but the good news is the color is being applied. <update: current total 6 bare stock base V6, no options at all>



I'll be getting the GT. The Blue will be my second color choice (first is Orange). I really want the 6MT but my wife is trying to convince me otherwise.

Thanks for the info.

They obviously did not make enough GT's with leather, and not enough with the blk/red interior. Those were the first to go. Also they mis-calculated on the sun roofs, but then again I guess they go by history and some computer program instead of thinking "who will buy the first ones out" - which are the enthusiasts looking to get all the options and those unique colors.

No one is perfect, but there certainly are a lot of cloth GT's left, only ignition has leather left from what I can tell, and the 2 blacks that unexpectedly appeared today.

dave, yeah, after looking this morning I found 2 units matching my criteria that were gone at 11 PM last night. What throws me is they have older TPWs. You could be right about dealers checking out a shopping cart and then GM pulling the units back as ineligible. Myself I had 2 in a cart for a while, but was not going to impersonate (and thus alienate) my dealer by attempting to check out.

Great minds think alike! I found my exact configuration pop up at 6 am and have it in my shopping cart. Now I'm waiting for my dealer to get her butt out of bed.

I could enter all the dealer info myself but don't think that would be right without contacting her first.

I'm curious how long the shopping cart holds the vehicle before it goes back in the pool. I'm trying to keep it active as best I can.

GM should really password protect this site.

P.S. I saw a couple Black, Prem, Sport AND sunroofs just pop up. That's a very rare combination!!

They obviously did not make enough GT's with leather, and not enough with the blk/red interior. Those were the first to go. Also they mis-calculated on the sun roofs, but then again I guess they go by history and some computer program instead of thinking "who will buy the first ones out" - which are the enthusiasts looking to get all the options and those unique colors.

No one is perfect, but there certainly are a lot of cloth GT's left, only ignition has leather left from what I can tell, and the 2 blacks that unexpectedly appeared today.

It is changing all the time. This morning there were two Reds with black/red leather AND sunroof. There are some blk/red cloth units (pass). Plenty of loaded orange - maybe they need to rethink that color choice if nobody is biting. Earlier GM said that only about 20% of all G8s for 2008 would have sunroof. Has to be a supply issue as I would expect wants to be 80% sunroof/20% not.

I just tagged the one I wanted on behalf of my dealer!! Black GT Prem Package, all seasons.

I had a couple others in my cart that I just released back to the pool including some with sport package and sunroofs.

what color is 11u?

I think 11u is white.

I think 11u is white.

yep, heres the break down.

11U Hot White
77U Ignition Orange
62U Liquid Red
18U Magnetic Gray
80U Panther Black
25U Stealth Blue

quick code lookup

CF5 Sun Roof, Power (Deletes Std Cargo Comp>t Light.)

46* Onyx (Last Character Refers to Seat Trim.)
47* Onyx/Red (Last Character Refers to Seat Trim.)

YF5 Emission Equipment, California (Req'd in CA.)

**C Seat Trim, Cloth (First Two Characters Refer to Interior Color.)
**3 Seat Trim, Leather Surfaced (First Two Characters Refer to Interior Color.)
AR9 Seats, Bucket Seats, Dual Upgraded Power Adjusters Pkg
Seats, Heated Front Pkg

FE1 Suspension, Sport

My dealer just called. He said that they weren't able to tag until the end of February? It's controlled by who can tag and who can't? Do they just not know what they are talking about? Anyone?

My dealer just called. He said that they weren't able to tag until the end of February? It's controlled by who can tag and who can't? Do they just not know what they are talking about? Anyone?

First, the dealer needs allocation for the model year. And from that allocation they can only tag cars when GM grants them a tagging allowance. The tagging allowance given them 1 month to choose a certain quantity of vehicles from a prebuilt pool.

Tagging allowances are assigned in a lottery fashion and new allowances are communicated to the dealers every month. Not all dealers could tag this month even though they have allocation.

Your best bet is to get a commitment from your dealer to get the next avail. tagging slot reserved for you. (will probably require a deposit).

Then shop at gminventory.com until you find what you want then snag it quickly. Try and get the dealer to agree to let you process the order. All you need is the dealer's code and standard information.

First, the dealer needs allocation for the model year. And from that allocation they can only tag cars when GM grants them a tagging allowance. The tagging allowance given them 1 month to choose a certain quantity of vehicles from a prebuilt pool.

Tagging allowances are assigned in a lottery fashion and new allowances are communicated to the dealers every month. Not all dealers could tag this month even though they have allocation.

Your best bet is to get a commitment from your dealer to get the next avail. tagging slot reserved for you. (will probably require a deposit).

Then shop at gminventory.com until you find what you want then snag it quickly. Try and get the dealer to agree to let you process the order. All you need is the dealer's code and standard information.

Ahh. Thanks. Turns out I'm related to the sales guy at the dealership (small world) He is looking into if I can reserve one of the tags. They are allotted two, plus one 888. This dealer is in the "got tags, can't use them" boat this month then. A dealer on the other side of town didn't know anything about tagging. He has me down for a car as well. I hold less hope in that guy.

Anyone know how often ships will arrive?

Anyone know how often ships will arrive?Supposedly every 2 weeks (per edmunds I believe)

quick code lookup
FE1 Suspension, SportI thought all the G8's get only the FE2 suspension, the FE1 was the "soft" version in the base G8, but after the journalists drove them last fall, they went to the FE2 for both versions.

Supposedly every 2 weeks (per edmunds I believe)

4K cars every two weeks? Makes me feel better if that is the case.

4K cars every two weeks? Makes me feel better if that is the case.1500 cars every 2 weeks.

I just tagged the one I wanted on behalf of my dealer!! Black GT Prem Package, all seasons.

I had a couple others in my cart that I just released back to the pool including some with sport package and sunroofs.


Dave FR: I think you & I are getting the same vehicle. I still havent seen a Black GT, onyx interior, with Prem package, sunroof, & all seasons. I'm hoping I will see it & hold it.

* sigh * :drink:

Dave FR: I think you & I are getting the same vehicle. I still havent seen a Black GT, onyx interior, with Prem package, sunroof, & all seasons. I'm hoping I will see it & hold it.

* sigh * :drink:

I've only seen a couple Black GT's with sunroofs and they also included the Sports Package. Your best bet is to negotiate a deal with the dealer to do your own tagging and keep checking first thing in the morning.

It seems like Holden/GM misjudged US demand or had some production constraints. The loaded GT's were the first to go. The stripped down GTs are still avail. as are most of the non GTs.

It seems like they should have loaded them up more to maximize profit.

The ST "Ute" is more than a year out, Q3 of 2009.

:(

The way GM goes this means a GXP Ute will be Q3 of 2010 as a 2011 model. H#ll by that time gas may be 7-8 bucks a gallon. Guess it gives me more time to save up for a downpayment.

I've only seen a couple Black GT's with sunroofs and they also included the Sports Package. Your best bet is to negotiate a deal with the dealer to do your own tagging and keep checking first thing in the morning.

It seems like Holden/GM misjudged US demand or had some production constraints. The loaded GT's were the first to go. The stripped down GTs are still avail. as are most of the non GTs.

It seems like they should have loaded them up more to maximize profit.


Dave, you are a wise man. I could not agree with you more. I'm going to take this order / tagging into my own hands. I'm probably going to look at www.gminventory.com every day at least a few times a day.

