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TriShield
02-01-2008, 11:34 PM
Is Pontiac Back?

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Pontiac G8 GT will carry a base price of $29,995.

By Ed Hellwig, Senior Editor
Date posted: 01-31-2008

Now that the Grand Prix has faded into front-wheel-drive oblivion, it's up to the 2008 Pontiac G8 to restore a little legitimacy to Pontiac's performance reputation. There's a good chance it will succeed, as the G8 is a real American muscle sedan with rear-wheel drive and the power of a V8.

The G8 started out life in Australia as the Holden Commodore, but Pontiac tells us that the G8 was part of the plan all along. The transformation has done some good, as the 2008 Pontiac G8 is a far more chiseled-looking sport sedan than its Australian cousin. It uses all the traditional Pontiac design cues, but this time they look purposeful instead of merely tacked on.

Proper Power Under the Hood

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Its 6.0-liter all-aluminum V8 is rated at 361 hp and 385 lb-ft of torque.

There wouldn't be much to talk about if the G8 was just another V6-powered family sedan, so Pontiac did itself a favor and made sure that a V8 is on the options list. If you order the big engine, it's called the G8 GT.

A 6.0-liter L76 V8 powers the G8 GT. It's an aluminum-block V8 shared with several of GM's full-size trucks and SUVs, although the G8 engine doesn't get variable valve timing like the trucks. This doesn't put a damper on its performance, as the G8's 6.0-liter still delivers 361 horsepower at 5,300 rpm and 385 pound-feet of torque at 4,400 rpm.

It's hooked to GM's 6L80 six-speed automatic transmission, the same gearbox used in the Cadillac STS-V and Chevrolet Corvette. At this time there are no plans to offer a manual transmission for the 2008 Pontiac G8 GT.

Between the wide-ratio 6L80 transmission, the V8's Active Fuel Management system and the G8's tall, 2.92:1 rear-end gear, Pontiac says the GT will have EPA ratings of 15 mpg city/24 mpg highway. When you take into account its sizable 19-gallon fuel capacity, the GT will go more than 420 miles on a single tank.

Not bad, considering that Pontiac also says the G8 GT will do zero to 60 mph in just 5.3 seconds and run the quarter-mile in 13.8 seconds at 101 mph. That's quicker than the last Dodge Charger SRT8 we tested from zero to 60. Needless to say, adding a shorter rear-end gear would probably get the 3,995-pound G8 GT to 60 mph in less than 5 seconds, especially with the car's standard limited-slip differential to put down the power.

If all-out performance isn't your priority, there's a V6-powered base model, too. It gets GM's 3.6-liter LY6 V6, an engine that's also used in the Cadillac CTS and Saturn Aura. It's rated at 256 hp at 6,300 rpm and 248 at 2,100 rpm and is matched with GM's 5L40 five-speed automatic.

It may not have the burly sound of the bigger V8, but the base G8 still delivers some decent numbers, according to Pontiac. A 7.0-second 0-60-mph time isn't bad and a 15.2-second run at 91 mph in the quarter-mile keeps it competitive with most other full-size sedans. Mileage is only slightly better than the V8, with EPA estimates of 17 mpg city/25 mpg highway.

18s for Everybody

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Eighteen-inch wheels and tires are standard. This car wears the optional 19-inch summer rubber.

In order to handle all that power, the 2008 Pontiac G8 features multilink independent rear suspension with progressive rate springs, while MacPherson struts are used up front. Pontiac says this is an FE2 calibration, GM-speak for a kind of midlevel, slightly sporty setup. All G8s will come with this setup as standard equipment. Pontiac says the G8 has a nearly 50 percent front/50 percent rear weight balance with a driver and two passengers in the car.

All G8s get 18-inch wheels that are 8-inches wide rims. The base model has split five-spoke cast-aluminum wheels wearing 245/45R18 all-season tires. GT's get solid five-spoke wheels with machined-aluminum faces and 245/45R18 summer performance tires. An optional Sport package for the GT adds 19-inch wheels and 245/40R19 summer performance tires.

The standard four-wheel disc brakes feature ABS, ventilated rotors and twin-piston calipers up front and single pistons in back. Oddly enough, the rear rotors are larger in diameter than the fronts. The base G8 has 11.9-inch rotors in back and 11.7-inch rotors in front. The GT gets 12.8-inch rotors in back and 12.6-inch discs in front. Traction and stability control are standard.

