First off, color lineup for 2009:

#11-White Hot
#17-Maverick Silver (NEW)
#18-Magnetic Gray (n/a on GXP)
#26-Sport Red (NEW)
#39-Stryker Blue (NEW)
#62-Liquid Red
#64-Karma Metallic (NEW)
#80-Panther Black

#25-Stealth Blue and #77 Ignition Orange appear to be out, so if you want either of those two colors you'll have to act fast.

Same interior codes as 2008. The GXP will only come in leather but shows the same codes as the others. Guess there might be special sticking or embossing.

The GXP will have specific 19" polished WHeels with the Summer tires or a new All-Season tire in the same size.

All three models are showing the XM code of U2K and the Bluetooth code.

GXP will be the only one offering a 6-speed manual it looks like.

GXP will have it's own FE3 High Performance Suspension and different rear axle ratios. It shows two possibilitites. a 3.70 and a 3.27.

No word yet on engine option with GXP. Stay tuned.

What GM vehicles currently offer Bluetooth?

GM said it wants all bluetooth by 2009. So I'm guessing that the 09 will have blue tooth. As for the GXP info, its lookin good so far...

Saweet!

Although I was digging the Magnetic Gray. :(

First off, color lineup for 2009:

#11-White Hot
#17-Maverick Silver (NEW)
#18-Magnetic Gray (n/a on GXP)
#26-Sport Red (NEW)
#39-Stryker Blue (NEW)
#62-Liquid Red
#64-Karma Metallic (NEW)
#80-Panther Black

#25-Stealth Blue and #77 Ignition Orange appear to be out, so if you want either of those two colors you'll have to act fast.

Same interior codes as 2008. The GXP will only come in leather but shows the same codes as the others. Guess there might be special sticking or embossing.

The GXP will have specific 19" polished WHeels with the Summer tires or a new All-Season tire in the same size.

All three models are showing the XM code of U2K and the Bluetooth code.

GXP will be the only one offering a 6-speed manual it looks like.

GXP will have it's own FE3 High Performance Suspension and different rear axle ratios. It shows two possibilitites. a 3.70 and a 3.27.

No word yet on engine option with GXP. Stay tuned.

I cant wait to see these new colors. #64-Karma Metallic, #39-Stryker Blue and #17-Maverick Silver sound promissing. and the 3.70 rear axle diff:drool:, finally GM is hooking the cars up like they should be.

I want some paddle shifters and HUD, and how bout one of the 85% of your roof - sunroofs like the CTS and SRX.

Thanks for the info achieftain. Any production dates?

Karma is a dark gray blue. It is in another thread.

Hey this should be in the News. If this ain't news worthy what is?

Just wondering where did this info came from?

Appreciate the info...
- Ray

Damn, it's a shame to hear that Ignition Orange will be out. I love those type of colors, but they never seem to offer them on a model when I am ready to buy! I guess I will just have to hope that the Sport Red is more of a burgundy color, and that will be my next choice. I also really wish that they would offer a taupe or tan interior option, or at least light grey. I hate dark interiors! I won't be too picky about the color issues though as long as I can have a 6-speed manual transmission. I don't even really care if it comes on an L76 to be honest (although I'd love to have a little more HP, like 400+ stock). Now I will have to decide if I will shoot for a late model '09, or an early model '10 G8 GXP. Maybe I'll just wait to find out what changes we can anticipate for '10, and then pick. I will be patient, but I'll still probably check in here everyday until then!

Thanks for the info and I wonder if they will offer 19" wheels with all seasons on the GT.

Too bad if Ignition goes away. I like that color. I also like Holden's Atomic (vivid green).

Two different axle options available on the GXP or is it one ratio for the auto and one ration for the M6?

I seriously can't believe they are not going to offer the M6 in a GT

Karma is a dark gray blue. It is in another thread.


Does anyone have the link for the Karma Metallic? I could not find it?

Help please, dark grey blue sounds like a cool color.....


:popcorn2:

Two different axle options available on the GXP or is it one ratio for the auto and one ration for the M6?

I seriously can't believe they are not going to offer the M6 in a GT

I am betting that it is the latter option on the ratios.

By them only offering the M6 on the GXP, I am betting that it has a different engine. That way, they only are certifying three different options rather than four (auto GT, auto GXP, M6 GXP) considering the most likely low production numbers of M6 cars. Also, GXP buyers are most likely going to be more serious about the performance of their car vs. GT buyers.

Chip

Does anyone have the link for the Karma Metallic? I could not find it?

Help please, dark grey blue sounds like a cool color.....


:popcorn2:

http://www.g8board.com/forums/showthread.php?t=693--There were some pics posted in that thread.

This is music to my ears :turbonaughtdy_1: Thanks for the info !!!

I just want to know when is the date certain I can get my hands on a GXP?!

Just wondering where did this info came from?

From GM, via orderbook, compliments of a dealer I know and trust.

Two different axle options available on the GXP or is it one ratio for the auto and one ration for the M6?

I seriously can't believe they are not going to offer the M6 in a GT

Ambiguos at this point. Just has two different ratios listed. There may not be a choice - that's how it is with Solstice, one ratio for base, one for GXP. But probably here one ratio for M6, one for A6. We're not even sure if they will offer an A6 in the GXP at this point, possibly only manual - too early to tell.

If they already have this information to the dealer, then it must be close to production?

Great news! Wasn't second quarter production date for '09s being bandied about here earlier today or yesterday?:huh:

see below

If '09 GXP is already defined with rear end ratios and M6 then there's almost no chance of any engine option other then L76 or a modified L76.

Anything other then L76 would have to come much later then '09 IMHO. Different powertrains represent a major development effort even if those engines already exist in other lineups.

According to GMI, there's an "about face" in development effort around RWD and V8's. The new CAFE standards are job 1 at GM and absorbing every R&D dollar out there. (ex: cancelled Impala RWD pgm)

Maybe Holden has some LS* project in the works for the G8/VE but it won't last for long if it's consuming much in R&D resources.

Enjoy these G8's while you can because the pgm will likely be limited in volume and will likely end in a few years.

Does anyone know if the Stryker Blue will be like the Impulse Blue on the GTO?

Wow, get me my GXP quick. Hurry before they CAFE it.

Thanks for the info and I wonder if they will offer 19" wheels with all seasons on the GT.

Canadian G8's will get standard all seasons. They were talking about switching the standard tires to all seasons on the GT in the US. My guess would be so and leave the 'summer' tires to the GXP.

If '09 GXP is already defined with rear end ratios and M6 then there's almost no chance of any engine option other then L76 or a modified L76.

Anything other then L76 would have to come much later then '09 IMHO. Different powertrains represent a major development effort even if those engines already exist in other lineups.

According to GMI, there's an "about face" in development effort around RWD and V8's. The new CAFE standards are job 1 at GM and absorbing every R&D dollar out there. (ex: cancelled Impala RWD pgm)

Maybe Holden has some LS* project in the works for the G8/VE but it won't last for long if it's consuming much in R&D resources.

Enjoy these G8's while you can because the pgm will likely be limited in volume and will likely end in a few years.


Holden already have the HSVs running LS2, with an update supposedly due this year (mag article) to LS3? not sure if its LS3 but I think so, with begging going on to get the LS9? (7 litre anyway) into the GTS.
But I believe the LS3 is supposed to be the straight swap for the LS2, is that 6.2lt over 6.0.

They have LSn engine coming in for HSV doesn't sound too impossible to get a few more to show in GXPs. Total spec on my account but heres hoping.

They have LSn engine coming in for HSV doesn't sound too impossible to get a few more to show in GXPs. Total spec on my account but heres hoping.

Its physically possible. But it will take away their average fuel efficiency.

Does anyone know if the Stryker Blue will be like the Impulse Blue on the GTO?

I will have a stab at it and say it is the colour voodoo in the colors thread

Does anyone know if the Stryker Blue will be like the Impulse Blue on the GTO?

It appears so in the colors thread.

I am betting that it is the latter option on the ratios.

By them only offering the M6 on the GXP, I am betting that it has a different engine. That way, they only are certifying three different options rather than four (auto GT, auto GXP, M6 GXP) considering the most likely low production numbers of M6 cars. Also, GXP buyers are most likely going to be more serious about the performance of their car vs. GT buyers.

Chip

or an v6 auto, GT auto, GT M6, GXP auto and a GXP M6 (assuming the GXP is going to have a different engine).

I really can not see them producing the LS3 for the Corvette only, since it's not going to go into any new trucks, the CTS-V isn't going to use it, what's left the G8 and Camaro.

Does anyone know if #26 Sport Red looks like Passion from the Colors post. If so, I can live with that, especially if they allow red seat inserts with it.

I really can not see them producing the LS3 for the Corvette only, since it's not going to go into any new trucks, the CTS-V isn't going to use it, what's left the G8 and Camaro.


I agree. It sounds like Holden has probably done the R&D on this option and the switch to the LS3 would be fairly straight forward. To further tmoneyr007's point, it would make financial sense for GM to spread the cost of the higher-output engine across several models instead of just the Corvette.

IMO, they can get away with (and the public will accept) offering limited-edition cars with lower fuel economy for at least few more years, especially with existing powertrains such as the LS3, LS7, etc. CAFE will snuff them out soon enough, I'm sure...

GXP is getting new struts but so far the sway bars are the same. The GXP is also getting different brake rotors.

Edit: - Rear springs are also GXP specific.

-Greg

GXP will have it's own FE3 High Performance Suspension and different rear axle ratios. It shows two possibilitites. a 3.70 and a 3.27.

No word yet on engine option with GXP. Stay tuned.

GXP is getting new struts but so far the sway bars are the same. The GXP is also getting different brake rotors.

Looks alot like to specs for the HSV GTS: Specs Here (http://www.hsv.com.au/Cars/ESeries/gts/specs.asp)
Hopefully the G8 GXP will get magnetic ride control too! :eek2:

Am I understanding that the gxp will be stick only? Or is there just a stick option?

I'm not a fan of sticks (insert comment here), I would have liked the gxp w/ an auto option. But I can understand their thinking

Am I understanding that the gxp will be stick only? Or is there just a stick option?

I'm not a fan of sticks (insert comment here), I would have liked the gxp w/ an auto option. But I can understand their thinking


OTOH, I do ** NOT ** understand their thinking. . .

I would think that GM have learned by now that the desire for a high performance vehicle ( sedan or sports \ GT car ) is ** NOT ** directly & automatically coupled with a desire for a manual trans.

The take rate for the automatic trans. on GM’s flagship sports \ GT car ( I drive a Corvette ) is well over two thirds. ( Excluding the Z06 – where no automatic is available. ) Sales numbers for 2007 below.

And the new Caddy CTS-v will be available with an automatic – because the market demands one. Taurus SHO sales increased dramatically when the automatic became avaialbe.

There are other examples.

I have no problem with a manual being available on the GXP.
Or even being standard.
I will be rather annoyed if none [ edit: no automatic is also ] available on the GXP.

There are reasons ( traffic, bursitis, etc. ) that people want or need an automatic. GM has an automatic that has been used behind current series V8 – including the L76 in the G8 GT. And beefier versions – like the 6L90 that is used in some large GM SUVs – and in that upcoming 2009 CTS-v.
- Ray
Apparently not a potential GXP buyer . . .

= = =

Automatic:
Coupe = 14093 & 65.6%
Convertible = 8329 & 76.3%

I agree. I see no issue with offering it. I know a bunch of guys dieing to have manuals. I'm just not one of them. I'm putting off geting the gt, in hopes of getting a gxp. But I want my automatic. My drive sucks. Hey give me the paddle shift option with my auto.

Hmm... intriguing.

So when have they planned the tentative 09 release date?

would it be worth it to scoop an 08 then?