All I need is: 2EC69 (G8 GT), 80U (Panther Black Metallic), PCQ (Premium Package), 463 (onyx leather), QFX (all season 18" tires), & CF5 (sunroof)

And I'm content to not get a sunroof & just get an aftermarket power sunroof installed after I get the car.

More waiting......... This sucks, I want to burn some gas & tires!!!


:gears:

The dealers can get into alot of trouble for allowing customers to order inventory. GM will not be happy when they find out, and the dealer that allows this to happen will possibly lose their allocation.

The dealers can get into alot of trouble for allowing customers to order inventory. GM will not be happy when they find out, and the dealer that allows this to happen will possibly lose their allocation.

As long as the customer is acting on behalf, and with full permission from the dealer, I don't see why it would matter who's doing the data entry.

What really surprises me is why this is a public site. I really think GM should password protect it for dealer use.

As long as the customer is acting on behalf, and with full permission from the dealer, I don't see why it would matter who's doing the data entry.

What really surprises me is why this is a public site. I really think GM should password protect it for dealer use.

Yeah not sure why. I can not order any vehicles without the sales manager permission. We are only allocated 2 gts and 1 888 for the month.

It looks like I could "tag" one for my local dealer if I can find their 5 digit code. I don't think the dealers would be too pleased with the public able to "tag" these G8's but why not. ;)

I'm with one of the above posters. Someone is going to get reamed over this slip up. Now if I can just figure out my dealers 5 digit code. Wonder if it's on a service invoice I have kept. Worth a shot. I'll be a troublemaker. :)

Yeah not sure why. I can not order any vehicles without the sales manager permission. We are only allocated 2 gts and 1 888 for the month.

For the month... that makes more sense. For some reason I was under the impression they only got the allotment for the year. My dealer was told the same 2 and one, but I was thinking that was for the year.

Hmm... I can see it now...

"Hey who tagged this G8"

"I didn't"

"Well I didn't either"

"I sure as h#ll didn't"

Maybe I should get a commision on the one I just tagged. ;)

I have a couple questions about the RPO codes and tagging...

The RPO Codes site says there is a PDD option which includes CJ2 (dual zone A/C) and UWP (6-disc with LCD). One detail is that PDD also says it includes the Blaupunkt premium 11-speaker system which UWP doesn't not specifically list. I haven't found a car yet that has PDD on it. Does that mean it's not there, or do they just leave off the code? I haven't found a single car with PDD yet.

I found some cars with NP5 listed and PCQ. I found at least 1 other with PCQ listed and NP5 not which is supposed to be included in PCQ. What's with the discrepancy?

Will the dealers be able to straighten all of this out? I'm not about to spend $32K on a car and find out that it doesn't have everything I wanted because of some goofy technicality on the tagging website.

Any ideas?

Thanks for ALL of the great information!

Mike

All I need is: 2EC69 (G8 GT), 80U (Panther Black Metallic), PCQ (Premium Package), 463 (onyx leather), QFX (all season 18" tires), & CF5 (sunroof)


Some of these just popped up. Here's one for you:

MKPQ41

Inventory of GT's just increased to about 500 this morning.

I'm not sure what's happening. Either they keep updating the site as they process the vehicle, or new ships have arrived or they rejected some of the early dealer orders for various allocation reasons.

Some of these just popped up. Here's one for you:

MKPQ41

Inventory of GT's just increased to about 500 this morning.

I'm not sure what's happening. Either they keep updating the site as they process the vehicle, or new ships have arrived or they rejected some of the early dealer orders for various allocation reasons.


DaveFr: Yep, I noticed them when my wife & I came home last night (Sat. night) from grocery shopping.

Thanks!

Hmm, can't seem to open gminventory.com anymore. Wonder if they finally are setting it up to be password protected?

I was wondering the same thing! I wanted to check to see if they added more GTs to the pool & I cannot bring up the website.....

Wow... you're right! I was on it last night and it was fine.

Maybe the site is being updated.
Maybe it is being updated with 09's including GXP:)

^too soon for taht, it lags at last 3 weeks behind production - so 09's cannot appear until near end of March.

It's up and working today, new vehicles loaded, but no newer TPW than 1/18/08

I'll be waiting patiently

Yep, the www.gminventory.com site is back up. 348 GTs, it doesn't look like they put any new GTs in the system........

Yep, the www.gminventory.com site is back up. 348 GTs, it doesn't look like they put any new GTs in the system........

But doesn't it make you wonder how accurate this thing is when there are sooo many cars still "available" and yet there are sooo many dealers that supposedly don't have a clue when they will get one? I mean if the cars are there for the tagging, why haven't these yeawho dealers snagged them? Something just isn't right here?!?:confused:

But doesn't it make you wonder how accurate this thing is when there are sooo many cars still "available" and yet there are sooo many dealers that supposedly don't have a clue when they will get one? I mean if the cars are there for the tagging, why haven't these yeawho dealers snagged them? Something just isn't right here?!?:confused:

Only dealers with allocations in the first round are eligible to tag a vehicle now. Consider that about 1/4 of all dealers were eligible for a 1/888, guess that maybe 1/2 of dealers get cars in this round. They are not tagging the V6's because either they don't have the customers lined up or they are unsure of how teh new product will sell, or some other reason. I would assume that every dealer getting a first 888 would also be in this first round, but one I visited never offered any inkling that they had any vehicles other than the 1/888 available. Truth be told, I don't think they know one way or the other.

I have a question dealing with tagging/allocations....etc....that hopefully someone can answer for me.

My dealer says that they are getting two GTs at the end of February. All they say they know is that one is black, one is gray. How is it that they can know the colors, and nothing else? Is there a way I can tell them to look up the info, or any additional info about the vehicles they are getting?

The dealer which I have been working with has been a nail biting experience. I dropped in about 2 months ago to ask some simple questions, and they didn't know a thing. I went in to weeks ago, again a random visit, and they said if I put a deposit down, they will be able to tag the car I want.

Then I went in the day they said they would be able to tag my car (Jan 31), and they were just sitting on their thumbs and rotating. They said they were looking for my car to my specs, but couldn't find it. Would you think it would be wise of them to maybe call me about this, rather than wait longer and potentially get one with even less options I had requested?

Lastly, they said that it should be here 2 weeks from the tag date, which means it would be this Thursday. I dropped in, and asked if the ETA is still accurate, and he said we just hope to get it in this month.

I initially though I was just dealing with a bunch of morons at one dealership, but now from all of your input I realize that the issue is with Pontiac/GM not providing information to their dealers. Oh well.

If it wasn't for all of your posts and information, I probably would be very nervous buying a car without even seeing it. But with all of your information, I now know more about it than the dealership does. Too bad they don't know what the Internet is.

Thanks everyone. And I'll see you on the road.

I have a question dealing with tagging/allocations....etc....that hopefully someone can answer for me.

My dealer says that they are getting two GTs at the end of February. All they say they know is that one is black, one is gray. How is it that they can know the colors, and nothing else? Is there a way I can tell them to look up the info, or any additional info about the vehicles they are getting?

They would not know colors without having tagged the vehicles. Nobody but the dealer picks the color. So they positively know what configuration of the seven possibilities they have selected. They cannot be that stupid to jujst blindly pick by color regardless of options - or could they. Anyway ask to see the tagging config and from the RPOs you can figure out whether they have premium package, sport package, sunroof, two-tone interior. The other thing could be that these two vehilces are 2/888, but even then, there were choices. Two configs for GT, 888's. One is premium package and all-season tires, the other is premium plus sport packages (summer tires) no sunroof on either. But they could be either interior color.