An American-Size Sedan

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Small rear spoiler and four exhaust tips are standard on the G8 GT. V6 models get the spoiler and two pipes.

At 196.1 inches in overall length, the 2008 Pontiac G8 is about 4 inches longer than a Dodge Charger, but it rides on a 5-inch-shorter wheelbase of 114.8 inches. The two sedans are within an inch of each other in width and height.

Inside, the G8's interior is nearly as spacious as that of the Charger. There's more front legroom in the Pontiac and less than an inch of difference when it comes to rear legroom. Hip- and shoulder room are within an inch of each other, both front and rear. The G8 also features a monstrously large 17.5-cubic-foot trunk with a standard rear seat pass-through.

Bench Seat Is Not an Option

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The center stack is topped by two digital gauges for volts and oil pressure.

Pontiac is positioning the G8 as a premium sport sedan, so the interior is fitted with more features than you might expect. Every G8 gets power-adjustable bucket seats for the driver and front passenger, a tilt-and-telescoping steering wheel, full instrumentation including an oil temperature gauge, and a trip computer.

On the entertainment side, the base G8 gets a seven-speaker Blaupunkt audio system with single-disc CD changer, 5-inch multifunctional visual display and an auxiliary music player input. The upgraded system that's standard on the GT adds a six-disc CD changer and a 230-watt amplifier for its 11 speakers. An optional comfort-and-sound package for the base model adds the enhanced Blaupunkt system along with dual-zone climate control that comes standard on the GT.

There's a premium package on both the base G8 and the GT that adds leather upholstery and six-way power adjustment for the driver and front passenger seats. Pontiac also manages to get heated seats added to the premium package — an option doesn't exist on the Australian model. And in addition to the usual black-and-gray interior colors, the G8 GT offers gray with red inserts on both the cloth and leather interiors. There are six exterior colors: black, blue, gray, orange, red and white.

Is Pontiac Back?

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There is no redline on the tachometer, but the V8's rev limiter is set at 6,000 rpm.

Not quite. It'll be a long time before Pontiac is considered a serious player on the performance scene again, what with the Torrent in the lineup and all. Replacing the forgettable Grand Prix with the 2008 Pontiac G8 should help earn back a little respect, however, as it appears to offer a solid rear-wheel-drive package at an attainable price.

The base G8 starts at $27,595, while the GT scrapes the $30K barrier at $29,995. Not cheap, but name another V8 sedan that will run mid-13s in the quarter-mile, return 24 mpg on the highway and swallow five suitcases for $30 grand. Yeah, Pontiac may be back after all.

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TriShield
02-01-2008, 11:35 PM
1984 Ferrari 308 or 2008 Pontiac G8 GT

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Which would you pick?

After time spent behind the wheel of this red 2008 Pontiac G8 GT I know which one I'd choose. But which would you drive home? Stupid question? Not really. A 2008 Pontiac G8 GT will soon be joining our long-term fleet, which means this tough choice will become a daily event around here.

Would you drive the 362-horsepower sedan and enjoy its modern amenities or would you take the aging exotic that's still a thrill? The Pontiac will obviously outperform the less powerful Italian but the Ferrari is never dull. Decisions. Decisions.

Which would you pick?

Scott Oldham, Inside Line Editor in Chief

Posted by Scott Jan 28, 2008 11:07 am

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need4spd
02-01-2008, 11:56 PM
Thanks for the post, it was ignored here:

http://www.g8board.com/forums/showthread.php?t=904

BBBBGXP
02-02-2008, 01:22 AM
Saw 'em both! Good articles! Nice to see some real attention, next comes the national rags!:boink:

tjccpa
03-07-2008, 11:30 AM
USA Today (Friday Mar 7) has another great review of the G8

Here is the link:

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/reviews/healey/2008-03-06-pontiac-g8_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

Attorneyguy
03-07-2008, 01:04 PM
I would characterize it as a "very good" review of the G8 rather than "great."

tjccpa
03-07-2008, 01:28 PM
I would characterize it as a "very good" review of the G8 rather than "great."


Just like my real life. A CPA and an Attorney arguing over how each of us defines a word.