Hey give me the paddle shift option with my auto.

Those are my thoughts. I test drove an Audi TT and it was amazing - paddles on the steering wheel to shift with, but even if you let the auto do the shifting, it was PDQ. Less than 100 milliseconds from one gear to the next...faster than any human could shift.

GM has been so lazy and behind the times in this transmission/gearing arena, it really upsets me. I want to stay loyal, but they make it hard. If it hadn't been for the G8 I would certainly be defecting.

So does your magic order form have any info about the engine??? Any hint at all?

I'd bet that the LS3 has GOT to be the Hi-Po engine... its relatively cheap, powerful, reliable, and proven. I'd hope that's what will be offered. Oh, and I'm SURE they'll have an auto-option because EVERY other GXP model has one... it wouldn't make sense to sell in the US without one.

~LSx

I agree. I see no issue with offering it. I know a bunch of guys dieing to have manuals. I'm just not one of them. I'm putting off geting the gt, in hopes of getting a gxp. But I want my automatic. My drive sucks. Hey give me the paddle shift option with my auto.


Based on earlier posts in this thread, an M6 will at least be an option, if not standard. At this point, it sounds a bit too early even for those folks "in the know" to know for sure. I do feel safe in assuming they'll at least offer the automatic as an option.

Regardless of the comments from enthusiasts on here an on many other message boards, the demand for a manual seems to be on the decline. (for better or worse) I currently drive a 6-speed with my Acura RSX, but would certainly enjoy slipping into something with more power AND an automatic. (an oxymoron, I know) My driving situation calls for a lot of city driving and rowing through the gears gets old quick.

My dream would be to own a GXP model with an automatic and an MSRP around $36K at the most. It may be a pipe-dream on both.

Why in the world would you buy a sports car and not get a stick.

Why in the world would you buy a sports car and not get a stick.

What in the world would you buy a 4-door vehicle and tell yourself it's a sports car?

Those are my thoughts. I test drove an Audi TT and it was amazing - paddles on the steering wheel to shift with, but even if you let the auto do the shifting, it was PDQ. Less than 100 milliseconds from one gear to the next...faster than any human could shift.

GM has been so lazy and behind the times in this transmission/gearing arena, it really upsets me. I want to stay loyal, but they make it hard. If it hadn't been for the G8 I would certainly be defecting.

Seriously, VW just produced their 1,000,000 DSG tranny, why can't GM come up with something comparable?

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/07/volkswagen-builds-1-000-000th-dsg/

Awesome info thanks!

I wish I knew when the 2009's were able to be ordered... I may spring for a GXP and just pay the extra $$ towards the company lease to have it... I like me some HP


Cheers

Why in the world would you buy a sports car and not get a stick.


Not trying to de-rail the thread, but why not? Where is this supposed rule that in order to have a sporty car and be a true enthusiast, you have to drive a manual? I've listed at list one reason in my earlier post above, but hell, looking at a purely performance aspect, many vehicles equipped with modern auto/semi-auto transmissions are faster than the majority of drivers that manually shift gears. Most people simply don't have the skill, experience or ability to shift as fast or accurately.

I can certainly appreciate those who like to experience the feeling of connection and control with a manually-operated gearbox, but as my life continues to evolve, my daily-driver would include a strong engine and a fast, reliable automatic transmission.

You know, different strokes for different folks and all that.... :)

Ever go around a corner? The very term "sports car" doesn't only mean "fast in a straight line." Being able to pick your own gears when and how you want is way more important in the twisties than from a stoplight.

Ever go around a corner? The very term "sports car" doesn't mean "fast in a straight line." Being able to pick your own gears when and how you want is way more important in the twisties than from a stoplight.

I second that motion!

I personally can't wait for the manual transmission to be available, but I hope the GXP will also offer an automatic for those who want one. Who knows, in another 10 years my left knee may not be able to handle a clutch, and I will want an automatic too.

Any news on brakes for the GXP, I was hoping it would be a HSV car either the R8 or The GTS but I guess not, I do like the new colour choices though !!

It is likely that the GXP will use cross drilled. The Grand Prix GXP did; there is no reason to believe that the G8 GXP will not.

With all the banter about transmissions has anyone thought of the ploy used by GM on the final years Camaro? Pick which ever trans you want, auto or 6SP, no extra charge. Only problem I can see with this is, if the G8 continues to be pre-built; i.e., unorderable to specific options, and they make the mix as mentioned above, mostly auto trans, there may be a shortage of manual trans available!?!:eek2:

09 release date????

Any news on brakes for the GXP, I was hoping it would be a HSV car either the R8 or The GTS but I guess not, I do like the new colour choices though !!

I'd hope a GXP would at least take the mechanicals of the HSV Clubsport R8. Engine, exhaust, gearboxes, brakes, suspension, wheels etc. The bodykit and interior trim is to Pontiacs taste.

Be cool if GXP became a HSV like operation.

Chances are the 6M will be standard on the GXP and maybe the auto as an option. Depends all on how it gets set up on the line. I can't imagine both will be standard if both tranny's are offered.

From GM, via orderbook, compliments of a dealer I know and trust.

Not that it matters, but I am pretty sure the program is called "Autobook." I will see what I can find out. Been too busy at work to do any "research."

I wonder which tranny selection will get the gas guzzler tax and which doesn't get it. The manual seems to be the better choice unless their saving the LS3 with the manual with 430 HP stock its 5 hp more than the SRT-8 but then again if you had the Corvette dual exhaust butter flies exhaust system adds another 6 more HP. <_<

Where can I get a good look at the Stryker Blue color on the car?

I see no problem offering an automatic. I just happen to be a die hard manual guy. My biggest problem with automatics is I don't have complete control over which gear I am in. In the G8 it may not matter as much as my Honda, which happens to be torqueless. If they offered a DSG trans with complete driver control I would buy that. I am faster around the track in a DSG vs. a full manual. The DSG, dual clutch gearbox, and the less well known Zero Shift, are so far ahead of the other automanual/manumatic that I don't know why they bother.

http://liveimages.carsales.com.au/dealer/carsales/7782806.jpg

http://liveimages.carsales.com.au/dealer/carsales/7782805.jpg

I was too lazy too search yesterday. This is the Voodoo blue, that looks similar to the Impulse on the GTO, and could be the Stryker on the G8.

I see no problem offering an automatic. I just happen to be a die hard manual guy. My biggest problem with automatics is I don't have complete control over which gear I am in. In the G8 it may not matter as much as my Honda, which happens to be torqueless. If they offered a DSG trans with complete driver control I would buy that. I am faster around the track in a DSG vs. a full manual. The DSG, dual clutch gearbox, and the less well known Zero Shift, are so far ahead of the other automanual/manumatic that I don't know why they bother.

I agree that having the DSG available would be nice. However, I am not sure I understand your thoughts on complete control over which gear you are in. The TapShift as presented in my GP GXP allows me complete control over which gear I am in. It will not upshift (just bounces on the rev limiter) until I make it do so. It will not downshift unless I am almost at a complete stop. I can start in second if I wish.

Now, I will admit that if I were buying a weekend car, I would want a manual. There is a certain satisfaction in the rhythm that you develop when working through the gears on a manual tranny. That is much different than just being fast, it is a satisfaction with being one with the machine.

Chip

Can we link to a different forum?

Thought you guys may be interested in this - sort of goes with what i was saying the other day.

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60573

Anniversary Clubsport thread, but if you look a little further down......

Any word on a REAL nav system and satellite radio availability?

(without quoting) a few answers to some questions raised.

Sport Red is darker than Liquid Red, check a current Grand Prix compared to a G6 for an idea.

Production of 2009 model year starts first Monday in March. Today, 2/8 a dealer can tag a vehice produced as recently as 1/18, a delay of 3 weeks. Correspondingly if production + deliveries + sales continue at a steady pace teh first 2009's should be ready for tagging around week of 3/24. There is no indication otherwise so do not expect, until notified, to be able to sit down and special order a G8, but instead be patient with tagging (remember I said until further notice, they have not been inproduction a full 5 months yet and nobody is claiming retail delivery yet).

The info passed along to me was silent on engines. Autobook updates regularly, not just on weekends like Dealerworld. Everyone is expecting some type of engine upgrade to be part of the package - do not, IMHO, hold your breath for 550hp LS3 from CTS-V.

Current indications are the ONLY way to get a M6 is with GXP - that does not rule out A6 as an option. And I guess my money's no good at The General's store since he is against teh idea of selling sports saloons with slushboxes (BTW, how soon is your first non-sports car with the $5000 over sticker arriving :punch: I know YOU wouldn't but that's the deal I was offered locally on a yet to arrive 888)

Again, release date for 2009 model year is March 3, 2008. No disclaimers yet for late arrival for GXP so it should be in production on the same date. If it is that close then at least one of the major shows should have one on display. Keep your eyes and cameras ready.

(without quoting) a few answers to some questions raised.

Sport Red is darker than Liquid Red, check a current Grand Prix compared to a G6 for an idea.

. . .

Current indications are the ONLY way to get a M6 is with GXP - that does not rule out A6 as an option. And I guess my money's no good at The General's store since he is against teh idea of selling sports saloons with slushboxes (BTW, how soon is your first non-sports car with the $5000 over sticker arriving :punch: I know YOU wouldn't but that's the deal I was offered locally on a yet to arrive 888)

Again, release date for 2009 model year is March 3, 2008. No disclaimers yet for late arrival for GXP so it should be in production on the same date. If it is that close then at least one of the major shows should have one on display. Keep your eyes and cameras ready.

I appreciate the update.
I will have my camera at the Atlanta Show in April.

I am confused by what you wrote above - do you require a slushbox?
Or a manual GT?
- Ray
Old & slow....

(without quoting) a few answers to some questions raised.

Sport Red is darker than Liquid Red, check a current Grand Prix compared to a G6 for an idea.

Production of 2009 model year starts first Monday in March. Today, 2/8 a dealer can tag a vehice produced as recently as 1/18, a delay of 3 weeks. Correspondingly if production + deliveries + sales continue at a steady pace teh first 2009's should be ready for tagging around week of 3/24. There is no indication otherwise so do not expect, until notified, to be able to sit down and special order a G8, but instead be patient with tagging (remember I said until further notice, they have not been inproduction a full 5 months yet and nobody is claiming retail delivery yet).

The info passed along to me was silent on engines. Autobook updates regularly, not just on weekends like Dealerworld. Everyone is expecting some type of engine upgrade to be part of the package - do not, IMHO, hold your breath for 550hp LS3 from CTS-V.

Current indications are the ONLY way to get a M6 is with GXP - that does not rule out A6 as an option. And I guess my money's no good at The General's store since he is against teh idea of selling sports saloons with slushboxes (BTW, how soon is your first non-sports car with the $5000 over sticker arriving :punch: I know YOU wouldn't but that's the deal I was offered locally on a yet to arrive 888)

Again, release date for 2009 model year is March 3, 2008. No disclaimers yet for late arrival for GXP so it should be in production on the same date. If it is that close then at least one of the major shows should have one on display. Keep your eyes and cameras ready.


I noticed on gminventory that all the G8's are listed as "UNPRODUCED". It also looks like you can tag any of them. They all show a build date of November except for a few that show December.

BTW, the LS3 is 430HP. The LS9 is the supercharged engine that has 600+HP for the Corvette and 550HP for the CTS-V.

Wow great info.

Sad: No Ignition GXPs. No Navigation?
Good: XM, Some real GXP upgrades...now just get the LS3 in there.

Sticks are fun when its open road. Sticks suck when you are in a traffic jam, trying to talk on the phone for work while driving, eating and driving, and of course if you are physically unable to use both legs and both arms.

