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: G8 Coupe?


LSX Performance
02-01-2008, 05:54 PM
Are there any plans for a G8 Coupe?

DarkG8GT
02-01-2008, 05:58 PM
Um no that would have been a GTO but due to CAFE most of everything is put on hold except for the upcoming Chevy Camaro, G8 ST (sport truck) GMC ST.

chiefpontiac
02-01-2008, 07:17 PM
Uh, actually yes. There is a coupe version and a convertible -they're called Camaro. :judge: Enough of a shared architecture for me. Just rebadge it.

STex
02-02-2008, 07:12 AM
Well no, camero not a GTO...A 2dr, hardtop please, off the G8 would be GTO (old or new) size while the camero will be camero size....The above post is most likely correct and there will not be a G8 2dr...shame because a full size G8 2dr hardtop would be nice...that is why a lot of us 2dr hardtop people bought GTOs in the 60-70s, more room than the tight fitting camero (old or new)...

chiefpontiac
02-02-2008, 08:52 AM
A full-sized coupe off of a full-sized G8 would not be a GTO. A GTO has to be from a mid-sized vehicle, not full-sized. Go back to the LeMans roots, all the up through and including Monaro. Now please explain to me which years of GTO were wholly based on Bonneville/Catalina, even GrandPrix. Not a one I recall. The Camaro is using the rear diff and all four corners suspension straight from the G8 even though it is smaller, but not by much. See, even the new Camaro is too big for its britches, being large car-based and not even using CTS architecture which would have made more sense. If the next-gen G6 would have been able to become rwd, then a new GTO would be in the works. Since it is not, the closest thing to it currently is the CTS coupe.

I do agree that a coupe version, even a retractable hardtop, of the G8 would create sales. But with the excess weight and shortness of power (you'll never see factory 550hp as in CTS-V in a Pontiac) how street competitive can it be?

Ramsesiii
02-02-2008, 09:19 AM
If the next-gen G6 would have been able to become rwd, then a new GTO would be in the works. Since it is not, the closest thing to it currently is the CTS coupe.


What are you talking about, the alpha platform is NOT on hold. There have been no announcements of the Alpha platform being put on hold, just the ZETA cars like the GTO and Impala.

G6 RWD would not be on the ZETA platform, it would be on Alpha, which is still being developed.

chiefpontiac
02-02-2008, 10:56 AM
RWD G6 was rumored to be from the Holden Torano (concept), maybe that's Alpha, maybe not - but what's coming in Q1 2009 is called by Pontiac a "refresh" of the G6 - that does not sound like a switch to RWD. Keep in mind the directive from on high that any replacement vehicle must achieve better mpg. And the Torano in the same breath was being shopped around for the basis of a GTO-like vehicle. Also there were recent reports that Alpha will only be Chevy and Caddy, that Pontiac and Buick would be out in the dark. Sure Alpha is supposed to use some Zeta parts, but also Kappa.

I would like to see the switch to rwd/awd for the G6 which would truly make it a world car - but if it pulls sales form Malibu it would be headed for trouble.

Sorry for the feathers I've ruffled, its just that this old bird has ingrained that certain cars should be certain sizes, and a GTO the size of a small pickup (ute) seems too large to me. So also the new Camaro seems to me to be XL when it should be M.

Ramsesiii
02-02-2008, 02:05 PM
Well that is because 2009 was never the official slating for the new G6 RWD platform to begin with. The Torana was rumored to be a Cadillac by some, and the G6 by others. Most sources seem to be leaning toward Cadillac for some reason, but that doesnt mean anything.

Anyways, most sources agree that the RWD G6 isn't a next generation release, but the next after that in the neighborhood of 2013, or 2011 as a 2012 model. I dont think there was ever any concrete evidence supporting a 2009 arrival for the RWD G6, its just not enough time to prepare the platform with the Torana on it, then the conversion by Pontiac engineers.

It may not be coming soon, but sources indicate that it indeed will be coming.

STex
02-02-2008, 03:20 PM
^^^^ yes the GTO was off the Lemans but they retained the full size and the lemans 4r was close to the g8...I am looking for my 67,69 and 72 GTO specs but the wheel base was around 113" and length about that of g8 with inside volume closer to g8...the camero will be off the g8 frame but not the size of the g8 or old goats...