Reminder, not every dealer is guaranteed a 2008 model year G8, but is guaranteed a 2009 calendar year vehicle.

I asked her for the tagging sheets, and she said she didn't know of anything like that. I'm just going to assume that she has not the slightest clue of what's going on, and go over her head and ask someone who may be in the know. What term(s) should I be using with these people? Meaning, what are the names of the official places they should be looking for this information? Dealer sites? Gm sites?

Any input would be awesome.

I asked her for the tagging sheets, and she said she didn't know of anything like that. I'm just going to assume that she has not the slightest clue of what's going on, and go over her head and ask someone who may be in the know. What term(s) should I be using with these people? Meaning, what are the names of the official places they should be looking for this information? Dealer sites? Gm sites?

Any input would be awesome.

Tell the dealer to go to pontiaclaunch.com and login with their BAC code. The distribution tab will give them their MY'08 allocation and any current tagging allowance.

Now tell them to go to gminventory.com and have them tag the vehicle. Or better yet tag it yourself on behalf of, and with permission from the dealer.

I can't believe dealers are so clueless. The G8 is the most exciting thing that's happening at Pontiac dealers and you'd think they'd be on top of it.

I second that they don't have a clue! I had a saleperson tell me that these are being made in Europe, not Australia. We are more involved obviously. Like was said over and over, do your homework BEFORE making a deal.

Anyone know of any pontiac inentives that are going around? I tried to search the net for incentives, but there's not a whole lot for pontiac, that I've found. I've heard of a new college grad discount, but I can't find anything on the net.

But doesn't it make you wonder how accurate this thing is when there are sooo many cars still "available" and yet there are sooo many dealers that supposedly don't have a clue when they will get one? I mean if the cars are there for the tagging, why haven't these yeawho dealers snagged them? Something just isn't right here?!?:confused:

It's halfway thru the Feb. consensus and the base G8's haven't budged much. There's still nearly 3000 avail. There was a flurry of activity day 1 with the GT's but since then avail. has been hovering between 300-500 every day. Why did Holden choose to build 3X Base over GT's? I wonder if there were GT manufacturing constraints.

Either the dealers aren't smart enough to adapt to this new tagging process or demand is really soft. It seems as though GM should pull the base G8's out of this silly process and make them avail. first come/first serve.

In another month or two maybe the GT's could also be first come/first serve.

It's halfway thru the Feb. consensus and the base G8's haven't budged much. There's still nearly 3000 avail. There was a flurry of activity day 1 with the GT's but since then avail. has been hovering between 300-500 every day. Why did Holden choose to build 3X Base over GT's? I wonder if there were GT manufacturing constraints.

Either the dealers aren't smart enough to adapt to this new tagging process or demand is really soft. It seems as though GM should pull the base G8's out of this silly process and make them avail. first come/first serve.

In another month or two maybe the GT's could also be first come/first serve.

Or CAFE is dictating the Base/GT ratio.

Or CAFE is dictating the Base/GT ratio.

Or is it building a pool for rental car fleets:huh:? Anyone heard anything along those lines?

I suspect that most the people itching to get the GTs are people like us. Think about it, how many here said they want a base G8? Not many. I'm guessing these are the ones that will be on the lot. If someone walks in the the dealer not even aware of the G8, chances are they wouldn't care if it had a V8.

It is first come/first served already, based on if a dealer has an allocation slot available - that much is no different than business as usual.

Dealers stock up on 4-cylinder Malibus for their direct comparison to 4-cyl Japanese competition so why they are not embracing the base G8 to compare favorably both in price and hp against the likes of Cam/cord is puzzling. But again, like we mostly all want teh GT, so too teh dealers smell larger profit on the higher end vehicle. Or they are gunshy after experiencing lackluster sales with the defunct Bonneville and the expiring Grand Prix.

It looks like I could "tag" one for my local dealer if I can find their 5 digit code. I don't think the dealers would be too pleased with the public able to "tag" these G8's but why not. ;)

I'm with one of the above posters. Someone is going to get reamed over this slip up. Now if I can just figure out my dealers 5 digit code. Wonder if it's on a service invoice I have kept. Worth a shot. I'll be a troublemaker. :)


The 5 digit dealer code is shown in small print at the bottom of EVERY GM window sticker. Just go look at one and find it.

Stopped by the dealer I've worked with for 5/6 of the last cars I've purchased. They are a Chev/Pontiac/Buick (and formerly Olds) dealer and I've have worked with the current fleet manager since he was a simple salesman, about 16 years. He has received almost NO info on ordering, tagging, anything on the G8. I took him the info posted here on the process to check for their allocation. He hadn't even been proved that by GM! They will be getting one '08 G8 to tag, but nothing in February. He said he is going Feb 19 for a dealer drive of the G8 and that is all that has come his way on the car! My guess, that would be considered just barely informed....mostly from this forum, would be if you aren't dealing with a high volume Pontiac dealer, you aren't going to see a G8 until later in the year. How much would probably depend on what kind of inventory gets built up of them. Just my take on what I've read and been told.:dunno:

When I went for a brochure last week, he said that 3 out of the 4 allocated to them were spoken for. He was afraid that there wasn't gonna be a G8 for showing to potential customers. Of course, that's just what he told me. He could have been pulling my chain.

When I went for a brochure last week, he said that 3 out of the 4 allocated to them were spoken for. He was afraid that there wasn't gonna be a G8 for showing to potential customers. Of course, that's just what he told me. He could have been pulling my chain.

Dang, even the brochures are being allocated, how much over msrp of free did they charge you for it? :gr_jest:

He's probably giving you the party line from teh GTO, when many dealers simply refused to allow test drives, for several reasons, one of which how can you expect to charge $5k over fro something that's been on teh road for even 10 miles?

Fresh meat TODAY on gminventory, this morning's totals over 3000 V6, and over 800 V8, with a TPW as ahead as 3/10/08 - which sort of changes the date for m.y. changeover.

Fresh meat TODAY on gminventory, this morning's totals over 3000 V6, and over 800 V8, with a TPW as ahead as 3/10/08 - which sort of changes the date for m.y. changeover.


I noticed the same thing. Either another boat has arrived or GM added some new inventory for the March consensus which begins today. Or maybe there were Feb. units that went back into the pool due to tagging issues.

I noticed the same thing. Either another boat has arrived or GM added some new inventory for the March consensus which begins today. Or maybe there were Feb. units that went back into the pool due to tagging issues.

Or maybe they are messing with us, knowing we can view this info?! Or maybe the system is screwed up beyond all recognition?! Or maybe it's just GM being GM, the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing?! Whatever! Just get the damn things into the dealerships and lets get on with it!:cursin:

Screwed Up Beyond All Recognition??????????? :)

Screwed Up Beyond All Recognition??????????? :)

Yeah, you know, a cleanup version of FUBAR? Sorry the old military man in me comes out every now and then!:drool:

Fresh meat TODAY on gminventory, this morning's totals over 3000 V6, and over 800 V8, with a TPW as ahead as 3/10/08 - which sort of changes the date for m.y. changeover.As of this afternoon, there are over 2400 V8's, not sure what is up.

Anyway, the 3/10/08 versions are all black and about 5 pages of them, there is a jump from 2/28/08 to 3/10/08, which doesn't make sense based on the other TPWs are sequential.