Thanks OP for the information. Please update if you find any confirmation of a more powerful engine. I've got my hopes up for a GXP with a LS3 and 3.7 gears in an A6. :) I had a 6-speed 2005 GTO that was a blast, but I'll be trying the A6 this time.

I'll be at the Chicago auto show next weekend, but I can't imagine finding anyone in the booth that will know the "real deal"...

Its disappointing when the customers know more about the car than the sales staff !

I noticed on gminventory that all the G8's are listed as "UNPRODUCED". It also looks like you can tag any of them. They all show a build date of November except for a few that show December.

BTW, the LS3 is 430HP. The LS9 is the supercharged engine that has 600+HP for the Corvette and 550HP for the CTS-V.

I've been looking all week at TPWs of 01/18/2008. Just sort the list by TPW and go to last page.

Thanks for the correction on the engine.

I agree that having the DSG available would be nice. However, I am not sure I understand your thoughts on complete control over which gear you are in. The TapShift as presented in my GP GXP allows me complete control over which gear I am in. It will not upshift (just bounces on the rev limiter) until I make it do so. It will not downshift unless I am almost at a complete stop. I can start in second if I wish.

I guess it isn't so much complete control of what gear entirely, although these systems are so inconsistent as to which ones allow you to hit the limiter and not upshift, or drop the revs and downshift automatically. I don't want to be mid-corner and have an unexpected downshift forced on me, or approaching a corner close to redline and have computer upshift just before I slam the brakes. My other problem is the torque converter itself, until recently all these systems had little engine braking. The converters would allow you to coast off throttle. I believe the new Lexus IS-F and AMG 7 speeds have converters that lock above second to allow for engine braking. And some but not all automatics shift slower than I do.

But from what it seems, it isn't the justification for a manual GXP that Pontiac needs, it is for an automatic one. I really don't see why they can't offer both, but until they say there won't be an auto GXP I wouldn't worry.

With all the banter about transmissions has anyone thought of the ploy used by GM on the final years Camaro? Pick which ever trans you want, auto or 6SP, no extra charge. Only problem I can see with this is, if the G8 continues to be pre-built; i.e., unorderable to specific options, and they make the mix as mentioned above, mostly auto trans, there may be a shortage of manual trans available!?!:eek2:

I’m pretty sure that the ratio of A6 to M6 will be adjusted pretty quickly (within a couple months) to match demand. Likewise I think that the color, option and trim level allocations will be adjusted to match demand dealer demand which should follow buyer demand pretty closely.

Its not like the info will be hard for GM to find.

I guess it isn't so much complete control of what gear entirely, although these systems are so inconsistent as to which ones allow you to hit the limiter and not upshift, or drop the revs and downshift automatically. I don't want to be mid-corner and have an unexpected downshift forced on me, or approaching a corner close to redline and have computer upshift just before I slam the brakes. My other problem is the torque converter itself, until recently all these systems had little engine braking. The converters would allow you to coast off throttle. I believe the new Lexus IS-F and AMG 7 speeds have converters that lock above second to allow for engine braking. And some but not all automatics shift slower than I do.

But from what it seems, it isn't the justification for a manual GXP that Pontiac needs, it is for an automatic one. I really don't see why they can't offer both, but until they say there won't be an auto GXP I wouldn't worry.

This is probably not the proper place for this topic, but it does seem apropos, until we know for sure if the GXP will arrive with an automatic option.

Anyway, no Torque Converter Automatic is likely to ever really satisfy those who totally prefer a manual trans. Edmunds has a topic called “The Future of the Manual Transmission”. With well over 4,000 posts.

With over 20,000 miles on my Corvette with ( essentially ) this trans, I consider the 6L80 to be a very good implementation of the manumatic format. A torque converter automatic with the ability ( within reason ) to manually shift up & down.

The actual speed of shifts is typically very quick – both up & down. And the “firm yet not harsh” nature of the shifts, I find quite acceptable.

The TCC lockup algorithm, as implemented in my Corvette is fairly aggressive – particularly compared to that in the Grand Prix GXP’s 4-speed automatic. One thing this means is that once moving, the ‘feel’ is somewhat more akin to that of a manual. On deceleration, at most engine & road speeds, you do have significant engine braking. And at higher road & engine speeds, accelerator position will not typically trigger TCC unlock.

“ . .approaching a corner close to redline and have computer upshift just before I slam the brakes.” I have never quite understood this one. When I do hit the rev limiter at WOT, that seems to me to upset the car’s dynamics more than an upshift would have.

Regarding inconsistency between these systems – “. . which ones allow you to hit the limiter and not upshift, or drop the revs and downshift automatically”: While there are these 2 basic strategies different manufacturers choose, there is absolutely no inconsistency in this particular system. It will never automatically upshift if you are in manumatic mode. It will always upshift, right at red line, if at WOT. It will downshift for you, but not until the revs are so low that ANY acceleration would reasonably call for that lower gear anyway. With use, I quickly learned when it would downshift automatically – and don’t run into any issues with that aspect.

And there is also PAL, for those times when you are driving as aggressively as one safely can on public roads – or on a track.

One open question is whether or not the G8 GT with this trans. will offer “rev match on downshifts”???
An Edmunds test of the Sport Ute version with this trans includes this quote:
“. . throttle blips on downshifts.”
We shall see if the US \ DoD \ AFM version of the L76 and this trans. does also accomplish this. I have driven a BMW 335i with the 6 speed ‘Steptronic’ trans. It is an excellent trans. – and it does the rev match ‘trick’ very well.

Now in all fairness, there is one significant aspect where inconsistency DOES appear. The lag between request ( via paddles, in the case of the Corvette ) for an upshift or downshift, and the actual shift occurring does vary more than I’d like. I’d prefer that the shift execution begin immediately. Sometimes it does. Sometimes there is a delay. A minor annoyance, most of the time. Also, though I have not driven a 2008 Corvette to see for myself, there are reports that this aspect has been improved significantly since mine was built. And I have hope that the G8 will also receive the ‘upgrades’.

My point here, though, is if GM \ Pontiac wants to defray the R&D costs of their G8’s GXP version over a lot more units, they need to offer an automatic trans. option. I hope they realize that.

Notwithstanding the comments regarding why anyone would buy a sports car with an automatic trans., the reality is that if you chopped over 22,000 units from the most recent year Corvette sales ( over 14,000 Coupes and over 8,000 Convertibles made with automatics ) I’d bet the price on a manual trans Corvette would be ** A WHOLE LOT ** higher than it is now. Or the Corvette would be dead. In a very real sense, I even believe that all those annual sales of automatic-equipped sports cars actually contribute considerably to keeping the Corvette alive – and to keeping the Corvette’s price a ( relative ) bargain.

Cheers,
- Ray
If purchasing a GXP, it will be with a manumatic trans.

So with all the discussion based on my transmission question, I think we can all agree that the gxp shouls come w/ both. Some want autos, others want manuals. Given the fact that autos are typically more popular, I'd hope that the manaul would be an option.

I second the fact that I would really like a manumatic. And I completely understand why people want sticks. My g8 will be a dd, so I'm not itching to shift on a wintery day with stop and go traffic.

Also, I also really hope for an ls3 and navigation. But, one would think. With bigger brakes, they must be adding "some" hp? Maybe a blower if not the ls3?

Also, achieftain you confused me a little. Did you mean to say they will start production of the 09's in march of 08? Or that they will sell the 08's in march of 08? If they're starting production of the 09's in a month, you'd think they'd have more info out. But maybe I misunderstood you.

If they haven't started producing the 09's, when will they? November/December of 08?

Thanks for the info achieftan; especially the march 3rd date.

So.. in a nutshell... the M6 will be on the GXP model but none on the G8 GT, correct?

DSGs are manual transmisions with manual cluctches. Most even have two clutches. One for each shaft. Thats how they get them to shift so fast. Then the cluches are controlled by solinoids. This sounds close enough to a manual for me. Now taking an automatic with a torque converter and allowing you to hold it in gear, well thats another story. I don't like this at all.

I just reread achieftain's post and now it seems to make sense what GM claimed that the Manual will be available late this year... They weren't clear on the 'model' since it seems they weren't sure but had given the impression that the G8 GT manual would be offered. I wonder if that's what they intented initially until some brainiac decided to offer the "more performance oriented" GXP model to get the M6 and give GT customers the shaft. All in all, not good decision making but I may be jumping the gun. - Just an observation.

Here is a link to the initial information \ [ prelim. ] specs.
Released one year and 1 day ago:

http://www.media.gm.com/us/gm/en/news/events/autoshows/07chicago/brands/pontiac/index.html

It's weird watching this auto vs manual discussion. From the perspective of the rest of the world, people don't generally buy autos.
Every other country I've been to it is the manual trans. that are the majority and by a longshot. Most don't even offer autos at all on the majority of their cars.

Only in america where people want to eat and put on makeup and read a newspaper while in stop & go traffic on 10 lane highways do autos outnumber manuals.

Me, I'd rather drive my car in a way that invigorates me down the side streets rather than sit in a jammed highway stuffing my face and listening to the radio.

I don't need no radio, no navigation (rather have portable), no blue teethes... Just give me the biggest blown v8 you can on something that corners and I'll drive it like I stole it with a smile on my face.

I wonder if that's what they intented initially until some brainiac decided to offer the "more performance oriented" GXP model to get the M6 and give GT customers the shaft. All in all, not good decision making but I may be jumping the gun. - Just an observation.

If you want a manual so you can go faster in the twisties, then it'd seem you'd also want a gxp with a better suspension, brakes and hopefully motor. Makes perfect sense to me.

It's weird watching this auto vs manual discussion. From the perspective of the rest of the world, people don't generally buy autos.
Every other country I've been to it is the manual trans. that are the majority and by a longshot. Most don't even offer autos at all on the majority of their cars.

Only in america where people want to eat and put on makeup and read a newspaper while in stop & go traffic on 10 lane highways do autos outnumber manuals.

Me, I'd rather drive my car in a way that invigorates me down the side streets rather than sit in a jammed highway stuffing my face and listening to the radio.

I don't need no radio, no navigation (rather have portable), no blue teethes... Just give me the biggest blown v8 you can on something that corners and I'll drive it like I stole it with a smile on my face.

Not all of us auto guys eat and put on makeup when we're driving. Sometimes I'm just tired and sometimes I'm stopped at a light on a hill. I just find autos easier and more comfortable to drive. I don't want to be jabbing my passengers knee every 5 seconds. But once again, another reason for a manumatic. If I want to shift I can. If I don't, I wont.

/end of tranny discussion

what he said^

im in too much heavy traffic going to work and coming home that i would shoot myself if i had to shift all the time.

It's awesome that they offer the automatic.

If you've ever driven a Al flywheel and twin disk clutch or a sintered iron disk in bumper traffic; then you'd see EXACTLY why you would want an automatic. Because if your left leg is not numbingly sore, then you have a roasted clutch/flywheel or shattered driveline parts.

Also, achieftain you confused me a little. Did you mean to say they will start production of the 09's in march of 08? Or that they will sell the 08's in march of 08? If they're starting production of the 09's in a month, you'd think they'd have more info out. But maybe I misunderstood you.



Production of 2008 G8s ENDS on 2/29/08
Production of 2009 G8s STARTS on 3/3/08

see my http://www.g8board.com/forums/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=945 post


And the info is in the hands of each and every dealer, if they choose to look. It's in Autobook, they'll know what that means. As soon as it gets uploaded to Dealerworld (another dealer only tool but one with open access) alongside the 2009 Vibe info we'll have a good handle on absolutely everything except price increase.
They'll be selling certain config/color '08s long after '09s arrive (anyone tag a Base V6 in Stealth Blue and zero options for $27,595 MSRP yet? answer, yes, 2 of the 6 have been tagged)

Is that normal to only produce the 08 model G8s for 3 months and then move on to the 2009 model? I thought the 2008 models would run until August, at which time the entire auto industry would switch to the 09s.

