The car is $40K loaded, including gas guzzler tax and only gets 14/20 MPG on Premium?

I'll take one. I only drive 8 miles one way to get to work. I used to drive 45 miles one way. Then it wouldn't make much sense. I think it will sell in the beginning and then taper off like the SRT8's

1. pretty much guaranteed the LS3 requires premium

2. Corvette (although 800# lighter) gets 15 city, 25 highway with A6 compared to GT at 15/24. Manual 'vette is 15/26. GTO, LS2 w/manual was 15/23 and the auto is no comparison as it was a 4-speed and all along I thought the manual GTO was the gas guzzler, not the automatic. In the 'vette, LS2 and LS3 have same mpg rating (as adjusted for new testing). UNtil we know specidic output of LS3 in GXP (may be less than 'vette but prolly not more) and whether this LS3 gets AFM, still, it's EPA rating could be as good as 15/24 or even 15/23

3. $40,000 (with or without GGT) is $7500 more than fully loaded GT, I don't think it will be that high.

4.regardless of 1,2,3, above 3500-5000 units per year (1.5-2.5 per dealer)

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12324

http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/2006-pontiac-gto-5.htm

"Manual transmission test cars averaged 17.5-18.0 mpg in mostly highway driving. No opportunity to measure with automatic transmission. A federal Gas-Guzzler Tax applies with automatics. Pontiac recommends premium-grade fuel for GTO.
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The Charger SRT8, 300C, M45 and M5 all get new 2008 rated 14/19 "combined average" I went on the high side with my estimates. Also as far as I know the LS3 doesn't not have AFM/DOD.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm

Think about how many car enthusiasts are going to want a sedan that can outrun most cars on the road! There will easily be 5000-7500 customers per year willing to lay down $35k->$40k for a really fast car that can still cart the kids around.

I'm hoping I can get a G8 GXP without any 'additional' options for about $37,500. If GM releases the GXP somewhere around this price I am signed up!

I know several guys that would love to own an M5 but could never afford one... this is about as close as we can hope to get. ESPECIALLY if GMPP supports the LS3 as well as previous LS series motors... we could easily expect a Cam/header/intake/exhaust package to bring that puppy up to 500hp easy.

I think they'll sell all they produce.

And as for gas mileage... if you have to ask you can't afford it!

~LSx

I think it really depends on the loaded price. M5 owners typically won't be as concerned about the price of their car as a potential G8 owner will be. If a customer can get a fully-loaded GT with the kick of 385 lb-ft of torque for under $33k, I doubt most will consider paying another $7k+ for 40lb-ft more. Hard-core enthusiasts might appreciate the GXP more due to upgrades other than just power and the price might be worth it to them, but I think most will be interested in the power difference and the other things will be minor.

Personally speaking, if the GXP is $40ish, I'll get the GT and put a twin-screw supercharger on it somewhere down the road. The brakes, manual transmission option, and interior upgrades will be minimal to me. The stiffer suspension and more aggressive styling will probably even be a negative.

And as for gas mileage... if you have to ask you can't afford it!

~LSx

Why do people always say that?

Just because you can afford something doesn't mean you want to spend more money than you have to. In my case it would be about $160 a month difference between a descent mpg unleaded and 20 mpg premium.

People act like we're talking about a Lambo and if you can afford the car you can surely afford the gas/insurance. It's only a 30-40K car.........

An additional $160 per month in a 401K for the next 35 years is a cool 1/2 a Mil.

1. pretty much guaranteed the LS3 requires premium

2. Corvette (although 800# lighter) gets 15 city, 25 highway with A6 compared to GT at 15/24. Manual 'vette is 15/26. GTO, LS2 w/manual was 15/23 and the auto is no comparison as it was a 4-speed and all along I thought the manual GTO was the gas guzzler, not the automatic. In the 'vette, LS2 and LS3 have same mpg rating (as adjusted for new testing). UNtil we know specidic output of LS3 in GXP (may be less than 'vette but prolly not more) and whether this LS3 gets AFM, still, it's EPA rating could be as good as 15/24 or even 15/23

3. $40,000 (with or without GGT) is $7500 more than fully loaded GT, I don't think it will be that high.

4.regardless of 1,2,3, above 3500-5000 units per year (1.5-2.5 per dealer)

I'll agree with all of the above.

Chip

Why do people always say that?