Maybe they keyed in a 3 instead of a 2?

come on GXP:popcorn2:

As of this afternoon, there are over 2400 V8's, not sure what is up.

Anyway, the 3/10/08 versions are all black and about 5 pages of them, there is a jump from 2/28/08 to 3/10/08, which doesn't make sense based on the other TPWs are sequential.

Maybe they keyed in a 3 instead of a 2?

Maybe different boats travel different knots. Fresh shipment today: over 6000 total, almost 2500 GTs, and the first 3 Stealth Blue GTs. (built in January) Get em while they're hot.

Maybe different boats travel different knots. But TPW is target production week, not when they get here on the boat.

But TPW is target production week, not when they get here on the boat.

Precisely why some 3/10 units showed up Monday, and 1/10 units today. The earlier produced units were sailing around and around (or Stealth is SO stealth they forgot where they parked them)

Maybe different boats travel different knots. Fresh shipment today: over 6000 total, almost 2500 GTs, and the first 3 Stealth Blue GTs. (built in January) Get em while they're hot.

Am I the only one that gets upset over the allocation numbers? Only 2500 of over 6000 are GTs? Does GM think they are going to sell that many base models when they are just a couple of thousand dollars cheaper than the GT? I'm getting a G8 GT or waiting for the Camaro..... No V6 for me!!!

Wow, the number of G8s at gminventory.com is sure up. There are nearly 5300 total, with over 1500 of them being GTs. That's a good sign that we should start seeing more of these cars around the country at dealers before long. Just be patient and don't pay more than MSRP!

I must say boys, it's bloody unusual to see such a fuss over a Commodore. It's actually a compliment to Australian cars. Thank you. Oh yeah, good luck with getting your cars too. They're freaking awesome value for money. Enjoy, from Down Under.

I can't wait to drive one myself, and for the manual transmission to become available. I really look forward to "driving Australian!" As long as it is a solid Pontiac with the performance that everyone claims, I will be happy to be buying my very first vehicle ever built outside the USA. Thanks to those of you working to build them for us!

they finally added the pattern # to the comments to make tagging easier. No more pattern 5, 6 or 7 in black left. (no sport package or sunroofs left in black)

1k GT's left. i think this is it for the 08's.

I must say boys, it's bloody unusual to see such a fuss over a Commodore.

You have to understand that the last time we had a decent rear wheel drive family sedan was 1996 when I bought my Impala SS. Hell yea, I am excited. No more friggin front wheel drive crap for me. Finally managment at GM is pulling their head out of their asses and giving us some hot rods. Thanks Aussies.:thumbsup:

You have to understand that the last time we had a decent rear wheel drive family sedan was 1996 when I bought my Impala SS. Hell yea, I am excited. No more friggin front wheel drive crap for me. Finally managment at GM is pulling their head out of their asses and giving us some hot rods. Thanks Aussies.:thumbsup:

I'll add to that a decent rear wheel drive sedan starting under $30K! We've had other options here in the US of course, but much more expensive.

There are like 5 Blue Stealth GT's up for tagging, get um while there hot

There are like 10 now but if you look at the spid codes, they have paint code 11u which is white and the TPW is back in November. What gives?????

Also, what are the comments GT1, 2, etc mean?:confused:

looks like I spoke too soon , still only 200 GTs added

There are like 10 now but if you look at the spid codes, they have paint code 11u which is white and the TPW is back in November. What gives?????

Also, what are the comments GT1, 2, etc mean?:confused:

package# 1 is base, 4 is premium+all seasons, 6 is sport+premium, 7 is sport, premium and sunroof. There are 7 for GT, and 4 for V6.

These package numbers should have been added when tagging first began. A lot of dealers screwed up tags not knowing option codes.:damnyou: Instead of telling my dealer I want a Black GT PDX ,PDQ with No CF5, I could have just told him Black GT package 6. My dealer was so confused , he asked me if I wanted the spoiler. I said no, just to see if I would get 1 of 12k G8's with no factory standard spoiler.

Another thing to be careful of is that a dealer needs to know what his allocation is first. They can tag a car, but if their allocation is 0, the tag will mark but not "stick" when they check it later. Be sure the dealer that is tagging "your" choice has the allocation left to do so or you may be disappointed.

Another thing to be careful of is that a dealer needs to know what his allocation is first. They can tag a car, but if their allocation is 0, the tag will mark but not "stick" when they check it later. Be sure the dealer that is tagging "your" choice has the allocation left to do so or you may be disappointed.

Good point, I'll be visiting my dealer this weekend.

Good point, I'll be visiting my dealer this weekend.

Its actually even worse than that. If there allocation is for 2 and they tag 3 the whole order is canceled. So not only do they have to have allocation, they can only order what they earned. PITA.

Thanks, mike c. My point is that, IF you THINK you have a car tagged, you really better check and double check with that dealer to make sure the car is within allocation limits AND that, unbeknownst to the dealer, hasn't been cancelled. I still have a local dealer who can't (or won't) tell me what they have on order, what they tagged, and what's coming. Needless to say, they've lost me as a potential customer. How on earth can you have a new model come out, a model that has gotten near-rave reviews from every respected professional reviewer around (even C&D liked it with their usual reservations for non-Euro cars), and not remember what you tagged? How can you expect early sales questions to be answered if you don't know if you're getting a V6 or GT? Leather or cloth? 18" or 19" wheels?

What this tells me is that these are salesmanagers ordering these cars in many cases, NOT car people. Sales people who have been promoted to promote volume, not enthusiasm for product. Sales people who see numbers, not cars. How many salesmen can answer all your questions about the car(s) you are interested in? Not very many. They are trained to sell and to close deals. They stand around looking out the windows for customers on the lot rather than learning the nit-picking details that the true gearhead might ask. Don't believe me? Ask one of them how AFM works. Ask them about the Ute or the GXP (or make up some letter combination). Bet they don't have a clue. Ask them to describe the way the A6 works in all 3 modes. Bet they don't know it HAS 3 modes. They'll first grab a brochure. Then, not finding it there, they'll send you to the service department....maybe. I've had salesmen walk away from me because they didn't want to talk about the car's features, just wanted to get me into one for a test drive. I don't ever take test drives....I do my research, read reviewers whom I trust and make my buying decision based on what I want in a car and what meets my needs. And I plan to keep the car long enough to amortize the front-end depreciation hit on a new car, so I'm pretty thorough.

If you can find a dealer who knows what they ordered (basic car sales 101), get a price commitment and a promise of first refusal if it's what you want. No MSRP, no deal. Go elsewhere. Don't bargain, just walk away without a word. Use the internet manager if you can. Stay away from the games they play with the salesman being the "good guy" and the sales manager being the "bad guy". If the salesman can't make the decision on the best price, you're in the wrong place. That's not to say he can't get approval from the sales manager for the price, but don't waste your time arguing. Tell them they have one chance to make a low bid offer, and you're going elsewhere and do the same thing to keep everyone honest. If they want to sell the car, they'll be fair. If not, walk.