Maybe it's different because they are built down under.

How ever the car is produced in January of a year, that is the model year. So it looks like the G8 will be made the 09 way untill at least Februry 09.

Is that normal to only produce the 08 model G8s for 3 months and then move on to the 2009 model? I thought the 2008 models would run until August, at which time the entire auto industry would switch to the 09s.

Maybe it's different because they are built down under.
Normal is start of production in June or July with cars in showrooms by August or September and then changeover at same time next year. That's how most GM cars are designated - if you look at production records for the last couple years June and/or July will register 2 different years of cars produced.
How ever the car is produced in January of a year, that is the model year. So it looks like the G8 will be made the 09 way untill at least Februry 09.Point being? that 2009 could be a long model year? Other cars have early changeovers of sales (2009 Vibe) some are introduced way early (original modern Chryco 300M), some split years for no reason (2006 Solstice continued to June while 2007 Sky debuted in January)

Thanks for the info achieftain. One can assume that the dealerworld will be upload within 2 weeks and then we will get to see the new 09 options/add ons.

Normal is start of production in June or July with cars in showrooms by August or September and then changeover at same time next year. That's how most GM cars are designated - if you look at production records for the last couple years June and/or July will register 2 different years of cars produced.
Point being? that 2009 could be a long model year? Other cars have early changeovers of sales (2009 Vibe) some are introduced way early (original modern Chryco 300M), some split years for no reason (2006 Solstice continued to June while 2007 Sky debuted in January)

The G8 will be made the same until at least Feb 09. In Feb 09 they can change it. And when it is changed it will be a 2010. So I am saying they won't change it till like Dec 09. That is when they will come out with the 2010.

Forgive me if this has been answered already, but does anyone know how many 09 models are going to be sold in the US? I'm hoping it's enough to actually drive one and for the dealer to honor GSM pricing.

The G8 will be made the same until at least Feb 09. In Feb 09 they can change it. And when it is changed it will be a 2010. So I am saying they won't change it till like Dec 09. That is when they will come out with the 2010.

You're losing me. They won't change the body style until at least 2013. They can add/subtract options/standard equipment at the drop of a hat. They (GM) have flat-out told the dealers that model year changeover is happening in less than 3 weeks - and you are saying they cannot do that?

3 1/2 months production so far (10/1/07 - 1/18/08) and somewhat less than 10,000 units, the 2008 model year run might total 15,000 at best. 2009 will be a different story with possibly up to 15 months of production available to them.

You're losing me. They won't change the body style until at least 2013. They can add/subtract options/standard equipment at the drop of a hat. They (GM) have flat-out told the dealers that model year changeover is happening in less than 3 weeks - and you are saying they cannot do that?

3 1/2 months production so far (10/1/07 - 1/18/08) and somewhat less than 10,000 units, the 2008 model year run might total 15,000 at best. 2009 will be a different story with possibly up to 15 months of production available to them.

Remember when Ford did a major redesign on the F150. They started selling the truck in Febuary. In january of the following year the truck was the same. It stayed the same till the end of that year. So for 22 -23 months the truck had the same model year. What I am saying is the 2009 G8 will be the same in January 2009 as it will be in March 2008. They don't normally make major changes mid model year. They keep the major changes for the next year. Then they can say it is new and improved. Body styles usually last between 4 - 6 years. They don't usually change colors mid season either. The GTO's all had the same color option per year. Example if you saw a purple GTO it had to be a 2004. They can change the model year anytime after any January. But they way the car was made in January determins the model year. Sometimes they do half years on models, but that is pretty rare.

Wikipedia quote

In the United States, for regulation purposes, government authorities allow cars of a given model year to be sold starting on January 2 of the previous calendar year.

Gartht I don't know your location, but both dealers I spoke to in the Metro-Detroit area said they would honor employee pricing. Not on the 888s, but all other G8s they are allocated.

Remember when Ford did a major redesign on the F150. They started selling the truck in Febuary. In january of the following year the truck was the same. It stayed the same till the end of that year. So for 22 -23 months the truck had the same model year. What I am saying is the 2009 G8 will be the same in January 2009 as it will be in March 2008. They don't normally make major changes mid model year. They keep the major changes for the next year. Then they can say it is new and improved. Body styles usually last between 4 - 6 years. They don't usually change colors mid season either. The GTO's all had the same color option per year. Example if you saw a purple GTO it had to be a 2004. They can change the model year anytime after any January. But they way the car was made in January determins the model year. Sometimes they do half years on models, but that is pretty rare.

Precisely the reason that the 2009's are coming out so early, even before delivery of possibly 10% of all 2008s produced. But the thing is, there are no major plans or changes from 08 to 09. Sure there is a GXP version, and new colors, but GM does that mid-stream of a model year without changing designation. Example: SCCA SOlstice edition available for order is 2008 m.y., not 2009, they don't feel need to changeover for a new edition just because.

...no major plans or changes from 08 to 09. Sure there is a GXP version...

Any idea of when the GXP versions will be available for tagging?:popcorn2:

So with all the discussion based on my transmission question, I think we can all agree that the gxp shouls come w/ both.
I totally agree.

damn am I itching to see what the engine is for the GXP

My guess is a LS3.

Any idea of when the GXP versions will be available for tagging?:popcorn2:

We'll probably have to wait until mid-year before Pontiac springs that surprise on us.

ill keep my ears open at work.

Normal is start of production in June or July with cars in showrooms by August or September and then changeover at same time next year. That's how most GM cars are designated - if you look at production records for the last couple years June and/or July will register 2 different years of cars produced.
Point being? that 2009 could be a long model year? Other cars have early changeovers of sales (2009 Vibe) some are introduced way early (original modern Chryco 300M), some split years for no reason (2006 Solstice continued to June while 2007 Sky debuted in January)

I am backing up achieftain on the potential of a long 2009 MY. The 2002 Envoy / Trailblazer was an early introduction in Spring of 2001, but the dealers still called it the 2002 Envoy. I also beleive the 2007 Yukons/Tahoes/Escalades were in delearships late Spring Early summer 2006 and then switched to 2008's on the normal cycle. I am guessing the have to do this so all the new vehicles are not coming out at exaclty the same time each year. If they did, GM could steal its own thunder from one vehicle to the next in the Press.

As an Aussie I'd like to know how the different years are identified.
My guess would be something like MY2009 on the compliance plate where the Aussie Commodore would have the Series id of VE?

So, you'd have a manufactured date of say, 10 March 2008 and MY2009?

It's going to be the LS3.

As an Aussie I'd like to know how the different years are identified.
My guess would be something like MY2009 on the compliance plate where the Aussie Commodore would have the Series id of VE?

So, you'd have a manufactured date of say, 10 March 2008 and MY2009?

No easy answer to this exactly.

-The compliance label is based on the date of manufacture.
-The window sticker will indicate model year
-One digit of the VIN will also indicate model year.
-Regulations apply by model year.
-Usually,but not always, changes don't occur within a model year.
-In the US market, it used to be that nearly every car would have at least a minor styling change each model year. that is much less true now, but old habits die hard.


Yes, your example of a car built in March of 2008, would be a 2009 model year car in the G8's case.

First off, color lineup for 2009:

#11-White Hot
#17-Maverick Silver (NEW)
#18-Magnetic Gray (n/a on GXP)
#26-Sport Red (NEW)
#39-Stryker Blue (NEW)
#62-Liquid Red
#64-Karma Metallic (NEW)
#80-Panther Black

#25-Stealth Blue and #77 Ignition Orange appear to be out, so if you want either of those two colors you'll have to act fast.

Same interior codes as 2008. The GXP will only come in leather but shows the same codes as the others. Guess there might be special sticking or embossing.

The GXP will have specific 19" polished WHeels with the Summer tires or a new All-Season tire in the same size.

All three models are showing the XM code of U2K and the Bluetooth code.

GXP will be the only one offering a 6-speed manual it looks like.

GXP will have it's own FE3 High Performance Suspension and different rear axle ratios. It shows two possibilitites. a 3.70 and a 3.27.

No word yet on engine option with GXP. Stay tuned.

I'm happy about the new colors and all the other items mentioned.

but....3.70 gear ratio! Holy cow that should wake up the car up and in a hurry.

Okay so it looks like XM and Bluetooth are in, what about a REAL nav system? Not this BS turn by turn crap.

As an Aussie I'd like to know how the different years are identified.
My guess would be something like MY2009 on the compliance plate where the Aussie Commodore would have the Series id of VE?

So, you'd have a manufactured date of say, 10 March 2008 and MY2009?

In another post I mentioned taht the model year changeover is taking place over teh weekend between Feb and Mar of this year. All G8s built up to quitting time on Friday Feb 29 are 2008, and all cars produced starting with first shift Monday March 3 are to be 2009.

The Commodore Series VE is not a year identifier, but simply a version or style.

The VIN will have an indicator digit that tells the year, as well as one taht tells country of manufacture and a host of other items. The manufacturers are petitioning DOT to allow longer number sequences, one for adding more info, two for having higher individual production numbers without having to change year ID.

As soon as I can order my 09 gxp in silver or stealth blue I will. I hope it's an ls3. I don't care what it costs. Hopefully fully loaded it's under 40. *crosses fingers*

From GM, via orderbook, compliments of a dealer I know and trust.

I see no G8 2009 info online ...
Anyone know anything further?
Thanks,
- Ray

Okay so it looks like XM and Bluetooth are in, what about a REAL nav system? Not this BS turn by turn crap.

I've had a nav system and now use the "turn by turn." I can honestly tell you that I would never go back to nav. I am a self admitted gadget guy and love having the screen, but turn by turn is a godsend. I was in cali and I knew I had to get myself some in & out burger. All I did was hit the blue button and ask them to direct me to the nearest one. It was a sinch. That was just one example of why I'll never go back to nav.

Does anyone know when any 2009 info will be on the pontiac website or in a brochure. I knew what I wanted for the 08 model, but now I want to pick out exactly what I want in an 09.

Probably not for a while. They haven't even announced all the details concernin the 09 and/or the gxp model.

I've had a nav system and now use the "turn by turn." I can honestly tell you that I would never go back to nav. I am a self admitted gadget guy and love having the screen, but turn by turn is a godsend. I was in cali and I knew I had to get myself some in & out burger. All I did was hit the blue button and ask them to direct me to the nearest one. It was a sinch. That was just one example of why I'll never go back to nav.

Agreed, my 2007 SRX has both NAV and Turn by Turn. I just tried the Turn by Turn the other day and it was fantastic. Very accurate and keeps your eyes on the road and away from the map screen. It also shows the next street to turn on in the DIC.

I bought a Garmin Zumo 550 which I use on my bikes as well as my cages. It cost me 700 bucks, does text to speech and turn by turn navigation. It's waterproof to 3 meters for 3 hours as well in case you decide you want to put it on the outside of the car... lol:eek2: It also has an MP3 player, XM and Traffic alert built into it.

The nice thing about it over many car based units is that I can hook it to my PC and develop custom navigation and download a saved course that I drove and tweak it. Cheaper than in car systems and I can walk around a big town with it and use it for personal navigation as well...

Sorry for the hijack. My point was that you can get really good nav systems without them being built in and use them else where!

I'm glad you like the turn by turn. I guess it would be fine if it was a free service, but last I saw it was a couple HUNDRED dollars a YEAR. Besides most cars already have the voice guidance that does the same thing as turn by turn, at no additional cost.

