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lancer
02-08-2008, 06:26 PM
found this on leftlane:

With stricter emissions regulations affecting automakers worldwide, it's no surprise that General Motors' Australian division, Holden, has been clamoring for a diesel engine option for its Commodore model range. Apparently, GM finally sees eye-to-eye with its Australian counterpart and will begin offering the Commodore range with a diesel powerplant.

Australian media outlets are reporting that the Commodore line will soon be available with the same 2.9L turbo-diesel that will be available in the Australian-spec Cadillac CTS. That V6 powerplant — which was co-developed with VM Motori in Italy — produces 250 horsepower and a stout 406 lb-ft of torque.

Group vice-president for GM Powertrain, Thomas Stephens, confirmed the report earlier today. “The V6 VMM diesel will package into the Zeta platform,” he said.

The first diesel-powered Commodores will reportedly begin rolling off of the assembly in about 18 months.

GoAuto.com is also reporting that the same engine will be fitted into the Australian-spec Hummer H3 after the initial roll out of the diesel Commodores. However, don't look for the 2.9L diesel to show up on U.S. shores.

But that doesn't mean diesel-powered GM vehicles aren't bound for the U.S. Since the Pontiac G8 — which launch in the coming months — is essentially a re-badged Holden Commodore, it would be possible to equip the G8 with the same diesel powerplant.

menace
02-09-2008, 01:07 AM
A Diesel Commodore... I gotta start savings my pennies...

chiefpontiac
02-09-2008, 08:07 AM
Trust me, off-the-shelf diesel powere is not for emissions unless you are looking for higher. It's for fuel economy. In fact without hauling around a tank of liquid fertilizer (urea) in the vehicle (Bluetec) Mercedes and VW can't meet next gen US diesel emissions protocol. Any chemist or physics major (or member of bomb squad) will tell you combining nitrogen based fertilizer and diesel fuel is not always safe. There was a time when, similar to finding a 2wd automatic Subaru you would have had extreme difficulty purchasing a gas-powered Mercedes. But, in the big picture, clean diesel with gobs of twin turbo power could again be a reality.

menace
02-10-2008, 02:31 AM
The engine they are planning to use meets Euro 5 emissions...

vod
02-10-2008, 03:47 AM
That's pretty easy to answer. Euro emissions standards are not the same as US standards. I think Euro standards are tougher on CO emissions and US standards are tougher on particulates.

Don't forget that gasoline is cheaper in the US than Europe by far and cheaper than diesel in the US as well. Kind of takes away the incentive.

That's probably why you see craploads of diesels in Europe vs almost none in the US. (for passenger cars)

Cool_Hand_Luke
02-10-2008, 07:30 PM
What mileage does a Diesel Caddy get?

I wonder what one of those "turned up" would produce HP and TQ wise?
I guess an additional 100 would be acheivable.

Mav
02-11-2008, 09:17 AM
I know for sure that a diesel hummer is headed here... Lutz spoke to my office last week (and unfortunately) they do not have plans for diesel vehicles here in the states.

bracketracer
02-11-2008, 08:42 PM
I am learning to like the possibilities of diesels in cars, especially turbo diesels. Loads of low end torque, much better gas milage, and some major performance capabilities. I wish GM would wake up and at least offer these powerplants if they already have them available.

Mav
02-12-2008, 01:32 PM
ditto.

BBBBGXP
02-13-2008, 01:14 AM
Hey don't forget dirty, noisy, stinky, and more expensive fuel while you're listing attributes!:boink:

menace
02-13-2008, 02:41 AM
Hey don't forget dirty, noisy, stinky, and more expensive fuel while you're listing attributes!:boink:

And don't forget that the engine has twice the life span...

Cool_Hand_Luke
02-13-2008, 06:21 AM
Hey don't forget dirty, noisy, stinky, and more expensive fuel while you're listing attributes!:boink:

These new diesels are nothing like you describe. They are quieter, cleaner burning especially with biodiesel, and get more bang for the buck out of a gallon of fuel.