Bluegoat what do you consider a fair offer for one? You do know these cars only have about 1k markup in them. Also your not going to find to many salespeople that are allowed to refuse or accept an offer on any car without checking with his or her sales manager. Poor product knowledge is inexcuseable, just ask to speak directly to the salesmanager most will come out and be very helpful, I know I would and have. To go into a dealership and tell the salesperson" you got one chance and you better make it right" in my opinion is a poor way to buy a car. Do your research and due diligence before even setting foot in a dealership. Its not hard to find the invoice price and current rebates on all the cars, and then go in and make a fair offer. Any fair and reputable dealer is actually very easy to deal with. In fact I just ( to a very good customer) sold our first G8 GT 888 #274 at GMS or GM employee price and would do the same on the other 888 I have in stock assuming the customer qualifies for that discount.
To go into a dealership with a chip on your shoulder and on the defensive usually just makes for an unpleasant trip to the dealer. Just my.02

No chip and no attitude. I just don't have time to play the game. The markup, according to the difference between the MSRP and "dealer invoice" (which does not include additional dealer incentives, etc.) on the G8 is $1,766 on a GT/premium, not $1,000. Probably over $2,000 all told. What I want is a final offer. I don't want to start at MSRP+2K and work down to MSRP. I don't want to waste an hour or two of my time dickering with a salesman who does not have the ability to make his own deal. I don't ask for test drives. I don't put miles on dealer's cars. I don't burn time and fuel. I research my car purchase and I know exactly what I want.

In short, I've found one dealer who knows me, knows I always pay cash for my cars, never trade in a car, and always (until the Holden cars) factory order my cars to spec. It shouldn't be insulting to walk in, ask for a spec sheet, spec the car out, return to several dealers with that spec sheet and ask for one, single, fair, lowest price on a cash deal. You know what you think you have to make on that sale. I'll take the low bid, but I will not spend time dickering back and forth with a salesman on price. I give several dealers the same chance, one shot, and take the best deal. They all know I'm shopping. Most don't think I'm a serious buyer, so only the dealer that knows me has won on the last 4 cars.

Why, oh, why do salesmen think they need to barter on price? I will not respond to pressure, nor do I react well to a high bid and then have it lowered. That tells me they were not fair on the first offer. It should be a simple transaction. MSRP is known. Dealer invoice is known. I don't know about the additonal dealer incentives. I do know there is no floor plan interest paid on my cars, so that is not a factor. You know what a fair profit is. Make ME an offer, not the other way around, and I'll pick the one I like. If I go in and make an offer to each of, say, 4 dealers, I'll spend all day bargaining, making counter offers, going home, getting phone calls ... I don't want it and don't need it. We aren't trying to compare different cars with different options. Same car, same options, same dealer net. Make ME an offer and I'll decide, not the other way around. If that's having an attitude, I think you may need to take another course in human relations and salesmanship. Sorry, didn't mean to sound like I don't care for car salesmen, but can you blame me? Isnt' a $2,000 profit a fair amount for less than 15 minutes worth of your time, which is just as valuable as mine? That's all the time it takes to make an offer and order the car.

GT/Premium is about $2550 once you figure the markup over invoice to MSRP and 3% holdback. Even if they sold it at invoice they're still going to make almost $900 off of you on that particular set up.

My G8 Gt had 995.00 difference between invoice and MSRP but I am 2% advertising store because of our market if I had no andverting around 1700.00 would accurate plus 3% holdback. No one should be paying over MSRP, haven't people learned.In all reality you should be able to buy one a few hundred over invoice price. Trust me salespeople don't want to barter. The price of every car is listed on the window sticker, but no one wants to pay that, they all want to barter. Anyway we could go on and on over this, no need. Unfortunately i cant change the last 100 years of sins car dealers have committed, I can only be fair and honest the ones I deal with now. You brought up a good point about the internet dept. use them. It can save a lot of time instead of running around to 4-5 dealers. Enjoy your G8 when it arrives.I have driven both models and the car is truly impressive for the money. Also, I am just curious. is price the only criteria you have for deciding on a dealership?

We need an internet only dealership. Build the car you want, select your financing, click buy. 4-6 weeks later, your car is delivered to your house. I gladly pay shipping to not have to go through what I had to to get the G8 tagged.The manufacturers should set something up so we can buy direct, and just turn dealerships into service centers.

We are pretty close to that now, problem is then everyone wants to haggle with GM directly because no matter what GM sets the pricing at everyone thinks there is wiggle room and GM will never go through that. Maybe Wal-Mart could something up (everyday low prices) lol

Maybe Wal-Mart could something up (everyday low prices) lol

Naaa, not even! I work retail and Wallie World would want to cheapen it and put their own "mark" on it.....like a Wallie 8! They ruin everything they touch, believe me!:The_Villagers:

Also, I am just curious. is price the only criteria you have for deciding on a dealership?

Of course not. There are several factors. First, I want to be treated with respect by the salespeople, not as a piece of fresh meat. I've been on dealership lots where you drive in, have trouble finding a place to park (!), finally stick your ride in the middle of a line of new/used cars and have a salesman come flying up in a golf cart to escort you to the front door or take you around to look at cars, when all I wanted to do was walk in and see if they had any G8 brochures (they didn't).

On the other hand, I went into a local dealership after work one day around 5:15PM, had to park in the aisle because there were no parking slots near the door, walked into the showroom and was totally ignored! A couple of salemen were in the cubicles working with customers, the salesmanager was (no doubt) busy, so I walked around the floor for several minutes, went over to a table and found a fresh G8 brochure, stood there with the brochure in my hand for about another minute, paging through it, trying to look interested. Finally walked out on the lot and walked the entire width, looking to see if they might just have a G8 out there somewhere. Didn't find a G8. Even walked by some late model used cars and was never greeted by even a used car salesman. I talked to one of their people later and found out that they close at 5:30PM and salesmen don't want to stay later than that to help customers! Couldn't believe it! This is the same dealer, by the way, who STILL doesn't know what they have tagged! And, yes, I did go back on the weekend to check.

Another factor is the service department. I have to trust them. I was a GM service manager back in the '80s and a GM Certified Master Technician (passed test but never worked as a line mechanic), and I've been a "gearhead" all my life. It's pretty hard to put one over on me when I take my car in for a recall or service (which is very seldom -- do most myself). I talk to the service manager, find an advisor I like and who knows cars, and always ask for the same person if I have to go in. Don't try to sell me stuff I don't need, or stuff I just did at home before bringing the car in. If they find something, call me and I'll come look at it if there's a question.

Salesmen are the same way. No pressure, don't try to sell me what you don't want on your lot, help me buy what I want when I tell you what that is. And that will be a custom order or (recently) a tagged vehicle.

Put your dealership online. Designate an "internet manager" as many have done. Respond to requests for quotations. I sent quotation requests to 3 dealerships online and have not received any reply from any of them. If you don't have the car in stock (most likely), send me an e-mail or call and tell me that. Show an interest, tell me what you can do. Don't just ignore me.

I don't mean to come across as having an attitude. I'm very easy to get along with and very reasonable. Treat me as a serious buyer, answer my questions or at least tell me you don't know the answer. Help me find the answer. As an example, the dealer I'm buying my G8 from and his service department printed me out the 5 page Service Information Document that describes in detail how AFM works when I asked them. One of several dealers I called early, I asked what G8's they had coming in. They told me the cars and told me they had no arrival date, and gave me first refusal. When they received the invoice, they called me and I went in on my lunch break. They printed out the window sticker for the tagged car, made the verbal cash price deal with no hassles, and I'm waiting for it to hit the ground next week.