I bought a Garmin Zumo 550 which I use on my bikes as well as my cages. It cost me 700 bucks, does text to speech and turn by turn navigation. It's waterproof to 3 meters for 3 hours as well in case you decide you want to put it on the outside of the car... lol:eek2: It also has an MP3 player, XM and Traffic alert built into it.

The nice thing about it over many car based units is that I can hook it to my PC and develop custom navigation and download a saved course that I drove and tweak it. Cheaper than in car systems and I can walk around a big town with it and use it for personal navigation as well...

Sorry for the hijack. My point was that you can get really good nav systems without them being built in and use them else where!

I already have several Garmin products, in fact I have stock. However, I think it looks like crap, and you constantly have to hide the system or somebody will smash your window and steal it (tweakers) I want a nice integrated system for looks and convenience. I could be in the minority on this one, in fact I usually am! :eek2:

Does anyone know when any 2009 info will be on the pontiac website or in a brochure. I knew what I wanted for the 08 model, but now I want to pick out exactly what I want in an 09.

I can't believe that not one customer has taken delivery yet of a 2008 G8 and we are already talking about the '09's coming out. Who came up with this strategy at GM? Probably the same guy who came out with this "great" tagging process. Dopes :banghead:

With the way things are loooking, we may be talking about the 2010 models before anyone actually has a G8 to call their own.

I just got back from the Chicago Auto Show, and as I expected noone seemed to be able to tell me anything I didn't already know from on this board. I spoke with a variety of reps there to find the ones who weren't just quoting from memorized lines, and found a very few. They told me not to expect the manual transmission option to arrive until late in the '09 production year, and that no official engine has been announced for the GXP, or even whether a GXP will exist for sure. There are strong rumors, but nothing official. That is pretty much the case from all the manufacturers though, when you ask about future vehicle info.

I loved how the G8s look and feel up close. I really like the leather interior more than the one in my GTP. The leather is more "textured" and supple. That is more comfortable, and things don't slide so much on it. The quality of the interior parts doesn't compare to more expensive competitors, but is also much better than my GTP. I really wish that they would offer a lighter (taupe, tan, light grey, whatever) interior option though. The onyx is too dark and boring IMHO.

The next step for me will be a test drive, and if it feels as good as I think it will, I will be a new G8 owner!

If the GXP takes too long I might wait on a camaro

I really wish that they would offer a lighter (taupe, tan, light grey, whatever) interior option though. The onyx is too dark and boring IMHO.

The next step for me will be a test drive, and if it feels as good as I think it will, I will be a new G8 owner!

i agree, i really think the Calais trim should be an option too, maybe just on limited colours, or a limited luxury edition?

luckily if people are really THAT keen, most of it should be interchangeable and ordered from australia

Now that's what I'm talking about! That is a sharp interior. There is no good reason why something like this can't be offered in the G8.

As for waiting for the Camaro if the GXP takes too long, I'm not sure you'll want to be that patient. There didn't seem to be any more optimistic news from the personnel at the Chicago Auto Show about when the Camaro will be released either. It sounds like the GXP might still arrive first, but we'll need plenty of patience.

Yeah it should definately arrive first. Camaro production starts in about 200 days and according to peeps here the G8 09 production starts in 30 days or so. But still if they delay the GXP until the actual 09 year, then the camaros will already be rolling off the fab in canada too.

It depends, if I lose patience I will just buy a used corvette and live with it as my daily driver :>

That is a nice interior. That won't be on the GT model?

I just received an e-brochure from my local dealer. It lists the specs of the 2008 model and it looks like they are getting a few G8s this month, red and black GTs, so they say.

So I can drive a 2009 model, in mid-2008? Cool!

So I can drive a 2009 model, in mid-2008? Cool!

At the rate it's going... you'll be lucky to drive an 08 in 08. :eek2:

I can't believe that not one customer has taken delivery yet of a 2008 G8 and we are already talking about the '09's coming out. Who came up with this strategy at GM? Probably the same guy who came out with this "great" tagging process. Dopes :banghead:

I never planned on geting a gt. I have been waiting and crossing my fingers in hopes of a gxp. So this new news has me very excited.

Concering the gps, I want it in my car. I want the nice fit and finish that comes with a factory unit. Not to mention you don't have to unplug and hide your garmin everytime you get in and out. You don't have power cables etc.

As for turn by turn. Most gps talks to you anyhow...

Just came back from the dealer and talking to the SP, he said that yes the 08 is a short run and they expect the GXP by Summer. He also 'predicts' (based on GM pricing tactics), the GXP will be anywhere from $1500 to $3000 more than the GT. Because of the short run or 08's and beginning '09 production, GM will introduce the GXP model to attract more potential customers/enthusiast without making a big price gap between the GT and GXP. There's a good possibility that the GXP will be first introduced with a M6 than A6 to follow. It WILL have more horsepower but no exact specs are known at this time. He also mentioned that the GXP will possibly have single hood scoop as opposed to the dual on the GT.

Take it for what it worth... he could be blowing smoke or (place comment here).

My wish is 400 HP, 3.92 Gears, and a high performance exhuast added onto a GT. If I can get that for under 33K, I'll be standing in line for a GXP.

I just want it to look like an HSV with Pontiac flare. :) I love that look.

Under 33k? I doubt it.

Just came back from the dealer and talking to the SP, he said that yes the 08 is a short run and they expect the GXP by Summer. He also 'predicts' (based on GM pricing tactics), the GXP will be anywhere from $1500 to $3000 more than the GT. Because of the short run or 08's and beginning '09 production, GM will introduce the GXP model to attract more potential customers/enthusiast without making a big price gap between the GT and GXP. There's a good possibility that the GXP will be first introduced with a M6 than A6 to follow. It WILL have more horsepower but no exact specs are known at this time. He also mentioned that the GXP will possibly have single hood scoop as opposed to the dual on the GT.

Take it for what it worth... he could be blowing smoke or (place comment here).

If we see a GXP by summer then it's bound to be an L76. My prediction is higher output/tuned L76 + first avail. of M6 + different rear end ratio + other "fluff".

If there's an LS3 planned for GXP it's bound to come at a much later date IMHO.

If we see a GXP by summer then it's bound to be an L76. My prediction is higher output/tuned L76 + first avail. of M6 + different rear end ratio + other "fluff".

If there's an LS3 planned for GXP it's bound to come at a much later date IMHO.

Dave, I'm not following your logic here. Would you care to explain?

Chip

Gartht I don't know your location, but both dealers I spoke to in the Metro-Detroit area said they would honor employee pricing. Not on the 888s, but all other G8s they are allocated.

Well that is good. Now did they say if GMAC was releasing them for leasing?

I asked my dealer about that as well. He said he could not give me any info on what the residual value or payments would be, but that leasing would be an option. I have made the decision to buy though.

I asked my dealer about that as well. He said he could not give me any info on what the residual value or payments would be, but that leasing would be an option. I have made the decision to buy though.

The guy I talked with today said their first G8 was going to be leased, but didn't know the details - he did think that the lease wouldn't be real favorable, so he thought the car would be given up.

Dave, I'm not following your logic here. Would you care to explain?

Chip

I see where he's at. The L76 is already federalized in this chassis. Add the FE3 suspension, catback and CAI, plus the requisite styling both exterior and interior and that is the only way to come in at a price differentil of near $3,000. Instead drop a LS3 under the hood and you are talking at least $5k just for the engine, IMHO.

In the real world there is no way that a L76 Plus $5K = LS3

Comparable to a L76
http://www.sdparts.com/catalog/crateengines/GMPerformanceParts60L345hpLQ9Engine.aspx

Comparable to a LS3
http://www.sdparts.com/catalog/crateengines/GMPerformanceParts62L403hpL92Engine.aspx
http://www.sdparts.com/catalog/crateengines/GMPerformanceParts57L405hpLS6Engine.aspx

I see where he's at. The L76 is already federalized in this chassis. Add the FE3 suspension, catback and CAI, plus the requisite styling both exterior and interior and that is the only way to come in at a price differentil of near $3,000. Instead drop a LS3 under the hood and you are talking at least $5k just for the engine, IMHO.

How do we know they haven't already federalized the engine? It could already be done.

If you can go from a V6 to a V8 for 2K (base vs GT), you can damn sure bet your money you can go from an L76 to a LS3 for the same or even less.

You cannot compare crate engine prices to get an apples to apples comparison of what it will cost to change them out in a car.

I see where he's at. The L76 is already federalized in this chassis. Add the FE3 suspension, catback and CAI, plus the requisite styling both exterior and interior and that is the only way to come in at a price differentil of near $3,000. Instead drop a LS3 under the hood and you are talking at least $5k just for the engine, IMHO.

While I can see the point, I most respectfully disagree.

While the LS3 is ( as far as we know right now ) not “federalized in this chassis”, the move in the Corvette from LS2 to LS3 prompted no increase in price – aside from the expected, annual opportunity to ‘bump’ MSRP.

I cannot imagine a G8 GXP that does not include a substantial bump in HP \ TQ over the GT. And the LS3 ( already developed & now proven ‘in the field’ ) would seem to offer a viable upgrade.

And I just don’t think that production costs for the LS3 ( vs. the L76 ) would be significantly higher. Not $5K, in any case.

“If you can go from a V6 to a V8 for 2K (base vs GT), you can damn sure bet your money you can go from an L76 to a LS3 for the same or even less.” – r1owner

Exactly . . .

I had hoped we’d see the specs published this weekend.
( sigh )
Everything seems to be taking ( months ) longer than I’d expected.
- Ray
Unsure of GT vs GXP until I know more . . .

Crate motor prices

LS7 = 13K
LS3 = 6.2K
LS6 = 5.6K
LS2 = 5.1K
LS1 = 4.9K

Dave, I'm not following your logic here. Would you care to explain?

Chip

If GXP hits the market as early as this summer then all the powertrain design, certification, testing, support infrastructure has to be nearly complete. For one thing, I think that's too aggressive for Holden to pull off on a car that hasn't even hit the streets yet with the L76. I would also think GM/Holden would want to gauge success of the G8 GT before the embarking on a third (LS3) engine option on a low volume car like the G8. (all the overhead associated with launching a new engine option is very expensive).

Secondly, I think it would be headline news in all the forums by now if LS3 was committed for the '09 MY G8 GXP. (when the GP went GXP w/LS4 it was common knowledge at least a year in advance before it hit the streets.)

However it's all just speculation on my part. I have no inside knowledge on what the G8 powertrain roadmap looks like. LS3 could be on the future roadmap, but I just don't think it's likely to come this early.

I am leaning more towards the other price that was quoted. 39.5K for a loaded GXP. That would keep it more in line with the prices of the SRT8's.

The Australians are predicting they will have the LS3's in the HSV's by the first week of May.

I also believe it would be easierto boost the Hp out of the L76 by better exhaust, CAI and different tune then put the LS3 into the car. I think they can get 400Hp without having to change the line over to accomodate a different motor. They will also be able to offer the GXP for an additional cost of 3K or so.

I know its not an exact camprison but the G6 GXP is less then 4K more then the GT. It has the same motor (I believe) and offers 33 more HP for this price. 361 plus 33 would put us at 394, so 400 HP for around 3K for the G8 GXP seems reasonable.

I know its not an exact camprison but the G6 GXP is less then 4K more then the GT. It has the same motor (I believe) and offers 33 more HP for this price. 361 plus 33 would put us at 394, so 400 HP for around 3K for the G8 GXP seems reasonable.

The G6 GT has a 3.5L engine and the GXP has the 3.6L DOHC engine.
If GM did bump the output of the L76 engine it wouldn't be an L76 anymore. Once they change anything on the engine it gets a different option code and part number.
-Greg

And the GTP package on the G6 was like $2,200 for the bigger engine, dual exhaust, etc.