An additional $160 per month in a 401K for the next 35 years is a cool 1/2 a Mil.

In this case I say that because we are all talking about the PERFORMANCE variant of a ~$40,000 dollar car (that, after financing, will end up costing you around ~$70K) that has a 350-400hp pushrod V8 in it. It weighs ~4000lbs and is rear wheel drive... did I mention its the performance version?

EVERYTHING about this car is the OPPOSITE of frugal. If that $160 difference per month REALLY adds up for you, than something is off in your budget.

Basically the difference in fuel economy shouldn't factor into your decision if you are REALLY considering the GXP. If you are seriously concerned about the mileage, than get the V6 and be happy.


I just don't get how you can be debating the GXP if you're worried about mpg...

Anyway, that's what I mean't... if MPG is in the forefront of your mind, GXP shouldn't be.

~LSx

How much is the smile on your face worth when you mash the accelerator to the floor?!:gears:

In this case I say that because we are all talking about the PERFORMANCE variant of a ~$40,000 dollar car (that, after financing, will end up costing you around ~$70K) that has a 350-400hp pushrod V8 in it. It weighs ~4000lbs and is rear wheel drive... did I mention its the performance version?

EVERYTHING about this car is the OPPOSITE of frugal. If that $160 difference per month REALLY adds up for you, than something is off in your budget.

Basically the difference in fuel economy shouldn't factor into your decision if you are REALLY considering the GXP. If you are seriously concerned about the mileage, than get the V6 and be happy.


I just don't get how you can be debating the GXP if you're worried about mpg...

Anyway, that's what I mean't... if MPG is in the forefront of your mind, GXP shouldn't be.

~LSx

What is financing? Cash Rules!

My point is $40K for a "bang for the buck car" is a bargain. With gas consistently staying near $3.50 a gallon for premium how can someone NOT care about mpg? (At least someone that drives more than 24K a year)

The only people that don't are people that are too stupid to care about their income to debt ratio and their long term financial situation. Just because I want a sports sedan doesn't mean I want to be paying out the ass at the pump. :popcorn2:

$40k? How about $35k and leave some room to add options if you just have to have a $40k car.

What is financing? Cash Rules!

My point is $40K for a "bang for the buck car" is a bargain. With gas consistently staying near $3.50 a gallon for premium how can someone NOT care about mpg? (At least someone that drives more than 24K a year)



Fair statements all. No doubt about it, mpg is at the forefront of everyones mind... I'm just asking about trying to do things at once. If your travelling so much each year, why not have an effcient daily driver and a fun 'weekend car'? I'm not advocating anything, just wondering aloud if that makes more sense than trying to do it all in one car...?


The only people that don't are people that are too stupid to care about their income to debt ratio and their long term financial situation.

:cursin:

There's no need for name calling... its a discussion. You can look at the same numbers and see something different...

~LSx

LS9 Powered G8.... http://hsvforum.com.au/forums/showthread.php?t=3529 Why can't we have this car here?????

of a ~$40,000 dollar car (that, after financing, will end up costing you around ~$70K

HUH???? 70 grand??? What's the APR on that? Remind me NOT to bank with them.

Lets put it this way, if you've got such a bad credit record, and the loan shark charges ya 20%.... and you make a tiny down payment, and finance 40,000....It'll cost ya 28,000 to finance that loan.

Actually, do the math...

Loan Amount of 40,000

Interest = .2/12 = 0.01667 (that is the rate that applies to your monthly)

# of Months in loan term

Sorry, had to move the equation a bit to get it to work... the L is the loan amount and multiplies by the large formula below.

So its: A= L *
_____I_____
1 - ((1+I)^-72)

You go through and do the math....

A = 40,000 * 0.023952826057202542970438379744821

A = $958.11

That is the monthly payment

A * 72 = $68,984.14

That is the total amount with interest if you get a crappy interest rate.... and on top of that are stupid enough to continue signing at the x.

In contrast, someone with a wholly excellent credit record gets 2% interest.

Monthly Payment = $590.02

Total loan amount with interest = $42,481.44

The A is the amortized value, and the formula I used is tried and true. You should use it before you even go to the dealer. Calculate multiple interest rates, and judge your offer by that.

And you better believe there are a good number of morons who sign for these high rates for their auto purchases. I wonder how many of them also are involved in the "housing crisis."

Hah, not a crisis for me, I watch my money and make informed decisions.