I find it very strange that one dealer in four is willing to take the time (and precious little of their time) to know me and work with me with no pressure, no hassle, fair price. Three out of four have failed. Maybe my attitude stems from the three that failed and if so, I don't mean to "dis" the industry based on a small sample. Perhaps I came across a bit harsh regarding car dealers in my comments above. But I worked for one for ten years and I know how some of them work. I know the pressures to sell. I know how little most salespeople know about what they're selling. I'm also amazed at salespersons, whose survival depends on knowing their product and knowing how to deal with different personalities, who fail at both. :oldfogey:

We need an internet only dealership. Build the car you want, select your financing, click buy. 4-6 weeks later, your car is delivered to your house. I gladly pay shipping to not have to go through what I had to to get the G8 tagged.The manufacturers should set something up so we can buy direct, and just turn dealerships into service centers.


I agree 100%. When I tagged my G8 the only thing missing was a box to enter payment info. Add that and there's no need for a B&M dealer (at least for sales). The port of entry could do all the post shipment prep. and arrange for pickup or delivery.

I'd love to see GM pilot an internet only sales model.

Some GM dealerships are like going into museums. They've been there forever and look old and tired. The salemen are either hanging around the door having a cigarette or have their hands in their pockets scratching their balls. Inventory is lacking and it seems like the only business they do is fleet/internet and service.

negotiating price and trade-ins will keep that from probably never happening. Will you pay what GM sets the price at? People won't and don't do it now. Alot of dealerships look the way they do because they are coslty to operate and a good chunk of dealers right now are just getting by, this is the 3rd year of declining sales for domestic automakers. I work at a good sized BPG store 275- 325 new cars on the ground and 100 always on the way. It costs my owner about 450K per month just to stay open, people don't realize that. Just food for thought

I'm clearly no expert in selling cars, but it would seem that a disproportionately large percentage of dealers hurt themselves from their own overhead. I know all about service department overhead costs, but a lot of sales overhead is wasted money. There should be an outlet for low-overhead customers, just like fleet buyers, to purchase cars with minimal hassle -- a bid process like fleet sales. Fleet buyers don't test drive cars. They know what they want in advance, and solicit bids based on spec sheets. The profit margin per vehicle is lower due to volume, but there is no-overhead during the sales process. That's all I'm asking. If I don't want or need the "services" of a salesman, if I know my cars before ever stepping on the lot, if I simply ask for a "bid" price, then to insert a middleman in the process hurts both the customer and the dealer. The idea of an internet bid process is great for those who don't need to kick the tires and drive everything on the lot. Charge the undecided tire-kickers for the helium balloons and the streamers and the searchlight rentals and the full page competitive car ads in the newspaper, and the talking car hoods commercials on TV. (And please don't get me started on the local dealer-TV celebrity wannabe's with the gorilla suits and Superman capes). But please don't charge me for those buyers. I don't take up the dealer's time, and all I ask is the same in return.

How many people hit the lots anymore not knowing what they want, or know about the vehicles. Only those that don't have an internet connection.

How many people hit the lots anymore not knowing what they want, or know about the vehicles. Only those that don't have an internet connection.


I have to agree. In the pre-Internet days I would not know what I want until I went to the dealership. Thanks to the Internet, I know more than the average salesman and know what I want when I go to the dealership.

:iagree: Prime example would be yesterday when I visited local dealership and drove a G8 GT. Salesperson knew nothing about the car that they had had on lot for five days, sales manager was slightly more knowledgeable, but walked, very unceremoniously I might say, as soon as he realized I knew more about what was going on with the car than he did. What did I need them for except to get a copy of my DL, and hand me the keys for the test drive? Oh, and prove how ignorant they were about the vehicle!:huh:

negotiating price and trade-ins will keep that from probably never happening. Will you pay what GM sets the price at? People won't and don't do it now. Alot of dealerships look the way they do because they are coslty to operate and a good chunk of dealers right now are just getting by, this is the 3rd year of declining sales for domestic automakers. I work at a good sized BPG store 275- 325 new cars on the ground and 100 always on the way. It costs my owner about 450K per month just to stay open, people don't realize that. Just food for thought
Wasn't that the great Saturn experiment? Same price equal cars every dealership. As long as we don't have a trade to get rid of.
I'm clearly no expert in selling cars, but it would seem that a disproportionately large percentage of dealers hurt themselves from their own overhead. I know all about service department overhead costs, but a lot of sales overhead is wasted money. There should be an outlet for low-overhead customers, just like fleet buyers, to purchase cars with minimal hassle -- a bid process like fleet sales. Fleet buyers don't test drive cars. They know what they want in advance, and solicit bids based on spec sheets. The profit margin per vehicle is lower due to volume, but there is no-overhead during the sales process. That's all I'm asking. If I don't want or need the "services" of a salesman, if I know my cars before ever stepping on the lot, if I simply ask for a "bid" price, then to insert a middleman in the process hurts both the customer and the dealer. The idea of an internet bid process is great for those who don't need to kick the tires and drive everything on the lot. Charge the undecided tire-kickers for the helium balloons and the streamers and the searchlight rentals and the full page competitive car ads in the newspaper, and the talking car hoods commercials on TV. (And please don't get me started on the local dealer-TV celebrity wannabe's with the gorilla suits and Superman capes). But please don't charge me for those buyers. I don't take up the dealer's time, and all I ask is the same in return.

Usually, but not always, the internet certified sales consultant would be the one to deal with - initially via email. You'll find them listed on the dealer website. I say not always, because my preferred sales consultant who is teh online guru at the local dealer could care less for any car of a performance nature, including a Solstice GXP Coupe or G8 sport truck. He wants nothing or very little to do with any rwd Pontiac. I printed pics of the GXP and truck from teh weekend and took them in, knowing they wouldn't yet be up to speed, my guy took a look at teh truck and first words were "I hope they're not gonig to build that". But the sales manager almost drooled all over the truck pic and you can tell he'll be ready to order some up when they can.

Wow, # of 08's have dropped quite a bit

Yesterday probably started new allocation round for some dealers.

Wow, # of 08's have dropped quite a bit

Hopefully that means the '09s are on the way!:thumbsup:

Only 286 GTs now.

Yep, there are only 3247 G8s total out there right now, with only 286 G8 GTs. The demand for Base G8s seems to be pretty low, but the GTs sure seem to be moving (surprise, surprise!). I look forward to the '09s showing up too. Any word from our Aussie members about '09 production beginning yet?

Yeah, I think they errored in the Base/GT mix. My local Pontiac dealer has $5,000 sticker on their (one) GT and will deal on the base cars. I don't think they've sold any yet (of either).

Yeah, I think they errored in the Base/GT mix. My local Pontiac dealer has $5,000 sticker on their (one) GT and will deal on the base cars. I don't think they've sold any yet (of either).

Unless some idiot gets his panties in a wad, they wont sell it.

Shame on that dealer:nono:

I think we need a thread or section for poor dealership experiences!

One of the dealerships I've contacted wont leave me alone, and another wont answer any of my questions, or call me back. It's obvious I'm going to deal with the people who care about my business. BTW, I'm holding out for the 09MY........any news:cartman:

Unless some idiot gets his panties in a wad, they wont sell it.

Shame on that dealer:nono:

I think we need a thread or section for poor dealership experiences!