The G8 is a nice car but the size is comparable to a Cadillac Deville.

G8 is an inch shorter wheelbase and is eleven inches shorter overall leanght than Cadillac Deville

The G8 needs to be around 3 inches shorter but can't have everything.

Otherwise might be getting one in 2-4 months.

Its not inconceivable that the LS3 is put in the GXP for a few thousand more. I mean, the L76 already has quite a few LS3 parts on it. Heads/Intake to name 2.

I was not going by crate prices, just trying to compare where GM is in their current top of the heap vehicles. ZO6, CTS-V. When someone quoted a dealer suggesting that a full-package GXP upgrade might cost only about $2500, it just doesn't make sense to me. If they can do it, great, and price jump from base to GT is nominal, but GXP will have a more expensive sport package included, plus the included premium content will be more.

Would it make any sense, since GM already went out on a limb with the L76, to adapt AFM to the LS3 before installation in the G8?

(and GM does use same designator for some engines that vary in execution, L76 is a prime example)

Maybe the G8 GXP will be like the CTS-V, manual only with the LS3. The CTS-V is getting an auto tho isn't it?

I was not going by crate prices, just trying to compare where GM is in their current top of the heap vehicles. ZO6, CTS-V. When someone quoted a dealer suggesting that a full-package GXP upgrade might cost only about $2500, it just doesn't make sense to me. If they can do it, great, and price jump from base to GT is nominal, but GXP will have a more expensive sport package included, plus the included premium content will be more.

Would it make any sense, since GM already went out on a limb with the L76, to adapt AFM to the LS3 before installation in the G8?

(and GM does use same designator for some engines that vary in execution, L76 is a prime example)

Didn't say that the whole GXP package should only cost the difference between the two engines but it makes no sense (to me anyway) that the car would be a full 10K higher, $4,500-$7K yes, 10K NO, IMHO.

3K engine/tranny upgrade, 2K suspension, 1K bodywork/wheels (if any), 1K interior/gauges upgrade.

I can relate to 3K for engine/tranny upgrades. From other posts you can get a CAT exhuaust, CAI and re-tune for about 1500 bucks, predicted to give you 400HP. Unless a LS3 can give you 450Hp plus, it won't be worth an extra 5K.

Things should be comparable to the Solstice GXP price gap, about $6500 more than the GT?

That's crack smoking territory man! 6500 bucks! GM won't be moving many if that's the cost.

There is $5800 between a Dodge Charger R/T and a SRT8.

If it came with the right stuff I would pay $7k more, but I wouldn't like doing it. More motor is nice, but that is the easy part. A properly setup sport suspension and chassis package, a good set of brakes, wheels and tires, sport seats, maybe better materials inside, a GXP isn't just a motor swap it's a whole package.

Over 40k and Pontiac is pricing itself out of its core market. 37ish would be fair.

I see where he's at. The L76 is already federalized in this chassis. Add the FE3 suspension, catback and CAI, plus the requisite styling both exterior and interior and that is the only way to come in at a price differentil of near $3,000. Instead drop a LS3 under the hood and you are talking at least $5k just for the engine, IMHO.

I won't argue the cost because I have no basis for what all of the GXP package changes will be. However, Dave was implying that there wasn't enough time. I believe the GXP package has been a planned part of the program all along. Any change (pumped up L76 or LS3) is going to require a recert. And I am still leaning toward LS3.

Chip

If GXP hits the market as early as this summer then all the powertrain design, certification, testing, support infrastructure has to be nearly complete. For one thing, I think that's too aggressive for Holden to pull off on a car that hasn't even hit the streets yet with the L76. I would also think GM/Holden would want to gauge success of the G8 GT before the embarking on a third (LS3) engine option on a low volume car like the G8. (all the overhead associated with launching a new engine option is very expensive).

Secondly, I think it would be headline news in all the forums by now if LS3 was committed for the '09 MY G8 GXP. (when the GP went GXP w/LS4 it was common knowledge at least a year in advance before it hit the streets.)

However it's all just speculation on my part. I have no inside knowledge on what the G8 powertrain roadmap looks like. LS3 could be on the future roadmap, but I just don't think it's likely to come this early.

Thanks, Dave. I disagree, but certainly appreciate you taking the time to explain your thoughts. I believe that the GXP has been a planned part of the G8 from day one. I also think this is a full on commitment by Pontiac. Therefore, there was no testing of the waters except for the success of a manual tranny.

With all of the forums that I follow (and I suspect most everyone else here does too), the LS3 seems to have been all but officially confirmed. I remember certain members with inside connections hinting about the GXP only a very short time after the original G8 announcement.

Anyway, LS3s are going in Holdens so it doesn't seem a far stretch for a G8 model to receive one. It would only require certification.

I am just like you in that I have no insider info, only what I read.

Chip

With all this GXP with L76 vs. LS3 talk, who is to say that GM has not been testing the GXP in a GT mule? - While outsiders are just admiring it to be another GT run... :stickpoke:

I wouldn't be surprised if the GXP shows up with a LS3. People are gathering pricing based on retail sale as opposed to LS3's surplus that may have been sitting on a shelf waiting for such a time as this. - Just thinking here....

A prime example of engine upgrade was an example the SP showed me. A G6 fully loaded vs. a G6 GXP (with an upgraded engine) had a difference of $3000. The GXP package was completely different than that of the G6; hood, bumper, flairs, spoiler, seats, etc. Now Pontiac website shows it to be alittle more than $3000 but I think we can all agree that you can't just use off the book pricing to justify why it would cost in excess of $4000.

Here is an interesting post regarding LS3:

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=861321

Maybe someone with Dealerworld access can confirm?

Chip

Here is an interesting post regarding LS3:

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=861321

Maybe someone with Dealerworld access can confirm?

Chip

Yes, please someone with Dealerworld access confirm. And if so, then we can start speculating pricing. Wait, aren't we doing that already? :D

Yes, please someone with Dealerworld access confirm. And if so, then we can start speculating pricing. Wait, aren't we doing that already? :D

No, then we can speculate more accurately...:sneaky:

Chip

How much did the Z28 go up when they went from an LT1 to an LS1 and refreshed bodywork? Anyone remember?

Oh, and that thread looks promising! :)

Not to derail the GXP talk here, but are you saying that I should be able to work with a dealer and tag a 2009 G8 GT with XM and Bluetooth sometime in the next few months for a hopeful August-ish delivery?

If this is true, why would I purchase a 2008? Because I can get it 6 months sooner?

You guys all rock!!!

Mike

Not to derail the GXP talk here, but are you saying that I should be able to work with a dealer and tag a 2009 G8 GT with XM and Bluetooth sometime in the next few months for a hopeful August-ish delivery?

If this is true, why would I purchase a 2008? Because I can get it 6 months sooner?

You guys all rock!!!

Mike

Well Im getting an '08 because I HATE the P.o.s honda I've been driving since I wrecked my '06 GTO, (5 months ago) and I don't have the patience to wait half a year, but if it's that big of a difference between 08 and 09... can you say "TRADE IN"

The following was posted on LS1TECH.com confirming the LS3 for the 09 G8 GXP. I can't wait!!

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8703957&postcount=19

That's crack smoking territory man! 6500 bucks! GM won't be moving many if that's the cost.

Well, the GT without options is what, about 29k-30k. 36k-37k for a GXP is worth it, IMHO.

Should we believe Dealerworld saying the GXP gets the LS3? I think we can. Loaded for 39.5K and the LS3, I want one.

^ One more piece of the puzzle solved. Now we'll have to wait on actual hp rating (it may not be same as 'vette, 430, but could be) and EPA rating. The G8 weighs about 800# more than a Corvette so it is impossible to be as fast as or as economical as. (4.3, 0-60, 15/25 A6, 15/26 M6) Or is it? 69hp, maybe 100# extra weight from phony plastic styling cues; if the GT can truly achieve 5.3 0-60 then a pure LS3 should be way less than 5 without breathing very hard - and if balance is the key to traction, then there could be some really pissed off 'vettes pondering life at the stoplights. (#1 reason it might get de-tuned) Hmmm, the C6 with LS3 gets BETTER mpg with M6, maybe they'll avoid the GGT that the GTO was hit with - or shudder to think it will be on the A6. Until the dealers give up a little more info we are pretty certain that an auto trans will be available on the GXP. It would be a marketing fiasco if it wasn't. AFM could easily be included with the LS3/A6 combo but as a low volume unit they may not bother.

The G8 is a nice car but the size is comparable to a Cadillac Deville.

G8 is an inch shorter wheelbase and is eleven inches shorter overall leanght than Cadillac Deville

The G8 needs to be around 3 inches shorter but can't have everything.

Otherwise might be getting one in 2-4 months.

It is shorter than my Grand Prix. My GP GT is 198.3 inches.

^ One more piece of the puzzle solved. Now we'll have to wait on actual hp rating (it may not be same as 'vette, 430, but could be) and EPA rating. The G8 weighs about 800# more than a Corvette so it is impossible to be as fast as or as economical as. (4.3, 0-60, 15/25 A6, 15/26 M6) Or is it? 69hp, maybe 100# extra weight from phony plastic styling cues; if the GT can truly achieve 5.3 0-60 then a pure LS3 should be way less than 5 without breathing very hard - and if balance is the key to traction, then there could be some really pissed off 'vettes pondering life at the stoplights. (#1 reason it might get de-tuned) Hmmm, the C6 with LS3 gets BETTER mpg with M6, maybe they'll avoid the GGT that the GTO was hit with - or shudder to think it will be on the A6. Until the dealers give up a little more info we are pretty certain that an auto trans will be available on the GXP. It would be a marketing fiasco if it wasn't. AFM could easily be included with the LS3/A6 combo but as a low volume unit they may not bother.


Don't forget the GGT was ONLY on the A4 GTO's the M6 didn't have it.

It is shorter than my Grand Prix. My GP GT is 198.3 inches.

But a foot wider! (well, only a couple inches, but those couple inches mean re-learning where the corners have been pushed to)

But a foot wider! (well, only a couple inches, but those couple inches mean re-learning where the corners have been pushed to)

Yes this is a problem. I have a one car garage and now I only have inches on the width getting in. The GTO had folding mirrors. The GP GT does not. I wonder if the G8 has folding mirrors?

Yes: Mirrors, outside power-adjustable, remote, body-color, manual-folding

achieftain, are you the same as the achieftain on the solsticeforum.com?

If so, are you thinking of trading in the sol?

achieftain, are you the same as the achieftain on the solsticeforum.com?

If so, are you thinking of trading in the sol?

Yes, one and the same (and chiefpontiac many other places)

Practicality has kept me Sol-less, despite knowing more about that car than any normal person should. :eek2: One is still on the horizon. Possibly even the targa/coupe. But the trade-in for the G8 will be our family car, 2003 Grand Prix GTP LImited Edition. (in my sig over there)

Ok, dealerworld locator shows a bunch of good stuff!!!:)
Both a 6-speed manual and auto are available. Gear choices in the options are 3.70 and 3.27. I'm going to guess about ~425hp to compete with the srt8's. I can't wait!!

Ok, dealerworld locator shows a bunch of good stuff!!!:)
Both a 6-speed manual and auto are available. Gear choices in the options are 3.70 and 3.27. I'm going to guess about ~425hp to compete with the srt8's. I can't wait!!

What other "good stuff"???
Wheel & tire size(s)?
Please?
Thanks,
- Ray
Thinking 3.70 is a steeeeep gear...

Is the 3.70 for the manual only? Or can you get any gear with any trans?

Anyone know how long it took for the GXP version to appear on the Solstice once introduced? I'm thinking we might be on the same time line with the G8 GXP.

Im wanting late summer delievery on my G8, may have to get the 09 GT, but want the GXP:yumyum: damnit!