20.606% for 72 months? I feel sorry for the poor bastard.

Hehe, basically, if your credit rate is that bad, shoot yourself... :p

Hehe, basically, if your credit rate is that bad, shoot yourself... :p

ROFL

If I was going to finance my local credit union is 4.99% up to 72 months.

20+% INSANE

20% isn't unheard of though... But for contemplating to buy a 40,000 car it would be ridiculous. I could see a teenager without a cosign getting such a rate. But I couldn't even see a 16 year old being naive enough to sign for that; let alone to be looking at a 40,000 dollar car. Arby's doesn't pay that well hehehe.

I can't see a teenager without a cosigner getting any loan, except for a $700 credit card with 25% APR.

Exactly.

But hypothetically, if a teenager could get a loan from anybody without a cosign....it would be 20% or higher hehe.

Lets put it this way, if you've got such a bad credit record, and the loan shark charges ya 20%.... and you make a tiny down payment, and finance 40,000....It'll cost ya 28,000 to finance that loan.

Actually, do the math...

Loan Amount of 40,000

Interest = .2/12 = 0.01667 (that is the rate that applies to your monthly)

# of Months in loan term

Sorry, had to move the equation a bit to get it to work... the L is the loan amount and multiplies by the large formula below.

So its: A= L *
_____I_____
1 - ((1+I)^-72)

You go through and do the math....

A = 40,000 * 0.023952826057202542970438379744821

A = $958.11

That is the monthly payment

A * 72 = $68,984.14

That is the total amount with interest if you get a crappy interest rate.... and on top of that are stupid enough to continue signing at the x.

In contrast, someone with a wholly excellent credit record gets 2% interest.

Monthly Payment = $590.02

Total loan amount with interest = $42,481.44

The A is the amortized value, and the formula I used is tried and true. You should use it before you even go to the dealer. Calculate multiple interest rates, and judge your offer by that.

And you better believe there are a good number of morons who sign for these high rates for their auto purchases. I wonder how many of them also are involved in the "housing crisis."

Hah, not a crisis for me, I watch my money and make informed decisions.

I don't know about everyone else, but I'm quite impressed with the EXTREMELY excessive significant digits in your calculation.

nahh, that was just to make sure the value was completely accurate ;)

In reality I just copied and pasted the final value from the calculator... It'll do such things in scientific mode :)

They will sell all of them but it's base on one factor...PRICE!

Dealerships that are stupid enough to price gouge their customers with higher than market price adjustment over MSRP during the first year of sales will probably have plenty sitting on their lots well into next year. I remember this happening with the GTO's. It's the dealerships who are willing to deal rather than rape their buyers that won't have any sitting on the lots.

Oh and lets no forget other factors that could potentially hurt sales like gas prices, quality issues, recalls etc..

Okay that's more than one but ya know what I mean.

As production of the GXP is likely to be severely limited, I expect that GM will sell as many as they can build.

As long as it comes in under 40k, i am in. It should already come fully loaded with the GXP package

Still no worries?

http://www.cnbc.com/id/23626739

My plans are to hopefully get the G8 or GXP and get a econobox for the run arounds. Hopefully my plans will work if the gas prices go at that ridiculous price.

I can't see a teenager without a cosigner getting any loan, except for a $700 credit card with 25% APR.

Not only that, but I bet they wouldn't be able to afford the insurance either. I wonder what it's going to cost insurance-wise for this car.

As production of the GXP is likely to be severely limited, I expect that GM will sell as many as they can build.

What makes you think it'll be sevearly limited?

AFM\DOD is just another fancy thing to go wrong with the damn car and rarely comes on any way. It's pointless. DOD in my buddies Tahoe almost never kicks in . Automatics are always heavier, slower, and waste more fuel (1-3 gals less mpg) 16\ 23 I'd bet. It's a big heavy car. That's a part of these automanu's issues, heavier is not better or safer and leads to must worse fuel economy. The same cars 10-15 years ago had 500-700 less lbs on them. What happened!!!!

In 1987 the Mustang GT was a 2800 lb light weight, now it's almost 3680 lbs. The corvette and a few other cars have not gained much at all in 10-30 years. Must be Americas (getting Fat) thing so cars need to be larger to accomodate.

GM should just stick the LS3 crate motor with the cam in it (480hp) in the GXP and be done with it.