.I am just saying I would like a full size hardtop out of the g8 and it would be more like the GTOs Check this out for size...room for 4 and ice chest http://ultimategto.com/cgi-bin/showcar.cgi?type=dream&line=1186975731&pic=/1967/67_00175_3

STex
02-02-2008, 03:30 PM
Found the 67 GTO length etc..specs:

Length (in) Width (in) Height (in) Wheelbase (in) TrackF (in) TrackR (in)
206.6 74.7 53.7 115.0 58.0 59.0

Yep and I understand there will not be a large hardtop off the g8...just wishing..
here is the site for the old goat sizes... http://ultimategto.com/cgi-bin/statsexplorer.cgi?year=all&f1=dimensions

DarkG8GT
02-02-2008, 10:08 PM
A full-sized coupe off of a full-sized G8 would not be a GTO. A GTO has to be from a mid-sized vehicle, not full-sized. Go back to the LeMans roots, all the up through and including Monaro. Now please explain to me which years of GTO were wholly based on Bonneville/Catalina, even GrandPrix. Not a one I recall. The Camaro is using the rear diff and all four corners suspension straight from the G8 even though it is smaller, but not by much. See, even the new Camaro is too big for its britches, being large car-based and not even using CTS architecture which would have made more sense. If the next-gen G6 would have been able to become rwd, then a new GTO would be in the works. Since it is not, the closest thing to it currently is the CTS coupe.

I do agree that a coupe version, even a retractable hardtop, of the G8 would create sales. But with the excess weight and shortness of power (you'll never see factory 550hp as in CTS-V in a Pontiac) how street competitive can it be?

The CTS (Sigma platform) chassis is more expensive than the Zeta platform. Besides now Cadillac has decided to fix the rear diff problem there where recalling for seal leaks.

redoctober
06-29-2008, 01:51 PM
Mmmm, perhaps.

http://jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2008/02/gto_new_holden_coupe_60.jpg
http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/car-photos/holden-coupe-60-7-big.jpg

-Rob.

JTSnooks
06-29-2008, 02:29 PM
A little bit late there, but it would be amazing if they did make it.

Wm Holden
06-29-2008, 03:33 PM
Holden Coupe 60 reveal video....


http://frame.revver.com/frame/500x390/715619.jpg (http://revver.com/video/715619/affiliate/101019/coupe-60-holden-in-wide-screen-aspect/?action=view&current=coupe-60-holden-in-wide-screen-aspect)

lonewolfz28
06-29-2008, 04:14 PM
Put a front clip on it that looks similar to the '78 Trans Am and release it as the new Firebird Trans Am to compete with the Camaro, Challenger and Mustang.

Too bad word around is they killed it.:(

JTSnooks
06-29-2008, 07:25 PM
Put a front clip on it that looks similar to the '78 Trans Am and release it as the new Firebird Trans Am to compete with the Camaro, Challenger and Mustang.

Too bad word around is they killed it.:(

Seems to me they're not going to release it for a few years. They've already got the sedan, ute, and wagon in Australia, so they probably won't release a coupe for 3-4 years. They're already running at full capacity at the plant, so no need to release another version until demand falls off or capacity increases.

lonewolfz28
06-29-2008, 08:45 PM
Seems to me they're not going to release it for a few years. They've already got the sedan, ute, and wagon in Australia, so they probably won't release a coupe for 3-4 years. They're already running at full capacity at the plant, so no need to release another version until demand falls off or capacity increases.

Which would be about 3-4 yrs late as far as I'm concerned.:(

With the CAFE standards that are coming around, it seems like it's now or never if you're going to release one last muscle car. I get the impression that due to the length of model life cycles, the next generation of performance cars are going to be on an entirely different branch of evolution.

G8Benny
06-29-2008, 09:50 PM
Is that an oil cooler/ tranny cooler (picture of coupe)? Does our G8 Gt's have this under the bumper? The car has an awsome cooling system and I don't see a need for an oil cooler until some serious mods are done (maybe not even then) but as I have read that they use these things for towing often in the land down under, maybe a tranny cooler is a good idea.