One of the dealerships I've contacted wont leave me alone, and another wont answer any of my questions, or call me back. It's obvious I'm going to deal with the people who care about my business. BTW, I'm holding out for the 09MY........any news:cartman:

I was originally going to buy a CTS to replace my current 04 CTScoming off lease. I told the salesman what I wanted on the car and asked him for a price quote...he tried to sell me $13K of options instead. He called a month later and said he had a car loaded with $14k of options he could sell me right away. I told him again I want a price quote on a CTs with only the options I had told him I wanted. He said I had to come in...........needless to say I never went back, and this was the dealer from which I got my 04 CTS. Really pisses me off when a dealer acts like I'm too stupid to know what games he is playing.

My G8 dealer was fine...right up front you are getting the supplier discount no problem. He ended selling 2 cars, got an Enclave for the wife as well

I wonder sometimes how the dolt salesmen and dealers stay in business.

Yeah, this same dealer did the same thing with their first shipment of GTO's back in December 2003. Had ropes around it; couldn't touch it, much less drive it. By September 2004, I purchased a new 2004 GTO for $25,300 out-the-door. At the time, I asked the salesman (who is, BTW, still there and even remembered my name 3-1/2 years later!) how many GTO's they sold from December 2003 to September 2004. "Five." I asked how many through August (before huge incentives hit). "One." Nuff said.

Just an observation. It looks like most of the GTs left to be tagged are pretty much GT1 & GT2 packages (especially for the Ignition Orange cars, where those are the only option). There are only 248 GTs out there as of this morning anyway. It looks like most dealers scooped up the fully loaded cars pretty quickly, and that there aren't many folks like me that prefer the top model without all the frills. As I watch these numbers continue to drop, it gives me hope that we'll be seeing '09s out there before long.

Just an observation. It looks like most of the GTs left to be tagged are pretty much GT1 & GT2 packages (especially for the Ignition Orange cars, where those are the only option). There are only 248 GTs out there as of this morning anyway. It looks like most dealers scooped up the fully loaded cars pretty quickly, and that there aren't many folks like me that prefer the top model without all the frills. As I watch these numbers continue to drop, it gives me hope that we'll be seeing '09s out there before long.

And I am also hoping to see '09 pricing.
Did we ever receive confirmation on
start of '09 production????
Thanks,
- Ray
Plan \ Target = buy '09 soon after they start to appear at US Dealer lots...

And I am also hoping to see '09 pricing.




How is this different than the 08 pricing?

How is this different than the 08 pricing?

Hopefully no different at all. But history and experience dictate that now that we've been hooked with under $30k starting price for the GT that it will go up (see Solstice for evidence)- how soon only Pontiac knows.

Just bring me my GXP for $36k and I'll be set:gears:

have to mod within 6 months to keep up with the Camaro boys

I have the G8 V8 and was told by both my dealer and GM that the sunroof is not available on the V8. Something about it affecting the structural integrity of the vehicle.

I have the G8 V8 and was told by both my dealer and GM that the sunroof is not available on the V8. Something about it affecting the structural integrity of the vehicle.

Total BS. Sunroofs are a factory option on all G8's.

Total BS. Sunroofs are a factory option on all G8's.

Except the 888 versions....which are all sold I believe.

I know were there are 2 888's as of Saturday still unsold. I wonder if the 5k add on has something to do with that?

#14 is in Jax at Nimnicht Pontiac at a price of $35,500...

I have to agree. In the pre-Internet days I would not know what I want until I went to the dealership. Thanks to the Internet, I know more than the average salesman and know what I want when I go to the dealership.

A lot of salesmen would benefit from looking at their company's website. I went to my Cadillac dealer and told the salesguy that I wanted a CTS with performance package, machined wheels and wood interior trim. Period.

He kept trying to sell me a $12K package of everything but the kitchen sink. I asked him for a price on the car I had spec'd.

Never got one.

He called again. Again I asked for a price on the car as I wanted it. He said "I don't think they build them that way". I said "The Cadillac web site disagrees with you."

Needless to say it turned out well, as the G8 was out by then and I ordered it instead.

Except the 888 versions....which are all sold I believe.

There's one still on the dealer's site that's 17 miles from where I live. IOM GT. #351. Listed at $31,395, which just happens to be sticker as well.

Except the 888 versions....which are all sold I believe.

Far from it. We'll never know for sure how many of the 777 G8's delivered in March were 888's, but I would put money on it only being not much more than 1/2-2/3. Which means probably anywhere from 200-300 still available.

Gunn Pontiac (http://www.gunnpontiac.com) in San Antonio has at least 2 888s. One has nasty chrome 20s on it and is marked up because of them, the other has sport and premium package and is marked $500 BELOW MSRP. They also had no issue at all letting me test drive a G8 (I didn't drive the 888 as it was inside the showroom, but another instead.)

I'm quite pleased to see a dealer doing things the right way!

As a contrast, 30 minutes before I was at Gunn I stopped by McCombs "Superior" Pontiac (http://superiorgmc.net) (also in San Antonio) where they had several G8s, including at least one 888, all marked $3000 over MSRP. I asked why so high and the salesman told me that the G8 is a "limited production special edition vehicle" and that the price would only go up on them so I'd better buy now. I told him there was no way that I'd be paying over MSRP for a car and that I knew many people (most of this board I'd say) that paid MSRP for their G8s, at which point the salesman said that whoever told me that was a liar. I then informed him that I'd be taking my business elswhere, to a dealership that didn't lie and insult my aquaintances, and that I'd be sure to make sure anyone else that values my opinion did the same.

Seems some dealers really don't get it, huh?

[URL="http://www.gunnpontiac.com"] asked why so high and the salesman told me that the G8 is a "limited production special edition vehicle" and that the price would only go up on them so I'd better buy now. Seems some dealers really don't get it, huh?

They surf the market for the dumbest of the dumb. Dumb meets dumber!

The order number the dealer gave me a month ago isn't listed on the gminventory website. Does that mean its been tagged and removed from inventory?

Thanks

The order number the dealer gave me a month ago isn't listed on the gminventory website. Does that mean its been tagged and removed from inventory?

Thanks

Good chance yes. They could not come up wit han order # qithout having tagged a vehicle.

Today's count 79 GT's remain - all cloth interiors!

The number of GTs still available may be getting small, but there will be no '09s until sometime after June. According to the dealership I am working with, the Fleet Manager talked with the GM Sales Rep today, who talked with the Pontiac Sales Rep, and the first date to order an '09 will be 01 May. The rep said the last "consensus" will be this month, April, for the '08s. So whatever is left in the pool to tag from will be it until the first of May. Good luck to all those looking for an '08!:thumbsup:

The number of GTs still available may be getting small, but there will be no '09s until sometime after June. According to the dealership I am working with, the Fleet Manager talked with the GM Sales Rep today, who talked with the Pontiac Sales Rep, and the first date to order an '09 will be 01 May. The rep said the last "consensus" will be this month, April, for the '08s. So whatever is left in the pool to tag from will be it until the first of May. Good luck to all those looking for an '08!:thumbsup:

Oh boy Oh boy, finally some usefully info on the 09's. Most dealerships dont seem to be up on the current info. Thanks for the post BBBBGXP :thumbsup:

So tagging for the 09 run begins in May?

All inbound G8's for the balance of the model year @ MSRP plus tax and tag

NO extra prep or handling fee here ever

6 untagged 08's left to tag

Bob Habbeshaw
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James-Rivard Buick Pontiac GMC
Tampa, FL

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Ya, good luck with that Bob. Only 27 GT's left to be tagged on the inventory site this morning. Slim pickins.

Any more '08's going up or is that until the 09's come out?

Any more '08's going up or is that until the 09's come out?