Is the 3.70 for the manual only? Or can you get any gear with any trans?

yes, 3.70 is for the manual. the auto gets 3.27

yes, 3.70 is for the manual. the auto gets 3.27

Cool

What other "good stuff"???
Wheel & tire size(s)?
Please?
Thanks,
- Ray
Thinking 3.70 is a steeeeep gear...

Wheels are 19" 5-spoke aluminum
Tire choices: QA4 245/40/R19-94w All season
QCZ 245/40/R19-94w Summer

As mentioned, the 3.70 looks like it's for the manual, and 3.27 for the A6.

There's also a code "N10-Exhaust,Dual Outlet,Stainless steel" in the options.

Wheels are 19" 5-spoke aluminum
Tire choices: QA4 245/40/R19-94w All season
QCZ 245/40/R19-94w Summer


.

Odd.
The G8 GT has 245/40x19s...

functional hood scoops would be nice

Odd.
The G8 GT has 245/40x19s...

Agreed. Doesn't make sense why there aren't wider tires to help with the extra power....

No surprise about the LS3 being the GXP engine. It makes the most economical sense. When the '05 'Vette got the LS2, the GTO recieved it also. Part of the decision to try to get it to sell better. Plus, the only engines more powerful than the L76 are the truck model L92 & the LS3. The L92 has left alot of truck buyers wanting it, so that would also leave enough capacity for the LS3. And since I'm a power freak, I can wait for the GXP.

Agreed. Doesn't make sense why there aren't wider tires to help with the extra power....

What's the largest combo tire/wheel that you can fit on these mean machines?

Agreed. Doesn't make sense why there aren't wider tires to help with the extra power....

Looks like GM doesn't want to run the risk of any rubbing with body panels or suspension parts. :nuts:

It looks like the GXP manual will have no problem beating up on a SRT8. If both GXP's had the same rear end the auto might have beat it in the quarter. It looks like the manual will be king.

What's the largest combo tire/wheel that you can fit on these mean machines?

HSV GTS (shares chassis with the G8) runs P275/30/20. So, it would be safe to bet we could get either P275/40/18 (C5 Corvette size) or P275/35/19 (C6 Corvette size) rear tires.

http://www.g8board.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=381&stc=1&d=1203012038

What's the largest combo tire/wheel that you can fit on these mean machines?

Oz has at least 275 on the rear.

Thanks Guys, I also found this list by another member also

19x8 with 245/40R19
19x9.5 with 275/35R19
20x8 with 245/35R20
20x9.5 with 275/30 R20.
front 48mm offset
rear 57mm offset

Wonder if 315s will fit up under there, sure would look nice

It looks like the GXP manual will have no problem beating up on a SRT8. If both GXP's had the same rear end the auto might have beat it in the quarter. It looks like the manual will be king.

Quite possibly, but a 3.27 in an A6 is pretty aggressive. Guy's are putting 3.15's in their A6 LS3 corvettes with great results. I think I read somewhere that 3.15's in the A6 was about the equivelent of ~4.30's in an A4.:eek2: Either way, the GXP will be great in either the manual or auto. If my wife wasn't every going to drive it, I'd choose the manual....

Wheels are 19" 5-spoke aluminum
Tire choices: QA4 245/40/R19-94w All season
QCZ 245/40/R19-94w Summer

As mentioned, the 3.70 looks like it's for the manual, and 3.27 for the A6.

There's also a code "N10-Exhaust,Dual Outlet,Stainless steel" in the options.

Switchable exhaust like the Vette perhaps?

Why else would they have an exhaust as an option?

Great news!!!

Any production dates??

Quite possibly, but a 3.27 in an A6 is pretty aggressive. Guy's are putting 3.15's in their A6 LS3 corvettes with great results. I think I read somewhere that 3.15's in the A6 was about the equivelent of ~4.30's in an A4.:eek2: Either way, the GXP will be great in either the manual or auto. If my wife wasn't every going to drive it, I'd choose the manual....


[ All statements in this post pertain ** ONLY ** to A6 version of GXP. ]

The current Corvette has rear tires very similar in revs per mile to the G8 GT:
G8 GT 245/40x19 = 755 revs/mile
C6 285/35x19 = 751 revs/mile

The Corvette with A6 6L80 trans. ( internal ratios = same as the G8 GT ) has a standard final drive ratio of 2.56:1. There is now a ‘performance’ final drive ratio, optionally available ( stand alone or part of the Z51 option pkg ) – and that ratio is 2.73:1.

3.27 = roughly 20% steeper = that much more ‘mechanical advantage’ than the Corvette’s optional final drive.
AND ( given the interest in EPA ratings and real world MPG ) roughly 20% higher RPM at any given highway cruising speed.
3.27 = roughly 12% steeper than the G8 GT’s 2.92 final drive.
And 12% higher RPM, again.

With the G8 GT EPA rating at 24 MPG, my ** GUESS ** is that an LS3, with this gearing in a G8 GXP will lose 3 or 4 MPG in the highway portion. Meaning 20 or 21. Hmmmmmm . . .

But with an LS3 and a 3.27 I do expect acceleration to be ( um )
better than just OK.

- Ray
Finding this all VERY fascinating . . .

Switchable exhaust like the Vette perhaps?

Why else would they have an exhaust as an option?

More likely that it's just different mufflers for a more aggresive tone. Much like the Grand Prix GXP factory rumble.

GM RPO codes:
http://www.marshu.com/images-website/car/gm-firebird-camaro-rpo-car-door-manufacturer-codes/gm-firebird-camaro-GM-RPO-car-codes.pdf

More likely that it's just different mufflers for a more aggresive tone. Much like the Grand Prix GXP factory rumble.

That would be fine with me.
I have heard & ridden in LS2 Corvettes with the Corsa exhaust.
I prefer a deeper tone.
My 2005 Grand Prix GXP was near ideal, in that respect...
- Ray
Custom exhaust = first mod on MY Corvette...

GM RPO codes:
http://www.marshu.com/images-website/car/gm-firebird-camaro-rpo-car-door-manufacturer-codes/gm-firebird-camaro-GM-RPO-car-codes.pdf

Not sure what this is. LS3 is a 3 cylinder turbo suzuki?

I'd like to know if they're going to do any body/interior modifications.

Did I see 39 for a loaded gxp? That sounds about right. And I'm more than willing to pay it.

Is this really confirmed? Just cuz some guy posted it halfway through a post on ls1tech?

Is it reasonable that this car really hits dealers in late summer?

I'd like to know if they're going to do any body/interior modifications.

Did I see 39 for a loaded gxp? That sounds about right. And I'm more than willing to pay it.

Is this really confirmed? Just cuz some guy posted it halfway through a post on ls1tech?

Is it reasonable that this car really hits dealers in late summer?

I haven't seen any price figures for the gxp. Yes this is confirmed, I can access dealerworld, and it is indeed on there. If it's in GM Dealerworld, it's accurate. :) And if it's already in Dealerworld, than I would think we could see them here by late summer/early fall.

I haven't seen any price figures for the gxp. Yes this is confirmed, I can access dealerworld, and it is indeed on there. If it's in GM Dealerworld, it's accurate. :) And if it's already in Dealerworld, than I would think we could see them here by late summer/early fall.

Awesome. I'm not familiar with dealerworld. Do you get a list of options/differences from the gt? pics?

Sorry for all the questions, but everything I wanted the g8 gxp to be has come to fruition. Well, besides the hud and/or navigation, but we can't always get everything we want, right?

Awesome. I'm not familiar with dealerworld. Do you get a list of options/differences from the gt? pics?

Sorry for all the questions, but everything I wanted the g8 gxp to be has come to fruition. Well, besides the hud and/or navigation, but we can't always get everything we want, right?

For some reason, I can't spec out a GXP. The only way I've been able to see the options is through locator in dealerworld. Once the information is available in the vehicle configuator workbench, then I'll be able to see everything-price, complete options, etc. I'm also hoping for hud and HID's would be nice too. There won't be navigation from what I understand, because the screen is too low on the dash, and doesn't meet safety requirements.

Sorry to thread hijack, but is there any information on the G8 ST (Ute) for '09??? Any hints would greatly be appreciated. THANKS.

Not sure what this is. LS3 is a 3 cylinder turbo suzuki?

Yeah, the more I look at that, the more confused I get. They have more listed below also, maybe not the best link?:o

Sorry to thread hijack, but is there any information on the G8 ST (Ute) for '09??? Any hints would greatly be appreciated. THANKS.

Merry ChriSTmas, from Holden
~January 26, 2008~

http://www.cheersandgears.com/

Odd.
The G8 GT has 245/40x19s...

only with sport package, and no all-seasons yet

...3.27 = roughly 20% steeper than the Corvette’s final drive.
...3.27 = roughly 12% steeper than the G8 GT’s final drive...

That's what I like to hear, cant wait to start melting the tyres!

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Kumho&tireModel=Ecsta+SPT&vehicleSearch=true&partnum=44YR9KU31&fromCompare1=yes&speed_rating=V&speed_rating=Z&speed_rating=W&speed_rating=Y&speed_rating=(Y)&minSpeedRating=S

Looks like the Kumho Ecsta SPT is the best rubber for the buck.

finally this thread produces! Yahooo for the LS3! Now let's get a date :)

Please start a thread of your own addressing this question.

Why bother, it's a simple yes or no, and if it's yes then I'll start one. Relax a bit, jeesh.

Merry ChriSTmas, from Holden
~January 26, 2008~

http://www.cheersandgears.com/

Thanks for the thought, but this isn't the info I'm looking for. I am wanting to know if Dealerworld site has any information on the G8 ST (Ute) for '09 yet. As others have said, if it's on GM's Dealerworld site it's a done deal. Other sites can claim whatever they want but until it is substantiated by internal GM sources then it's still rumor. But again I thank you for the link even though I've already seen it. :)

.... I am wanting to know if Dealerworld site has any information on the G8 ST (Ute) for '09 yet. As others have said, if it's on GM's Dealerworld site it's a done deal. Other sites can claim whatever they want but until it is substantiated by internal GM sources then it's still rumor. But again I thank you for the link even though I've already seen it. :)

Until GM actually introduces such an animal don't expect to see any sign of it on dealerworld or any other GM site. Any AutoShow sightings yet? (New York is coming, and what's being shown is production ready, not imminent) It is way too early. The GXP would not even be up if it were not going to arrive mid-year at the latest.

:bubbrubb: GXP, I'm lovin this !!!

Why bother, it's a simple yes or no, and if it's yes then I'll start one. Relax a bit, jeesh.



Thanks for the thought, but this isn't the info I'm looking for. I am wanting to know if Dealerworld site has any information on the G8 ST (Ute) for '09 yet. As others have said, if it's on GM's Dealerworld site it's a done deal. Other sites can claim whatever they want but until it is substantiated by internal GM sources then it's still rumor. But again I thank you for the link even though I've already seen it. :)

I just checked Dealerworld, there's nothing on the ST that I can see. :(

Originally Posted by rayainsw View Post
"Odd.
The G8 GT has 245/40x19s...
only with sport package, and no all-seasons yet"

only with sport package, and no all-seasons yet

True - I had just expected ( at least a nominally )
wider rear tire on the GXP...

I had just expected ( at least a nominally )
wider rear tire on the GXP...

Maybe a matter of finding a tire manufacturer that can produce a proper tire for a reasonable price, in the volumes required?:dunno:

I just checked Dealerworld, there's nothing on the ST that I can see.

Thank you very much for checking. This kinda reinforces my guess that the ST won't be here until 2009 as a 2010 model. Again thanks for checking. :D

This is great news !!!!! Now lets get some hard prices set.