G8Benny
06-29-2008, 10:01 PM
Too bad word around is they killed it.:([/QUOTE]

Maybe killed for NOW. With the platform already done, just wait! Consumers will buy many G8 GT's and GXP. Sending a clear signal that we want fun to drive, powerful (yes the V6 is a mistake in a 4000lb car) RWD or AWD cars with high displacement V8's.

I mean, Ford seems to sell lots (don't know figures) of Mustangs and this is NOW a dated looking coupe. I have driven many of them and really enjoy driving the car but it does look old at this point with so many of them on the road.

Anyway, GM can and will restart the Camaro project if enough of us want it. Then get this ride into production super fast. I would not even put it past GM that they are killing the project only to gain more consumer interest when it starts up again at an auto show near you!

Razz
07-04-2008, 02:09 PM
Doesn't the GXP come in a 2 door?

LSX Performance
07-04-2008, 03:20 PM
Doesn't the GXP come in a 2 door?

Not yet....

lonewolfz28
07-04-2008, 06:21 PM
Maybe killed for NOW. With the platform already done, just wait! Consumers will buy many G8 GT's and GXP. Sending a clear signal that we want fun to drive, powerful (yes the V6 is a mistake in a 4000lb car) RWD or AWD cars with high displacement V8's.

I mean, Ford seems to sell lots (don't know figures) of Mustangs and this is NOW a dated looking coupe. I have driven many of them and really enjoy driving the car but it does look old at this point with so many of them on the road.

Anyway, GM can and will restart the Camaro project if enough of us want it. Then get this ride into production super fast. I would not even put it past GM that they are killing the project only to gain more consumer interest when it starts up again at an auto show near you!
They didn't kill the Camaro. They killed the idea of producing the Coupe 60. Two different cars.:wink2:

GRRRR8
07-04-2008, 06:29 PM
The Camaro and G8 will be on the same platform. They will be made in Canada. For all practical purposes the Camaro is a rebodied 2 dr G8

lonewolfz28
07-04-2008, 08:31 PM
The Camaro and G8 will be on the same platform. They will be made in Canada. For all practical purposes the Camaro is a rebodied 2 dr G8

Same platform, but not the same car. That's like saying the Dodge Magnum and Charger are the same car.:wink2:

Camaro wheelbase 110"
G8 wheelbase 114.8"
Holden Coupe 60 wheelbase is the same as the sedan: http://www.automobilemag.com/new_and_future_cars/2008/0802_2008_holden_coupe_60_concept/index.html

Camaro two door sport coupe
G8 four door sport sedan
Holden Coupe 60 two door sport coupe <- Got me there


http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a295/lonewolfz28/holden_coupe_60_conceptfront_three_.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a295/lonewolfz28/Z28ring2.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a295/lonewolfz28/08pontiacg8actr34500.jpg

I don't think of any of them as the same car. Related...yes. But the same...no.:wink2:

GRRRR8
07-04-2008, 08:36 PM
My arch rival has spoken. LOL Yes, u are correct. I said it, mark the calender. If u look from the bottom of the car they are "basically" the same except for 4 inches. Now to my wife this is a "big" difference. LOL

lonewolfz28
07-04-2008, 09:02 PM
My arch rival has spoken. LOL Yes, u are correct. I said it, mark the calender. If u look from the bottom of the car they are "basically" the same except for 4 inches. Now to my wife this is a "big" difference. LOL

And who says size doesn't matter. :laugh:

GRRRR8
07-04-2008, 09:06 PM
LOL! I am glad we can be socialable. Just a bad start thats all. How goes the house?

lonewolfz28
07-04-2008, 10:16 PM
LOL! I am glad we can be socialable. Just a bad start thats all. How goes the house?

Saving money for it every day. Still looking for the right piece of land though.:( One of several right "pieces" I'm still looking for.:laugh: That whole size thing again. :rofl: Tiny women not real fond of 300# men.:whine:

You beat that '08 'Vette yet?:):driving:

GRRRR8
07-04-2008, 10:26 PM
Hey I,m 6'3 230. As u know a bit opinionated. lol But I found a keeper almost 17 years ago. Why she puts up with me and my car obsession I'll never know. Yes. Muliple 08 vette owners are perplexed about this red 4 dr. It reminds me of when I was in school, "Charlie does not play well with others". I guess somethings never change. I guess it to could be a size thing, with the 4 doors and all. LOL