That's it till the 09's

1 grey 888 found in Durham NC @ University GM Superstore-asked for John Pulliam. Bought a Panther Black, Premium & Sport, Sunroof GT today from them @ supplier price - 1000.00 loyalty!

All the 08 GT's are gone :cry:

09's around the corner :thumbsup:

I don't know about gone. There's plenty around me that are sitting on dealer lots ready to be bought up.

Now, there may be no GTs that are tagged, which would of course mean that either their respective owners/dealers have them on the way or in their hands... :wiggle:

I just test drove a Black on Black Gt with out the sport package last week in Newlondon CT.

NO 2008 G8 GTs left to be tagged. Got email from my dealer today saying he finally got to tag a 2008 G8 and there weren't any GTs left. So what is out there at the dealers, or on the way, are it. GOOD HUNTING!:thumbsup:

Nimnicht Pontiac in Jacksonville Florida has two black GT's with silver pinstripe (looks good in person). FYI

I don't know about gone. There's plenty around me that are sitting on dealer lots ready to be bought up.

Now, there may be no GTs that are tagged, which would of course mean that either their respective owners/dealers have them on the way or in their hands... :wiggle:

Sorry, should have been more clear. All G8 GT's are gone on the website which is linked to at the start of this thread :wink2:

How about this, all 2008 G8 GTs are spoken for and are on their way to their new owners or dealer's lots.:thumbsup:

I can agree with that. :) :driving:

From the dealers I speak with the going rate is MSRP. Some take the incentive money, some split it with the customer and some make the deal. It appears that the dealers getting sticker or a premium over sticker have a buyers list longer than the available car list and are getting the deals at the premium price.

As is already noted here, some dealers don't get it. It is also true that some consumers don't get it. Both would be better off if they were more direct in their approach.

Market demand sets the price of the vehicle. It is that simple. If you are not willing to walk away from a deal you have no power to negotiate a better price. A Dealer should also consider the market factors. There is nothing wrong with a Dealer getting a premium because multiple buyers are willing to pay it. When supply catches up with demand the the price drops. If no one was willing to pay the premium dealers would stop asking for them.

As far as product ignorance, that is inexcusable. I don't mind paying for premium service if I get premium service. I can't stand paying for average service and getting poor service. I have enjoyed the food at Demon Dogs under the L because of the staff that used to work there. It was a great dining experience and would have been at a 200% premium. Vienna dogs on a Rosens bun, with cucumbers, onions, radioactive bright green relish, hot sport peppers, tomatoes, mustard and celery salt served with a Chicago attitude under the elevated tracks on Fullerton. Especially when some fool asked for ketchup!

The point is that a quality dealer with an educated staff and strong service department are worth every penny. A super low price from a store that has uninformed staff, poor service and reputation as the lowest prices in town ain't no bargain. Now a fair price from that quality dealer with excellant staff and a great service department is a great experience and a real bargain!

1080 2008 GT Sedans (V6) left for tagging as of this post. 5 with leather, the balance cloth. Can you say> Alamo?

I usually rent from Hertz or National.

1080 2008 GT Sedans (V6) left for tagging as of this post. 5 with leather, the balance cloth. Can you say> Alamo?

Don't mean to be picky, but isn't it 1080 BASE G8s ( I do believe all GTs are V8s)?:huh:

Correct BBBBGXP

picky, picky.
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Also look at www.pontiac.com, the lowly V6 is called simply G8 Sedan, the V8 is called G8 GT, no immediate reference that it is also a sedan.
For those just joining us, the GT's have been "gone" (for tagging) since 4/16/2008, the only thing left has been "G8 Sedan", also known as G8 Base, aka V6 G8, aka slug on market.

1 grey 888 found in Durham NC @ University GM Superstore-asked for John Pulliam. Bought a Panther Black, Premium & Sport, Sunroof GT today from them @ supplier price - 1000.00 loyalty!

Me too, but in Panther Black, same options. Did it on May 1st. I purchased it with GMS + $1000.00 OL form a dealer in Buffalo New York that only had the one G8 and it was rolled off the truck the night before.

:)

--Mike

As of this morning (maybe sooner) there are zero G8's of any flavor available for tagging. Either the dealers stepped up and grabbed the last 600 or so V6's that were there (all in cloth) or they sent them to Alamo (rental).

As of this morning (maybe sooner) there are zero G8's of any flavor available for tagging. Either the dealers stepped up and grabbed the last 600 or so V6's that were there (all in cloth) or they sent them to Alamo (rental).

We all assume you are referring to the 2008 G8s? Good to know!:thumbsup:

1080 2008 GT Sedans (V6) left for tagging as of this post. 5 with leather, the balance cloth. Can you say> Alamo?

I'm not sure if it is alamo but a rental place near JFK airport reportedly has V6's in their lot.

Just tried doing a search, nothing shows up not even V6's.

2009's on the way...

MAY SALES....... how many G8's sold in may ?... my guess 1565

MAY SALES....... how many G8's sold in may ?... my guess 1565

We will know tomorrow PM:

"The Sales and Production news release, the sales results, and the updated production schedule will be posted on this website http://investor.gm.com in the Sales and Production section at approximately 1:45 p.m. ET on June 3, 2008. "

http://www.gm.com/corporate/investor_information/sales_prod/

http://www.gm.com/corporate/investor_information/cal_events/index.jsp

Hmmm, I wasn't able to pull up any G8 info. It isn't even an option for me on the dropdown. :(

I know where 14 G8's are stuck on a rail car waiting for a locomotive if that counts. One of them is mine and it's driving me nuts.

I know where 14 G8's are stuck on a rail car waiting for a locomotive if that counts. One of them is mine and it's driving me nuts.

Been there, done that. Mine was stuck on a boat in Japan. I drove 120 miles to a dealer that had a similar car on their lot and bought it. That was 3 weeks ago. I don't think the one I ordered has gotten in yet.

My car is literally only a 5 hour drive from where I sit... If it were stuck in Japan that would be one thing... but 5 hours?!?!

My car is literally only a 5 hour drive from where I sit... If it were stuck in Japan that would be one thing... but 5 hours?!?!

Is this an 08 or 09?

Is this an 08 or 09?


2008, they originally held up the rail car because it was one car short (normally 15). We started complaining, so GM dispatched it with only 14 G8's on board. Then... the rail car broke in transit and needed to be repaired. THEN... it missed a locomotive because the locomotive that should have taken it... LEFT 5 HOURS EARLY and didn't wait (like it should have) for the repairs to be completed. Now... it sits in a rail yard waiting on another locomotive only 5 hours drive from here.

How are you getting this info? I didn't think the dealer got an information from GM on where the car was once they were ordered.

How are you getting this info? I didn't think the dealer got an information from GM on where the car was once they were ordered.


Let me answer your question, with a question... do you honestly believe in this day and age that nobody knows the location of a tangible asset? especially 14 of them worth approximately $420,000.00 retail?

Your's is a good question and I agree.

I'm sure GM knows... from what I've read here previously, the dealers proclaimed they have no idea when the car is going to get there or where it is in the supply pipeline.

There is a dealer in Fairless Hills, PA. That has a red Gt and an orange Gt on their lot .06/06/08

How many GXPs were built?

MRB

How many GXPs were built?

MRB


Bump?

What is the purpose of this site? It's cars that are on the way or will be at some point that dealers haven't bought off GM yet or something?

I have a black G8 sunroof in the garage nice and shiny!