So, information trickling out very recently indicates:
The GXP will have the LS3.
HP unknown – but seems likely over 400.
M6 and A6 trans. available.
Same size tires as the GT.

What if . . .

The GXP package is basically \ primarily the engine.
All GXPs ‘include’ the GT’s Sport Pkg ( PDX ) and Premium Pkg ( PCQ ) equipment.
And the only ‘option’ ( besides a choice of colors, I’ll assume ) is a sunroof.
[ And possibly the 3.27 ( A6 ) or 3.70 ( M6 ) final drive ratios. ]
The tires are the same size, but possibly something like Michelin Pilot Sport PS2s?
The suspension, if different, will include no more than:
1 - Minimal lowering & stiffening of the springs.
2 - Dampers re-tuned
= slightly ‘stiffer’ and \ or with an aftermarket Brand ( Koni or Bilstein? )
3 – And possibly larger brakes.

And perhaps an exhaust system re-tuned to allow a bit more volume & V8 ‘throb’. . . .?

What if, externally ( aside from a unique wheel design ) the GXP looks virtually identical to the GT. And the interior is essentially identical as well, appearance-wise.

No larger spoiler.
No extreme lower front valence ( like the STR8’s ).
No severe lowering nor much wider wheels & tires.

And the MSRP of the GXP package, over and above a GT w/Sport & Premium Packages is no more than $4,000 – and likely closer to $3,000. Meaning ‘base’ GXP = roughly $36K - $37K.

If these assumptions were reasonably accurate:
What would this mean to your purchase decision?

Here is my take:
[ Note: I have not yet even had the opportunity to sit in a G8,
let alone drive a GT – to judge ride, handling, etc. ]
Assuming that the 3.27 final drive is optional & not a part of the GXP package, this would be very close to my ideal G8.

Specifically, I like ‘stealth’ & ‘subtle’ in the appearance of my Sport Sedans.
I do not want ‘my’ G8 to look significantly different than any other.
I was pleased when I read that the larger spoiler was dropped from the Sport Pkg.

I’d pay more for the additional HP\TQ of the LS3.
I’d pay the additional $$s in gas to ‘feed’ the 6.2L without AFM.
But I’d prefer to keep the low RPM ( 3.27 = approx. 12% higher RPM ) at cruising speeds allowed by the 2.92 final drive in the GT.

An absolutely top notch tire like that Michelin, in the GT size ( Bridgestone Potenza RE050A’s, reportedly ) would likely be OK with me.

Other thoughts?
- Ray
Still not heard of a single G8 yet even at a Dealer . . .
Where are all those G8s hiding???

GXP is getting new struts but so far the sway bars are the same. The GXP is also getting different brake rotors.

Edit: - Rear springs are also GXP specific.

-Greg

Looks like the GXP gets a unique suspension.

Originally Posted by GigaHz
Not sure what this is. LS3 is a 3 cylinder turbo suzuki?

Yeah, the more I look at that, the more confused I get. They have more listed below also, maybe not the best link?:o

The LS3 RPO code was used back in 1987-1993 on some GEO's I think. That is why it says suzuki. That site hasn't been updated with the new engine code LS3 - 2008 - 2010 Engine, Gas 6.2L, alum, HO.

-Greg

So, information trickling out very recently indicates:
The GXP will have the LS3.
HP unknown – but seems likely over 400.
M6 and A6 trans. available.
Same size tires as the GT.

What if . . .

The GXP package is basically \ primarily the engine.
All GXPs ‘include’ the GT’s Sport Pkg ( PDX ) and Premium Pkg ( PCQ ) equipment.
And the only ‘option’ ( besides a choice of colors, I’ll assume ) is a sunroof.
[ And possibly the 3.27 ( A6 ) or 3.70 ( M6 ) final drive ratios. ]
The tires are the same size, but possibly something like Michelin Pilot Sport PS2s?
The suspension, if different, will include no more than:
1 - Minimal lowering & stiffening of the springs.
2 - Dampers re-tuned
= slightly ‘stiffer’ and \ or with an aftermarket Brand ( Koni or Bilstein? )
3 – And possibly larger brakes.

And perhaps an exhaust system re-tuned to allow a bit more volume & V8 ‘throb’. . . .?

What if, externally ( aside from a unique wheel design ) the GXP looks virtually identical to the GT. And the interior is essentially identical as well, appearance-wise.

No larger spoiler.
No extreme lower front valence ( like the STR8’s ).
No severe lowering nor much wider wheels & tires.

And the MSRP of the GXP package, over and above a GT w/Sport & Premium Packages is no more than $4,000 – and likely closer to $3,000. Meaning ‘base’ GXP = roughly $36K - $37K.

If these assumptions were reasonably accurate:
What would this mean to your purchase decision?

Here is my take:
[ Note: I have not yet even had the opportunity to sit in a G8,
let alone drive a GT – to judge ride, handling, etc. ]
Assuming that the 3.27 final drive is optional & not a part of the GXP package, this would be very close to my ideal G8.

Specifically, I like ‘stealth’ & ‘subtle’ in the appearance of my Sport Sedans.
I do not want ‘my’ G8 to look significantly different than any other.
I was pleased when I read that the larger spoiler was dropped from the Sport Pkg.

I’d pay more for the additional HP\TQ of the LS3.
I’d pay the additional $$s in gas to ‘feed’ the 6.2L without AFM.
But I’d prefer to keep the low RPM ( 3.27 = approx. 12% higher RPM ) at cruising speeds allowed by the 2.92 final drive in the GT.

An absolutely top notch tire like that Michelin, in the GT size ( Bridgestone Potenza RE050A’s, reportedly ) would likely be OK with me.

Other thoughts?
- Ray
Still not heard of a single G8 yet even at a Dealer . . .
Where are all those G8s hiding???

36-37K, I'd be 1st in line to get one.... 40K+.... I'd probably settle for a regular G8.

I agree about the spoiler... I sure hope you don't have to get the rice boy spoiler on the GXP. If so, I'll be the first to offer up a trade for a GT spoiler.

Yum, looks like the car guys at GM beat the bean counters for us and have not let us down, and are going to have the GXP for 2009.

Looks like I have found my new car, thanks GM.

Ray, re: what we know.

The tire size IS the same as the GT, but only when optioned with the sport package - something winter climate drivers might not select.

The FE3 suspension is unique to the GXP - apparently struts, springs, brake rotors. Here I am assuming larger rotors made possible by larger standard wheels - no retro mounting of 18's to a GXP. Or it could be simply going to Brembos in lieu of genuine GM.

We already know there is only one interior trim, leather. I am guessing it will be specific, not to include Recaros, but at the least GXP stitching - possibly different color combo, maybe c-f trim appliques standard-possibly a different color dash setup.

If it doesn't include a curb-catcher front valence and side panels as well as a specific hammerhead spolier, well it has no business being called a GXP. IMO, if you want stealth, buy a GT and supercharge it.

IMO, if you want stealth, buy a GT and supercharge it.
What if you want stealth AND a manual transmission? :confused: :cry:

Didn't someone here mention it might have a unique hood? One scoop instead of the GT's two?
This thread is awesome! :popcorn2:

What if you want stealth AND a manual transmission? :confused: :cry:

Yeah, what about a manual in the GT? Any word on that?

LS3...sweet...can't really say I didn't know...

As for tire size, its probably a $ savings...less testing, less inventory etc. They probably figure all you hardcore guys will just replace the factory tires anyway....

Still disappointed no Ignition...might have to pick a new color...

$36-37K as mentioned would be great...420+ hp with full warranty! :burnout:

Anyone wanna buy my GTP ;)

Sweet, this car will finally disassociate me with the younger kids now infecting the Grand Prix community. I'm probably gonna go with a Phantom Black Metallic GXP but we'll see how the other colors look. I really liked the Sprice Red Metallic that the 2006 GTO had. I also like the orange, maybe it'll make a come-back in 2010.

Yeah, what about a manual in the GT? Any word on that?

Manual offered in the MY09.

Manual offered in the MY09.

Only in the GXP not the GT.

Didn't someone here mention it might have a unique hood? One scoop instead of the GT's two?
This thread is awesome! :popcorn2:

There was a mention, but no substantiation. So until pics show up we don't even know what spoiler will be on it.

The GXP news is certainly shaping up nicely. A "base" model would work for me, especially if it starts around $36K. I'm not sure I could afford much more than that... :D

There was a mention, but no substantiation. So until pics show up we don't even know what spoiler will be on it.

Hopefuly not the big boy racer one.

So, information trickling out very recently indicates:
The GXP will have the LS3.
HP unknown – but seems likely over 400.
M6 and A6 trans. available.
Same size tires as the GT.

What if . . .
Other thoughts?
- Ray
Still not heard of a single G8 yet even at a Dealer . . .
Where are all those G8s hiding???


I like your posts and thinking.

I like to mod. I just recently entered the modding community, and although it's expensive it's a wonderful interesting hobby.

From what I hear, there is far better aftermarket support out there for the LS3. So regardless of other changes, I think the gxp is the way to go. Sure you could always supercharge/turbo the gt...

As for apperance, this is nothing new with pontiac. There is absolueley no apperance difference between the (97-03) grandprix gt and gtp. Pontiac only recently made exterior changes with cars like the g6 gxp. Personally, I wouldn't mind it if they did some badging and kept the exterior the same and allowed me to do what "I" want with it.

As for interior, I'd really like some of the 2 tone they had in the concept g8. Those would be hawt :yumyum:

http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/pontiac_sema_g8_concept_001.jpg
http://image.automotive.com/f/auto-shows/2008-pontiac-g8-debuts-at-chicago-auto-show/6222677+w700+cr1+re0+ar1/2008-pontiac-g8-interior.jpg

oh, and a hud too

Hopefuly not the big boy racer one.

Actually, I really hope they give us that spoiler !!! At least as an option. I think they look really good !!!

Actually, I really hope they give us that spoiler !!! At least as an option. I think they look really good !!!

As an option it is cool. I just don't want it as the only choice.

What in the world would you buy a 4-door vehicle and tell yourself it's a sports car?

What do you call it?

What do you call it?

A sport sedan.

Key word "sport". Whether it be a 2 or 4 door, it's still a sports car. You don't call the coupes a sports coupe. Good day.

Wikipedia quote

A sports car is an automobile designed for performance driving. Most sports cars are rear-wheel drive, have two seats, two doors, and are designed for more precise handling, acceleration, and aesthetics.

ill agree with that, when i think sports car, i think of a coupe like the corvette or evne miata solstice sky you get the point.

thats why i get pissed when people call my mustang a sports car

To me a Mustang is a muscle car.

Most Mustangs aren't muscle cars, they are pony cars. Muscle cars typically don't handle well, they are strictly for straight roads. Pony cars can turn.

The G8 GXP should be called a sports saloon, or sports sedan. I have a sports car, Honda S2000. Most of the time when people talk about sports cars, they should call them sporty, because they are close but not quite. There are too many compromises required for most people to own a proper sports car, which is probably why they are often second and third cars. Not intending to be controversial, those are just my definitions.

Yes, one and the same (and chiefpontiac many other places)

Practicality has kept me Sol-less, despite knowing more about that car than any normal person should. :eek2: One is still on the horizon. Possibly even the targa/coupe. But the trade-in for the G8 will be our family car, 2003 Grand Prix GTP LImited Edition. (in my sig over there)

I hung out there when they first came out, Solstice Lover, but never got one for the same reasons. The SO was going to drive the GP GXP and I was going to get the Sol NA then the GXP. The SO just didn't want to drive the GP, needed more room than that (for kitchen cabinets).

But, the lease is getting due on the GP GXP so I'm starting to look at the Sol again as well as this G8 ('09 version 'cause of lease) and the CTS. We'll see what happens.