Attorneyguy
03-07-2008, 01:30 PM
I just thought they were looking down on Pontiac. At least that was the tone. At the same time, though, they WERE forced to acknowledge the quality of the Pontiac product.

need4spd
03-07-2008, 01:38 PM
Live chat at USA today (started at 2pm) with the author:

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/reviews/healey/2008-03-06-pontiac-g8_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

rayainsw
03-07-2008, 01:53 PM
"The V-8's six-speed automatic also has a manual-shift mode. With both, you push the lever away from you to enter manual mode, which seems less handy than pulling it toward you, and the dash indicator showing the gear you're in is too small to read easily."

This has been 1 of my concerns.
I am used to seeing a good sized & easily read display
of the gear selected in my HUD.
Anyone have a picture?
New owners ( 2 on this board, as of today ??? )
Thanks,
- Ray
Size matters...

Dovi
03-07-2008, 02:43 PM
I do agree that pulling the shifter toward me would "feel" better but its not so bad. I am used to paddle shifters from my GP anyway so it would have been a transition regardless of which direction i moved the lever.

Here are some pics of the display, it is a bit small and will be a large adjustment for those of us used to having a HUD but i can read it just fine and i could use a trip to the laser eye doctor so i think they are just nitpicking because its an American car and they had to find SOMETHING... The first one is a little blurry but that is the camera not the display. Thats about the way i see it with my eyes being as bad as they are and i can still read it.

http://g8board.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=422&stc=1&d=1204924498
http://g8board.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=423&stc=1&d=1204924498

rayainsw
03-07-2008, 02:52 PM
Here are some pics of the display, it is a bit small and will be a large adjustment for those of us used to having a HUD but i can read it just fine and i could use a trip to the laser eye doctor so i think they are just nitpicking because its an American car and they had to find SOMETHING... The first one is a little blurry but that is the camera not the display. Thats about the way i see it with my eyes being as bad as they are and i can still read it.

http://g8board.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=409&stc=1&d=1204922693
http://g8board.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=410&stc=1&d=1204922820

I only see the dreaded 'red x' - not images.
I have seen a number of pictures of the DIC -
just not one with the gear selected display...
Thanks,
- Ray
Still waiting for one to magically appear here near Atlanta...

Rt66er
03-07-2008, 03:38 PM
Attended the local auto show here in Oklahoma City today and, much to my surprise, there was a black G8 GT (with sport and premium)! Since it was early (and the weather here is not the greatest right now) there were almost no people at the show. Me and two other guys took advantage and climbed all over that puppy. Very nice looking (and substantial) car from the outside. Somewhat disappointed about some interior bits. Primarily the lower door panels. They appear to be made of the same quality plastic as my 2001 Firebird; that's to say, not great. This cars' lower door panel was already scratched and scuffed and really looked bad. Also, when the door closed, it did not sound solid at all. The window was down, and it kinda rattled a bit when closed. Of course I realize that to charge $30K for a car like this there must be some compromises somewhere. I will definitely pursue a test drive (when they actually start letting people test drive them).

Couple of interesting notes:

One of the guys hanging around the G8 works for the local National Car Rental agency, and he said they have 5 G8's coming for local market TO RENT! 2 GT and 3 V6. Pretty amazed at that.

Also, I popped off and told someone that there was no spare tire (as this was a GT with Sport Package 19-inch wheels). The Pontiac spokesman then promptly pulled up the cover in the truck and, lo and behold, there was a full-size temporary spare in there! I asked them to excuse me while I removed my foot from my mouth.

Dovi
03-07-2008, 03:46 PM
I get no rattle at all when closing the doors and a VERY satisfying thump with minimal effort on all four doors. I will agree that the plastic on the doors is lower grade than i would like though.

There is no spare in my trunk, just some big styrofoam thing and either an air compressor or a battery charger.. i havent really looked yet.

mikemaj82
03-07-2008, 05:17 PM
Very nice. Everyone has high hopes for the G8, I hope it does well.

LSX Performance
03-08-2008, 03:25 PM
Does anyone know if the 08 G8 GT has an option for Navigation?

GigaHz
03-08-2008, 03:32 PM
No Navigation

LSX Performance
03-08-2008, 03:54 PM
Will it come with NAV in 09?

GigaHz
03-08-2008, 04:29 PM
With the info we have now is still no, but we can still hope.

baabootoo
03-09-2008, 12:21 AM
A spare, yessssss!